Fisker Karma: Better for the Environment?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- This video details the specifics regarding CO2 emissions from electric power plants vs. gas cars as it tries to determine which is better for the environment. Specifically, it works out the numbers on the 2012 Fisker Karma in this regard.
I watch your videos for no reason. I enjoy how you explain things, and your voice. Very organized thoughts and good presentation.
You should absolutely commit to making car review videos. You would be one of the best car reviewers.
Excellent videos! Thank you for your effort.
Great videos on this channel. Well presented.
Nicely done. I don't agree with all of your simplifying assumptions, but overall I think this is the most cogent explanation I've seen of what is a complicated, misunderstood and misrepresented subject. I joke that I have a coal-powered car since I charge my Karma in Georgia. I'm glad you made the point that *where* the emissions happen is just as important as *how much* too; that's too often lost in the shuffle.
This is great, very interesting video. I learned a lot. I think living in BC where most of our electricity is hydro, it would be a good idea
Fair enough. There does seem to be a trend to do similar shortenings like saying "pounds of torque" when there is no such thing. In any case thanks for creating your videos; the content is great.
Wow.. That's a great presentation!
Brian, Nice job on the various Karma videos.
Excellent production as usual. I've enjoyed all three of your Karma videos. I do have a fundamental issue with your assertions however. You presume that 100% of Karma driving is in stealth mode, when it he whole premise of the Karma is its role as an EVER. All of the comparison vehicles have tremendous range advantage over the electric range of the Karma, so to fairly compare them, compare them at all levels of operation, meaning, how green is the Karma when the generator is running...
very smart man with a very nice car....i love this car
Very well informed video, I quite enjoyed it. I just think you were a little harsh at labeling people that drive a Prius. I don't drive one but I know people that do.
Yeah, I decided to skip the gas mode on the Karma mainly because I really don't ever use it. On the rare occasions that I do, it's usually just for a few miles to get me home, so it really doesn't factor into my driving. Plus, I wanted to focus on the EV aspect of the car alone.
great video!
Good analysis - from a return on investment perspective I guess another issue is the amount of travel done? With $100k initial outlay - does all this resource input into batteries ect make sense when only traveling 8000mile per year? For example
Oil changes are cheap, however other costs related to wear and tear will be higher(because parts would be harder to find and labor more expensive because of that). Also I imagine there are many more electronic computers in an electric car vs a gas powered one which use proprietary computers(similar to newer car computers that cost several hundred dollars for 20 year old technology). Any accidents would be financially devastating as not many mechanics are trained to repair electric cars.
Thanks. You should consider making more car review videos you really have a knack for it!
If I put $4 gas in a car that gets 20 mpg, the cost per mile is 20 cents.
To make it apples to apples, I would depreciate the existing battery pack cost over the projected time-distance lifespan. Obtaining existing pricing is rather difficult, but assume 3000 Fiskers, divided by the $50 million, A123 said the battery recall cost them, would place a pack around $16k, or 16 cents per mile. Toyota paid Tesla $60 million for batteries in 2600 RAV4’s, which is around $23k per unit in 2012.
I am not being augmentative,in fact I respect what you did on this video. It may have been difficult to quantify but I think you should have mentioned GM's turbo four generator power plant. It sounds like you rarely are in need of its extended use, but maybe including the lowest common denominator for this stat would have bumped your stats either way by several percent. I thought it was insightful and intelligent, I just kept thinking when is he going to mention the gasoline engine in the Karma?
you should look into a lotus evora S.
Good presentation. I have no plans to ever buy a Fisker Karma, that is unless I hit the lottery which isn't likely since I usually don't play, for the same reason I rarely gamble at casinos. I'd be better off just throwing my money into the street and save me the time involved that I can use for other constructive means. The info was still good not just for the Karma but other brands as well.
super great looking car! also loved your review and decided to order the Volvo v60 plug in hybrid.
regardless of the fact how good or not the karma is
they still half assed the car in my eyes alot of people had complaints about how the body of the car has bumps and unfinished ends ......... still a sexy car tho
What about the Prius's battery? Great vids about the Karma, thanks!
What car did you get to replace the Fisker?
Great video Brian. These cars now sell for 30-40 k. Have you ever considered buying another one?
I miss mine a lot, but I’d never get another one. No way to repair or maintain it.
Hi Brian! I'm kicking around getting a Karma. I just went and talked to my mechanic. He's telling me that since Fisker is not a well known company that most places here in Tallahassee aren't going to be able to work on it if I have a problem. (He said I may have to ship it off to ?-somewhere-?) He also said that since Fisker went bankrupt that it would be basically impossible to get replacement parts.
I know a Chinese company bought them out of bankruptcy, so do you know if parts are available? And then, if you need a new fender or something, could a local body shop take care of that or am I shipping it somewhere?
Nice job w/ the videos and I appreciate your detail. Please share your thoughts . . .
Yeah, I know. Until the rate increase last month our top rate was only like 8 cents or something.
Now you have to compare the Fisker with the Tesla Model S because it is also a electric vehicle extended range, and what do you think about this Tesla?
perfect
I think I used Keynote on the Mac.
Would you prefer the Fisker Karma or the new Tesla Models S?? you should do a comparison video :)
Great video, did you ever run into computer issues with the car that left you stranded and not able to crank of operate vehicle? I have read a few reviews that really concern me about Fisker?
Courtney Gore Smith Oh, heck yes. The computer malfunctioned all the time, and stranded me constantly.
The Model S is a great car, but I still prefer the Karma. Mainly because of its looks, but the Model S is a better car to drive.
what software did you use to make those beautiful graphs?
yeah but you didnt take into account battery cost for the prius. so prius should be 0.07+x = ?
The Pious also has a battery enviromental impact as well of course, and is one of dullest cars to drive.
if i may add & correct me if im wrong.. once the gas is burned, you dont get it back. we will run out of oil in what, 100 ish years? like you said at the end. id much rather use energy from 5 or 6 sources that we dont have to rely on other countries to get. than to use a 1 source, oil. AND (dont take as an insult, u have a nicer car than I) id like to see 100% EV's compared to those cars u used on that scale. does having an EV w/ an ICE generator, x2 defeat the purpose of a "greener" vehicle?
The car still costs $100,000 though, and maintenance costs will be far higher than an ICE making it economically senseless.
What Solar Cell company did you get yours from ?
It's 2020, could you do an update on electric vs gasoline?
It would be interesting to see how the new numbers compare.
Revolutionary car 1st generation even :)
Do you still have the Karma?
Well, the Tesla Model S gets up to 300 miles on a charge… and charging it is free. Now what?
Yes, that's because in the real world people just say "kilowatt". It's too verbose to always be saying "kilowatt hours", and nobody is going to think you mean "kilowatt minutes". The "hours" part is implied and inferred by 99.9% of the people on the planet who even know what a kilowatt is.
stupid ass youtube, something is wrong with this video, it keeps ending at 2:52
jesus you have cheap electricity, got 30c per kwh in Australia
do you still have it ?
Nope. Sold it 2 years ago
***** alright :D
+Brian Greenstone So what do you drive today?
That Tofu and Pot comment made me spit up my drink all over my keyboard, LMAO,
As the power plants convert to cleaner fuels the electric car will improve. The gas car will never improve. There's also a finite amount of oil in the world and we can't keep using it forever... we can generate electricity in some capacity forever.
How much is it worth today?
I sold it back in May for $51k.
sir what do you do for a living?
I make video games
@blgreenstone, in this video you keep misreading kilowatt-hours as kilowatts, making the relevant sentences into nonsense.
Do you still have your Karma?
Alas, no :( I sold it when the company was about to go bankrupt, but I miss it a lot.
If you cab afford this car then gas prices aren't your main concern..... Money isn't your main concern neither
i would buy a tesla costs less and runs for 300 miles before it runs out of charge..
to spend 100k on a car that can't go for longer than 42 miles is simply stupid.
8:50 Brian: in ten years Texas will have continued to shift further away from coal.
Trump: Hold my beer...
Don't sell this as good looking, please no. It looks like a snobbish study from 2002.
Fisker Karma is not electric vehicle. It is extended range EV. It has ICE that is rarely used. BTW, 2L engine is way too big for range extension. 50kW engine is more or less maximum as using it at 50% load is the best and 25kW is enough.
BTW Karma battery will not last 100 000 miles if it is cycled more than 60% of allowed rate. So not more that 30 miles. Many of us make 35-50 miles per day. That way after 100 000 miles there will be about 60-70% capacity left. This will speed up degredation even more. So 100 000 will degrade it about in half. Tesla has 4x bigger battery but it still will lose more than 10% in 7-8 years.
Yes, battery degradation is a major issue. I have 16k miles on my car and the battery is still perfectly fine with no degradation so far, but eventually it'll show. This should have 80% capacity after 100k miles, so we'll see. Either way, this still beats the pants off driving a gas powered car.
*****
Jep. Gasoline is junk. I'm a student and I own a BMW 5-series 2001. I can get 55MPG combined and 60MPG (calm highway). 0-60MPH= 7.9sec. As soon as I have funds I will switch to electric (from Diesel).
Brian. If you want to minimize degradation NEVER keep charge level out of 20%-80% gap for days and NEVER keep lithium chemistry out of 5F-115F degree gap for hours. Ignoring these on daily basis will result in degradation up to 20-30% per year/20 000 miles (similar to laptop battery - uncontrolled cycling depth and temperature).
Arnis Tarassu Your statement is a complete bulshit. How can an e39 530d make 60mpg? Your numbers are even better than the official Bmw consumption. I own several e39 diesel and I can say clearly that you make maximum 30-35 mpg.
If I put $4 gas in a car that gets 20 mpg, the cost per mile is 20 cents.
To make it apples to apples, I would depreciate the existing battery pack cost over the projected time-distance lifespan. Obtaining existing pricing is rather difficult, but assume 3000 Fiskers, divided by the $50 million, A123 said the battery recall cost them, would place a pack around $16k, or 16 cents per mile. Toyota paid Tesla $60 million for batteries in 2600 RAV4’s, which is around $23k per unit in 2012.