Always enjoy listenting to Tom E. Curran. Nobody has his finger on the pulse of the Patriots like he does! And I 100% agree with him that players and coaches aren't going to "intentionally lose" to get a higher draft pick.
Wow, what insight. That's the kind of stuff that excites you to hear? That players don't intentionally lose? And people wonder why weei is close to bankruptcy. Not enough listeners like yourself.
@@SimbolicProductions Will they be laughing if that was the final straw that got Mayo fired and the Pats had Ben Johnson coaching Maye next year? The Bills will always be the Bills.
I’ll take Vrabel over Johnson. Being a good coordinator has no carryover to being a good HC. There’s a long list of coordinators that were very good but flamed out as HC’s
Wanting a team to purposely blow a game because of a fn draft pick is the most ridiculous mindset an athlete or a professional coach could have. The Krafts didn't want them to blow it either 😂😂😂
Should have fired Mayo at halftime and put in the scout team, to keep the first draft pick. To lose it like that was beyond silly and at least a felony....
Also, guys, I have played football all my life high school college semipro. I have been on losing teams and winning teams. Not one single coach will ever lose a game on purpose. It just will never happen. Always remember that. Now could have the coach played practice squad players like Buffalo did?
Plz give Ben Johnson whatever he wants. We do not need Jerod Mayo 2.0 when we could have a potential Sean Mcvay to work w Maye. The OC turnover in the league is killer. We need an elite offensive head coach.
@@romeod7549 Look at the state of the league my guy how many defensive coaches are winning superbowls these days? Is Vrabel going to run an elite offense? He would need to hire an elite OC. Those guys typically leave for head coaching gigs after a year the turnover is v high so having one as head coach is a massive advantage. Plus I think your giving Vrabel a ton of credit saying he's proven, he just started looking into analytics this past year and his singular #1 seed season he had a sick O line and prime Derrick Henry. Outside of Pats nation it seems pretty clear Johnson is the top candidate.
Robert Kraft stated he never told his team to not spend to the cap. So why have they had some of the most cap space recently in the NFL? This year they have the most.....
8:48 wow Tom actually said something intelligent 😂 I guarantee if we got B Johnson that Curran will sh1t on him for not being his pick, and then praise him and act like he wanted him if he's successful like he did with Drake Maye
To answer your question what does Mayo do next year. The answer is that he is perfect corporate personality. He talks a real good story and so a position in fan /'customer relations is ideal.
The owner should have verbalized they have to lose the game? If anyone leeks that it's a fantastic look bud. Players are paid to perform. There is no way they are going to tank. It's against their self interests.
Tom Curran, Bill Belichick is not blaming anyone. He is the only one not open the mouth at all, I do pray everyday for him to speak loudly about it. Media Poisonous snakes was and will be mad at him because he never play their games or allowed them to even make him hesitate.
Most of know that Curran is a scumbag. Is he saying that Bill said something? Belichick is one person that goes out of his way to not say much. Kraft and his media shills use Bill as a punching bag on a daily basis. They really are horrible people and should be treated as such. Lying scumbags are the worst kind of humans. No one should like them or treat them with any respect. They should be treated as suspects.
You have to consider tanking that game because of the financial difference it means to the franchise in all rounds. Should have been done without question.
The Krafts are so concerned about angering Goodell and his NFL Gestapo they will continue to make decisions with politics guiding them every step of the way.
Give me Ben Johnson over Vrabel any day of the week and twice on Sunday. This team needs to move towards the future, with new blood, new vision. Someone who has experience with analytics department and all the other things good teams have that the Patriots need to implament. Vrabel is part of the past, we have to move towards the future.
Yeah I feel like Vrabel would be a decent coach cus of the experience but is most likely going to be doing stuff that's old school and won't be good enough for Superbowl's. Ben Johnson seems very smart and capable and has young vision needed to have an advantage.
I love the idea of fresh blood with no ties to the past (Ben Johnson). The ONLY possible issue that I see is that Johnson has NEVER been an HC, just a coordinator. That could turn out great...or a shit-show! It's a crap shoot to hire a Head Coach with zero experience...and a huge rebuild (from the ground up) ahead.
I agree my choice is that Ben Johnson would be awesome. Let’s not act like Vrabel is the village idiot tho, clearly a top coach with now a year of front office experience. Could be what we need
@@obarbeito I think without a new experienced and competent General Manager to draft and scout talent to add to this roster.... Vince Lombardi couldn't coach this Patriots team to more than 6-7 wins!
I'm not sure why all of Boston sports journalists are acting dumb about not knowing how to lose a football game or otherwise saying "you can't." They could've just handed the ball off a million times to Gibson or called more complex plays that would cause penalties because the players weren't ready. A loss could've been manufactured, get over it.
I don’t know why they couldn’t just pull every starter. And take Milton out at some point when he’s on fire. Call more plays just running up the middle. I don’t think it would have been too hard to lose that game
Not one single coach or player will ever try to lose a game on purpose. I have played football my whole life high school college semipro. I know some people who have played in the pros. It’s in their blood to always win. If owners find out that a coach told their players to lose on purpose, he will never get hired anywhere again.
Because as a professional athlete or being on a professional coaching staff, there's no such thing as lowering your standards for a fn draft pick!!! That's the bs mindset of people that is not on the field. Besides, Buffalo was going to make sure that the patriots did not lose, it was obvious.
@youtubeconnollyfamily lol, because Buffalo played their 2nd and 3rd string, didn't mean the patriots had to. That's just what fans wanted. The players and coaches are not going to lower their standards as professionals to satisfy the " Eat your young, to get what you want " mindset of the fans.
Vrabel went 9 & 9 with Derek Henry and one of the best running games in the league with a team that had way more talent than NE. In his last two years his team was a mess and he got canned. Is that really who we want taking over? Another BB coaching tree member with a losing record? Players don't want to play for the guy and he's no BB. Please go get Ben Johnson. He's a winner he's a far better choice for Drake Mayes development and he's superior to Vrabel on the offensive side of the ball. He can hire a defensive coordinator he trusts to run the defense and stay involved with the offense. Wolf could stay and help Ben get the players he needs. Then Krafts happy and the team has a new direction.
Can we please not talk about Wolf n Co. for months and months when we know they have to go? Just like Mayo did. Please. Can we not let him ruin another offseason before we tank completely? Please. Like, my Lord, how is he and Groh not fired???
To be happy about losing #1 pic. Just think if we did lose that game mayo may still be the head coach. It was worth not getting the top pic. No point of having it if we don’t have a coach that knows what to do with it.
You don't ask professional athletes to lose. It's that simple and to continue to ask that question is ignorant. Most you can do is put in all the backups and call it a development game. Once you ask any athlete to lose on a team sport, you're making a cultural decision that affects every player on that team and trickles down generationally. People talk, even if you were to trade or cut every person on the team to start over you'd have that story permeate the league. It would prevent the "good" players from coming here in free agency as well as other problems.
Vrabel has a safe floor low ceiling ben johnson has superbowl mike shannahan potiental offensively & it's better for maye long term development and oc can come in and leave to be a hc with success.
HE SHOULD SIGN WITH RAIDERS, THERE IS A LOT TO DO IN NEVADA GO LOOK AT THE GOLD MINES , GO HUNTING FISHING , OR PLAY POKER WHAT EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Within three years, possibly two, the patriots will be making a deep run in the playoffs because of our quarterback. Buffalo was going through the same thing so was Detroit. So many other teams have gone through the same thing for even a much longer longer time, but they never landed that franchise quarterback. Once you get that position, then you can start to turn your team around in a couple years and that’s what the patriots are doing now.
Depends on who comes in. They have a real potential franchise qb. This is actually the first time they have a chance at something since Brady left. You are winning nothing with Cam Newton and Mac Jones. Basically, like every team, you have to wait until you get a real qb. Then you can start to try to win again. The other years are just a waste.
if the bills layed down a L the pats could have done the same thing. so incompetent they couldn't even lose when the had to. bills really won by letting them win
Tell Robert Kraft this vrabel has the head coach Josh McDaniels as the offensive coordinator Robert Saleh as the defensive coordinator that's a dream team right there multiple championships in foxboro
Yeah, but if they did lose the game, then there’s a good chance mayo would still be the head coach so it was worth losing the number one pick to be honest. I was very pissed that we did win that game. I really was. I was so fucking mad. Then when the coach got fired, I was happy because I realized there’s no point of having the number one overall pick if we have a head coach that doesn’t know what to do with it. 4 it’s still a solid pic. We can get a very good tackle or McMillan the receiver who I think is much better than Hunter. Or we can even trade it for a few future first round pics possibly who knows. The Raiders are trying to do anything and everything to get up there to get Ward or Sanders. If Cleveland and Tennessee does not take one of those quarterbacks, I think the Raiders will try to make a deal with the Patriots.
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Always enjoy listenting to Tom E. Curran. Nobody has his finger on the pulse of the Patriots like he does! And I 100% agree with him that players and coaches aren't going to "intentionally lose" to get a higher draft pick.
Well the bills sure lost to ensure we didn’t get that pick. I bet the front office was having a good laugh about it.
doesnt negate the fact they shouldve. They been losing all year. bunch of divas. lose to better the team
Wow, what insight. That's the kind of stuff that excites you to hear? That players don't intentionally lose? And people wonder why weei is close to bankruptcy. Not enough listeners like yourself.
@@SimbolicProductions Will they be laughing if that was the final straw that got Mayo fired and the Pats had Ben Johnson coaching Maye next year? The Bills will always be the Bills.
I’ll take Vrabel over Johnson. Being a good coordinator has no carryover to being a good HC. There’s a long list of coordinators that were very good but flamed out as HC’s
Thank you for saying this!
Agreed.
Need to rebuild the culture too, which Vrabel is already accustomed to.
Fire Mayo at half time for having the lead.
Wanting a team to purposely blow a game because of a fn draft pick is the most ridiculous mindset an athlete or a professional coach could have. The Krafts didn't want them to blow it either 😂😂😂
Should have fired Mayo at halftime and put in the scout team, to keep the first draft pick. To lose it like that was beyond silly and at least a felony....
Hmmm. Now I’m torn between losing weight or eating a sandwich. Thanks WEEI!
Also, guys, I have played football all my life high school college semipro. I have been on losing teams and winning teams. Not one single coach will ever lose a game on purpose. It just will never happen. Always remember that. Now could have the coach played practice squad players like Buffalo did?
Vrabel was the new Patriots coach 8 weeks ago.
You can never loose on purpose. Gambling would ruin the sport and make a mockery of the NFL.
Plz give Ben Johnson whatever he wants. We do not need Jerod Mayo 2.0 when we could have a potential Sean Mcvay to work w Maye. The OC turnover in the league is killer. We need an elite offensive head coach.
Yeah let’s give “potential” whatever he wants. Another never have been a coach candidate does not sound better than a proven NFL coach
@@romeod7549 Look at the state of the league my guy how many defensive coaches are winning superbowls these days? Is Vrabel going to run an elite offense? He would need to hire an elite OC. Those guys typically leave for head coaching gigs after a year the turnover is v high so having one as head coach is a massive advantage. Plus I think your giving Vrabel a ton of credit saying he's proven, he just started looking into analytics this past year and his singular #1 seed season he had a sick O line and prime Derrick Henry. Outside of Pats nation it seems pretty clear Johnson is the top candidate.
I only listen when Tom E. Curran speaks.
That's when most people turn off. But then again, most people don't enjoy being lied to.
Robert Kraft stated he never told his team to not spend to the cap. So why have they had some of the most cap space recently in the NFL? This year they have the most.....
8:48 wow Tom actually said something intelligent 😂
I guarantee if we got B Johnson that Curran will sh1t on him for not being his pick, and then praise him and act like he wanted him if he's successful like he did with Drake Maye
@@SkeletorsSon Why wouldn't he praise someone for being successful?
To answer your question what does Mayo do next year. The answer is that he is perfect corporate personality. He talks a real good story and so a position in fan /'customer relations is ideal.
The owner should have verbalized they have to lose the game? If anyone leeks that it's a fantastic look bud.
Players are paid to perform. There is no way they are going to tank. It's against their self interests.
Tom Curran, Bill Belichick is not blaming anyone. He is the only one not open the mouth at all, I do pray everyday for him to speak loudly about it. Media Poisonous snakes was and will be mad at him because he never play their games or allowed them to even make him hesitate.
Most of know that Curran is a scumbag. Is he saying that Bill said something? Belichick is one person that goes out of his way to not say much. Kraft and his media shills use Bill as a punching bag on a daily basis. They really are horrible people and should be treated as such. Lying scumbags are the worst kind of humans. No one should like them or treat them with any respect. They should be treated as suspects.
You have to consider tanking that game because of the financial difference it means to the franchise in all rounds. Should have been done without question.
Ben Johnson but if it is Vrabel I’ll take it but I really need him to bring in a good OC.
He says it isn't done and that Buffalo did it within 30 seconds.
The Krafts are so concerned about angering Goodell and his NFL Gestapo they will continue to make decisions with politics guiding them every step of the way.
What makes you think that? If they were concerned about that, then they would have kept mayo.
I'd take Ben Johnson as OC, but not as HC.
I wouldn't be surprised if Vrabel signs with the Raiders.
Give me Ben Johnson over Vrabel any day of the week and twice on Sunday. This team needs to move towards the future, with new blood, new vision. Someone who has experience with analytics department and all the other things good teams have that the Patriots need to implament. Vrabel is part of the past, we have to move towards the future.
Yeah I feel like Vrabel would be a decent coach cus of the experience but is most likely going to be doing stuff that's old school and won't be good enough for Superbowl's. Ben Johnson seems very smart and capable and has young vision needed to have an advantage.
I love the idea of fresh blood with no ties to the past (Ben Johnson). The ONLY possible issue that I see is that Johnson has NEVER been an HC, just a coordinator. That could turn out great...or a shit-show! It's a crap shoot to hire a Head Coach with zero experience...and a huge rebuild (from the ground up) ahead.
Agreed I see more potential with Ben but also a lower potential floor. Anywhere from a single to a home run. Vrable seems like a double.
I agree my choice is that Ben Johnson would be awesome. Let’s not act like Vrabel is the village idiot tho, clearly a top coach with now a year of front office experience. Could be what we need
@@obarbeito I think without a new experienced and competent General Manager to draft and scout talent to add to this roster....
Vince Lombardi couldn't coach this Patriots team to more than 6-7 wins!
If you hire Vrabel, the OC becomes more important than him. So dumb to hire defensive coach.
The plays they called Sunday were down field passes we didn’t see all year. They actually looked aggressive. Ya they tried to win
I'm not sure why all of Boston sports journalists are acting dumb about not knowing how to lose a football game or otherwise saying "you can't." They could've just handed the ball off a million times to Gibson or called more complex plays that would cause penalties because the players weren't ready. A loss could've been manufactured, get over it.
I don't feel like they needed to be that aggressive to lose. You don't play Gibson, and you shank a few FGs
I don’t know why they couldn’t just pull every starter. And take Milton out at some point when he’s on fire. Call more plays just running up the middle. I don’t think it would have been too hard to lose that game
Not one single coach or player will ever try to lose a game on purpose. I have played football my whole life high school college semipro. I know some people who have played in the pros. It’s in their blood to always win. If owners find out that a coach told their players to lose on purpose, he will never get hired anywhere again.
They should have not played any of the starters. Then still try to win the game, but they kept the starting receivers out there for a long time.
Because as a professional athlete or being on a professional coaching staff, there's no such thing as lowering your standards for a fn draft pick!!! That's the bs mindset of people that is not on the field. Besides, Buffalo was going to make sure that the patriots did not lose, it was obvious.
@youtubeconnollyfamily lol, because Buffalo played their 2nd and 3rd string, didn't mean the patriots had to. That's just what fans wanted. The players and coaches are not going to lower their standards as professionals to satisfy the " Eat your young, to get what you want " mindset of the fans.
@@youtubeconnollyfamily - looks like someone missed the Giants game this past weekend lol
Vrabel went 9 & 9 with Derek Henry and one of the best running games in the league with a team that had way more talent than NE. In his last two years his team was a mess and he got canned. Is that really who we want taking over? Another BB coaching tree member with a losing record? Players don't want to play for the guy and he's no BB. Please go get Ben Johnson. He's a winner he's a far better choice for Drake Mayes development and he's superior to Vrabel on the offensive side of the ball. He can hire a defensive coordinator he trusts to run the defense and stay involved with the offense. Wolf could stay and help Ben get the players he needs. Then Krafts happy and the team has a new direction.
The idea that they should have fired Mayo before the game so they would lose is so stupid
Can we please not talk about Wolf n Co. for months and months when we know they have to go? Just like Mayo did. Please. Can we not let him ruin another offseason before we tank completely? Please. Like, my Lord, how is he and Groh not fired???
To be happy about losing #1 pic. Just think if we did lose that game mayo may still be the head coach. It was worth not getting the top pic. No point of having it if we don’t have a coach that knows what to do with it.
He lost his job before that 🤦
Kraft even said a month ago it was evident he had to go especially with the fans reactions
Vrabel with a good OC
You don't ask professional athletes to lose. It's that simple and to continue to ask that question is ignorant. Most you can do is put in all the backups and call it a development game.
Once you ask any athlete to lose on a team sport, you're making a cultural decision that affects every player on that team and trickles down generationally. People talk, even if you were to trade or cut every person on the team to start over you'd have that story permeate the league.
It would prevent the "good" players from coming here in free agency as well as other problems.
No need to ask. You just put in 3rd stringers to give them a chance like Buffalo did. Mike White made sure they wouldn't score another point.
Mr Mike is right for the pats !!!!!
Vrabel has a safe floor low ceiling ben johnson has superbowl mike shannahan potiental offensively & it's better for maye long term development and oc can come in and leave to be a hc with success.
Liam Coen for HC
Get Bryon Leftwich and I promise you I'll never watch this product ever again.
What a dumb ass take on tanking. The guy on the right sounds like a fanboy 😅
Only reason Mayo was fired is because Vrable has already agreed to accept the job once the Rooney rules are satisfied.
HE SHOULD SIGN WITH RAIDERS, THERE IS A LOT TO DO IN NEVADA GO LOOK AT THE GOLD MINES , GO HUNTING FISHING , OR PLAY POKER WHAT EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pats fans we better get used to being back in the basement while Robert is alive. His meddling ensures the decade will be wasted.
Vrabel stinks.
Bottom feeders it over the next 5 years
Within three years, possibly two, the patriots will be making a deep run in the playoffs because of our quarterback. Buffalo was going through the same thing so was Detroit. So many other teams have gone through the same thing for even a much longer longer time, but they never landed that franchise quarterback. Once you get that position, then you can start to turn your team around in a couple years and that’s what the patriots are doing now.
Depends on who comes in. They have a real potential franchise qb. This is actually the first time they have a chance at something since Brady left. You are winning nothing with Cam Newton and Mac Jones. Basically, like every team, you have to wait until you get a real qb. Then you can start to try to win again. The other years are just a waste.
if the bills layed down a L
the pats could have done the same thing. so incompetent they couldn't even lose when the had to.
bills really won by letting them win
Unless that was why Mayo was fired then it's a huge win for the Pats and the Bills may end up regretting it.
@BaronVonMunch i hope so, but losing # 1 was huge
They should have lost,, PERIOD
Loyalty? Wolf is a Jew like Krafty Bob...plain and simple 🤔🤔🤔
Tell Robert Kraft this vrabel has the head coach Josh McDaniels as the offensive coordinator Robert Saleh as the defensive coordinator that's a dream team right there multiple championships in foxboro
Hire John Gruden RIGHT NOW!
Gross. No thank you. Too old school and can't adapt to the modern NFL.
That would be pretty bad.
Gruden?? Yeah maybe 15 years ago! He's crazy now...😂
@@damienfallon8980 Gruden and Kraft…Id hate to be a woman in the organization
No thanks Belichick was too out of touch let alone Gruden
Tommy - you’re full of shit. They didn’t have to “aggressively lose”…all they had to do was let the Bills score on that last drive.
Yeah, but if they did lose the game, then there’s a good chance mayo would still be the head coach so it was worth losing the number one pick to be honest. I was very pissed that we did win that game. I really was. I was so fucking mad. Then when the coach got fired, I was happy because I realized there’s no point of having the number one overall pick if we have a head coach that doesn’t know what to do with it. 4 it’s still a solid pic. We can get a very good tackle or McMillan the receiver who I think is much better than Hunter. Or we can even trade it for a few future first round pics possibly who knows. The Raiders are trying to do anything and everything to get up there to get Ward or Sanders. If Cleveland and Tennessee does not take one of those quarterbacks, I think the Raiders will try to make a deal with the Patriots.
Tommy's always full of shit. You can see it spilling out the sides of his mouth most of the time.