Great video. I play the Cobra F9 one length irons(personally going to the one length irons my handicap went from 18 to 11.6-12) and the shaft on my sand wedge cracked and splintered so I went and got fitted for the one length dark speed irons even though I am only buying the sand wedge the fitting detailed what I need when I go with the rest of the set. If anyone was considering one lenght irons they should go try them. Consistent ball position is a game changer. As far as distance I am 64;years old and hit the 7 iron 160 yds and the sand wedge 100 yds. No distance loss compared to my old Mizzuno’s. I did hit the dark speed one lenght iron 5 yards further on average and hit one 174. These irons go along way and nice feel.
Adding Joe to the staff was a great decision. For this review, I appreciate that he gave credence to being open-minded to brands. It points out that we've never had so many good choices in clubs.
I'm a high handicapper. Last year I shot as low as 90 and as high as 119 on an easy course. Even at my level I can appreciate the feel of one of my well struck Mizunos!
I don't think hitting a 7 iron 190 yards is evidence you are in the game improvement crowd. You need old guys to hit those clubs. We are the ones who move to those types of irons.
I'm using the Cobra Radspeed and have no plans to change. If I had to pick one from this test it would be the WIlson - because it made a solid performance here and I'm cheap. Really, the Wilson is just over HALF the price of the Ping and Titleist making it the value king.
I was buying new irons for this season and it was between the T350 and the PXG Gen 6. After hitting them both extensively, I choose the PXG Gen 6. A truly great club.
I got fitted for clubs last week and I hit majority of all these irons but I kept going back to the AI Smoke. It just stood out and felt the best! Can’t wait for them to come in so I can tryin the course!
Considering the ridiculous price of the titleist and that the performance is virtually on par with a Wilson Dynapower and the best value that the Wilson brand offers, I think it’s a clear winner. Why would you pay all that money for one or 2 yards more distance when the Wilson offers everything on the table for a fraction of the price? The dark speed is OK but compared with all others.
Well they are expensive the Titleist is 2 full degrees less lofted and still 2 yds farther carry??? That's actually fairly substantial when you go spec for spec but Wilson makes a damn nice and much more affordable iron and truthfully their blades are most years the sexiest clubs on the market
I would agree with performance and overall pick. I was fitted for the Darkspeed irons and it gives me such protection on those right shots. I agree with the way the look from the top. That darker color does make the top line look small and I do like that it looks like it has less offset. And they really do look so slick. Close second for me was the T350,
@@andybt3989 mine have a few marks but not any worse than my old M6 irons which marks badly too. I did hit my 7 iron on a bolt holding down the mat at a driving range and nicked the bottom towards the heel. Doesn’t look great but it’s not horrible either. I figure any golf club that impacts the ground and dirty golf balls will get marks.
I play the i230s but every time I hit the G430s, I wonder why they aren't in my bag. I've tried game improvement irons before and had trouble stopping them on greens, but the Ping spins.
Let’s put this video into perspective. This is one man’s opinion. You are not him , so may I suggest that when you get prepared to purchase your clubs , you swing these clubs and then let the clubs pick you . The clubs will tell you which ones are designated for your game.
You've GOT to try the Honma TR21x. I've got the JPX 921 pros on 950 GH S shafts and PXG Gen5 0311Ts on Project X LZ S shafts. I put SteelFiber 110CW S on the TR21x heads, and they are the most phenomonal feeling, bar none, that I've ever hit. Dispersion is about what I get from the 921 Hot Metals, and a little wider than the PXGs... and I don't care a whit!
So difficult to go apples for apples with these considering the varying degrees of loft??? I Hit them all for hours a few days ago and what I found to he the best overall were the Ping G430 with incredible feel/sound and dispersion and the 923 Hot Metals. So you said the ball was so long and powerful on the Cobras?? Well it is a yard longer than the Ping but is also 1.5° stronger loft. So the ball speed is lower in the Ping than most but it's also got the highest degree of loft and carries farther than most??? Its all really tough but I feel that industry wide the push was to get these clubs into a smaller and more traditional profile and although they all look great it will be interesting with them being smaller with less offset if they actually help the target audience??? Great breakdown and iam not sure where you are but man is that a beautiful backdrop
fairly new to the game, and my 7 iron is only 125 yds.. 190 would be a dream. playing my cobra speed zones, for now. a joke of numbers I know, but one thing is certain.. I will choke most ppl out, on the mat in under 20 seconds all a matter of time spent in your sport. thx for the vid
This is not my photo. I have been playing Callaway x-22s for 15 years and got down to the low 70s with them as a part time, weekend golfer.. My driver distance is good, so is my fairway woods and hybrids, but my long irons are shorter. So I am thinking it’s shaft weight b eing 105 grams on my long irons. I looked at all the clubs here and really wanted to like Stealth….but I like compact heads better. I liked the way the original Air X cobra irons felt……but of the new ones….I liked Paradign smoke…..older Apex……but in the Titleist, I like the 150 heads……much more than t-350. I like the Srixon , but they are expensive and the players Titliests have heavy shafts, not lighter. I like Mizunos….too……but what I am considering doing, is putting True Temper AMT shafts in my x 22 Callaway irons, so the short irons are heavier……so I don’t pull them…..and the 5 and 6 irons are lighter. And I bought Tommy Armour irons from Dick’s sporting goods, on sale for $299. They actually have more compact and less offset heads than my Callaway x 22 irons…….and if I don’t love the new irons. I decided paying a lot less for irons I don’t love but don’t dislike is better. Darkspeed stock shafts turned me off……I didn’t like it enough to pay for better shafts// I still am thinking Takomo golf or PXG, but I think the AMT blacks would work to still use my old clubs, as I transition to 85 gram shafts in the future. I turn 64 years old next week…..and got to a point where I almost always break 70 in golf…..by eliminate errors, hitting fairways……and getting good at chipping and pitching and putting. I am a good putting day away from breaking 70, but I don’t play that often and still need help with the clubs
Not understanding why these irons are for "mid to high handicappers." I'm a 7.2 hdcp, and play the Callaway Rogue ST Max OS irons. I hit them where I want them to go. I love the feel of them. I can draw, fade, punch, flight them, etc. Not sure why they're marketed to high handicappers. They just make golf more fun. I used to play blades. Nope. I like these more.
Hey Joe, I lliked the review. Different golfers have different biases on every category. I tend to go with fitters recommendation, but I am a bit of a brand snob!
Thanks for the video. I like that you have carry distance, but something I would like to see is total distance. I want something with more stopping power around the green and I can’t see that from your video
It completely depends what you’re looking for. If it’s simply launch, spin and height then yeah. However I factored in everything such as workability, performance from different lies etc. Golf isn’t all about launch monitor data, there’s more to it than that 👍
I wished you touched on the feel of the Titliest T350 which you noted earlier in your clip that it as your favorite. I was always curious how the feel of that iron was in your expert opinion.
You’re right Paul, it’s not for everyone but it performs well. DarkSpeed will work well for most speeds in my opinion. While strong lofted, they launch well so slower speeds wonts struggle in my opinion 😊
What's the best bang for buck/budget game improvement Iron set folks?. I'm not concerned which brand as I'm returning to golf after 12 years and don't want to spend a bomb. I'm looking at getting best value for the money with feel distance and forgiveness .Thanks in advance.
T350 and dynapower were the two best iron sets I hit. Virtually no difference after hitting 8 of these 10 irons on this list. Those 2 stood out on the data. I let price be the determining factor for my personal choice.
So is anyone ever going to let high handicap golfers hit GI clubs on the range and find out what they think? Do you think it’s helpful for a 20+ watch a single digit golfer tell us which GI club we should hit
I went for a recent fitting and yes Titleist T-350 & T-200 ( mix ) was my first choice in the category golf improvement ( not getting any heights) before getting on the dance floor. Oh boboy ! Was Greatly Disappointed with capital G / D….🥴, not the quality sound and no butter feeling at all. Even if I’m a 17 handicap the T-200 felt better. Tried TM Stealth HD😢, Big Bertha B-23 😢, That’s the side affect of big push’s by those pedlars called > they’re polluting the web. Anyway I picked to my surprise Callaway Smoke Paradym HL irons irons 6- aW ( gap W ), Ping G-430 LST 9* set at 10.5*, fairway woods : Max3-D H , Max D 7&11 Happy choice. ErEf
I wish people would review these correctly as whom they are intended for . Mid to high handicapper do not swing at that speed. Do not have a 3 to 4 down attack . If you went to 80 to 85. -1 to 2 attack angle and probably a lot of slightly fat and thin shots . Spin . Peak height and decent would be unusable on golf course
I appreciate your point Colin, but I feel I have taught, fitted and played with so many people that these are intended for that I can make a pretty good call on what will work in this category. I see where you are coming from though 👍
for players with an average swing speed would you recommend stopping at the 6 or even 7 iron with the Darkspeed as they would not have the speed to launch 6 and 5 irons at 24 and 21 degrees. Carry distance and decent angles would be very low. i thnk a better option would be a blended set. Maybe Srixon ZX4 - 6 to 8 iron and ZX5 - 9 to Gap wedge. You get all the forgiveness in the long irons and feel and control in the short irons. so much more useful even for a high handicapper
All this noise (hype) about using AI to determine where the ball strikes are in these thousands of real golfers shots, makes me wonder what on earth was the approach they were using previously. Were they just focusing on center strikes and therefore ignoring those that weren't therefore favouring perfection over forgiveness?
Why Does Callaway always use the shiny metal look on their irons personal preference? I do not like that. The sun reflects so hard off of that and bright.
@@joeferguson8911 It’s a setting, just like loft. Saying that a bias is a performance characteristic is like saying that right-handed is a performance characteristic. I
Ok, I understand your point, but to me CG location would be the setting and the flight bias would be the performance characteristic that creates. All down to interpretation I guess. Thanks for watching 👍
I enjoy your reviews Joe, but to select a best GI iron based on your fast swing (which is great by the way), is flawed. Very few of the people who would potentially look to buy these clubs will have your speed, so won’t generate enough launch, spin or descent angle.
Have a look at video by New Nine Golf. In the latest video he fits his 18 handicap, 60 odd year old dad for new irons. Not all the clubs mentioned here are on show, but some of them are, and the results are interesting.
@@geoffhiggins742 yeah I already watched it. Annoyed he didn’t try the extra light graphite shaft on the Mizuno HL’s. They might have gone further then and ended up in the bag
Looks are subjective but that cheap plastic badge in the back of the Titleist is unforgivable. You can see its attracted deep scratches already. Fine if you change your irons every other year but not great if you plan on keeping them for a decade.
Strong lofts indeed, but the launch is still there. It’s not all about data either… I try to take a holistic approach and factor in everything including feel, looks, workability etc. All subjective though and everyone will have their own opinion, this is only mine!😬
…and it depends what you are looking for if Ping wins the data battle too… If it’s launch and spin then yeah, that would be a great option. We all value and need different features 👍
TM not even in the top 6 of peak height, spin or carry! ALL of those qualities in a game improvement iron are critical!. TM pay for this vid or what? And the Cobra is a 6 iron loft on most golf sets on this planet with low spin, low launch. Lets just say this is your fav irons vid and not an everyday mans game improvement comparison test!
Ok swinging at tour speed but this is the game improvement category. No consideration for the people that will most likely be using these clubs. I hate to critique but this review needs improvement!
As I said in the intro Danny, I’d already narrowed it down to the best of what I’ve tested. Is there anything in particular you wanted to see that wasn’t in there?
I took up golf in the 1980's when a 6 iron had about 30° of loft.Manufacturers have lowered the lofts over the years, so that a 7 iron is now closer to a 5 iron back then.Of course the ball goes further, but we now have to buy a gap wedge because the pitching wedges have too big a gap between them and the sand iron. Good business and more profits for the manufacturers..
Wow! Best review this year Joe on untuned very thorough and extremely interesting. I’m trying various irons in this category and lucky enough to be testing at my club and also manufacturers days at my club. So far tested G430, Callaway smoke, Qi, and T 350. My favourite so far the T350 fabulous looks and feel and the numbers really stacked up. I like tungsten I’m a big fan and this iron has nearly 100 g double any competitor and it’s forged only Srixon ZX4 also forged. Downside price I suppose but would like to test Cobra and Wilson as you know I’m a big fan of Wilson and that price is a bargain today. Interesting to know that Wilson will be bringing out the Dynapwr forged iron. So hope you will test that one! Once again fabulous review Joe really enjoy your reviews always fun but detailed.
I either have a set of some of these or ordered a 7 iron for testing. I have to strongly disagree with your top performers based on spin numbers. This is one of my biggest issues with game improvement irons when it comes to holding greens, especially during the warmer months of the year when the greens become firm. I agree that the JPX923 have the nicest feel, but unfortunately for me, I did not get the performance some of the others provided. I was also not able to get good performance from the Darkspeed. This may be that I just don't have the swing speed to get the performance that you saw. For me, the best performers are the G430, Titleist T350, and Callaway AI Smoke. I play the 350 and G430 interchangeably at home and have a set of the Callaway AI Smoke HL's at our home in Palm Springs. Switching between these sets is quite easy because the performance is so similar. If I had to pick just one, it would probably be the Titleist T350's because they just have such great balance and feel. Appreciate the video.
I enjoy reviews like this, especially when they're for regular golfers. Cobra makes good clubs.
Great video. I play the Cobra F9 one length irons(personally going to the one length irons my handicap went from 18 to 11.6-12) and the shaft on my sand wedge cracked and splintered so I went and got fitted for the one length dark speed irons even though I am only buying the sand wedge the fitting detailed what I need when I go with the rest of the set. If anyone was considering one lenght irons they should go try them. Consistent ball position is a game changer. As far as distance I am 64;years old and hit the 7 iron 160 yds and the sand wedge 100 yds. No distance loss compared to my old Mizzuno’s. I did hit the dark speed one lenght iron 5 yards further on average and hit one 174. These irons go along way and nice feel.
Adding Joe to the staff was a great decision. For this review, I appreciate that he gave credence to being open-minded to brands. It points out that we've never had so many good choices in clubs.
Wilson Dynapower are fantastic!
Yeah, strong product and well priced 👌
I'm a high handicapper. Last year I shot as low as 90 and as high as 119 on an easy course. Even at my level I can appreciate the feel of one of my well struck Mizunos!
What a wonderful place to shoot this video. Stunning views ! Great review, well done.
I’ve been to Madeira a couple of times but didn’t realize how beautiful the interior landscape was.
I have received my Wilson Staff Dynapwr forged 5-GW and can say im over the moon with them.
I don't think hitting a 7 iron 190 yards is evidence you are in the game improvement crowd. You need old guys to hit those clubs. We are the ones who move to those types of irons.
I'm using the Cobra Radspeed and have no plans to change. If I had to pick one from this test it would be the WIlson - because it made a solid performance here and I'm cheap. Really, the Wilson is just over HALF the price of the Ping and Titleist making it the value king.
Not a mention for the two cleveland options? Seem to perform well for a sharp price
Feel = mizuno jpx 923 hot metal. Never in doubt. Love them 🔥🔥
I was buying new irons for this season and it was between the T350 and the PXG Gen 6. After hitting them both extensively, I choose the PXG Gen 6. A truly great club.
I got fitted for clubs last week and I hit majority of all these irons but I kept going back to the AI Smoke. It just stood out and felt the best! Can’t wait for them to come in so I can tryin the course!
Nothing is better looking in the category than the Srixon ZX4 mkII.
Considering the ridiculous price of the titleist and that the performance is virtually on par with a Wilson Dynapower and the best value that the Wilson brand offers, I think it’s a clear winner. Why would you pay all that money for one or 2 yards more distance when the Wilson offers everything on the table for a fraction of the price? The dark speed is OK but compared with all others.
yea was thinking the same after seeing the stats and I think they look better than most of the clubs on that list
This is why mygolfspy is so great for reviews often the difference between 1st place rated club and 5th or even 10th is maybe 10% overall performance.
Well they are expensive the Titleist is 2 full degrees less lofted and still 2 yds farther carry??? That's actually fairly substantial when you go spec for spec but Wilson makes a damn nice and much more affordable iron and truthfully their blades are most years the sexiest clubs on the market
I went for the dynapower irons 5-GW and added the Wilson staff wedges and absolutely love them
I hit the dynapower Tuesday after going to check out the CB. Can confirm really great iron. Ended up falling in love with the dynapower forged.
Tried em all. Got fit into G430s 6 weeks ago best decision I ever made. Peeled off 11 strokes from my game. Very happy.
I would agree with performance and overall pick. I was fitted for the Darkspeed irons and it gives me such protection on those right shots. I agree with the way the look from the top. That darker color does make the top line look small and I do like that it looks like it has less offset. And they really do look so slick. Close second for me was the T350,
I saw another review of the Darkspeed irons and they were marking badly after only a few hits.
@@andybt3989 mine have a few marks but not any worse than my old M6 irons which marks badly too. I did hit my 7 iron on a bolt holding down the mat at a driving range and nicked the bottom towards the heel. Doesn’t look great but it’s not horrible either. I figure any golf club that impacts the ground and dirty golf balls will get marks.
I've not seen you're videos before , really enjoyed you're down to earth approach and honesty! Look forward to future tests and comparisons ! Thanks 😊
Great review Joe very comprehensive on attributes, specification and costs.
I play the i230s but every time I hit the G430s, I wonder why they aren't in my bag. I've tried game improvement irons before and had trouble stopping them on greens, but the Ping spins.
Those mizuno’s… they’re far and away the best looking wow
I am a 5 handicap but I love forgiving irons, they can be for anyone! I have worn out my Apex DCBs
good video with lots of good info ! I really like the various categories . keep up the great work.
7 handicap, 60 years old but can't play blades,got Callaway Rogue X irons,amazing irons,strong lofts
Joe does a great job. So much better than “some of the other staff”….
Let’s put this video into perspective. This is one man’s opinion. You are not him , so may I suggest that when you get prepared to purchase your clubs , you swing these clubs and then let the clubs pick you . The clubs will tell you which ones are designated for your game.
You've GOT to try the Honma TR21x. I've got the JPX 921 pros on 950 GH S shafts and PXG Gen5 0311Ts on Project X LZ S shafts. I put SteelFiber 110CW S on the TR21x heads, and they are the most phenomonal feeling, bar none, that I've ever hit. Dispersion is about what I get from the 921 Hot Metals, and a little wider than the PXGs... and I don't care a whit!
Another good video from Joe - some of the lofts are scary low, so not for me
Totally agree with your take on the strong iron lofts. These days I have to hit a 6 hybrid if I want any air under my shots!
Cobra has designed great clubs for a long time. Can't wait to try my new Palm Tree Crew X driver.
Buy the wilsons at a much cheaper price that does the same job
So difficult to go apples for apples with these considering the varying degrees of loft??? I Hit them all for hours a few days ago and what I found to he the best overall were the Ping G430 with incredible feel/sound and dispersion and the 923 Hot Metals. So you said the ball was so long and powerful on the Cobras?? Well it is a yard longer than the Ping but is also 1.5° stronger loft. So the ball speed is lower in the Ping than most but it's also got the highest degree of loft and carries farther than most??? Its all really tough but I feel that industry wide the push was to get these clubs into a smaller and more traditional profile and although they all look great it will be interesting with them being smaller with less offset if they actually help the target audience??? Great breakdown and iam not sure where you are but man is that a beautiful backdrop
fairly new to the game, and my 7 iron is only 125 yds.. 190 would be a dream. playing my cobra speed zones, for now.
a joke of numbers I know, but one thing is certain..
I will choke most ppl out, on the mat in under 20 seconds
all a matter of time spent in your sport.
thx for the vid
wish you would have included the PXG 0311 Gen 5 or 6. was really wanting to know how they tacked up against the Ping. great video
I had actually never heard of cobra before found a nice driver in fb marketplace and loved it. Def gonna have to check out the irons now 😂
I just purchased the stealths last summer. They crush.
The Cobra Darkspeed irons look nice with the charcoal finish.
Adams Idea. Best bang for the $
This is not my photo. I have been playing Callaway x-22s for 15 years and got down to the low 70s with them as a part time, weekend golfer.. My driver distance is good, so is my fairway woods and hybrids, but my long irons are shorter. So I am thinking it’s shaft weight b eing 105 grams on my long irons. I looked at all the clubs here and really wanted to like Stealth….but I like compact heads better. I liked the way the original Air X cobra irons felt……but of the new ones….I liked Paradign smoke…..older Apex……but in the Titleist, I like the 150 heads……much more than t-350. I like the Srixon , but they are expensive and the players Titliests have heavy shafts, not lighter. I like Mizunos….too……but what I am considering doing, is putting True Temper AMT shafts in my x 22 Callaway irons, so the short irons are heavier……so I don’t pull them…..and the 5 and 6 irons are lighter. And I bought Tommy Armour irons from Dick’s sporting goods, on sale for $299. They actually have more compact and less offset heads than my Callaway x 22 irons…….and if I don’t love the new irons. I decided paying a lot less for irons I don’t love but don’t dislike is better. Darkspeed stock shafts turned me off……I didn’t like it enough to pay for better shafts// I still am thinking Takomo golf or PXG, but I think the AMT blacks would work to still use my old clubs, as I transition to 85 gram shafts in the future. I turn 64 years old next week…..and got to a point where I almost always break 70 in golf…..by eliminate errors, hitting fairways……and getting good at chipping and pitching and putting. I am a good putting day away from breaking 70, but I don’t play that often and still need help with the clubs
Wonder what the difference carbon shafts could do to increase the spin for the darkspeed. Big cobra fan myself
Joe the pro! Thanks for your info as I’m in the market for some new game improvement irons
The Ben Hogan irons are some of the best looking irons there are!
Haha it's Joe the pro!!
Yeah it is!!👊🏻
Not understanding why these irons are for "mid to high handicappers." I'm a 7.2 hdcp, and play the Callaway Rogue ST Max OS irons. I hit them where I want them to go. I love the feel of them. I can draw, fade, punch, flight them, etc. Not sure why they're marketed to high handicappers. They just make golf more fun. I used to play blades. Nope. I like these more.
Hey Joe,
I lliked the review. Different golfers have different biases on every category. I tend to go with fitters recommendation, but I am a bit of a brand snob!
En el momento en que vi el bolso kislux , supe que tenía que tenerlo.
Thanks for the video. I like that you have carry distance, but something I would like to see is total distance. I want something with more stopping power around the green and I can’t see that from your video
The Ping wins easily in the ‘Performance’ section . It shows in the Data and outperforms the Cobra !
It completely depends what you’re looking for. If it’s simply launch, spin and height then yeah. However I factored in everything such as workability, performance from different lies etc. Golf isn’t all about launch monitor data, there’s more to it than that 👍
Ping are always a contender.
I wished you touched on the feel of the Titliest T350 which you noted earlier in your clip that it as your favorite. I was always curious how the feel of that iron was in your expert opinion.
Such a pity that Ping designed the G430 to look like a spanner! 😂. For which swing speed is the Darkspeed the winner ?
You’re right Paul, it’s not for everyone but it performs well. DarkSpeed will work well for most speeds in my opinion. While strong lofted, they launch well so slower speeds wonts struggle in my opinion 😊
Love Titleist T350 irons
G’Day Joe, another great review. Keep them coming.
Funny takomo isn’t included cause they are half the price but just as good in performance if not better.
And what happens with Takomo irons?
Looking at the comp table, does not feel like a high handicap swing speed😊
Would have like to see the PXG 0311 XP gen6 in this comparison.
Another good review from Joe.
I thought the ai smoke looked great but ill stick with my p770s
XXIO should be part of your test
All dat kislux bags sssssoooooooo gorgeous
titleist t350/200 hybrid set. Nothing comes close to it.
It isn’t a none biased review , who paid the most ?
Was it a flash auction on the highest bidder
What's the best bang for buck/budget game improvement Iron set folks?. I'm not concerned which brand as I'm returning to golf after 12 years and don't want to spend a bomb. I'm looking at getting best value for the money with feel distance and forgiveness .Thanks in advance.
Wilson dynapwr, i am between those and ai smoke. The value to performance can’t be beat so I think imma got with Wilson.
T350 and dynapower were the two best iron sets I hit. Virtually no difference after hitting 8 of these 10 irons on this list. Those 2 stood out on the data. I let price be the determining factor for my personal choice.
G430?
Why are the Tour Edge 723E irons not in the mix?
I don’t miss a day a week kislux This show..
So is anyone ever going to let high handicap golfers hit GI clubs on the range and find out what they think? Do you think it’s helpful for a 20+ watch a single digit golfer tell us which GI club we should hit
Hard to agree with your performance findings. 90 ft height and 5k spin means you better be hitting into a mud pond if you want to hold the surface.
In Australia -
Dynapower = $90 each
T350 = $320 each
🤔
Wow
I went for a recent fitting and yes Titleist T-350 & T-200 ( mix ) was my first choice in the category golf improvement ( not getting any heights) before getting on the dance floor. Oh boboy ! Was Greatly Disappointed with capital G / D….🥴, not the quality sound and no butter feeling at all. Even if I’m a 17 handicap the T-200 felt better. Tried TM Stealth HD😢, Big Bertha B-23 😢, That’s the side affect of big push’s by those pedlars called > they’re polluting the web.
Anyway I picked to my surprise Callaway Smoke Paradym HL irons irons 6- aW ( gap W ), Ping G-430 LST 9* set at 10.5*, fairway woods : Max3-D H , Max D 7&11
Happy choice.
ErEf
I wish people would review these correctly as whom they are intended for . Mid to high handicapper do not swing at that speed. Do not have a 3 to 4 down attack . If you went to 80 to 85. -1 to 2 attack angle and probably a lot of slightly fat and thin shots . Spin . Peak height and decent would be unusable on golf course
I appreciate your point Colin, but I feel I have taught, fitted and played with so many people that these are intended for that I can make a pretty good call on what will work in this category. I see where you are coming from though 👍
for players with an average swing speed would you recommend stopping at the 6 or even 7 iron with the Darkspeed as they would not have the speed to launch 6 and 5 irons at 24 and 21 degrees. Carry distance and decent angles would be very low. i thnk a better option would be a blended set. Maybe Srixon ZX4 - 6 to 8 iron and ZX5 - 9 to Gap wedge. You get all the forgiveness in the long irons and feel and control in the short irons. so much more useful even for a high handicapper
@1:13 my wife describing my little guy.
All this noise (hype) about using AI to determine where the ball strikes are in these thousands of real golfers shots, makes me wonder what on earth was the approach they were using previously. Were they just focusing on center strikes and therefore ignoring those that weren't therefore favouring perfection over forgiveness?
Why Does Callaway always use the shiny metal look on their irons personal preference? I do not like that. The sun reflects so hard off of that and bright.
Wear sunglasses 😮
Im at the golf store anyone have any ideas for a set
What does draw bias have to do with "performance." I don't think that the word "performance" means what you think it does.
Draw bias is a performance characteristic 👍
@@joeferguson8911 It most certainly is not.
What would you describe draw bias as then Marcus?
@@joeferguson8911 It’s a setting, just like loft. Saying that a bias is a performance characteristic is like saying that right-handed is a performance characteristic. I
Ok, I understand your point, but to me CG location would be the setting and the flight bias would be the performance characteristic that creates. All down to interpretation I guess. Thanks for watching 👍
I enjoy your reviews Joe, but to select a best GI iron based on your fast swing (which is great by the way), is flawed. Very few of the people who would potentially look to buy these clubs will have your speed, so won’t generate enough launch, spin or descent angle.
Have a look at video by New Nine Golf. In the latest video he fits his 18 handicap, 60 odd year old dad for new irons. Not all the clubs mentioned here are on show, but some of them are, and the results are interesting.
@@geoffhiggins742 yeah I already watched it. Annoyed he didn’t try the extra light graphite shaft on the Mizuno HL’s. They might have gone further then and ended up in the bag
Im sorry but the highest bidder won this, Cleveland ziocore was in the top 3 of almost every category and didnt even get a mention. Rubbish
Looks are subjective but that cheap plastic badge in the back of the Titleist is unforgivable. You can see its attracted deep scratches already. Fine if you change your irons every other year but not great if you plan on keeping them for a decade.
No Takomo 101’s?
Fortunately 😂
Why does bro look high when he was making this
Professional golfer testing doesn’t work for me.
Give me a set of Tour edge irons for $ 400 less any day
The stats for these clubs are useless no high handicapper will hit them like you?
Taylor Made all day long!!!!!!
Looking at the data the ping won by a mile. The cobra has 27 degree of loft? Are you kidding me, would not go near it.
Strong lofts indeed, but the launch is still there. It’s not all about data either… I try to take a holistic approach and factor in everything including feel, looks, workability etc. All subjective though and everyone will have their own opinion, this is only mine!😬
…and it depends what you are looking for if Ping wins the data battle too… If it’s launch and spin then yeah, that would be a great option. We all value and need different features 👍
TM not even in the top 6 of peak height, spin or carry! ALL of those qualities in a game improvement iron are critical!. TM pay for this vid or what? And the Cobra is a 6 iron loft on most golf sets on this planet with low spin, low launch. Lets just say this is your fav irons vid and not an everyday mans game improvement comparison test!
Ok swinging at tour speed but this is the game improvement category. No consideration for the people that will most likely be using these clubs. I hate to critique but this review needs improvement!
The finish on that Cobra is horrid. Thats going to look terrible after a year of use
Not exactly….where are the best. PXG. You left out the best. So you should title it second best irons
27 degrees on a 7 iron! 😂
Those cobras are ugly imo I really like the Mizuno jpx
Don't care much about looks or sound.
Where’s PCG. Bad video
What a joke
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How is that an ultimate guide you haven't gone through all the irons utter rubbish
As I said in the intro Danny, I’d already narrowed it down to the best of what I’ve tested. Is there anything in particular you wanted to see that wasn’t in there?
How was Funchal?😊
Playing the Mizuno JPX Hot Metal High Launch 🇦🇺😊
I took up golf in the 1980's when a 6 iron had about 30° of loft.Manufacturers have lowered the lofts over the years, so that a 7 iron is now closer to a 5 iron back then.Of course the ball goes further, but we now have to buy a gap wedge because the pitching wedges have too big a gap between them and the sand iron.
Good business and more profits for the manufacturers..
Wow! Best review this year Joe on untuned very thorough and extremely interesting. I’m trying various irons in this category and lucky enough to be testing at my club and also manufacturers days at my club. So far tested G430, Callaway smoke, Qi, and T 350.
My favourite so far the T350 fabulous looks and feel and the numbers really stacked up. I like tungsten I’m a big fan and this iron has nearly 100 g double any competitor and it’s forged only Srixon ZX4 also forged. Downside price I suppose but would like to test Cobra and Wilson as you know I’m a big fan of Wilson and that price is a bargain today. Interesting to know that Wilson will be bringing out the Dynapwr forged iron. So hope you will test that one! Once again fabulous review Joe really enjoy your reviews always fun but detailed.
Mizuno and Cobra looks very nice.
Why do you never mention the grips?? To me they are important.
I either have a set of some of these or ordered a 7 iron for testing. I have to strongly disagree with your top performers based on spin numbers. This is one of my biggest issues with game improvement irons when it comes to holding greens, especially during the warmer months of the year when the greens become firm. I agree that the JPX923 have the nicest feel, but unfortunately for me, I did not get the performance some of the others provided. I was also not able to get good performance from the Darkspeed. This may be that I just don't have the swing speed to get the performance that you saw. For me, the best performers are the G430, Titleist T350, and Callaway AI Smoke. I play the 350 and G430 interchangeably at home and have a set of the Callaway AI Smoke HL's at our home in Palm Springs. Switching between these sets is quite easy because the performance is so similar. If I had to pick just one, it would probably be the Titleist T350's because they just have such great balance and feel. Appreciate the video.