Thanks for a great video. I have had my Gaggia Classic for over three years and it is a fantastic machine. I have replaced the brew gasket and the steam wand 0 ring and now I just ordered an upgrade to the shower screen. I love the fact that it is upgradable and it seems really sturdy. I would recommend it to anyone that likes to fuss and tinker a little bit.
Couple months ago, I found a very gently used 2 y.o. Gaggia Classic Pro on local Facebook for $350, complete with spring-loaded tamper, some baskets, a WDT tool, etc. If I wanted to upgrade I could easily put it back on Facebook for $350 (or close anyway). IMO, "electronic sensors and controls" are the reason a lot of machines fail after short use. The Gaggia CP does not have any of the complex "electronics" and the parts can be purchased cheaply if repair is needed.
If milk drinks are not a priority to you, virtually any espresso ‘appliance’ can serve you well…. as long as it has an unpressurized option, and you are a bit handy. All espresso is, is water forced thru coffee at particular temperature. It’s not rocket surgery. So if you can add a cheap digital thermometer and dimmer to the machine, and get a decent stepless grinder, you can enjoy really good espresso. Scan your local thrift shops, do a little research.
I do love my flair, looks great on the bench. It does require a bit of a routine every morning, however it produces GREAT espresso. Maybe an espresso machine might make it slightly quicker to get caffeinated, but definitely would take up 4x the space. Best part of the flair is how compact it is.
Now that I’ve worked out how to use the Little Guy I have a soft spot for it. Practice practice practice, so worth it! It takes too long for every day use, but it’s good for lazy Sunday mornings. I have found I get the best results using gas, low and slow.
It's fantastic trend that manufacturers are now selling sub-$1000 machines with a true 58mm portafilter. Some of these affordable units are starting to have PIDs and a 3-way solenoid which is great . Brand doesn't matter unless you want to mod/hack the thing in which case Gaggia Classic Pro or Rancillio Silvia are the ideal choices due to massive community support. They all use similar parts and will likely have the same'ish user experience save some nuanced behavior diff's like shot-timers or brew temp setting. In order of priority, I'd look for any machine with the following: 1) Metal construction - for maintainability , esp. in the brew head. 2) 58mm PF - Mandatory, including bottomless PF. 3) >= 1000W boiler - Mandatory 4) 3-way solenoid - Mandatory (avoids wet-puck "chuffing" and mess) 5) Brew Pressure Gauge - very nice to have 6) PID great to have. These features kind of keep the manufacturer "honest" as the 58mm PF machine will likely be tuned to 9 bar, not 13 or 14 bar of a pressurized PF machine -- you have to know what you're doing to pull a decent shot. If you pull multiple double-shots at a time and steam milk, look for a larger boiler to reduce recovery time and keep temps consistent (though that is a double-edged sword wrt milk steaming with a single boiler since you have to wait for the temp to drop before you can pull a shot after steaming). Also, don't forget the importance of a good grinder!--with a $1000 machine and no grinder you can't make espresso. With an $800 machine and a $200 grinder you might make great espresso. With a $300 grinder and a $700 machine you can definitely make great espresso..once you learn how to dial in your grind. I would find a machine with the above but I would sacrifice 5) and 6) in lieu of a better/great grinder. Happy shopping. [PS: if you are really on a budget, look for a used metal machine with the above characteristics]
Thanks for sharing! I'm largely in the same camp but I do think that while 58mm PF are better and easier to buy accessories for, there are still great machines at other sizes. La Pavoni levers 51mm, Picopresso 52mm, Lelit Anna 57mm. I definitely agree with the grinder. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Of course! I've got 2 old Europiccola's waiting to get a p-stat or temp-stat upgrade. They are awesome if not small. even a "double" for the 51mm basket should render a shot a bit under 30g. This may be just fine for many folks. One other bit I've noticed about smaller diameter baskets-- though the basket may be deep enough to hold a double shot's worth of coffee(~20g), it will be near impossible to pull an excellent shot - There seems to be a sweet spot for diameter-to-depth ratio of the puck to achieve good results using a standard duration shot (~20-30s).
Hello, this side of the world a Breville double boiler sells for about 2000 Canadian dollars! For less than that amount of money you can buy a nice Italian heat exchanger machine made of brass and stainless steel, from companies like Lelit, Nuova Simonelli, Quickmill, or Profitec. Just add a decent grinder and you are good to go for a decade with quality filtered water. More and more have PIDs for accurate temperature and you can froth milk at the same time.
Thanks Frederic! It's so weird that machines are priced differently around the world, obviously a market reach thing, but yes, if the BDB is that expensive it makes sense to get a HX machine and PID and have it last forever. Thanks for sharing!
@@Rydecoffeecoach Hello Ryd, thanks for your comment, and for your newest video exactly dealing with this subject. I’m currently the owner of a Lelit Elizabeth, a double boiler, which is at the service center for reparation under warranty. I’ll sell it when I’ll get it back, probably to buy a more reliable machine. And to get a better quality of service for years to come. The Pro 500 from Profitec, an HX machine, will probably be the one. Nice holidays Ryd.
my Breville Infuser was $400 USD and has lasted 5 years so far. It has PID control and pre-infusion. With all the 54mm accessories out there online, its become a fully outfitted setup! Value that cant be beat.
@Glenking2003 followed Brevilles schedule to a tee. They are great when they work but very light plastic and once they fail its bad. I would never buy a machine with an integrated grinder
Great choices. I've a Rancilio Silvia v6 AND a Gaggia Classic Pro. Bought the Gaggia Classic Pro 2nd hand as a gift for middle child for Christmas to replace her Aldi Stirling (by coincidence!)
You can't get BDB for $1K here (Canada). I went with the Gaggia Classic Pro, but it takes quite a bit of effort to operate. The temp is not very consistent between the shots and I usually run out of steam when prepping the milk. I am going to try the Gagguino mod next and see if it gets better (it should).
Yeh, I don't get why BDB is so expensive overseas. It doesn't make it worth it by the sounds. I would love to see Gaggia Dual Boiler in the future as that would be the machine of choice at this range, but maybe they'd have to follow Rancilio and put the price up to AUD$3k. The Gaggia is a great machine but definitely a steep learning curve. Let me know how you go with the mod!
As someone who drinks coffee with milk and sugar, I was looking forward to seeing you recommend the bambino for its ease of use for beginners. I don't know about the espresso quality since I'm an espresso noob and used the pressurized basket, but the auto-frothing steam wand setup in the bambino is such a pleasure to use. Are there other setups that offer the convenience of such auto-frothing? If I do upgrade the bambino in the future, I would still like to have that option instead of holding the pitcher while steaming milk. Thank you!
Yes, the Bambino is fine for milk coffees, but you won't get the consistent extractions and often you'll have to sacrifice quality for convenience. The other thing that I dislike about the appliance machines is the longevity. A Gaggia costs a little more and will last 20 years, surely Breville could find a way to make them last too. As for steam, I always find a way to balance the milk pitcher on the side of the drip tray and on my Decent Espresso machine, the milk option has a timer so you can easily set and forget (but it's not recommened by them of course!)
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thank you for that response! I definitely agree that the shot consistency is all over the place. I also purchased a used bambino, so I do not expect to be using that for a long time. The balancing of the milk pitcher sounds quite interesting haha. Might give it a try someday on another machine. Thank you again!
Love my Solis grind and infuse. I agonized over the under $1k mark dictated by my budget. I was going to go with Breville, but then was sold on my Solis which was actually cheaper than the Breville at around $500. I constantly teeter on the precipice of OCD home espresso 😆- but for now I'm pretty happy with my choice. Thanks for your much appreciated content!!
Thanks! Yeh Solis is also a Breville brand so it has a very similar tech to the safe/Breville barista Pro machines. I just hope it lasts like the Rancilio
I've bought a Silvia V2 in 2007, PID modded immediately. By now it has made at least 10.000 espressi and it's still going strong. I replaced the steam wand, some o-rings and one plastic part. Every single part of the machine is still available as spare part.
The market niche that companies like ECM are not exploiting is the person like me who likes the convenience of a semi-automatic Expresso machine like the GE CAFE Bellissimo I paid $530 for that can configure using an app on my iPhone or iPad with the commercial grade internal parts they put in prosumer level machines. I don’t need or want a machine that capable of pulling dozens of shots per day using a 1800s technology steam boiler. I just need and want to turn it on and have it ready to brew by the time the coffee is ground and portafilter placed in the group head like my GE CAFE machine BUT HAVE IT LAST AT LEAST TEN YEARS NOT TWO! What I want and am willing to pay for is machine designed around those goals with induction heated group head instead of the E61 circulating water design to get it to 200°F before brewing and similar induction heated thermo block producing brew temp water and stem on demand instead of a boiler controlled from my phone and tablet making it easy to update software and firmware over the Internet.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for reply. I watched the video and checked its web site and Heylo checks off all my functional requirements but it appears they are targeting the commercial market - shops like yours - and are still in the start-up / vapor-ware (albieit induction heated) stage without any products with prices for sale on the web site. Just intuition + inventing something and trying to pitch it to Kodak and DuPont years ago is that Heylo has likely run into patent issues on the underlying tech it can’t get around. FYI I didn’t see John the guy pitching it in your video listed as part of the team on Heylo’s web site. Perhaps he’s moved on?
@TeddyCavachon yeh it's interesting that they haven't fully launched anywhere. You could be right about running into patent issues. I would love to have one in my shop for a bit to try out. I love the idea but yeh, it's yet to be tested.
I had the Gaggia and is amazing but the only problem is that the water tank has a space at top and is not completly seal letting pass any small insect even dust. I had problem with that and i decide return it to Gaggia. I you deice to buy this machine you will need to check the water every few days, not only add.
I had a Breville Barista Express as my first semi automatic. It was a very easy machine to learn on, but a bit frustrating to get consistent results. I replaced it with a Gaggia Classic Pro. The Gaggia is a much better machine although, I suspect I might have struggled without the experience on the Breville.
Great point! So the Breville gave you the baby steps and then you leveled up with the Gaggia. So maybe the Breville can be seen as an interim machine (are you happy you spent the money on it though?)
@@Rydecoffeecoach I don't regret buying the Breville, it was a good machine to start on. I didn't have any home barista experience at the time and the Barista Express was affordable (under AU $700 at the time) and included everything needed (i.e. the grinder). If I had known a little more, I would have stretched to the Dual Boiler and Smart Grinder combo. And if I had known what I know today, I would have skipped Breville and gone to a Gaggia or Rancilio.
$1500 with a grinder? If not, that is so expensive and bordering on zero value. Considering you can get a lot of heat exchangers for a bit more and they will last forever, the BdB is quickly becoming overvalued.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for your reply. I love your videos. Very informative. I don't see it including a grinder in the website listing so leads me to believe it'll be an additional purchase. I just picked up a picopresso yesterday and so far love the form factor and starting to learn how to use properly. Need to upgrade my hand grinder tho, I've only got a $30 hand grinder currently, but takes so long to grind beans manually. Also do you recommend a specific carry case for it all to promote portability? (For picopresso, beans, (container for beans), Thermos, cup etc, for taking on bike rides or when climbing mountains etc
@@Rydecoffeecoach Sorry took all day to actually make the comment stay there. Everytime I refreshed the page, it would disappear. Turns out it didn't like that I had put the jb hifi link there. I think that's why it was refusing to post reply comment.
@@jonathanwatson173 thanks! I don't have a perfect bag yet, just a toiletries one. still looking for one so let me know if you find one. But Normcore have some durable bean containers. Pesado has a nice bean kit but out of stock atm. I also bought some plastic bean containers online, nice and cheap but without one way valves but still great for short trips. 1Zpresso have relatively cheap grinders like Q2 and they are mostly all good. I do love Comandante but much more expensive. The Picopresso is the best travel brewer I've tried.
@@Rydecoffeecoach No problem, my first thought with the idea was a toiletry type bag aswell. I'll be on the lookout for a bag, certainly. Just need something small & compact that it all fits neatly in to. I ended up picking up the Exagrind grinder and Exgram sales today to accompany the Picopresso, but that's where the upgrades are stopping for now. Still learning really on how to extract good espressos, the cremas not really there 2 much yet, but we're working on it. I will look up the normcore containers and see if there's a bean one that'll fit the purpose. Good to know the containers without valves are still good storage options. I'll check out the kit to. Will definitely let you know if I find a good case.
What tends to go wrong with a Breville dual boiler? I live in the UK where I can buy a Lelit Elizabeth or MaraX for around the same price as a Sage Dual Boiler. I was leaning toward the Sage/Breville. Why can't the Breville last 10 - 15 years if well looked after?
It has cheap parts in some tricky areas to get to. Like orings and then its costs you about as much to buy a new one as it does to service. If you can get a MaraX definitely choose that.
@MrRickytuk the Bianca is the top of the line for Lelit (and is an amazing machine) and has a lot of features that you might not need unless you're really deep diving into experimenting with coffee extractions. If you're starting out, the maraX is going to be an amazing machine for you. I did a full review on it not long ago.
Hey mate ! Love your clips! What are your thoughts on the quick mill pippa as a single boiler ? I don’t really see many reviews on that machine but the ones I have seen , they swear by it. Wondering what your input is. I know they retail over $1000 aud but found 1 for just under $1000 in mint condition! Or should I buy a Gaggia classic pro and pid it ? Thanks in advance !
This is my issue with the Brevilles (other than the BDB): they charge a lot for cheap builds. The infuser is almost $600aud and I feel it should be closer to $250 for what you get. Although the ALDI Stirling machine isn't around much anymore, the build is actually better than the infuser for half the price. I think for that money you are better off getting a Gaggia that you can sell when it's time to upgrade (the infuser you'll probably end up dumping) or spending a bit more to get the BDB ($1000aud) or a Lelit model.
I guess this means in the USA if we can get that Sterlhing (Bela Pro at Best Buy, same machine, with no Grinder) for 299 or the Gaggia Pro for 399 the only answer would be the Gaggia pro for that little a difference.
Yeh I think so. If you have any barista experience the Gaggia is fantastic. It's just a slightly longer learning curve and for newbies it can be daunting.
Absolutely love my Rancilio Silvia, which I suppose is ever so slightly over $1000 AUD, but not by much. I also love that you made sure to give that disclaimer that the Aldi machine was not the one Hoffman reviewed! Aldi must have really shit themselves when that video came out, and made sure to come out with something half decent. 😆
Hi, can you make a review on the 9barista expresso maker? I heard lots of good things about it. Can it compare to those $3000 - $6000 expresso machines ?
I watch this video can totally agree on your opinion. But there is a espresso machine that puzzle me and it's the De'Longhi Stilosa. It's a bit plastic but what I have heard it's basic, do quite good espresso and you can hack it to make the machine even greater. What is your opinion on the De'Longhi, is it worth it, will you make a review on it? Thank you for all the great RUclips videos!
Thank you! 🙌 To answer your question: yes and no. The Delonghi is a decent machine for it's price and with the small hacks of removing the panarello from the steam wand, upgrading the portafilter to non pressurised baskets, buying some 20g precision baskets and a much better 51mm tamper, you can achieve some good espresso (but also you'll need a great grinder - don't underestimate the importance). However I will add that after you've done all this and spent all the money pimping it out, it isn't going to last you very long. Hopefully at least 4 years with extended warranty (and some people will get much longer, but some might only last 2years). It's a gamble and this is the main point to my video, the cheap machines aren't designed to last (the exception being the Gaggia classic pro).
What do you think about De'Longhi Dinamica Espresso Machine that is for $484.99 now? Just for long coffee. Had KRUPS EVIDENCE ECO-DESIGN EA897B10 before that, liked it so much.
by the time your done installing things like an opv and a pid to get consistent espresso without having to temp surf, the gaggia classic will run your over 1000$
It's weird how my Sunbeam EM7000 was brilliant for 10 years (with a few maintenance periods e.g replaced steam pump and filter baskets). Yet current coffee machines are twice the price.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Ryd, would you please suggest a pure espresso shot "only" machine? I stove-boil milk, always. I have a seperate Breville burr grinder that does a good job. What am looking for, is to get all the finer notes in premium coffees. Obviously, I understand that a $10,000 machine cannot be matched. Kindly recommend the closest one [appliance]. My budget is upto A$1000. Appreciate!
Are you up for manual extraction? I would have to say the best pure espresso machine would be the Flair 58 electric. You should be able to buy one in Australia for ~$800. Others will argue that the La Pavoni levers are the best and they aren't wrong, I just prefer the Flair overall for price and style. Both are excellent though. If you don't want to be more hands on it gets tricky cos there aren't many that just do espresso without milk and none I can think of off the top of my head that are under $1k.
Idk, maybe I am weird, but I get more consistent results with my Bambino Plus than I do with my Flair. I can get a better shot with the Flair, can but I normally don't. I am not as consistent as I need to be and that seems to never improve. Kilo bag after kilo bag of coffee (expensive coffee...) I just couldn't improve the consistency of my shots. I get three good shots, a great shot, and a meh shot (for example). Three shots into the Bambino and I had my grove. A few kilos through it so far and no "bad shots". So long as I don't go ultra-light roasted. No "god shots" as I see them called on youtube. But they are consistently good. While I think I might have been happier with the GCP. My wife cannot be bothered to learn temp surfing and all that. Grind, tap, tamp and press the preprogramed button. That is what she wants before work. I bet a lot of other people have spouses who just want an espresso and not a hobby too. Which is where I think appliances shine. Half the time she still uses her nespresso machine. (Another appliance but she has had it for 10 years.) That aside, I already know there will be a next machine for me --lol. Something without auto features but with a real hot water dispenser.
Interesting! Which flair model do you have? I think the Bambino is decent but the downside is that it will fail anywhere between 3-5 years (maybe a little longer if you're lucky) but the flair will last you forever.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I bought the NEO and quickly upgraded it to essentially the signature with the bottomless portafilter and pressure gauge. I like the workflow of the semi-auto better anyway. As for longevity, yeah, I figured that going in. TBH, as I mentioned, I am already studying up on my next machine. Using the bambino to figure out my wants and needs.
Hey there! I'm assuming your water is clean? I would say the metallic taste could be either a build up of limescale in the boiler. It's probably in need of a descale or major service. 👌
like is there any thing that makes good quality Italian expresso that doesn't have to be an appliance machine? like it can be a stove top / manual... because I bought an Aeropress expresso maker but realized that it only makes expresso-like coffee not the expresso itself. I use the Starbucks Expresso Dark Roast Pre Grounded and use the Aeropress.
I have a little guy and it has been very difficult to use. It’s been sitting in my cupboard now for years as I search for something more user friendly for espresso milk based drinks.
Yeh the little guy can be challenging, I think all those stovetop espresso machines have their quirks. I would suggest the Rancilio Silvia as a great entry point but even the Lelit Anna with PID will help you massively.
Yeh unfortunately this video is a bit old now and the dual boiler has been discontinued so they are charging a fortune and you can only seem to purchase it as a bundle. 😓 disappointing that Breville killed this machine just so they could push the all-in-one series. You should be able to find refurbished or second hand dual boilers still, so look on marketplace. Just be wary of any super cheap ones as they may be dying.
I have an opportunity to purchase a La Marzocco Linea Mini. I dont want to drop the $. I was looking at the Gaggia with a quality grinder. Will the Linea make expresso that much better for home use? It sounds like a no brainer but if it’s only slightly better and is it over kill?
How much do you have to pay? I am just about to drop a video about the $6k+ machines and I talk about how the Linea Micra replaces the Linea Mini for about $2k less. So I wouldn't buy it unless you are getting it super cheap. The Gaggia is a great machine but the Mini will make better coffee more consistently but obviously the price gap is quite considerable. There are a lot of other machines in between those two that are great in their own right though.
I recently purchased a Breville sous vide, and it was an amazing upgrade from my Anova. But once you buy into the brand, you get deluged with offers to go further. Honestly the rest of their products, and especially their coffee/espresso makers are... rubbish. That's why I'm here. To see what else is out there. Right now I'm vacillating between Lelit, Profitec Go, or going old-school with a La Pavoni of Flair lever model. I mainly do Aeropress during the week, and was looking for something special for the weekend.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Milk (frothed) has never really been an option, so I never really gave it much thought. Might be nice on occasion, but not a big deal. I like rituals and process, so the lever models have that appeal.
Is it under $1k again? It went up over that mark after COVID but even just above $1k its still great value. So weird that in the US and EU etc, it's way over priced (Someone said its £1600 which is insanely high)
yeh that definitely changes the value over there. I wouldn't spend the money at that price when there are machines which will last forever around the same dollar value. Thanks for the update!
Sorry but your 100% wrong saying Breville don't deliver. I've had my Barista Express for 6 years. It has never missed a beat and I make coffee way better than 99% of cafes in my area. The is absolutely nothing wrong with Breville
Unfortunately I can't get hold of them so I can't give you my opinion. They could be ok with some of the features and I think you could get some good coffees out of it but I worry that they would die pretty quickly so make sure you try to get extended warranties on it.
It’s under 1000 Aussie pesos! The Bellman and Atomic aren’t espresso machines but mokkapot like coffee brewers. They brew at 1.3 bar instead of 9 bars.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for your reply! I’d like to stick to the standards set by SCA etc and although it’s changes over time it doesn’t include stovetop devices (but that’s my choice). I see your point too but when it comes to taste, I think there’s a distinct difference between ‘9-bar devices’ and stovetop ones hence my choice/opinion. I’m sorry if I’m being (too) pedantic. 😁
Not at all, it's a healthy debate! 😅 It certainly is interesting because you can now make slowpressos and even brew filter through your espresso machine so it begs the question, what defines it? The machine or the process? I think with SCA they don't allow pressure profiling with the WBC so that kinda does rule out the stovetop machines, but really they are going to have to change this soon, people need to EXPRESS themselves! 😂
You must be in the US, right? Those machines are about $1300 in Australia. When I did these videos I thought I was making them for Australian consumers but so many people in the US watched it so I'll have to do a new one for the US. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach My apologies, I forgot about the currency conversion. However these machines from the manufacturers have been in the market over ten years and at these price points.
@@Rydecoffeecoach no you can steam one or two drinks(which is what its meant for) but lets say you want to make three or practice latte art…..you gotta cool it down and wait another 10-15 minutes. It’s good but quirky. I am amazed no one has made a steamer under $800 that is on the same level as cheaper espresso machines that can do more than just two drinks. Also Merry Christmas my man. Hope your holiday is blessed.
@@greysuit17 yeh totally. And if you don't boil the water before you put it in the base, it takes forever to heat up. Yeh a good steamer on the side would be awesome. Hope you have a wonderful holiday too man and all the best!! 🙌🤗
Wheres the robot? The australian made Espresso maker? It eats so little heat that you dont need to preheat for even medium roasts. Even if you need to pre heat, you can always put the chamber above the kettle you are using. Thats not a lot of workflow
Interestingly I was left underwhelmed with the cafelat robot. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance but when I played on it the extractions were awful. I might have to revisit.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I never heard about any problems in extraction. One friend said it made thickest espresso he ever made in dark roast. He also owned flair and Delonghi EC. The funniest part of why he sold it is because you have to grind it very fine and he owned a few commercial grinders. The other one never said anything bad about the extraction and he only play light roasts. I guess you should check the temp, also make sure to use boiling water
@@Rydecoffeecoach You should try the robot with pressure gauge, I heard they are tougher to create pressure compared to flair. Give it a week and you will love it. The stock rok is actually a horrible maker because it eats up so much heat and the stock bayonet breaks quickly if you go above 6 bar. That is why some third party would make rok bayonet that is even cheaper and allows you to go super high bars without breaking after a few shots. But I guess you can fix that with PID and a third party bayonet.
Here in Australia the Lelit machines are just over $1k but I love them and they are definitely worth the money even if they are just over. I did include them in my $1k-3k video but also, the strange thing is, the machines vary greatly in price from country to country. No idea why!
Cheap is relevant isn't it? Would you buy a car for $300? It gets you from A to B and has 4 tyres and a steering wheel. A lot of people would consider that great too. How about when you want to drive 1000 miles across the desert? Would it be great then? If you disagree that's fine, no need to be rude about it. Just disagree, we value different things and that is ok. 👌 The main point is that you enjoy your brew and that's what I'm about: helping people enjoy their brew! 🤗
@@Rydecoffeecoach it was more the elitist entitled way you threw it in there. Just work on your delivery. It is sometimes the issue with coffee snobbery. Not everyone can afford $1000 machines but are still able to enjoy good coffee. It's not the exclusive domain of high end machines.
Sorry if I came across elitist. I know I'm privileged where I am and I try to use my privilege to help others but I definitely don't want to come across as elitist or entitled. I meant to comment on other privileged people who have the money to afford $1000+ machines who still choose $300 ones expecting them to deliver. I now see how that can be interpreted and I apologise. My goal is only ever to celebrate coffee. 👌
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Thanks for a great video. I have had my Gaggia Classic for over three years and it is a fantastic machine. I have replaced the brew gasket and the steam wand 0 ring and now I just ordered an upgrade to the shower screen. I love the fact that it is upgradable and it seems really sturdy. I would recommend it to anyone that likes to fuss and tinker a little bit.
Would you recommend someone who just want to pull a good shot with bottomless portafilters without the messing around with upgrades.
Couple months ago, I found a very gently used 2 y.o. Gaggia Classic Pro on local Facebook for $350, complete with spring-loaded tamper, some baskets, a WDT tool, etc. If I wanted to upgrade I could easily put it back on Facebook for $350 (or close anyway). IMO, "electronic sensors and controls" are the reason a lot of machines fail after short use. The Gaggia CP does not have any of the complex "electronics" and the parts can be purchased cheaply if repair is needed.
Very true!
If milk drinks are not a priority to you, virtually any espresso ‘appliance’ can serve you well…. as long as it has an unpressurized option, and you are a bit handy. All espresso is, is water forced thru coffee at particular temperature. It’s not rocket surgery. So if you can add a cheap digital thermometer and dimmer to the machine, and get a decent stepless grinder, you can enjoy really good espresso. Scan your local thrift shops, do a little research.
I do love my flair, looks great on the bench. It does require a bit of a routine every morning, however it produces GREAT espresso. Maybe an espresso machine might make it slightly quicker to get caffeinated, but definitely would take up 4x the space. Best part of the flair is how compact it is.
And that you can easily dismantle it and take it camping! 👌It gives you all the preinfusion control as well. Such a good machine
Now that I’ve worked out how to use the Little Guy I have a soft spot for it. Practice practice practice, so worth it! It takes too long for every day use, but it’s good for lazy Sunday mornings. I have found I get the best results using gas, low and slow.
It's fantastic trend that manufacturers are now selling sub-$1000 machines with a true 58mm portafilter. Some of these affordable units are starting to have PIDs and a 3-way solenoid which is great . Brand doesn't matter unless you want to mod/hack the thing in which case Gaggia Classic Pro or Rancillio Silvia are the ideal choices due to massive community support. They all use similar parts and will likely have the same'ish user experience save some nuanced behavior diff's like shot-timers or brew temp setting. In order of priority, I'd look for any machine with the following:
1) Metal construction - for maintainability , esp. in the brew head.
2) 58mm PF - Mandatory, including bottomless PF.
3) >= 1000W boiler - Mandatory
4) 3-way solenoid - Mandatory (avoids wet-puck "chuffing" and mess)
5) Brew Pressure Gauge - very nice to have
6) PID great to have.
These features kind of keep the manufacturer "honest" as the 58mm PF machine will likely be tuned to 9 bar, not 13 or 14 bar of a pressurized PF machine -- you have to know what you're doing to pull a decent shot. If you pull multiple double-shots at a time and steam milk, look for a larger boiler to reduce recovery time and keep temps consistent (though that is a double-edged sword wrt milk steaming with a single boiler since you have to wait for the temp to drop before you can pull a shot after steaming). Also, don't forget the importance of a good grinder!--with a $1000 machine and no grinder you can't make espresso. With an $800 machine and a $200 grinder you might make great espresso. With a $300 grinder and a $700 machine you can definitely make great espresso..once you learn how to dial in your grind. I would find a machine with the above but I would sacrifice 5) and 6) in lieu of a better/great grinder. Happy shopping. [PS: if you are really on a budget, look for a used metal machine with the above characteristics]
Thanks for sharing!
I'm largely in the same camp but I do think that while 58mm PF are better and easier to buy accessories for, there are still great machines at other sizes. La Pavoni levers 51mm, Picopresso 52mm, Lelit Anna 57mm.
I definitely agree with the grinder. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Of course! I've got 2 old Europiccola's waiting to get a p-stat or temp-stat upgrade. They are awesome if not small. even a "double" for the 51mm basket should render a shot a bit under 30g. This may be just fine for many folks. One other bit I've noticed about smaller diameter baskets-- though the basket may be deep enough to hold a double shot's worth of coffee(~20g), it will be near impossible to pull an excellent shot - There seems to be a sweet spot for diameter-to-depth ratio of the puck to achieve good results using a standard duration shot (~20-30s).
Hello, this side of the world a Breville double boiler sells for about 2000 Canadian dollars! For less than that amount of money you can buy a nice Italian heat exchanger machine made of brass and stainless steel, from companies like Lelit, Nuova Simonelli, Quickmill, or Profitec. Just add a decent grinder and you are good to go for a decade with quality filtered water. More and more have PIDs for accurate temperature and you can froth milk at the same time.
Thanks Frederic! It's so weird that machines are priced differently around the world, obviously a market reach thing, but yes, if the BDB is that expensive it makes sense to get a HX machine and PID and have it last forever. Thanks for sharing!
@@Rydecoffeecoach Hello Ryd, thanks for your comment, and for your newest video exactly dealing with this subject. I’m currently the owner of a Lelit Elizabeth, a double boiler, which is at the service center for reparation under warranty. I’ll sell it when I’ll get it back, probably to buy a more reliable machine. And to get a better quality of service for years to come. The Pro 500 from Profitec, an HX machine, will probably be the one. Nice holidays Ryd.
As I watched this video I was drinking my espresso drink made with my Breville Barista Pro.
😂 sorry to be so rough on Breville. I only hope your machine lasts you a long time. My experiences haven't been so lucky.
my Breville Infuser was $400 USD and has lasted 5 years so far. It has PID control and pre-infusion. With all the 54mm accessories out there online, its become a fully outfitted setup! Value that cant be beat.
Mine failed three years in. You're lucky
@@tagheuer02 what was your maintenance regimen for this machine?
@Glenking2003 followed Brevilles schedule to a tee. They are great when they work but very light plastic and once they fail its bad. I would never buy a machine with an integrated grinder
Great choices. I've a Rancilio Silvia v6 AND a Gaggia Classic Pro. Bought the Gaggia Classic Pro 2nd hand as a gift for middle child for Christmas to replace her Aldi Stirling (by coincidence!)
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I'm surprised the Profitec Go didn't make your list.
You can't get BDB for $1K here (Canada). I went with the Gaggia Classic Pro, but it takes quite a bit of effort to operate. The temp is not very consistent between the shots and I usually run out of steam when prepping the milk. I am going to try the Gagguino mod next and see if it gets better (it should).
Yeh, I don't get why BDB is so expensive overseas. It doesn't make it worth it by the sounds. I would love to see Gaggia Dual Boiler in the future as that would be the machine of choice at this range, but maybe they'd have to follow Rancilio and put the price up to AUD$3k. The Gaggia is a great machine but definitely a steep learning curve. Let me know how you go with the mod!
As someone who drinks coffee with milk and sugar, I was looking forward to seeing you recommend the bambino for its ease of use for beginners. I don't know about the espresso quality since I'm an espresso noob and used the pressurized basket, but the auto-frothing steam wand setup in the bambino is such a pleasure to use. Are there other setups that offer the convenience of such auto-frothing? If I do upgrade the bambino in the future, I would still like to have that option instead of holding the pitcher while steaming milk. Thank you!
Yes, the Bambino is fine for milk coffees, but you won't get the consistent extractions and often you'll have to sacrifice quality for convenience. The other thing that I dislike about the appliance machines is the longevity. A Gaggia costs a little more and will last 20 years, surely Breville could find a way to make them last too.
As for steam, I always find a way to balance the milk pitcher on the side of the drip tray and on my Decent Espresso machine, the milk option has a timer so you can easily set and forget (but it's not recommened by them of course!)
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thank you for that response! I definitely agree that the shot consistency is all over the place. I also purchased a used bambino, so I do not expect to be using that for a long time. The balancing of the milk pitcher sounds quite interesting haha. Might give it a try someday on another machine. Thank you again!
Great film. I will probably go with the Flair. But I might need a good whisk for those who are looking for milk based. I wonder which whisk to go for.
There's a new Nanofoamer that's great for milk.
Love my Solis grind and infuse.
I agonized over the under $1k mark dictated by my budget. I was going to go with Breville, but then was sold on my Solis which was actually cheaper than the Breville at around $500.
I constantly teeter on the precipice of OCD home espresso 😆- but for now I'm pretty happy with my choice.
Thanks for your much appreciated content!!
Thanks! Yeh Solis is also a Breville brand so it has a very similar tech to the safe/Breville barista Pro machines. I just hope it lasts like the Rancilio
@@Rydecoffeecoach - Ha! I certainly hope so as well ! But as I mentioned, if it doesn't, then it's time to head down the rabbit hole 😄
I've bought a Silvia V2 in 2007, PID modded immediately. By now it has made at least 10.000 espressi and it's still going strong. I replaced the steam wand, some o-rings and one plastic part. Every single part of the machine is still available as spare part.
Perfect! It's just a machine that goes and goes. Love it! 👌👌
The market niche that companies like ECM are not exploiting is the person like me who likes the convenience of a semi-automatic Expresso machine like the GE CAFE Bellissimo I paid $530 for that can configure using an app on my iPhone or iPad with the commercial grade internal parts they put in prosumer level machines.
I don’t need or want a machine that capable of pulling dozens of shots per day using a 1800s technology steam boiler. I just need and want to turn it on and have it ready to brew by the time the coffee is ground and portafilter placed in the group head like my GE CAFE machine BUT HAVE IT LAST AT LEAST TEN YEARS NOT TWO!
What I want and am willing to pay for is machine designed around those goals with induction heated group head instead of the E61 circulating water design to get it to 200°F before brewing and similar induction heated thermo block producing brew temp water and stem on demand instead of a boiler controlled from my phone and tablet making it easy to update software and firmware over the Internet.
You need a Heylo! They haven't released a consumer model yet but it might interest you. ruclips.net/video/EAxZakODjK8/видео.htmlsi=6yCVNbxrxYr9OUxk
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for reply. I watched the video and checked its web site and Heylo checks off all my functional requirements but it appears they are targeting the commercial market - shops like yours - and are still in the start-up / vapor-ware (albieit induction heated) stage without any products with prices for sale on the web site. Just intuition + inventing something and trying to pitch it to Kodak and DuPont years ago is that Heylo has likely run into patent issues on the underlying tech it can’t get around. FYI I didn’t see John the guy pitching it in your video listed as part of the team on Heylo’s web site. Perhaps he’s moved on?
@TeddyCavachon yeh it's interesting that they haven't fully launched anywhere. You could be right about running into patent issues. I would love to have one in my shop for a bit to try out. I love the idea but yeh, it's yet to be tested.
I had the Gaggia and is amazing but the only problem is that the water tank has a space at top and is not completly seal letting pass any small insect even dust. I had problem with that and i decide return it to Gaggia. I you deice to buy this machine you will need to check the water every few days, not only add.
Good advice! 👌
I had a Breville Barista Express as my first semi automatic. It was a very easy machine to learn on, but a bit frustrating to get consistent results. I replaced it with a Gaggia Classic Pro. The Gaggia is a much better machine although, I suspect I might have struggled without the experience on the Breville.
Great point! So the Breville gave you the baby steps and then you leveled up with the Gaggia. So maybe the Breville can be seen as an interim machine (are you happy you spent the money on it though?)
@@Rydecoffeecoach I don't regret buying the Breville, it was a good machine to start on. I didn't have any home barista experience at the time and the Barista Express was affordable (under AU $700 at the time) and included everything needed (i.e. the grinder). If I had known a little more, I would have stretched to the Dual Boiler and Smart Grinder combo. And if I had known what I know today, I would have skipped Breville and gone to a Gaggia or Rancilio.
The breville dual boiler is $1500 Aud in jbhifi atm. Saw it the other day
$1500 with a grinder? If not, that is so expensive and bordering on zero value. Considering you can get a lot of heat exchangers for a bit more and they will last forever, the BdB is quickly becoming overvalued.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for your reply. I love your videos. Very informative.
I don't see it including a grinder in the website listing so leads me to believe it'll be an additional purchase.
I just picked up a picopresso yesterday and so far love the form factor and starting to learn how to use properly.
Need to upgrade my hand grinder tho, I've only got a $30 hand grinder currently, but takes so long to grind beans manually.
Also do you recommend a specific carry case for it all to promote portability?
(For picopresso, beans, (container for beans), Thermos, cup etc, for taking on bike rides or when climbing mountains etc
@@Rydecoffeecoach Sorry took all day to actually make the comment stay there. Everytime I refreshed the page, it would disappear.
Turns out it didn't like that I had put the jb hifi link there. I think that's why it was refusing to post reply comment.
@@jonathanwatson173 thanks!
I don't have a perfect bag yet, just a toiletries one. still looking for one so let me know if you find one. But Normcore have some durable bean containers. Pesado has a nice bean kit but out of stock atm. I also bought some plastic bean containers online, nice and cheap but without one way valves but still great for short trips.
1Zpresso have relatively cheap grinders like Q2 and they are mostly all good. I do love Comandante but much more expensive.
The Picopresso is the best travel brewer I've tried.
@@Rydecoffeecoach No problem, my first thought with the idea was a toiletry type bag aswell. I'll be on the lookout for a bag, certainly.
Just need something small & compact that it all fits neatly in to.
I ended up picking up the Exagrind grinder and Exgram sales today to accompany the Picopresso, but that's where the upgrades are stopping for now.
Still learning really on how to extract good espressos, the cremas not really there 2 much yet, but we're working on it.
I will look up the normcore containers and see if there's a bean one that'll fit the purpose.
Good to know the containers without valves are still good storage options.
I'll check out the kit to.
Will definitely let you know if I find a good case.
What tends to go wrong with a Breville dual boiler? I live in the UK where I can buy a Lelit Elizabeth or MaraX for around the same price as a Sage Dual Boiler. I was leaning toward the Sage/Breville. Why can't the Breville last 10 - 15 years if well looked after?
It has cheap parts in some tricky areas to get to. Like orings and then its costs you about as much to buy a new one as it does to service. If you can get a MaraX definitely choose that.
@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks, the MaraX is a little cheaper than the BDB in the UK. The Bianca is double the price of the MaraX, is it worth it?
@MrRickytuk the Bianca is the top of the line for Lelit (and is an amazing machine) and has a lot of features that you might not need unless you're really deep diving into experimenting with coffee extractions.
If you're starting out, the maraX is going to be an amazing machine for you. I did a full review on it not long ago.
Hey mate ! Love your clips!
What are your thoughts on the quick mill pippa as a single boiler ? I don’t really see many reviews on that machine but the ones I have seen , they swear by it. Wondering what your input is. I know they retail over $1000 aud but found 1 for just under $1000 in mint condition!
Or should I buy a Gaggia classic pro and pid it ?
Thanks in advance !
What are your thoughts on the Breville Infuser?
This is my issue with the Brevilles (other than the BDB): they charge a lot for cheap builds. The infuser is almost $600aud and I feel it should be closer to $250 for what you get. Although the ALDI Stirling machine isn't around much anymore, the build is actually better than the infuser for half the price.
I think for that money you are better off getting a Gaggia that you can sell when it's time to upgrade (the infuser you'll probably end up dumping) or spending a bit more to get the BDB ($1000aud) or a Lelit model.
I guess this means in the USA if we can get that Sterlhing (Bela Pro at Best Buy, same machine, with no Grinder) for 299 or the Gaggia Pro for 399 the only answer would be the Gaggia pro for that little a difference.
Yeh I think so. If you have any barista experience the Gaggia is fantastic. It's just a slightly longer learning curve and for newbies it can be daunting.
Absolutely love my Rancilio Silvia, which I suppose is ever so slightly over $1000 AUD, but not by much. I also love that you made sure to give that disclaimer that the Aldi machine was not the one Hoffman reviewed! Aldi must have really shit themselves when that video came out, and made sure to come out with something half decent. 😆
What about the La Pavoni??? A classic!
Yes I know I love the La Pavoni levers but they all seem to be over $1k now.
Hi, can you make a review on the 9barista expresso maker? I heard lots of good things about it. Can it compare to those $3000 - $6000 expresso machines ?
I watch this video can totally agree on your opinion. But there is a espresso machine that puzzle me and it's the De'Longhi Stilosa. It's a bit plastic but what I have heard it's basic, do quite good espresso and you can hack it to make the machine even greater. What is your opinion on the De'Longhi, is it worth it, will you make a review on it?
Thank you for all the great RUclips videos!
Thank you! 🙌 To answer your question: yes and no. The Delonghi is a decent machine for it's price and with the small hacks of removing the panarello from the steam wand, upgrading the portafilter to non pressurised baskets, buying some 20g precision baskets and a much better 51mm tamper, you can achieve some good espresso (but also you'll need a great grinder - don't underestimate the importance).
However I will add that after you've done all this and spent all the money pimping it out, it isn't going to last you very long. Hopefully at least 4 years with extended warranty (and some people will get much longer, but some might only last 2years). It's a gamble and this is the main point to my video, the cheap machines aren't designed to last (the exception being the Gaggia classic pro).
What do you think about De'Longhi Dinamica Espresso Machine that is for $484.99 now? Just for long coffee. Had KRUPS EVIDENCE ECO-DESIGN EA897B10 before that, liked it so much.
by the time your done installing things like an opv and a pid to get consistent espresso without having to temp surf, the gaggia classic will run your over 1000$
It's weird how my Sunbeam EM7000 was brilliant for 10 years (with a few maintenance periods e.g replaced steam pump and filter baskets). Yet current coffee machines are twice the price.
Ryd's recos r da best, thx heaps!
You're welcome!
@@Rydecoffeecoach Ryd, would you please suggest a pure espresso shot "only" machine? I stove-boil milk, always. I have a seperate Breville burr grinder that does a good job. What am looking for, is to get all the finer notes in premium coffees. Obviously, I understand that a $10,000 machine cannot be matched. Kindly recommend the closest one [appliance]. My budget is upto A$1000. Appreciate!
Are you up for manual extraction? I would have to say the best pure espresso machine would be the Flair 58 electric. You should be able to buy one in Australia for ~$800. Others will argue that the La Pavoni levers are the best and they aren't wrong, I just prefer the Flair overall for price and style. Both are excellent though.
If you don't want to be more hands on it gets tricky cos there aren't many that just do espresso without milk and none I can think of off the top of my head that are under $1k.
What about Casabrews, they are everywhere now.
I can't get one to try out. I think the biggest issue is durability.
The BDB here in the USA is $1,695. That’s 2,461 AUD. The Gaggia is $459 here.
Yeh so bizarre how expensive they are overseas! Definitely not worth it for that price.
Idk, maybe I am weird, but I get more consistent results with my Bambino Plus than I do with my Flair. I can get a better shot with the Flair, can but I normally don't. I am not as consistent as I need to be and that seems to never improve. Kilo bag after kilo bag of coffee (expensive coffee...) I just couldn't improve the consistency of my shots. I get three good shots, a great shot, and a meh shot (for example). Three shots into the Bambino and I had my grove. A few kilos through it so far and no "bad shots". So long as I don't go ultra-light roasted. No "god shots" as I see them called on youtube. But they are consistently good.
While I think I might have been happier with the GCP. My wife cannot be bothered to learn temp surfing and all that. Grind, tap, tamp and press the preprogramed button. That is what she wants before work. I bet a lot of other people have spouses who just want an espresso and not a hobby too. Which is where I think appliances shine. Half the time she still uses her nespresso machine. (Another appliance but she has had it for 10 years.)
That aside, I already know there will be a next machine for me --lol. Something without auto features but with a real hot water dispenser.
Interesting! Which flair model do you have? I think the Bambino is decent but the downside is that it will fail anywhere between 3-5 years (maybe a little longer if you're lucky) but the flair will last you forever.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I bought the NEO and quickly upgraded it to essentially the signature with the bottomless portafilter and pressure gauge. I like the workflow of the semi-auto better anyway.
As for longevity, yeah, I figured that going in. TBH, as I mentioned, I am already studying up on my next machine. Using the bambino to figure out my wants and needs.
Love the cup. Where did you get this?
Yeh isn't it amazing! It's expensive but worth it. I drink from it every day. It's from a local potter Milly Dent.
Hi Ryd, do you have any idea why the water has metal taste coming out from the gaggia classic pro’s group head?
Hey there! I'm assuming your water is clean? I would say the metallic taste could be either a build up of limescale in the boiler. It's probably in need of a descale or major service. 👌
like is there any thing that makes good quality Italian expresso that doesn't have to be an appliance machine? like it can be a stove top / manual... because I bought an Aeropress expresso maker but realized that it only makes expresso-like coffee not the expresso itself. I use the Starbucks Expresso Dark Roast Pre Grounded and use the Aeropress.
Yes! Picopresso is an awesome brewer. The other one if you wish to do milk is the Bellman Stovetop.
You should review Idose Adora V2 PID Dual Boiler from Turkey.
I have a little guy and it has been very difficult to use. It’s been sitting in my cupboard now for years as I search for something more user friendly for espresso milk based drinks.
Yeh the little guy can be challenging, I think all those stovetop espresso machines have their quirks. I would suggest the Rancilio Silvia as a great entry point but even the Lelit Anna with PID will help you massively.
What happened to the rancilio silvia in your cover shot?
Why do I see no one talking about the la pavoni casabar? Hard to find any information on the internet about it as in reviews
I think it's just not easy to come by. We have like one supplier here and I don't think it's available in the US. It's a good little unit though.
Just wondering where you found the dual boiler for 1k? Im in aus too but i cant find it cheaper than 1700 in a grinder combo
Yeh unfortunately this video is a bit old now and the dual boiler has been discontinued so they are charging a fortune and you can only seem to purchase it as a bundle. 😓 disappointing that Breville killed this machine just so they could push the all-in-one series.
You should be able to find refurbished or second hand dual boilers still, so look on marketplace. Just be wary of any super cheap ones as they may be dying.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks for the advice! Although i may have impulse bought a gaggia classic 10 mins after i posted this comment😅
wish these machine had he links to the products
yeh totally! I've been slack on that front as I just create the vid and move on to the next! 😂
I have an opportunity to purchase a La Marzocco Linea Mini. I dont want to drop the $. I was looking at the Gaggia with a quality grinder. Will the Linea make expresso that much better for home use? It sounds like a no brainer but if it’s only slightly better and is it over kill?
How much do you have to pay? I am just about to drop a video about the $6k+ machines and I talk about how the Linea Micra replaces the Linea Mini for about $2k less. So I wouldn't buy it unless you are getting it super cheap. The Gaggia is a great machine but the Mini will make better coffee more consistently but obviously the price gap is quite considerable.
There are a lot of other machines in between those two that are great in their own right though.
No bells and whistles = less failure points. Gaggia it is!
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😅 noted!
I recently purchased a Breville sous vide, and it was an amazing upgrade from my Anova. But once you buy into the brand, you get deluged with offers to go further. Honestly the rest of their products, and especially their coffee/espresso makers are... rubbish. That's why I'm here. To see what else is out there. Right now I'm vacillating between Lelit, Profitec Go, or going old-school with a La Pavoni of Flair lever model. I mainly do Aeropress during the week, and was looking for something special for the weekend.
I do think the Flair 58 and la Pavoni levers are amazing machines for espresso only. Do you use milk at all? If not, go with them.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Milk (frothed) has never really been an option, so I never really gave it much thought. Might be nice on occasion, but not a big deal. I like rituals and process, so the lever models have that appeal.
Im so confused why doesnt he talk about the silvia, but its in the thumbnail ?
Aussie price for BDB is under 1k and its absolute best buy
Is it under $1k again? It went up over that mark after COVID but even just above $1k its still great value. So weird that in the US and EU etc, it's way over priced (Someone said its £1600 which is insanely high)
Harvey Norman $999 today 😊 yup I agree prices in other countries are insane. Anyway, great starter machine for beginners.
Breville dual broiler is now $1600 USD
yeh that definitely changes the value over there. I wouldn't spend the money at that price when there are machines which will last forever around the same dollar value. Thanks for the update!
Sorry but your 100% wrong saying Breville don't deliver. I've had my Barista Express for 6 years. It has never missed a beat and I make coffee way better than 99% of cafes in my area. The is absolutely nothing wrong with Breville
Casabrew machine. Opinion
Unfortunately I can't get hold of them so I can't give you my opinion. They could be ok with some of the features and I think you could get some good coffees out of it but I worry that they would die pretty quickly so make sure you try to get extended warranties on it.
Thank. Enjoy your information. Wish saw you before buying
It’s under 1000 Aussie pesos!
The Bellman and Atomic aren’t espresso machines but mokkapot like coffee brewers. They brew at 1.3 bar instead of 9 bars.
I see what you mean but I'd argue that while they are Stovetop devices they still produce espresso since the word means pressure.
@@Rydecoffeecoach
Thanks for your reply!
I’d like to stick to the standards set by SCA etc and although it’s changes over time it doesn’t include stovetop devices (but that’s my choice).
I see your point too but when it comes to taste, I think there’s a distinct difference between ‘9-bar devices’ and stovetop ones hence my choice/opinion.
I’m sorry if I’m being (too) pedantic. 😁
Not at all, it's a healthy debate! 😅 It certainly is interesting because you can now make slowpressos and even brew filter through your espresso machine so it begs the question, what defines it? The machine or the process? I think with SCA they don't allow pressure profiling with the WBC so that kinda does rule out the stovetop machines, but really they are going to have to change this soon, people need to EXPRESS themselves! 😂
Bezzera New hobby; ECM Casa V and the Rancilio Silva. All under $1000 usd with years of a proven track record and machine grade.
You must be in the US, right? Those machines are about $1300 in Australia. When I did these videos I thought I was making them for Australian consumers but so many people in the US watched it so I'll have to do a new one for the US. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach My apologies, I forgot about the currency conversion. However these machines from the manufacturers have been in the market over ten years and at these price points.
@@garnettbrown yeh I agree, these are great reliable machines and they feature in my $1-3k machine vid👌
Bellman stovetop steamer is pretty much a one and done machine, biggest downfall to it.
What do you mean? As in, you have to repack it all each time?
@@Rydecoffeecoach no you can steam one or two drinks(which is what its meant for) but lets say you want to make three or practice latte art…..you gotta cool it down and wait another 10-15 minutes. It’s good but quirky. I am amazed no one has made a steamer under $800 that is on the same level as cheaper espresso machines that can do more than just two drinks. Also Merry Christmas my man. Hope your holiday is blessed.
@@greysuit17 yeh totally. And if you don't boil the water before you put it in the base, it takes forever to heat up. Yeh a good steamer on the side would be awesome.
Hope you have a wonderful holiday too man and all the best!! 🙌🤗
Wheres the robot? The australian made Espresso maker? It eats so little heat that you dont need to preheat for even medium roasts. Even if you need to pre heat, you can always put the chamber above the kettle you are using. Thats not a lot of workflow
Interestingly I was left underwhelmed with the cafelat robot. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance but when I played on it the extractions were awful. I might have to revisit.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I never heard about any problems in extraction.
One friend said it made thickest espresso he ever made in dark roast. He also owned flair and Delonghi EC. The funniest part of why he sold it is because you have to grind it very fine and he owned a few commercial grinders.
The other one never said anything bad about the extraction and he only play light roasts.
I guess you should check the temp, also make sure to use boiling water
@@tippykaffu4047 yeh I'll probably have to give it another go. The Rok was better IMO but I probably didn't give the robot a proper try.
@@Rydecoffeecoach You should try the robot with pressure gauge, I heard they are tougher to create pressure compared to flair. Give it a week and you will love it.
The stock rok is actually a horrible maker because it eats up so much heat and the stock bayonet breaks quickly if you go above 6 bar. That is why some third party would make rok bayonet that is even cheaper and allows you to go super high bars without breaking after a few shots. But I guess you can fix that with PID and a third party bayonet.
@@tippykaffu4047 oh yeh a pressure gauge for it would change things.
Rancilia Silva is M under $1K .
Yep 👌
What about Lelit Machines? For less than 1k€ they have nice machines
Here in Australia the Lelit machines are just over $1k but I love them and they are definitely worth the money even if they are just over. I did include them in my $1k-3k video but also, the strange thing is, the machines vary greatly in price from country to country. No idea why!
Sugar
Well I spent 7 😂 thanks to specht
😂 and no regrets! Money well spent.
@@Rydecoffeecoach who regrets coffee gear 🤣🥳
I have a cheaper expresso macine that is not a paper weight
Nonsense, pressure and steam, that is all you need.
Moka pot... Nuff said
Buy once, cry once right?
🖕- Me having great coffee from a $300 appliance machine when someone refers to something thats over $300 as cheap.
Cheap is relevant isn't it? Would you buy a car for $300? It gets you from A to B and has 4 tyres and a steering wheel. A lot of people would consider that great too. How about when you want to drive 1000 miles across the desert? Would it be great then?
If you disagree that's fine, no need to be rude about it. Just disagree, we value different things and that is ok. 👌 The main point is that you enjoy your brew and that's what I'm about: helping people enjoy their brew! 🤗
@@Rydecoffeecoach it was more the elitist entitled way you threw it in there. Just work on your delivery. It is sometimes the issue with coffee snobbery. Not everyone can afford $1000 machines but are still able to enjoy good coffee. It's not the exclusive domain of high end machines.
Sorry if I came across elitist. I know I'm privileged where I am and I try to use my privilege to help others but I definitely don't want to come across as elitist or entitled. I meant to comment on other privileged people who have the money to afford $1000+ machines who still choose $300 ones expecting them to deliver.
I now see how that can be interpreted and I apologise. My goal is only ever to celebrate coffee. 👌