Sodium ion would be good for limited life renewable energy devices like garden lights, consumer electronics especially Bluetooth speakers and similar, power tool batteries, and bulk energy storage devices from UPS systems to solar power systems to grid buffer systems. Lithium is better for applications where weight and gross energy density is the primary concern. Sodium can do away with the need for cobalt as cheap iron can be used as the acceptor electrode. The storage electrode can be made of silicon boron and carbon.❤
I think sodium batteries are the future, but only if the next years are spent researching for more energy efficient appliances to compensate for the lower energy density of sodium
It is not so energy dense compared to lithium ion is alright, since its manufacturing process is much friendly to our environment and the price doesn't cost a moon and a star. 🧐
Current battery chemistry is optimized for lithium, and although sodium is practically a drop in replacement to lithium, the chemistry likely wouldn't be as ideal for sodium as it was for lithium. Perhaps there is room for improvement.
Recent lithium advances will render sodium batteries to mainly grid-ttype storage use. Sodium is far heavier and 30% less energy dense than Li. Video is primarily for clicks.
@Ninjajitsu562 no a'm not. I am me myself inherited a soul from my mother and physical appearance from my father.. yup I am peace leader and I don't take side just says what I see and feel.. so no I am not a bot nor Chinese 🙂.
@@Lumi_nance Oh you know how that one goes. Occam's Razor and all that. The onus is on the claimer to prove it, not for the one questioning it to disprove it.
A basic science lesson : Atomic # of Lithium = 3 Atomic # of Sodium = 11 Both Li+ and Na+ carry single positive charge. Na+ has a weight penalty of 3.67 times that of Li+ One needs almost 4 times the mass of Lithium to make a battery that can store equivalent amount of charge with Sodium. This is a fundamental fact in nature which you cannot overcome. Sodium batteries will never reach the energy density per kg of Lithium batteries. Too much hype circulating. Yes, Sodium is cheaper!!! Good candidate for ESS. Can potentially replace LFP for ESS applications. I am in the battery industry.
while sobering, this guy (caperider) is the only one in the comments giving you the critical information you need to know.👍 so unfortunately what he just demonstrated is that anyone who doesn't know how to read the basic "trends" and "groupings" of the Periodic Table, is really not qualified to speak on the subject of Na batteries Vs Li batteries, or any other battery chemistry for that matter.
to provide the same energy capacity (100 kWh), a sodium-ion battery would need to be approximately 60% heavier and 67% larger in volume compared to a lithium-ion battery
@@caperider1160 My view is totally different. I will gladly accept 800kg battery (vs 500kg like in Tesla S) for: much cheaper car, much quicker charging time, much greener than Li-ion... also I am very much biased being that I'm from Serbia and extremely opposed to Lithium mining in Serbia.
Sodium ion batteries have a terrible discharge voltage curve. Lithium stays at nominal voltage until around 80% usage then it drops off quickly. But with sodium the voltage drops immediately and very quickly. This alone makes sodium ion batteries useless for applications without constant charging such as cars or portable devices without charging. The only usage I can see for sodium batteries is as storage for off grid applications with constant electricity generation like a water wheel where you would want storage of excess energy but don’t have breaks in the supply. With solar or wind the sodium battery just won’t have the reserve voltage to be effective replacement for lithium.
How tiresome.... "the environment... the environment... the environment." Of more importance are the fire risks of lithium that mean people and homes get destroyed.
I can't understand why Musk did not go down this road years ago. Now can Musk just swap out the pathetic lithium batteries with the sodium-ion batteries in his Tesla cars ?
Sodium ion would be good for limited life renewable energy devices like garden lights, consumer electronics especially Bluetooth speakers and similar, power tool batteries, and bulk energy storage devices from UPS systems to solar power systems to grid buffer systems. Lithium is better for applications where weight and gross energy density is the primary concern. Sodium can do away with the need for cobalt as cheap iron can be used as the acceptor electrode. The storage electrode can be made of silicon boron and carbon.❤
Sodium battery:
Charging time: 15 minutes
Range: 120km or more
fake news you tesla bot
The major differences is the sodium-ion don't explode and its a big advantage compared to the lithium ion 🔥🔥🔥
I think sodium batteries are the future, but only if the next years are spent researching for more energy efficient appliances to compensate for the lower energy density of sodium
It is not so energy dense compared to lithium ion is alright, since its manufacturing process is much friendly to our environment and the price doesn't cost a moon and a star. 🧐
Current battery chemistry is optimized for lithium, and although sodium is practically a drop in replacement to lithium, the chemistry likely wouldn't be as ideal for sodium as it was for lithium. Perhaps there is room for improvement.
Perhaps a dual set up?
Recent lithium advances will render sodium batteries to mainly grid-ttype storage use. Sodium is far heavier and 30% less energy dense than Li. Video is primarily for clicks.
Check out the sodium Ion 4.0 battery. Give or take two years and lithium is done.
Zapto I choose you....!!!
Gotta catch them all..😊....
nerds... never was the marketing it is all about practicality... keep that in mind.
@@peaceleader7315Chinese bots
@Ninjajitsu562 no a'm not. I am me myself inherited a soul from my mother and physical appearance from my father.. yup I am peace leader and I don't take side just says what I see and feel.. so no I am not a bot nor Chinese 🙂.
Excellent report! On balance, it seems that Na is better for the environment than Li,
Very much doubt that, do you know how Sodium is made, look it up, very energy and chemically intensive, no free lunch here.
I'm sick and tired of promises and never seeing them materialized.
Funny how all the salt batteries shown in this video are all computer rendered.
you now that the biggest battery mfr is producing them already?
@@Lumi_nance What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
@@Antiorganizer absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence 😜
@@Lumi_nance Oh you know how that one goes. Occam's Razor and all that. The onus is on the claimer to prove it, not for the one questioning it to disprove it.
They are on the market now .
A basic science lesson :
Atomic # of Lithium = 3
Atomic # of Sodium = 11
Both Li+ and Na+ carry single positive charge. Na+ has a weight penalty of 3.67 times that of Li+
One needs almost 4 times the mass of Lithium to make a battery that can store equivalent amount of charge with Sodium. This is a fundamental fact in nature which you cannot overcome.
Sodium batteries will never reach the energy density per kg of Lithium batteries.
Too much hype circulating.
Yes, Sodium is cheaper!!! Good candidate for ESS. Can potentially replace LFP for ESS applications.
I am in the battery industry.
while sobering, this guy (caperider) is the only one in the comments giving you the critical information you need to know.👍 so unfortunately what he just demonstrated is that anyone who doesn't know how to read the basic "trends" and "groupings" of the Periodic Table, is really not qualified to speak on the subject of Na batteries Vs Li batteries, or any other battery chemistry for that matter.
to provide the same energy capacity (100 kWh), a sodium-ion battery would need to be approximately 60% heavier and 67% larger in volume compared to a lithium-ion battery
@dusanstojanovic3759 exactly! Perhaps Na is a good choice for ESS but not for mobility
@@caperider1160 My view is totally different. I will gladly accept 800kg battery (vs 500kg like in Tesla S) for: much cheaper car, much quicker charging time, much greener than Li-ion... also I am very much biased being that I'm from Serbia and extremely opposed to Lithium mining in Serbia.
Sodium ion batteries have a terrible discharge voltage curve. Lithium stays at nominal voltage until around 80% usage then it drops off quickly. But with sodium the voltage drops immediately and very quickly. This alone makes sodium ion batteries useless for applications without constant charging such as cars or portable devices without charging. The only usage I can see for sodium batteries is as storage for off grid applications with constant electricity generation like a water wheel where you would want storage of excess energy but don’t have breaks in the supply. With solar or wind the sodium battery just won’t have the reserve voltage to be effective replacement for lithium.
Great breakthrough. Lithium is finished !!!
Nice one.thanks for uploading
Sodium good for electric pickup truck because pickup strong body 👍👍👍😀
How tiresome.... "the environment... the environment... the environment." Of more importance are the fire risks of lithium that mean people and homes get destroyed.
Clear comparison between two battery systems that both have their problems nothing to say about the energy needed to charge those batteries. 🙁
Hydrogen batteries nevermind to hazards making it what happens if you put it in a laptop and the battery starts to leak?????
Why not combine both?
If aliens do exist they must be having a good laugh. Those puny humans with their ancient batteries.
lithium battery they caught on fire I see video of them ok they good battery but not trusted them my phone get over head at time
background music was loud/unnecessary
One EXPLODES, the other DOES NOT ?
doesn’t give you any info just generalizations
One is now and the other is vapor ware.
One is fire ware. Vapor ware is safer.
I say ch20 great for house since panels produce it those cars great wiath ba
They want our salt wayerrrr
👍👍👍
Very nice, hope this takes off!
It were easy or even feasible, it would have been done by now. I see it as yet another scam.
They are on the market now
I can't understand why Musk did not go down this road years ago. Now can Musk just swap out the pathetic lithium batteries with the sodium-ion batteries in his Tesla cars ?
R&D more
I am business ready India
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