I considered both of these cars and I'm happy that they are both on the market. I went with the MX-5 Club RF with the Brembo brakes, Recaro seats and BBS wheels (Toyota needs a package like this!). The MX-5 is lighter and I did not need the extra space of the GR86. The RTV issue with the engine was also a concern, I must admit. However, I did like the the port and direct cylinder injection of the GR86 better. I also liked the lower cost of the GR86, even fully optioned. Ultimately, the RTV concern and the Brembo/Recaro/BBS package pushed me over to the Miata. It was a tough decision though. Both are great cars!
*pretty sure* they have a package similar in Japan only though, I believe its called Race package or something (I could be wrong Its been a while since Ive seen the video so it may not be factory) it comes with bucket seats (idk the brand), brembo brakes and a roll cage. However this may not actually be something available in japan and Im remembering wrong, if it is real then we need it here too
that's why there is an aftermarket. You can add all that and would still be cheaper than the package from Mazda. And you can also sell the stock parts which would bring your cost down. But anyways the MX5 is great either way. Cant go wrong with either of these 2
@@jsamdog RTV sealant (room-temperature-vulcanizing silicone). The Subaru engines had an issue where they were putting on too much sealant. It was oozing out inside the engine and getting caught in the oil pickup, starving the engine of oil.
Agree they need optional seat with more support. Can't believe the standard seats don't have proper lumbar support. I car all about handling should indeed have recaro type seats optional.
I'd love to buy a GR86 here in Europe, too bad they stopped selling it already unlike the MX-5... I'll still battle to get an 86 though, far better for my needs.
I'll take a Mazda mx5 soft top club with the bbr package... In a world full of tech I love how analog the Miata is and on top of that Mazda did something that no other car brand has been able to do in quite some time which is make their newest generation lighter than before. From the words of the great Colin Chapman "simplify then add lightness"
@@shinn43 if you compare the mx5 to any modern sports car I would say it probably the most analog you can get, no digital gages,buttons and knobs in a very driver focused way. Now if you are going to choose the top trim of the gr86 10th anniversary they fetch upwards of 36 to 38k the same for an RF club with the bbr package. Personally I would choose the smarter buy of getting used mx5 club soft top with that package for about 30k . That's 100lbs less from the RF package which the whole point of driving a Miata is to be as light as possible and for it to be a true roadster
@@williama.ortiz-floresgil168 Don't create cases, MSRP vs MSRP, if you're considering used car prices especially in today's market it'll be a skewed comparison. While true you get an analog cluster what use is button and knobs? Both cars are similar in driving feel, barely analog. Electronic throttle body controller, electronic steering, safety systems, and etc. The only thing remotely analog that's driver centric in both these cars are handbrake and manual shifter.
This is a serious request to please deal with the RTV sealant issue in the oil pickup tube. There is no reason why this should be an ongoing issue in 2023. The RTV issue seriously brings into question the long-term reliability of the FA24 engine.
Problem is this is random. I personally own 2022 GR86 and did local and high driving not going over 4k rpm for around 6k miles. I dropped the oil pan at dealer for $900 (still not reimbursed) and pick up tube was half covered with serious amount of RTV hanging on oil pan sides. I would go with MX-5 but I have two kids so I had no choice. I would not recommend GR86 just because Toyota does not really care due to the volume of this car sold.
@@pmayo7894 How is it overblown when every brz/gr86 is made in the same exact place & in the same exact way? That hypothetically means that they will all encounter this rtv issue sooner or later…
I was just about to pull the trigger on a MX5 when the GR86/BRZ dropped. The extra room especially for subwoofer sold me on the twins. Absolutely amazing sports car! Enough power to be fun at safe speeds for the street. I get in trouble with too much power but so much more satisfying than NA Miata or even 240SX. She wants to play but communicates what’s going to happen. So you can feel confident to slide without being bitten. On mountain roads she grips & rips and I’ve stayed in front of C7 corvette with late braking & higher corner speeds. Can’t compliment this car enough my 1/2 price Porsche. Thank you Toyota/Subaru! Mazda you did a great job the ND is best looking & performing MX5 yet!
If you're in the market for a communicative sports car, you test drive both and find out which one fits best for you. I have yet to test drive a GR86, but I've driven every generation of Miata, and the current ND2 is by far the best driving experience I've ever had, and the rear seats in the BRZ / GR86 aren't usuable, unless your passengers have no legs. 2023 MX5 : 1,062 kg 2023 MX5 RF : 1,132 kg 2023 BRZ / GR86 : 1,277 kg Personally, I'd go with the Miata soft top, but I'm intreagued about the Toyobaru twins. You can't go wrong with either...unless you're shopping for something automatic, in which case, the Miata RF would be the best choice.
I crossed shopped. The Miata is a bit better but subwoofers fit in twins. Overjoyed with my 22 BRZ. It’d take a C8 to even tempt me a little maybe Lotus Emira but both cost 3x’s the amount.
One serious problem with this car that Toyota and Subaru haven’t addressed is the problem with Apple CarPlay disconnecting frequently and randomly. There isn’t a single gr86/brz without this problem and it’s really frustrating when I’m navigating thru very technical and confusing streets in nyc and the gps just disconnects leaving me out to dry
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Production numbers need to be increased as many of these are pre-sold. Port installed options can get out of hand, which increases the price to dealers. Many dealers are still marking up the car and/or forcing service/protection packages. Worse fuel economy compared to the previous generation. Where is the Brembo brakes upgrade option? With all that said, the car itself seems outstanding. I am on 4 waitlists, which the dealer told me to expect wait times of a year since I specifically want the premium trim in MT and red paint.
bought mx5 rf club cause there's no markup lol went to a toyota dealership the dealer wants 40k tax included for a base model gr86 with msrp of 29k. mazda charged me only 43k tax included for the mx5 with 41k msrp 😅😅
@@Kutties4Family to each their own. I will say though the gr86 is better out the box and better price wise for what you get. Glad we have options to choose both!
Toyota you need to build your own sports cars and stop giving your heritage away, FRS/86 and Supra should have been built in house. You had 20 years to develop your own engines and platforms. I think you need to build your own facility in Japan like Honda built for thee NSX and their sport car division, and build your own sports cars. Mazda, ford, chevy can build their own cars and make it profitable. Corvette C8 is killing the supra in the sales, and now they have Z06. I think if the right planning is done, you can get a new Supra to compete on the level of the C8 and Z06 and be built in house. There was 4000 comments on Facebook telling you this, and it should have been done the right ways. Start building your own cars and take pride in your own work. GR Corolla and Yaris a great examples of this.
Hmm let’s compare without being biased 1. Speed mx5 35 mpg on highway and top speed of 149 Toyota brz 😂 27 mpg highway 140 top speed 2. Acceleration mx5 is faster 0-60 Brz is 6.7 seconds compared to mx5 6.1 3. Reliability mx5 power train is 181 hp skyactive engine with 6 speed manual all Mazda inside a Mazda Toyota brz 228 hp flat 4 boxer engine is Subaru 6speed is an aisin transmission partially made by Toyota Results the mx5 is all mazda Gr86 is half toyota engine is crap trans is good mx5 for the win
I am waiting on my GR86. Allocation ordering really is not good. I don't even know when I will get mine and thinking of moving on to a different brand because of this. I think if you have somebody that is willing to buy the car. Then let the dealer order it.
This is cool of Toyota to do a comparison between the Miata and GR86, as I’m sure they figure those shopping for either are trying to decide between the two. I for sure was.
If you’re in the US, you didn’t order anything like you would with the BRZ. You are placed on a list for allocation to your Toyota dealer. We all wish we could just order one but the dealer gets what they get.
50% of the car is made by Toyota. Toyota even owns a good percentage of Subaru. Who do you think came up with the concept of the 86. Subaru doesn’t have a single rwd car until Toyota came along with the 86. The car wouldn’t exist without Toyota
This is not and never will be a proper match, please stop Toyota. As current ND owner and a prior 86 owner they never disappointed but both are fundamentally different.....one is a convertible, the other is not. It's as simple as that. And let's not go into the difference of chassis, stiffening, oem options and engine to top the cake. I love both but it's not a comparison I could ever make. Instead I still tip my hat off to 86 owners in respect.
I'm really disappointed in Toyota for not bringing electric first. High prices with zero returns. For ten years now I have only bought Tesla and Kia. But before me and my family was always Toyota until we realized that Toyota dont care about the customers. Now I think about it Japan altogether lost it's touch with reality
I considered both of these cars and I'm happy that they are both on the market. I went with the MX-5 Club RF with the Brembo brakes, Recaro seats and BBS wheels (Toyota needs a package like this!). The MX-5 is lighter and I did not need the extra space of the GR86. The RTV issue with the engine was also a concern, I must admit. However, I did like the the port and direct cylinder injection of the GR86 better. I also liked the lower cost of the GR86, even fully optioned. Ultimately, the RTV concern and the Brembo/Recaro/BBS package pushed me over to the Miata. It was a tough decision though. Both are great cars!
*pretty sure* they have a package similar in Japan only though, I believe its called Race package or something (I could be wrong Its been a while since Ive seen the video so it may not be factory) it comes with bucket seats (idk the brand), brembo brakes and a roll cage. However this may not actually be something available in japan and Im remembering wrong, if it is real then we need it here too
that's why there is an aftermarket. You can add all that and would still be cheaper than the package from Mazda. And you can also sell the stock parts which would bring your cost down. But anyways the MX5 is great either way. Cant go wrong with either of these 2
What does RTV mean?
@@jsamdog RTV sealant (room-temperature-vulcanizing silicone). The Subaru engines had an issue where they were putting on too much sealant. It was oozing out inside the engine and getting caught in the oil pickup, starving the engine of oil.
Agree they need optional seat with more support. Can't believe the standard seats don't have proper lumbar support. I car all about handling should indeed have recaro type seats optional.
I'd love to buy a GR86 here in Europe, too bad they stopped selling it already unlike the MX-5...
I'll still battle to get an 86 though, far better for my needs.
The GR86 is there in UK, only the BRZ isn't there.
I'll take a Mazda mx5 soft top club with the bbr package... In a world full of tech I love how analog the Miata is and on top of that Mazda did something that no other car brand has been able to do in quite some time which is make their newest generation lighter than before. From the words of the great Colin Chapman "simplify then add lightness"
Except the MX5 ND2 isn't analog in anyway and of course you know let's pick the more expensive car + $6000 more of additional mods.
@@shinn43 if you compare the mx5 to any modern sports car I would say it probably the most analog you can get, no digital gages,buttons and knobs in a very driver focused way. Now if you are going to choose the top trim of the gr86 10th anniversary they fetch upwards of 36 to 38k the same for an RF club with the bbr package. Personally I would choose the smarter buy of getting used mx5 club soft top with that package for about 30k . That's 100lbs less from the RF package which the whole point of driving a Miata is to be as light as possible and for it to be a true roadster
@@williama.ortiz-floresgil168 Don't create cases, MSRP vs MSRP, if you're considering used car prices especially in today's market it'll be a skewed comparison.
While true you get an analog cluster what use is button and knobs? Both cars are similar in driving feel, barely analog. Electronic throttle body controller, electronic steering, safety systems, and etc. The only thing remotely analog that's driver centric in both these cars are handbrake and manual shifter.
Nah i would get the GR86 than a ugly looking Miata
Sure, if you’re 5’4 and so’s your wife. And you guys don’t own anything whatsoever you’d ever have to carry in a car lol.
This is a serious request to please deal with the RTV sealant issue in the oil pickup tube. There is no reason why this should be an ongoing issue in 2023. The RTV issue seriously brings into question the long-term reliability of the FA24 engine.
Overblown
Not that serious, you won’t drive the car hard enough.
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Problem is this is random. I personally own 2022 GR86 and did local and high driving not going over 4k rpm for around 6k miles. I dropped the oil pan at dealer for $900 (still not reimbursed) and pick up tube was half covered with serious amount of RTV hanging on oil pan sides. I would go with MX-5 but I have two kids so I had no choice. I would not recommend GR86 just because Toyota does not really care due to the volume of this car sold.
@@pmayo7894
How is it overblown when every brz/gr86 is made in the same exact place & in the same exact way? That hypothetically means that they will all encounter this rtv issue sooner or later…
I've had my Gr86 for several months now, freaking love it so much. Great car!
We love hearing this! Thank you for sharing your experience with us. ❤️
Atleast I can actually get a Miata instead of having to pay a markup or struggle to find one.
I must admit these are two great choices but I would go with the GR86 here... ultimately I'd like the GR Corolla
I'd like the GR86 with the GR Corolla engine!
Same! I agree
The mx5 is if you want a convertible so I wouldn’t compre the two it’s either or
THE GR86 is STILL #1 in the us and it has a iihs top safety pick plus award
I was just about to pull the trigger on a MX5 when the GR86/BRZ dropped. The extra room especially for subwoofer sold me on the twins.
Absolutely amazing sports car! Enough power to be fun at safe speeds for the street. I get in trouble with too much power but so much more satisfying than NA Miata or even 240SX. She wants to play but communicates what’s going to happen. So you can feel confident to slide without being bitten. On mountain roads she grips & rips and I’ve stayed in front of C7 corvette with late braking & higher corner speeds. Can’t compliment this car enough my 1/2 price Porsche. Thank you Toyota/Subaru!
Mazda you did a great job the ND is best looking & performing MX5 yet!
If you're in the market for a communicative sports car, you test drive both and find out which one fits best for you.
I have yet to test drive a GR86, but I've driven every generation of Miata, and the current ND2 is by far the best driving experience I've ever had, and the rear seats in the BRZ / GR86 aren't usuable, unless your passengers have no legs.
2023 MX5 : 1,062 kg
2023 MX5 RF : 1,132 kg
2023 BRZ / GR86 : 1,277 kg
Personally, I'd go with the Miata soft top, but I'm intreagued about the Toyobaru twins. You can't go wrong with either...unless you're shopping for something automatic, in which case, the Miata RF would be the best choice.
I have an na Miata and a gr86. The driving experience is amazing for what I use as my only car (Miata is broken down at my parents house)
I crossed shopped. The Miata is a bit better but subwoofers fit in twins.
Overjoyed with my 22 BRZ. It’d take a C8 to even tempt me a little maybe Lotus Emira but both cost 3x’s the amount.
One serious problem with this car that Toyota and Subaru haven’t addressed is the problem with Apple CarPlay disconnecting frequently and randomly. There isn’t a single gr86/brz without this problem and it’s really frustrating when I’m navigating thru very technical and confusing streets in nyc and the gps just disconnects leaving me out to dry
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@@toyotausa awesome! Thanks for the response 🙏🏽
Production numbers need to be increased as many of these are pre-sold. Port installed options can get out of hand, which increases the price to dealers. Many dealers are still marking up the car and/or forcing service/protection packages. Worse fuel economy compared to the previous generation. Where is the Brembo brakes upgrade option?
With all that said, the car itself seems outstanding. I am on 4 waitlists, which the dealer told me to expect wait times of a year since I specifically want the premium trim in MT and red paint.
bought mx5 rf club cause there's no markup lol went to a toyota dealership the dealer wants 40k tax included for a base model gr86 with msrp of 29k. mazda charged me only 43k tax included for the mx5 with 41k msrp 😅😅
Should I be worried about the rtv issue on 2023 models? 4/23 Production date
Toyota GR86 any day!! Brilliant job Toyota.
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Same! Love GR86
@@toyotausa Let me get one for free
Gr86 is obviously better only car. But for pure driving the Miata mx5 is much lighter and has wishbone suspension up front
Nah GR86 is wayyy better!
@@Kutties4Family to each their own. I will say though the gr86 is better out the box and better price wise for what you get. Glad we have options to choose both!
Pro Miata: you can actually buy it in Europe 😂
This is the upcoming 2024 Toyota RSC
Toyota you need to build your own sports cars and stop giving your heritage away, FRS/86 and Supra should have been built in house. You had 20 years to develop your own engines and platforms. I think you need to build your own facility in Japan like Honda built for thee NSX and their sport car division, and build your own sports cars. Mazda, ford, chevy can build their own cars and make it profitable. Corvette C8 is killing the supra in the sales, and now they have Z06. I think if the right planning is done, you can get a new Supra to compete on the level of the C8 and Z06 and be built in house. There was 4000 comments on Facebook telling you this, and it should have been done the right ways. Start building your own cars and take pride in your own work. GR Corolla and Yaris a great examples of this.
I may be biased but I love my GR86! Great machine!
Thanks for sharing the GR86 love! ❤️
I love it as well! Miata is trash
i love the GR86 🏁
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Same love the GR86
I would go for the GR86 if there are more available than the the Miata MX-5.
Same! I would get a GR86 than a ugly miata
hello, im deaf then last 3 week got it GR86 its great!!!
its beautiful
I'd go for the GR86 (plus Subaru BRZ if so)!
Hmm let’s compare without being biased
1. Speed mx5 35 mpg on highway and top speed of 149
Toyota brz 😂 27 mpg highway 140 top speed
2. Acceleration mx5 is faster 0-60
Brz is 6.7 seconds compared to mx5 6.1
3. Reliability mx5 power train is 181 hp skyactive engine with 6 speed manual all Mazda inside a Mazda
Toyota brz 228 hp flat 4 boxer engine is Subaru 6speed is an aisin transmission partially made by Toyota
Results the mx5 is all mazda
Gr86 is half toyota engine is crap trans is good mx5 for the win
I'd rather have the GR over the Miata tbh. The Miata isn't really suited for taller drivers, and the Toyota has the better interior
I agree! GR86 is wayy better than a ugly Miata
How about we fix those bearing killing oil pressure drops in fa24 during right turns?
Only happens on track, but yes I agree 😢
On on certain tracks. Ring Taxi uses GR86 now only changed brakes & sequential gearbox They haven’t experienced any issues.
Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer
I own two brand new Toyota a 22 tundra and highlander, but the mx5 is 10x better than the 86.
How so?
Love you own a Toyota I own an Toyota Only! And i agree miata sucks
NEW GR86 🏁😍👍
Thanks for the support, Peter!
Buy both of them 👍
Nah i would buy the GR86 instead
I am waiting on my GR86. Allocation ordering really is not good. I don't even know when I will get mine and thinking of moving on to a different brand because of this. I think if you have somebody that is willing to buy the car. Then let the dealer order it.
Good luck finding the GR86 in manual.
AYE 86 GANGGG!!! #86GANGS
I am a Fan!
This is cool of Toyota to do a comparison between the Miata and GR86, as I’m sure they figure those shopping for either are trying to decide between the two. I for sure was.
If you want a fun little sports car, go MX-5; but if you need a bit of practicality, go GR 86.
you know what made me pick the BRZ?GR86 over the miata? at 6 foot 5 i can actually fit in the GR/BRZ.
Cant believe they really did this 😂
I believe analog gauges is better than digital.
I love both of these cars but highly anticipating the next Miata. This ND generation has been around since 2015 so the context of this video is lol
Still waiting for my gr that I ordered 10 months ago…
If you’re in the US, you didn’t order anything like you would with the BRZ. You are placed on a list for allocation to your Toyota dealer. We all wish we could just order one but the dealer gets what they get.
Sucks I know. Took me like 6 months to get one but I added my name to many dealers’ lists until one of them finally gave me the call.
FIX THE RTV ISSUE TOYOTA !!!
Miata is always the answer
too bad dealers make the gr86 a 40k car
Why do companies refer to cars like they’re people. Why say GR86 is vs the GR86 is?
They are people get it straight.
They try to give soulless cars soul. German cars exempt lol
Actually names shouldn't include articles in English (that includes not only human names)
they're being polite to the car
The Mazda MX-5 is available in more European countries than the GR86.
Why are yall taking a jab at mazda of all companies? You know, the company you got a partnership with
these comparisons were getting real good.
not only it's letting people know which one's better, it is also letting people to see the market better.
GR86 is for people who wants a sports car that cannot fit in a Miata. That's it.
Nah, GR86 is for anyone! Wayy better than a ugly Miata
Good thing you didn't talk any shit on the Miata
I just find it funny watching a comparison video on the Toyota channel featuring a non toyota car
50% of the car is made by Toyota. Toyota even owns a good percentage of Subaru. Who do you think came up with the concept of the 86. Subaru doesn’t have a single rwd car until Toyota came along with the 86. The car wouldn’t exist without Toyota
I love both 86 & Miata!
Hello 0:13
Why does Toyota have such a short warranty?
because is a car that has less problems. Even though warranty for cars is stupid, its all propaganda.
they dont want to pay for all of the blow engines
This is not and never will be a proper match, please stop Toyota. As current ND owner and a prior 86 owner they never disappointed but both are fundamentally different.....one is a convertible, the other is not. It's as simple as that. And let's not go into the difference of chassis, stiffening, oem options and engine to top the cake. I love both but it's not a comparison I could ever make. Instead I still tip my hat off to 86 owners in respect.
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free mx5 ads from toyota?
#Sportscars
#GR86
Celebrate the joy of driving with a subaru blowing up engine ! ....worst error of toyota ...using a subaru engine
I would rather get a GR86 than a Miata it looks ugly
Atleast Mazda is STILL MADE in Japan,Yoda=some not
all gr86 are made in gunma, japan. but yeah a lot of highlanders corollas camrys are made in us
I'm really disappointed in Toyota for not bringing electric first. High prices with zero returns. For ten years now I have only bought Tesla and Kia. But before me and my family was always Toyota until we realized that Toyota dont care about the customers. Now I think about it Japan altogether lost it's touch with reality
lol. A very entitled, and narrow mindset.
Basic design to tuning car design It seems to be going to be popular........
Both are great, it’s really just down to personal preference.
I’ve had my gr86 since June of 2022 and I’ve not had no problems yet THANK YOU TOYOTA FOR MY PAVEMENT 86 -@papijadan