Roshi Is a wonderful character. I adore him in everything he does. He is an extremely wise person, and I guess that humor is an important trait of wisdom, too.
Actually if you re-watch the evil containment wave scene; Roshi never missed; his aim was perfect; but sadly the wind generated from the technique caused the lid of the rice cooker to close just before King Piccolo reached it. So basically as Roshi is slamming King Piccolo down at the jar, just before Piccolo reaches it, the wind closes the lid and Piccolo hits the top of the rice cooker with the lid shut and that is what causes the rice cooker to flip and bounce sideways. Roshi thought he had missed; but again his aim was perfect and had the lid not been as loose or had he been a few seconds faster pulling off the move he would have successfully sealed Piccolo.
Think about it this way: they didn't retcon the move. The characters are just powerful enough to handle it now. Like how the trip beam killed tien against nappa, but he was able to use it repeatedly against cell
I wouldn't say that he carries so called, "sleeping spray" in his pocket at all times. Remember they left the island and house knowing they were going to more than likely encounter "Evil Demon King Piccolo". As a master, you can only wonder and imagine that your pupils would probably do something rash or irreversible when presented with such a situation. Knowing also how his students are, i doubt that he misunderstands them therefore knowing they would take a risk to help him(Master Roshi) so that he would have a better chance of survival. So the sleeping spray at least to me, is understandable because he figured they might need to be knocked out cold. I know we all want to attribute it to his perversion, but i think a lot higher of him to attribute it to that. I dont know if he has that kind of capability within him to actually ACT upon such an opportunity if presented. He is fouled and haunted by his perversion, but i think if the choice were available of (Seppuku and His perversion) i think Seppuku would be his choice... But thats just my opinion.
actually they didnt retcon the mafuba, its just people are stronger now so they can take the strain. you cant even compare future trunks to roshi in db.
Did you guys forget how Goku couldn’t find the final dragon ball last time so they needed fortune teller baba. Bulma had figured out by then that ingestion can make the balls vanish.
Yeah I was surprised cause Goku said both Krillin, and Roshi had been wished back by the Dragons balls and couldn't be brought back I have a suggestive memory and recalled that from the first time DBZ aired on toonami It doesn't surprise me that most people tend to forget it over time thou and from the flashbacks of seeing King Piccolo
Piano, Tambourine, and Cymbal were retconned to be mutated Namekians because of King Piccolo’s evil energy. They are in fact Namekians, they are just mutated to look like demons and dinosaurs. Think of them as a Namekian’s interpretation of a demon. Spoiler ahead I purposely left out Drum because we’re not there yet.
Akira Toriyama's editor told the Japanese TV program "Mando Kobayashi" that he and Toriyama had already discussed the idea of a Freeza version when the Piccolo version was being serialized. I am Japanese and I have seen that video.
I usually prefer the sub these days, but big props to Mike McFarland as Roshi. His voice acting as Roshi in this episode was stellar. Roshi dying words gave me chills.
Can we just point out that Roshi, during the entire time of this arc, has NEVER had a perverted moment? He was in "serious mode" all of the time since he knows how dangerous King Piccolo is
King Piccolo’s Children are Namekian, but they’re just different looking because they’re not intended to be another of him. King Piccolo thinks he is a demon and creates children in the form of demons. Considering that Piccolo can create clothes out of thin air, it’s nothing too surprising.
I always love when comments just enforce their own headcannon as the explanation for something. Everybody knows what this is. Toriyama retconning something later in the story.
Thank you for wearing black and rroshi knew he might have to stop tien so he brought spray with him. and maybe bulma knows about science and maybe somthing about the body blocks it.
nah the reason nobody died in super,was because theyre bodies could manage the drain the technique took,theyre way more powerfull plus theyre stamina is also very high.
I dont think the evil contaiment wave got retconned in Super, i just that the cast in super got so unbelievably strong that a mortal technique cant even scratch them
Kame Sennin aka Muten Roshi is immortal because he drank some holy water. BUT he can die in battle if he uses all his energy like with the Mafuba. He's a pervert old man with prohibited manners but he's still the master of our heroes and will stay in our hearts. Now Piccolo Daimao has the 7 Dragon Balls, eternal youth is at hands
It was not retconned in super... I don't want to spoil anything, but later on it shows that you can survive the evil container wave you just have to have a higher form of energy reserves and power. This was established in dragonball itself.
They didn’t retcon the mafuba killing the user, they simply implied everyone got so much stronger so that they are able to use it without much life force energy!
i agree with the person below and even more, they didnt change it, it just in db 1) the skill level of power and training is i mportant for sure but the AGE is important as well , because the techiques energy is based to lfe energy the life energy of the user, SO ITSNLY natural a sayan like trunks who actually use it , not to be efectied at all, he is young, he is super sayan also , and faaaar more powerfull in training level, however that doesnt mean isnt dangerous , plus roshi said somehow in z that he drank a bit of life eternal water, that is why he was alive for so many genereations in db as old man! but when he use it 3 times in dbsuper, even krilin worried!
Rest in Peace Roshi, he tried to do it like his master before damn it, also Trunks didn’t die while using the Mafuba/Evil Containment Wave because he’s way stronger than Roshi plus Trunks was in his Super Saiyan Rage form, Roshi should’ve had Tien hold the jar so that it wouldn’t close on it’s own
Piano (the dinosaur person) is a Namekian cause King Piccolo is his father. As we saw with Cymbal (in the JPN dub at least) Piccolo can choose what his children look like before he gives birth, that's why they don't look like regular Namekians.
I'm talking in hindsight here. Also Piccolo and his spawn were never retconned to not be demons- there are specific in-universe properties to being a "mazoku" like them (those they kill don't pass onto the afterlife) and this is something that's still brought up in Z
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@@kaialone they were openly called demons in the OG DB anime and manga, thats why Piccolo called himself "Demonking" and said he wanted to elevate his own reptilian clan to superior status over other demons, DBZ retconned it into "lol he is a green snail that drinks water and doesnt eat"
Nope, he was called "mazoku" ("demon clan/tribe") in OG DB and he is STILL called that in DBZ- we just learn that the person he and Kami split from happened to be of alien origin. That doesn't change his nature as a mazoku though.
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@@kaialone dude are you trolling? How can you be a demon if your story gets retconned you are a snail from another planet that doesnt eat food but just drinks water? Stop trying to defend terrible writing in DBZ, same thing with power levels and zenkai boost nonsense, it was terrible...
Yeah you're forgetting that Goku is a saying so he's going to get the zenkai boost after he get healed, I know I'm talking about they don't mention it they just gives you a little Easter eggs but that's what's going to happen he's going to get a zenkai boost remember if I saying fight a pony that stronger than him and survived any of the Hill they become stronger than the opponent😊
Or Goku and Tien train to get stronger, then release Piccolo and kill him. Unfortunately, they wouldn't know doing that would make the dragon balls no good. 😕
The reason that the Mafuba killed its user in DB was because of their low power level. Obviously by the time Z and Super came around it was different. Even during the ToP Roshi could not use it multiple times for long. Each use drained him more and more. The Mafuba in DB was used as the ultimate sealing technique that required one's full life energy to complete.
I think the effects aren’t retcon, think the way it works is like Vegeta’s final atonement , where the stronger you are, the more you can resist it’s affects but that’s my thoughts
when goku go onto carin towel , you will find out WHY he is this increadible genious fighter that he always was in z, why he was so different, well at least one of the 2 reasons! the first is his amnesia when he become a good sayan , the second you are going to find out now.....
Akira Toriyama's editor later said in a TV program called "mandoukobayashi" that he and Toriyama had discussed the plan up to the Frieza Arc when the Piccolo Arc was serialized. I am watching that video because I am Japanese. Do you understand?
"Do you remember, the twenty-first night of september?" "Love was changin' the live of pretenders" "While chasin' the clouds away" "Our hearts ringin', in the key that our souls were singin'" "As we dance in the night, remember, how th stars stole the night, oh yeah" "Hey, hey, hey, baa-dee-yaa, say do you remember?" "Ba-dee-ya, dangin' in september, ba-dee-ya never was a cloudy day" - Earth, Wind and Fire, like what Roshi will taste in this episode!
Dang it's so crazy about Master Roshi vs King Piccolo, Roshi almost had it with the mafuba technique but first of all King Piccolo is not a Namekian at this point lol because Toriyama in the 80s did not come up of Goku and Piccolo to be an alien until DBZ, Piccolo is basically a Demon Clan which is why Piano, Tambourine, and Cymbal look different
I could be wrong, but I believe spirit energy and life energy are either one in the same, or intertwined somehow so to use one uses the other. And in my opinion The Evil Containment Wave uses Spirit energy to accomplish, because Roshi, and his master was so old and had human levels of life energy so the evil containment wave killed them. Later in Super they all have Much more life energy, so they can use it without dieing.
madison predict accidently the continue....it was one of the hypothesis you said! also madison let me answer you directly, even if he takes a senzu bean sure he wil lbe stronger, this time maybe stronger than picolo , BUT now picolo is going to be young and powerfull, and as piano said to pilaf, there would be no comparison to his power as young with what he was before! so goku must be come close to death 2 more times to be equal to him right now.... and of course these things never happened in this show! they always choose the hard way!
The monsters aren't Namekians, Toriyama hadn't plotted that out yet. But it's safe to assume that because Piccolo Daimao is the demonic half of Kami, he can create any demonic type of monster he wants. Also I don't think it was a retcon exactly in Super. I think it will only kill you if you are significantly weaker than the enemy or something. Tien survives it in this arc too
Trunks is a lot stronger than Roshi him surviving the evil containment wave is the same way Vegeta survived his self-destruction attack he used against Top the destroyer. It's the same way Tien was able to use multiple tribeam cannons against Cell and live.
*Did you see the Tien vs Roshi fight? They are really close in power. *Vegeta only self destructed once. It's not something you survive unless you can regenerate like Cell or Buu. *Tien's attack against Cell was different than the one he used against Nappa. He was also severely injured against Nappa.
This is one of the saddest scenes in the series. Roshi may be strange sometimes, but he has a good heart and he wanted to protect everyone.
He just wanted to protect the hoes 🤌
Roshi Is a wonderful character. I adore him in everything he does. He is an extremely wise person, and I guess that humor is an important trait of wisdom, too.
Actually if you re-watch the evil containment wave scene; Roshi never missed; his aim was perfect; but sadly the wind generated from the technique caused the lid of the rice cooker to close just before King Piccolo reached it. So basically as Roshi is slamming King Piccolo down at the jar, just before Piccolo reaches it, the wind closes the lid and Piccolo hits the top of the rice cooker with the lid shut and that is what causes the rice cooker to flip and bounce sideways. Roshi thought he had missed; but again his aim was perfect and had the lid not been as loose or had he been a few seconds faster pulling off the move he would have successfully sealed Piccolo.
Think about it this way: they didn't retcon the move. The characters are just powerful enough to handle it now. Like how the trip beam killed tien against nappa, but he was able to use it repeatedly against cell
They weren't the same attack. The one he used against Cell was a new upgraded version.
Also, he was severely injured when he attacked Nappa.
Yep all their ki and life force arent drained all the way anymore because they are extremely powerful now.
Agreed
I know finally you express how madison predicts the show that's why I like her
Bro you yell at the time 5.19 was hilarious 😂😂😂😂 just like madison
The pain in Tien’s voice before Master Roshi used the evil containment wave was top tier
I wouldn't say that he carries so called, "sleeping spray" in his pocket at all times.
Remember they left the island and house knowing they were going to more than likely encounter "Evil Demon King Piccolo".
As a master, you can only wonder and imagine that your pupils would probably do something rash or irreversible when presented with such a situation.
Knowing also how his students are, i doubt that he misunderstands them therefore knowing they would take a risk to help him(Master Roshi) so that he would have a better chance of survival. So the sleeping spray at least to me, is understandable because he figured they might need to be knocked out cold.
I know we all want to attribute it to his perversion, but i think a lot higher of him to attribute it to that.
I dont know if he has that kind of capability within him to actually ACT upon such an opportunity if presented.
He is fouled and haunted by his perversion, but i think if the choice were available of (Seppuku and His perversion) i think Seppuku would be his choice...
But thats just my opinion.
You are right. I agree. Roshi knows what might going to happen, so he prepared for everything
“I seen Roshi in Z so I know he doesn’t die here”- Baris last video 😂😂😂😂😂
Making up quotes.
actually they didnt retcon the mafuba, its just people are stronger now so they can take the strain. you cant even compare future trunks to roshi in db.
Master Roshi death maid me shed a tear as a kid watching this for the first time
Did you guys forget how Goku couldn’t find the final dragon ball last time so they needed fortune teller baba. Bulma had figured out by then that ingestion can make the balls vanish.
Yeah I was surprised cause Goku said both Krillin, and Roshi had been wished back by the Dragons balls and couldn't be brought back
I have a suggestive memory and recalled that from the first time DBZ aired on toonami
It doesn't surprise me that most people tend to forget it over time thou and from the flashbacks of seeing King Piccolo
Piano, Tambourine, and Cymbal were retconned to be mutated Namekians because of King Piccolo’s evil energy. They are in fact Namekians, they are just mutated to look like demons and dinosaurs. Think of them as a Namekian’s interpretation of a demon.
Spoiler ahead
I purposely left out Drum because we’re not there yet.
Akira Toriyama's editor told the Japanese TV program "Mando Kobayashi" that he and Toriyama had already discussed the idea of a Freeza version when the Piccolo version was being serialized. I am Japanese and I have seen that video.
If you noticed, Mutaito had someone keeping the jar open for him, but Roshi had nobody.
When Shenron was summoned, for a moment, I heard the sound effect of Wing Zero Gundam's Twin-barrel buster rifle!
I usually prefer the sub these days, but big props to Mike McFarland as Roshi. His voice acting as Roshi in this episode was stellar. Roshi dying words gave me chills.
Can we just point out that Roshi, during the entire time of this arc, has NEVER had a perverted moment? He was in "serious mode" all of the time since he knows how dangerous King Piccolo is
He looked at Bulma’s underwear in an earlier episode.
Bulma already know that the dragon radar can't find the dragon ball if it is swallow by a living creature. It's already told in the Baba's arc.
Kami be like: "Oh, he just wants to be young again. I will allow this. Could've been worse."
King Piccolo’s Children are Namekian, but they’re just different looking because they’re not intended to be another of him. King Piccolo thinks he is a demon and creates children in the form of demons. Considering that Piccolo can create clothes out of thin air, it’s nothing too surprising.
namekians arent a thing yet. this isnt dbz.
I always love when comments just enforce their own headcannon as the explanation for something.
Everybody knows what this is. Toriyama retconning something later in the story.
I think these two have been dipping in the goofy juice before these last couple of reactions 🤭
I just realized that Kishimoto must've been inspired by the Evil Containment Wave/Mafuba for his Reaper Death Seal jutsu.
Your reaction says all Madison love you guys ❤
Thank you for wearing black and rroshi knew he might have to stop tien so he brought spray with him. and maybe bulma knows about science and maybe somthing about the body blocks it.
nah the reason nobody died in super,was because theyre bodies could manage the drain the technique took,theyre way more powerfull plus theyre stamina is also very high.
All of those creatures tambourine, piano, etc are Piccolo's children. So yeah they are namekians
it gets better and better
I dont think the evil contaiment wave got retconned in Super, i just that the cast in super got so unbelievably strong that a mortal technique cant even scratch them
Kame Sennin aka Muten Roshi is immortal because he drank some holy water. BUT he can die in battle if he uses all his energy like with the Mafuba. He's a pervert old man with prohibited manners but he's still the master of our heroes and will stay in our hearts.
Now Piccolo Daimao has the 7 Dragon Balls, eternal youth is at hands
Frieza panic attack: Super Saiyan
King Piccolo panic attack: Evil Containment Wave.
Buu’s panic attack no candy
It was not retconned in super... I don't want to spoil anything, but later on it shows that you can survive the evil container wave you just have to have a higher form of energy reserves and power. This was established in dragonball itself.
its 100% a retcon
Happy Thanksgiving yall 🦃
They didn’t retcon the mafuba killing the user, they simply implied everyone got so much stronger so that they are able to use it without much life force energy!
i agree with the person below and even more, they didnt change it, it just in db 1) the skill level of power and training is i mportant for sure but the AGE is important as well , because the techiques energy is based to lfe energy the life energy of the user, SO ITSNLY natural a sayan like trunks who actually use it , not to be efectied at all, he is young, he is super sayan also , and faaaar more powerfull in training level, however that doesnt mean isnt dangerous , plus roshi said somehow in z that he drank a bit of life eternal water, that is why he was alive for so many genereations in db as old man! but when he use it 3 times in dbsuper, even krilin worried!
Rest in Peace Roshi, he tried to do it like his master before damn it, also Trunks didn’t die while using the Mafuba/Evil Containment Wave because he’s way stronger than Roshi plus Trunks was in his Super Saiyan Rage form, Roshi should’ve had Tien hold the jar so that it wouldn’t close on it’s own
RIP Master Roshi.
3:55 unless you want him to "pass" them to you you aint getin em. and if he uses the mafuba on him would he not also seal the two dragon balls?
Piano (the dinosaur person) is a Namekian cause King Piccolo is his father. As we saw with Cymbal (in the JPN dub at least) Piccolo can choose what his children look like before he gives birth, that's why they don't look like regular Namekians.
they were demons in OG DB before the retcon
I'm talking in hindsight here.
Also Piccolo and his spawn were never retconned to not be demons- there are specific in-universe properties to being a "mazoku" like them (those they kill don't pass onto the afterlife) and this is something that's still brought up in Z
@@kaialone they were openly called demons in the OG DB anime and manga, thats why Piccolo called himself "Demonking" and said he wanted to elevate his own reptilian clan to superior status over other demons, DBZ retconned it into "lol he is a green snail that drinks water and doesnt eat"
Nope, he was called "mazoku" ("demon clan/tribe") in OG DB and he is STILL called that in DBZ- we just learn that the person he and Kami split from happened to be of alien origin. That doesn't change his nature as a mazoku though.
@@kaialone dude are you trolling? How can you be a demon if your story gets retconned you are a snail from another planet that doesnt eat food but just drinks water? Stop trying to defend terrible writing in DBZ, same thing with power levels and zenkai boost nonsense, it was terrible...
if anyone was gonna test if swallowing dragon balls does anything, itll be Bulma.
Yeah you're forgetting that Goku is a saying so he's going to get the zenkai boost after he get healed, I know I'm talking about they don't mention it they just gives you a little Easter eggs but that's what's going to happen he's going to get a zenkai boost remember if I saying fight a pony that stronger than him and survived any of the Hill they become stronger than the opponent😊
No such thing as zenkai boosts in DB.
When Goku eats a senzu bean and recovers, he will be the same strength he was before he fought Piccolo.
piccolo had dragon balls inside him, and master roshi was about to trap those balls into box forever 😂😂
Or Goku and Tien train to get stronger, then release Piccolo and kill him. Unfortunately, they wouldn't know doing that would make the dragon balls no good. 😕
Great reaction as always, and happy Thanksgiving to both of you
Chiaotzu: I wish you make me useful!
Shenron: Done
and with that Shenron transforms Chiaotzu into a desk lamp.
Maybe I havent noticed but did y'all change the quality of y'all's videos? It looked so clear today for some reason idk lol
It doesn't look like he missed looks like the jar closed
The reason that the Mafuba killed its user in DB was because of their low power level. Obviously by the time Z and Super came around it was different. Even during the ToP Roshi could not use it multiple times for long. Each use drained him more and more. The Mafuba in DB was used as the ultimate sealing technique that required one's full life energy to complete.
its a retcon
Ihh it's not a retcon Tien used it and didnt die
@@cloudyriver Tien wasnt successful and he also has his Tribeam so he learned how to conserve small amount energy to survive.
Was Roshi successful? He wasn't
I think the effects aren’t retcon, think the way it works is like Vegeta’s final atonement , where the stronger you are, the more you can resist it’s affects but that’s my thoughts
is that an engagement ring?!!!
Roshi doing the vogue
The Evil Containment Wave
when goku go onto carin towel , you will find out WHY he is this increadible genious fighter that he always was in z, why he was so different, well at least one of the 2 reasons! the first is his amnesia when he become a good sayan , the second you are going to find out now.....
saiyans do not exist in OG DB
Akira Toriyama's editor later said in a TV program called "mandoukobayashi" that he and Toriyama had discussed the plan up to the Frieza Arc when the Piccolo Arc was serialized. I am watching that video because I am Japanese. Do you understand?
Oh man, I can't wait to see the reactions from what happens in the next episode lol
Hope you two are having an great and awesome ❤
Doesn’t hit the same after seeing him use it 3 times in the Tournament of Power.
because Super is trash
EVIL CONTAINMEEEENT
In daima we learn namekians are demons
😢👍👍
"Do you remember, the twenty-first night of september?"
"Love was changin' the live of pretenders"
"While chasin' the clouds away"
"Our hearts ringin', in the key that our souls were singin'"
"As we dance in the night, remember, how th stars stole the night, oh yeah"
"Hey, hey, hey, baa-dee-yaa, say do you remember?"
"Ba-dee-ya, dangin' in september, ba-dee-ya never was a cloudy day"
- Earth, Wind and Fire, like what Roshi will taste in this episode!
Bulma invented the dragon radar. Why wouldn't she know what would it's block signal.
The reason for this is that it is a scene added only to the anime. The dialogue does not exist in the manga.
Dang it's so crazy about Master Roshi vs King Piccolo, Roshi almost had it with the mafuba technique but first of all King Piccolo is not a Namekian at this point lol because Toriyama in the 80s did not come up of Goku and Piccolo to be an alien until DBZ, Piccolo is basically a Demon Clan which is why Piano, Tambourine, and Cymbal look different
Piccolo's offspring are not pure namekians but mutated ones. They were known in the First DB as just demons.
I could be wrong, but I believe spirit energy and life energy are either one in the same, or intertwined somehow so to use one uses the other. And in my opinion The Evil Containment Wave uses Spirit energy to accomplish, because Roshi, and his master was so old and had human levels of life energy so the evil containment wave killed them. Later in Super they all have Much more life energy, so they can use it without dieing.
R.I.P. Master Roshi 😢
No because Nova Shenron literary stated that he was born from the wish that made King Piccolo regain his youth and mortality.
White shirt= dislike
madison predict accidently the continue....it was one of the hypothesis you said! also madison let me answer you directly, even if he takes a senzu bean sure he wil lbe stronger, this time maybe stronger than picolo , BUT now picolo is going to be young and powerfull, and as piano said to pilaf, there would be no comparison to his power as young with what he was before! so goku must be come close to death 2 more times to be equal to him right now.... and of course these things never happened in this show! they always choose the hard way!
The monsters aren't Namekians, Toriyama hadn't plotted that out yet. But it's safe to assume that because Piccolo Daimao is the demonic half of Kami, he can create any demonic type of monster he wants. Also I don't think it was a retcon exactly in Super. I think it will only kill you if you are significantly weaker than the enemy or something. Tien survives it in this arc too
If only gas from the manga had eternal youth
Trunks is a lot stronger than Roshi him surviving the evil containment wave is the same way Vegeta survived his self-destruction attack he used against Top the destroyer. It's the same way Tien was able to use multiple tribeam cannons against Cell and live.
its a retcon
*Did you see the Tien vs Roshi fight? They are really close in power.
*Vegeta only self destructed once. It's not something you survive unless you can regenerate like Cell or Buu.
*Tien's attack against Cell was different than the one he used against Nappa. He was also severely injured against Nappa.
@@deckzone3000 Tien is stronger when he fights second form Cell than when he fought Jackie Chun in Dragon Ball