Well said. Clearly they are 2 different types of game with a similar concept. I’ve been finding myself hopping back and forth between the two because they scratch different itches. Space marine scratches the itch to being an unstoppable force going up crazy odds, whereas helldivers scratches the itch of being a very stoppable force that refuses to allow crazy odds stop them
This game isn’t even 9 hours long and they want $70 for it. Multiplayer doesn’t offer much, I don’t see at all how this compares to helldivers. What is this game gonna have after all the dlc drops?
@@homelander2243 well to be fair it’s only $60 USD and does have a PVP system which on it own sets it apart from helldivers. Plus with space marine the main draw is the Warhammer 40k setting so it doesn’t matter that the game isn’t taking a live service approach, because after all the dlc drops, the game is going to be what fans of 40k play when they want to play a game as an space marine killing enemies of the imperium or other space marines.
@@homelander2243Yeah the game is super underwhelming, it's fun and definitely has content but not $70 worth it. Definitely a good game if you get it on sale.
Love how people will say that this game would kill HD2 but it’s never reached its player peak and over this four day period (technically seven) that it’s been out has already lost a larger percentage larger than HD2 had in four months
Dont get me wrong I really liked helldivers 2 when it came out, and it had potential, but the devs killed it, the trust isnt there anymore. The thing is, theres no point in playing helldivers 2 (in my personal opinion) when every single weapon even in a new warbond gets nerfed or you dont even get to try it, just to feel if its worth grinding for. Why even bother? It becomes a literal chore and personal preferences turn into using anything that is barely functional which means im forced to use things I dont like. War Hammer feels like Im killing as much as I can and want, I feel powerful, I feel i can make a difference, I feel like im not being sent into something that im clearly under equipped for. Hell divers feels like I run, hide and hope I dont get swarmed because the equipment I'm given is so weak its borderline treason and better to speed run, than to fight and eradicate enemies they gave us fkn throwing knives for godsake dude thats not swarm killing sht.
No. When the active player number inevitably falls off and people are waiting for new content in Space Marine 2 can we all please agree to not dogpile in with negativity? Player numbers will fluctuate like a tide rising and falling with new content.
They said SM2 would also kill Darktide, but both are very different games while being in the same genre. They can exist next to each other. When the new update comes out the 26st, I'll go back to Darktide again.
@@BananenbaumEY If you mean the botched crafting system, it will be on the 26st. Gameplay-wise it was always a good game (and they build on that for the past 1,5 years).
This was very well laid out, thanks for the video. I tried conveying a similar message to friends of mine but a lot of the "SM2 killed Helldivers" argument comes from people who were already ready to jump ship onto another game due to the changes HD2 made. They're both great games, and they attack the same concept with different angles of approach. They're incredibly similar but when you really dig into the games, there's enough that sets them apart to where you can enjoy both without feeling like you're playing the same game. I think SM2 will be a good break from HD2 while devs roll out these changes to win back the players, and I think it'll be good to see the HD2 community return when they need a break from SM2.
Thanks for the kind words! Most of the comments here are “no are you dumb Helldivers 2 killed itself!!” Proving that most people didn’t watch the video, just saw the title and commented. Thanks for taking the time to watch and let me know your thoughts 💙
space marine 2 is so different from helldivers 2. space marine 2 has no emergent gameplay, very on rails and all the sequences are scripted. theres less freedom and tons of “stand in this area and shoot bugs crawling up this pre-determined spot for 2 minutes then go to an elevator”, the quicktime events are so annoying. i feel like im constantly stuck in an animation.
Definitely not, HD2 is still going strong and once the new patch drops lots of players will return. Plus HD2 is better that SM2 in my opinion. Ive racked up over 350 hoyrs in HD2 and i still enjoy it, i e played SM2 for just over a week now and im bored of it
SM2 has lost half of his players base in less than 1 month Yesterday 24-hour peak on SteamDB was the same for the 2 games (35K) So, no HD2 is not yet dead and SM2 dies faster ^^
It's funny how much the narrative has flipped on Space Marine 2, everyone was calling it a Helldivers killer but that couldn't be further from the truth just for how undercooked the whole experience is. Don't get me wrong, Space Marine 2 was really fun and I'm digging the pvp at the moment but it doesn't have that spark and charm that Helldivers 2 has, it just doesn't. Power fantasy or not, Helldivers 2 is just the more satisfying game, even after 450+ hours.
2 different game concepts in HD2 you're surprisingly elite cannon fodder vs unsurmountable odds in SM2, you're a supersoldier facing hordes of mooks HD2 will lose players to SM2 because a lot of people thought mistakenly HD2 was about being a supersoldier those that did understand HD2's game concept and go with it will stay also HD2 makes losing to team f-ups fun in a way that SM2 can't achieve
HD 2 is more a power fantasy than SM2, SM2 is a QTE snoozefest where if you dont click the right button at a time, you get slaughtered by grunt chaos because spacemarine seems to have paper armor nowadays this game will absolutely not overshadowing HD2, if we dont speak about power balance HD2 still have 10 time more content to play, the gameloop is better and bring more variety
I would say so too, it feels like what helldivers 2 shouldve been beacause i played helldivers 1 and i can say that helldivers 1 is better and i was hyped for helldivers 2 because its niche, unpopular and i know how good it could become and was glad helldivers has eyes again. Also incredible thumbnail
Don't listen to anyone both games are doing good and I'm all for it, I liked Helldivers much more, but all the cod and fortnite kids bringing toxicity and complaining about everything have been the downfall of it. Whenever they move on to the next game I hope order is restored but until then they'll complain about the sky being blue.
No because Space Marine is a single player game with some multiplayer options. Helldiver is a liveservice multiplayer only game. Helldivers was killed by its "fans" who spent 500 hrs on the game and then started to tell everyone how shit it is, so new players are not coming. Helldivers is a pure shooter, Space Marine is an old school action game. I watch all the HD youtubers going into SM and they suck at it, they straight away went into "how to dodgeroll through the level the fastest way"
3:32 hit it right on the head. HD is the more unique experience, the more sandbox open ended gameplay seems to make it a little harder to balance for and just like every live service game it goes in Epps and flow. While SM is the more traditional coop shooter. Yes you have the director in it changing enemy placement but the objectives are still the same. Both do have a lot of similarities but many more differences.
I mean GTA 6 isn't coming out until what? 2026? And they're two different games so I don't see how one would affect the other? Also GTA 5 didn't kill anything so what are you even talking about?
"OH MY GOD ONLY 3 MAPS FOR MPPVP???REALLY???" Considering its a single player game, we could have had less than 3. Sometimes quality over quantity, you know. Btw, there will be updates for the game, for free. But im sure the youtubers will still find something to bitch about in their clickbaits about that as well.
But look how many space marines it takes to do a mission. Helldivers can do this solo. Physically one v one. Space marine would win. However, with atleast 2 helldivers. All space marines are dead.
Space Marines 2 is an easy GOTY contender with deep world building, fully realised designs and lore thats goes back to the 80s whilst Hell Divers is slapped together copy of the Starship troopers movie.
No, people don't play the same game forever. The same way Space Marine 2 won't be killed by the next thing that comes out, people will just have played it enough. Games "dying" somehow became a Internet buzzword. BG3 and Elden Ring lost most of their player base, it's not like these games were a failure, it's just that people played through these games at launch, now it's people replaying it or buying it on sale. Space Marine 2 will "die" sooner than Helldivers 2, because it's not a live service game. The only games that can survive for years on end are MMOs and live service games.
simply no, sm2 is a game you enjoy the campaign and operations, takes 20 hours max, pvp is avrg. Leveling up gear is ok but not great reason to stay. HD2 is a slow progress game storywise that makes you stick around as long as the gameplay is fun. Ik hd2 and sm2 are repetitive but honestly hd2 feels better for that and I really hoped sm2 will be similar in that area. Seems like sm2 was not meant to compete with hd2 and only social media is glazing that
Space Marine 2 is better in every way. No Pay 2 Progress and the devs that run SM2 aren't glue huffing r3t4rds. Helldivers 2 is the Space Marine 2 we have at home. It tried to capture that 40k horde type fighting, but with all the nerfs and weak gear, it never scratched the itch that SM2 hit. HD2 is straight garbage.
All of the warbonds can be purchased with a currency that you can earn in game without really needing to go out of your way to get it. Also, you talking about nerfs AFTER the 17th? Whos the glue huffer lmao
Short Answer... YES, Helldivers 2 had it all and pissed it away over 7 months. One of the saddest things ive seen in gaming, but SM2 is so god damn good and has purely MORE CONTENT than HD2. I have 200 hours in HD2, and I love the game, but it was over when the PSN issues were going down, and we couldn't accept it. It was a good run, they made money, and we had some fun. it's time to move on.
to bad the enjoyment of sm2 ends when all you got is an avrg pvp and same exact operations with little variety. SM2 and hd2 have nothing to do with eachother. You stay on sm2 for character lvl up and cosmetics. But on HD2 you stay for the slow evolving war game
War Hammer -> You can literally slaughter entire swarms, is the best/most advanced mankind has to offer Helldivers 2 -> You run from swarms, is the weakest/underequipped, least advanced mankind has to offer
Sounds like a skill issue. Also the satire seems to go over your head, Helldivers aren't super soldiers, they're a bunch of 18 year olds that get 15 minutes worth of training, put on capes and are supposed to go out and fight a war for a fascistic one world government. I legit don't know where this idea of "we need overpowered weapons to even win" came from. Maybe when the game launched because our options were limited but now? We got tons of murder options and if you're still bitching about "weapon balance", you're part of the problem, over tuning weapons won't bring people back.
@@scottroxford5715exactly in Helldivers we are regular people fighting fucking aliens bots and bugs and sm2 we are fucking Demigods with overpowered weapons that’s the whole point of being a space marine while in Helldivers we’re supposed to be REGULAR people with REGULAR Weapons when a few exceptions thanks to the ministry of Science but why are people so hellbent about comparing 2 Different with 2 completely different fantasies both are amazing but I just prefer being a regular man fighting impossible battles that’s the real challenge to me 🤷🏾
@@MackDKenpachi Bro look up Helldivers before spewing this dumb sht "The Helldiver Corps are one of the main military branches of the Super Earth Armed Forces, acting as the SEAF's elite unit, responsible for defending and spreading the ideals of Super Earth against intergalactic threats at all costs. Extremely well trained and exceptionally equipped, Helldivers are sent deep behind enemy lines through the use of the ingenious 'Hellpod', shock absorbing pods launched directly from orbiting Super Destroyer ships." Ironically helldivers are NOT this, underequipped, undertrained, weak meat shields.
No. Helldivers 2 is back
Well said. Clearly they are 2 different types of game with a similar concept. I’ve been finding myself hopping back and forth between the two because they scratch different itches. Space marine scratches the itch to being an unstoppable force going up crazy odds, whereas helldivers scratches the itch of being a very stoppable force that refuses to allow crazy odds stop them
This game isn’t even 9 hours long and they want $70 for it. Multiplayer doesn’t offer much, I don’t see at all how this compares to helldivers. What is this game gonna have after all the dlc drops?
@@homelander2243 well to be fair it’s only $60 USD and does have a PVP system which on it own sets it apart from helldivers. Plus with space marine the main draw is the Warhammer 40k setting so it doesn’t matter that the game isn’t taking a live service approach, because after all the dlc drops, the game is going to be what fans of 40k play when they want to play a game as an space marine killing enemies of the imperium or other space marines.
@@TarceGamingNah it's a modern full priced title, I don't know where you got 60 from.
@@homelander2243Yeah the game is super underwhelming, it's fun and definitely has content but not $70 worth it. Definitely a good game if you get it on sale.
@@scottroxford5715 I don't know about consoles, but on Steam it's literally $59.99, and you can get it for even cheaper on other sites.
Helldivers killed helldivers.
Couldn’t agree more Imagine being kicked for nothing😢lvl 90 kicked by lvl 100 to just be a troll and its always a pc player
Yeah it's so dead bro 😂
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@@kenethernandez6246 shit you commented this before me. was about to comment the same thing.
LMAO
Love how people will say that this game would kill HD2 but it’s never reached its player peak and over this four day period (technically seven) that it’s been out has already lost a larger percentage larger than HD2 had in four months
Dont get me wrong I really liked helldivers 2 when it came out, and it had potential, but the devs killed it, the trust isnt there anymore. The thing is, theres no point in playing helldivers 2 (in my personal opinion) when every single weapon even in a new warbond gets nerfed or you dont even get to try it, just to feel if its worth grinding for. Why even bother? It becomes a literal chore and personal preferences turn into using anything that is barely functional which means im forced to use things I dont like. War Hammer feels like Im killing as much as I can and want, I feel powerful, I feel i can make a difference, I feel like im not being sent into something that im clearly under equipped for. Hell divers feels like I run, hide and hope I dont get swarmed because the equipment I'm given is so weak its borderline treason and better to speed run, than to fight and eradicate enemies they gave us fkn throwing knives for godsake dude thats not swarm killing sht.
@@godofhate4167 The game is BACK
@@godofhate4167Aged like absolute milk lmfao
@@kenethernandez6246 Yeap, cuz helldivers 2 fkn died LMAO
@godofhate4167 Yeah bro it's super dead 😂🤡
No.
When the active player number inevitably falls off and people are waiting for new content in Space Marine 2 can we all please agree to not dogpile in with negativity?
Player numbers will fluctuate like a tide rising and falling with new content.
Only thing is that Space Marine 2 devs dropped a road map for expected content so we actually know what to expect.
They said SM2 would also kill Darktide, but both are very different games while being in the same genre. They can exist next to each other. When the new update comes out the 26st, I'll go back to Darktide again.
is it out of beta yet?
@@BananenbaumEY If you mean the botched crafting system, it will be on the 26st. Gameplay-wise it was always a good game (and they build on that for the past 1,5 years).
This was very well laid out, thanks for the video. I tried conveying a similar message to friends of mine but a lot of the "SM2 killed Helldivers" argument comes from people who were already ready to jump ship onto another game due to the changes HD2 made. They're both great games, and they attack the same concept with different angles of approach. They're incredibly similar but when you really dig into the games, there's enough that sets them apart to where you can enjoy both without feeling like you're playing the same game. I think SM2 will be a good break from HD2 while devs roll out these changes to win back the players, and I think it'll be good to see the HD2 community return when they need a break from SM2.
Thanks for the kind words! Most of the comments here are “no are you dumb Helldivers 2 killed itself!!” Proving that most people didn’t watch the video, just saw the title and commented.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and let me know your thoughts 💙
No it did not. Because this two games is an example of the genre that we've lost. And now they are back in a proper Next Gen! CURRENT Gen Table.
space marine 2 is so different from helldivers 2. space marine 2 has no emergent gameplay, very on rails and all the sequences are scripted. theres less freedom and tons of “stand in this area and shoot bugs crawling up this pre-determined spot for 2 minutes then go to an elevator”, the quicktime events are so annoying. i feel like im constantly stuck in an animation.
Dude the melee combat mechanics give the game so much personality and make it so much better
Definitely not, HD2 is still going strong and once the new patch drops lots of players will return.
Plus HD2 is better that SM2 in my opinion. Ive racked up over 350 hoyrs in HD2 and i still enjoy it, i e played SM2 for just over a week now and im bored of it
The only thing that sucks are the cod and Fortnite kids complaining all the time
SM2 has lost half of his players base in less than 1 month
Yesterday 24-hour peak on SteamDB was the same for the 2 games (35K)
So, no HD2 is not yet dead and SM2 dies faster ^^
It's funny how much the narrative has flipped on Space Marine 2, everyone was calling it a Helldivers killer but that couldn't be further from the truth just for how undercooked the whole experience is. Don't get me wrong, Space Marine 2 was really fun and I'm digging the pvp at the moment but it doesn't have that spark and charm that Helldivers 2 has, it just doesn't. Power fantasy or not, Helldivers 2 is just the more satisfying game, even after 450+ hours.
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2 different game concepts
in HD2 you're surprisingly elite cannon fodder vs unsurmountable odds
in SM2, you're a supersoldier facing hordes of mooks
HD2 will lose players to SM2 because a lot of people thought mistakenly HD2 was about being a supersoldier
those that did understand HD2's game concept and go with it will stay
also HD2 makes losing to team f-ups fun in a way that SM2 can't achieve
What is dead may never die
HD 2 is more a power fantasy than SM2, SM2 is a QTE snoozefest where if you dont click the right button at a time, you get slaughtered by grunt chaos because spacemarine seems to have paper armor nowadays
this game will absolutely not overshadowing HD2, if we dont speak about power balance HD2 still have 10 time more content to play, the gameloop is better and bring more variety
If you were to recommend only one of the two games to a friend who hasn't played either which would you choose?
I'm just not playing HD2 until the patch gets released tbh.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: Noooooo.
True! But there has been a lot of talk about these two games being similar. Thanks for watching!
I would say so too, it feels like what helldivers 2 shouldve been beacause i played helldivers 1 and i can say that helldivers 1 is better and i was hyped for helldivers 2 because its niche, unpopular and i know how good it could become and was glad helldivers has eyes again. Also incredible thumbnail
Ive never seen anyone compare hell divers to war hammer
Space Marine imo is better than Hell Divers 2. I found it more fun and dynamic
No where close
Nah helldiver's did it to themselves
The old hard shell soft shell taco debate. Why not both?
Don't listen to anyone both games are doing good and I'm all for it, I liked Helldivers much more, but all the cod and fortnite kids bringing toxicity and complaining about everything have been the downfall of it. Whenever they move on to the next game I hope order is restored but until then they'll complain about the sky being blue.
Haha true! The more fun games the better. Both seem to be doing just great atm. Enjoying playing both.
No because Space Marine is a single player game with some multiplayer options.
Helldiver is a liveservice multiplayer only game.
Helldivers was killed by its "fans" who spent 500 hrs on the game and then started to tell everyone how shit it is, so new players are not coming.
Helldivers is a pure shooter, Space Marine is an old school action game.
I watch all the HD youtubers going into SM and they suck at it, they straight away went into "how to dodgeroll through the level the fastest way"
No, it’s a different game entirely.
3:32 hit it right on the head. HD is the more unique experience, the more sandbox open ended gameplay seems to make it a little harder to balance for and just like every live service game it goes in Epps and flow. While SM is the more traditional coop shooter. Yes you have the director in it changing enemy placement but the objectives are still the same. Both do have a lot of similarities but many more differences.
No, Arrowhead and Sony did
helldivers 2 is not dead though...
Alive and well. Thriving even. Its got a bright future ahead of it. 100,000 player when I was on today.
I feel the company making these space action games need to come together before both their games get killed by gta 6 and bo6.
I mean GTA 6 isn't coming out until what? 2026? And they're two different games so I don't see how one would affect the other? Also GTA 5 didn't kill anything so what are you even talking about?
@@scottroxford5715 you don’t think that this game will last 2 years
@@traditional-dig8333 I think it will so long as the devs focus on content instead of appeasing to idiots that care too much about weapon balancing.
Its good but no helldivers 2 killed itself
You gotta learn to use some commas. I'm glad that no helldiver has killed themselves.
"OH MY GOD ONLY 3 MAPS FOR MPPVP???REALLY???"
Considering its a single player game, we could have had less than 3.
Sometimes quality over quantity, you know.
Btw, there will be updates for the game, for free.
But im sure the youtubers will still find something to bitch about in their clickbaits about that as well.
One day Space Marine 2 will definitely die, but Helldivers will continue to live.
But look how many space marines it takes to do a mission. Helldivers can do this solo. Physically one v one. Space marine would win. However, with atleast 2 helldivers. All space marines are dead.
Helldivers? is that some kind of sport drink?
Dumb question. Of course a new shiny toy is better than the last one
how is it to publish a video saying helldivers dead, 1 week before he return to the best state he has ever been?
No it didn't.
Space Marines 2 is an easy GOTY contender with deep world building, fully realised designs and lore thats goes back to the 80s whilst Hell Divers is slapped together copy of the Starship troopers movie.
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No, people don't play the same game forever. The same way Space Marine 2 won't be killed by the next thing that comes out, people will just have played it enough. Games "dying" somehow became a Internet buzzword. BG3 and Elden Ring lost most of their player base, it's not like these games were a failure, it's just that people played through these games at launch, now it's people replaying it or buying it on sale. Space Marine 2 will "die" sooner than Helldivers 2, because it's not a live service game.
The only games that can survive for years on end are MMOs and live service games.
Helldivers killed itself. All they had to do was not nerf.
simply no, sm2 is a game you enjoy the campaign and operations, takes 20 hours max, pvp is avrg. Leveling up gear is ok but not great reason to stay. HD2 is a slow progress game storywise that makes you stick around as long as the gameplay is fun. Ik hd2 and sm2 are repetitive but honestly hd2 feels better for that and I really hoped sm2 will be similar in that area. Seems like sm2 was not meant to compete with hd2 and only social media is glazing that
true.
man. sometimes fandom are dumb.
Space Marine 2 is better in every way.
No Pay 2 Progress and the devs that run SM2 aren't glue huffing r3t4rds.
Helldivers 2 is the Space Marine 2 we have at home.
It tried to capture that 40k horde type fighting, but with all the nerfs and weak gear, it never scratched the itch that SM2 hit.
HD2 is straight garbage.
All of the warbonds can be purchased with a currency that you can earn in game without really needing to go out of your way to get it. Also, you talking about nerfs AFTER the 17th? Whos the glue huffer lmao
Short Answer... YES, Helldivers 2 had it all and pissed it away over 7 months. One of the saddest things ive seen in gaming, but SM2 is so god damn good and has purely MORE CONTENT than HD2. I have 200 hours in HD2, and I love the game, but it was over when the PSN issues were going down, and we couldn't accept it. It was a good run, they made money, and we had some fun. it's time to move on.
to bad the enjoyment of sm2 ends when all you got is an avrg pvp and same exact operations with little variety. SM2 and hd2 have nothing to do with eachother. You stay on sm2 for character lvl up and cosmetics. But on HD2 you stay for the slow evolving war game
ah geez, i wonder why. (its because sony decided to make people that doesnt have playstation support in their country not able to play it.)
lol 6 linear co op missions and 3 PvP maps is not more content. Sm2 only has 3 biomes 😂🥱
War Hammer -> You can literally slaughter entire swarms, is the best/most advanced mankind has to offer
Helldivers 2 -> You run from swarms, is the weakest/underequipped, least advanced mankind has to offer
Sounds like a skill issue.
Also the satire seems to go over your head, Helldivers aren't super soldiers, they're a bunch of 18 year olds that get 15 minutes worth of training, put on capes and are supposed to go out and fight a war for a fascistic one world government. I legit don't know where this idea of "we need overpowered weapons to even win" came from. Maybe when the game launched because our options were limited but now? We got tons of murder options and if you're still bitching about "weapon balance", you're part of the problem, over tuning weapons won't bring people back.
Helldivers 2 requires more strategy, it’s ok if you can’t handle that just don’t bitch about it too much
Skill issue
@@scottroxford5715exactly in Helldivers we are regular people fighting fucking aliens bots and bugs and sm2 we are fucking Demigods with overpowered weapons that’s the whole point of being a space marine while in Helldivers we’re supposed to be REGULAR people with REGULAR Weapons when a few exceptions thanks to the ministry of Science but why are people so hellbent about comparing 2 Different with 2 completely different fantasies both are amazing but I just prefer being a regular man fighting impossible battles that’s the real challenge to me 🤷🏾
@@MackDKenpachi Bro look up Helldivers before spewing this dumb sht
"The Helldiver Corps are one of the main military branches of the Super Earth Armed Forces, acting as the SEAF's elite unit, responsible for defending and spreading the ideals of Super Earth against intergalactic threats at all costs. Extremely well trained and exceptionally equipped, Helldivers are sent deep behind enemy lines through the use of the ingenious 'Hellpod', shock absorbing pods launched directly from orbiting Super Destroyer ships."
Ironically helldivers are NOT this, underequipped, undertrained, weak meat shields.
No.
No it did not
nah
Space Marine 2 didn't even have to do anything, Helldivers was doing that just fine by itself
100%. It does seem like Arrowhead is trying to fix some things, but we’ll see
Hell divers is one of the most overrated games ever
No.