The type of coal being used to raise steam is likely a lower quality, causing these spectacular waste emission effects. By comparison, Anthracite coal (high quality) is smokeless; all that smoke and afterburn is impurities. Ships like the Titanic had problems securing good coal; shady coal sellers would charge for high quality coal but then mix crap coal in with the shipment.
@@rcasper4700 Yes, though they could be burning lignite, which China is the #2 producer. Germany is #1 and they use it in their power plants (which in turn, powers their electric trains).
At 2:10 you’ll hear the repetitive “chug a lug” sound like it speeds up and that’s exactly what it’s doing. It lost traction for a second abd you can clearly hear the engine speed up for a few seconds. The power these old steamers were putting to the ground is amazing. You can hear it do it again a couple times around 4:15-4:45
"Sir, we just finished to build one of the most advanced high speed rail systems in the world". "good, and what about the trains that haul coal?" "we're using an old rusty steam engine" "perfect".
There are a total of 6 operational steam locomotives used for actual work in China including this one, and a some preserved for tourism uses, like ones here in America.
@@rickd3777 suprised america had tourism rail tbh we call them heratage rail lines they run a few trains pw across rail lines that are no longer used but have lovely seanery of the english countryside
........... when you're mining coal ....... the "fuel" is right there...... no sense in paying extra "electricity" to haul it .. right? Further more the rail line may change as the mining area move ahead. Just an opinion ya guys.....
The 3rd train coming out of the pit has to be one of the most awesome displays of steam locomotion I have ever seen, it looks like a moving erupting volcano, train number 4 is also a damn impressive sight.
No baby oranges here,but a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night.slipping and sliding,grunting and groaning and slogging all the way in the icy conditions..wonderful,unfogettable display of trainmanship.even the banker is slipping.❤❤❤❤
Milo Flint yep, rural China still uses them as they have yet to fully dieselize. China doesn't like to admit it though as it's an embarrassment on the global stage for a country trying to cut pollution.
The Steam Locos are belonged to the local Coal Mine ，not the China National Railway. All Steam Locos of CNR retired 20yrs ago . But in the Coal Mine Railways they survived because the coal is easy to get (just dig it) while diesel need to be bought from oil companies , so they kept alive to cut the fuel cost
@@EM-fi2qg not quite, the Eastern coast of China at least is starting to undergo a rapid shift as the Government is realizing just how bad the pollution is. There's a reason EV incentives are very strong there, and why Tesla is making their second factory in China. It's a slow process, but China did admit that they want to cut down on pollution.
Jan 15, 2024, JS8089, the last industrial operating steam-powered train in China (maybe even the world) retired. JS8089 was operating in the Sandaoling coal mine.
All steam engines can do this if they are under a heavy load. You just can't see the embers as well at night, and many engines ended up with a screen in the funnel to help catch coal and wood embers. It's essentially the same principle as looking at your chimney at night and seeing sparks and embers that you don't see during the day. They are always there
The UP Big Boys had a crew following them to put out the various grass fires the embers caused on the stretch they pulled freight. Pretty wild to think about in this day and age but it is a real threat in dry and high environments where Big Boy operated. Maybe not so much in humid China and other areas of the world.
Note that the sparks tend to fly when the wheels are slipping - the extra rush of exhaust steam will briefly increase the airflow in the firebox and suck burning embers straight out of the fire.
The steam locos in the US did the same thing back in the day, before the 1950's and 1960's. The tracks of the main line UP tracks had four inches of black cinder ash piled on both sides of the track for maybe 50 feet on each side.
Steam locomotives in Poland in the 1950s had a good-quality coal mixture and ash pan condensation systems, which protected the environment and people from sparks.
It's because it's filled with dirty coal. You mine coal there obviously dirt and other crap mixed with it. So that stuff doesn't burn away and become fuel, it just circulates at high temperatures, scraping up against the insides and each other and spit out the top. They don't waste good or refined coal in those trains because they're supposed to transport the good coal to be sold. These trains are meant to be used and abused.
Whilst it's a truly amazing sight. It's a miracle that no fires were started as this undoubtedly presents a huge 🔥 fire risk in hot dry weather when vegetation becomes tinder dry. Thanks for the video.
This was common in late 19th century / early 20th century U.S.A. which is why there were so many forest fires. In the Northeast, as I'm sure was also true in other areas, many side valleys and hillsides had small logging railroads as well as the mainline railways running through larger valleys so, very little forest area was not exposed to the repeat burnings ...that helped to encourage the development of our oak dominated forest stands.
Maybe that's why Southern Colorado has so many aspen stands. The San Juan mountains were long revered for the minerals in the mountains and now there's huge aspen groves in the high elevation valleys. Since Aspen are the first trees to grow after a stand replacing disturbance in the subalpine like fire, one has to wonder.
This display, while incredible, shows how desperately ill-maintained these steamers are. The coal burning steamers tend to build up ash, especially with the kind of coal that's dug up in Sandaoling. These ashes get collected in the ash pan underneath the firebox and also tend to get caught in the flues, especially when the locomotive is working hard. Standard procedure dictates that the ashes get dumped every 12-24 hrs. and the flues get cleaned about every year or so. With these locomotives sparking the way they are, I'd venture to guess that they almost never get their ash pans dumped as evidenced by the way these "eruptions" occur only when the engineer throws the throttle open and the flues get cleaned very rarely.
tame there are no forced air blowers when a steam locomotive is working... There is a low volume blower for when the train is parked or being lit but after that the draft is directly proportional to how hard the engine is working... The harder it works the more draft...
LeDibeau I agree with you 100% it's nothing like a steam engine running the sound of it and the whistles just like a rain beating on tin roof will put you asleep in no time
Ice patches and or turns. Wheels will naturally bind and slip in tuns due to nature of solid axles and one rail being longer in the radius than the other. Those engineers we great at catching it, especially with it wide-open on those hills.
The loads that engine is working I am pretty sure the draft is too high and the fire is lifting off the grates, tumbling the cinders in the firebox and filling the flues and smokebox with particles. Its not good for the boiler, and the fireman should be taking measures to prevent this from happening. Spark shows do it on purpose though, but you don't spark show an engine that is actually working for real like these are.
Imagine being in the 1800's and not even knowing something like this existed..... And then seeing, hearing, and feeling this monstrosity roar by...... bricks were shat.
Is this just a section with a grade where the locomotive has to work harder? They all start throwing sparks around the same spot. Can't believe they're still using steam engines. Something else to look forward to seeing if I ever get to China!
Well... mixed emotions! I would absolutely love to be in the engine with that going on, but at the same time... scared out of my wits. The engine is right at the very limit of its tractive force, judging by the slippage going on. As long as it doesn’t burn down all the little villages along the way!
Has part of the track been oiled or something to alert the driver hes reached the top of the hill? The trains sound as if there spinning out at a certain stage of each video clip
That must be a huge grade for those locos to be drawing so hard through the firebox!! The fireman would be working like a demon shovelling coal to keep up with what's being lost through the chimney.
exactly. It would be a major waist on the railway's end. Sure the extra steel would be worth something, but what about how much it'll cost to dieselise the entire thing? And the cost for foreign oils to be brought in to power the seizing hunks of metal?
Indeed, mate. Some hero stood in the cold for hours getting this- i have genuinely never seen anything quite like it. Superlative. It's just a shame i can't smell the coal, sulphur and steam oil.
Not so. If anything, steam is still valid as it is easiest to maintain in an area where coal is abundant and oil is scarce, like for example China. Plus, what makes diesel more efficient is their ability to "double up" and go longer distance with more power. China only requires jobs that a single engine can do, which steam engines can do just as well as diesels if not better.
I remember when I was a child, my grandmother took me for a trip in a steam train. She said: "don´t open the window otherwise sparks may enter and go to our eye." I opened the window and a spark came into my eyes. It burned my soul! Fortunatelly no damage happened to my eye, but she throwed a lot of water on my right eye. Everybody in the wagon closed the window after this. The lessons learned is: close the window.
The same happend to my mother, when she was a child in the 1946...... a sparkle hits one of her eyes , when a train drives through our station...... sorry for my bad english, but im german......
Last August I was in Sweden (PFP Relevant) and I was riding one of their heritage railways and they had 100 year old wooden coaches, amazing. And when the loco ran around to the rear of the train to take us back down to the station (They dropped us at this smaller station) you could go out on to the sort of enterance, or like, be able to be openly directly behind this thing with ash and smoke everywhere. On the coach that is.
Having been on a steam train to Barcelona as a child I opened the window just for the rush of air and whatever. Inside of 15 seconds my face was covered with black ash. It was still a blast. Oh, steam trains feel completely different from diesel or electric trains on startup. They have a slow silky acceleration. Memories.
Yep those cinders hurt. We used to have the old 611 steam engine running excursions up to Chattanooga when I was a kid. I got to ride it and they hurt when they get in your eyes for sure.
It did, before the FRA existed. The Plains used to burn for days because of sparks from locomotives. That's why all wood-fired locomotives have a distinctive stack: it's a flame arrestor.
If you get fires sufficiently often, they're always small. The problem in countries where steam running is rare is that when there eventually is a trackside fire, it's a big one.
When i was a kid growing up i remember the steam locomotives coming past and bit further down the line you would hear the fire service had been called to put out the grass fire, haha, maybe this is where the love of steam came from? Then diesels came along, ho hum BORING! They are just a noisy box on wheels.
The coal they use in the loco's in China is typically rice grains in size. It has to be fired wet to give it a chance to 'clag' to the firebed so it isn't just pulled straight thru the tubes. Means there's quite a bit of carry over/sparks that would quickly clog spark arrestors......
So what’s the technical explanation for these unique shots? I.e. all the sparks? Clearly they are not common - or there would be lots of similar vids... What’s different here?
Had heard of it before. It is the only still-running steam train in China I guess? But that place is soooo damn far in the western part.... Oh wish I could have time to go there and take a look
It must be quite a steep upgrade, those Locos are being worked right to the maximum, going by the wheel slippage and the amount of steam injection into the stack to pull a draft.
Steam trains are potentially more environmentally freindly depending of whether it burns coal or wood. Also steam engines have way more torque at lower speeds which allows the engine to turn slower which reduces maintenance. Steam engines also dont idle.
Judging by the stack talk, the grade is significant and the loco is working hard. In addition to wheel spin contributing to live cinder showers, the fireman may be sanding the flues on a repeated basis for maximum efficiency.
exact opposite, this is the way NOT to run a steam engine. This is what happens when too much air is let in, burns coal faster and hotter, uses more water and does not produce the torque needed. This was not a long heavy train, most likely had fire box wide open while dumping in coal. Like flooring an old truck up a hill in 5th gear.
How did he film this,how did he follow,like he jumped ahead three different locations? And high up? I guess he drove and the train was slow? This is the most awsome fire show,talk about a hot locomotive, I bet the smoke box was glowing. I love the fire.
That isn't hypocrisy if they're actively trying to change that, it is stupidity if they think scraping petty amounts of unreliable energy will replace all that, call me Atomic.
Scrubbers still release CO2, that doesn't stop coal miners from dying of black lung or ash sludge from poisoning water supplies. It's called the man tax.
they aren't changing it, quite the contrary, by buying electric cars, rejecting nuclear and subsidizing solar that cannot produce enough electricity to keep up with demand, they are actually forcing countries to use more coal. Germany is now using more coal and having to import electricity from France. Same with California, who now imports 35% of their electricity from coal fired states. It's hypocricy driven by do-gooder NIMBY environuts.
@@madtrucker0983 The coal in this particular mine is a low grade, so it throws sparks like crazy. Even with the good stuff, you're going to get some sparks and embers from burning solid fuel when a steam engine is working hard, the intense draft sucks them off the top of the fire and shoots them through the flues and up the stack. Most solid fuel burning engines have spark arrestors, but you have to strike a balance between quelling the sparks and letting the blast of exhaust steam draw a draft so the fire can burn properly and keep steam up, so a few will always get through. That's why the Union Pacific converted 3985 over to oil, and the Durango and Silverton is doing the same to their steamers, both have set fires from hot embers getting through and sparking off lineside brush.
@@Shipwright1918 You're exactly right. I've ridden in a steam train and had the cinders get in my eyes. It looked cool as hell, but like I said it shouldn't be doing that. At one point it looked like solid flames coming out of that stack. I was thinking the thing was about to blow. 😂
this the only steam train left in china, owned and operated in the side the coal mine, not connect to the state own rails. also heard the train has retired already from last year( not confirmed).
SPECTACULAR. And listen to the occasional wheelslip under heavy load. Those locomotives are being pushed "balls to the walls" with full loads behind them.
Any locomotive can have wheelslip. Modern diesels and electrics have traction control, so wheelslip is minimized. Sanding the rails is done when necessary.
"I don't understand it! We leave the mine with 20 rail-cars full of coal, but when we get to the station, the first 15 rail-cars are full of ashes!"
The type of coal being used to raise steam is likely a lower quality, causing these spectacular waste emission effects. By comparison, Anthracite coal (high quality) is smokeless; all that smoke and afterburn is impurities. Ships like the Titanic had problems securing good coal; shady coal sellers would charge for high quality coal but then mix crap coal in with the shipment.
It's in China, of course it's shit coal
Semi bituminous or bituminous I think your referring to ?
The Reading Railroad burned anthracite in their locomotives, they mined it close to Reading (PA) so it was cheap and plentiful.
@@rcasper4700 Yes, though they could be burning lignite, which China is the #2 producer. Germany is #1 and they use it in their power plants (which in turn, powers their electric trains).
Looks like it’s burning lignite
At 2:10 you’ll hear the repetitive “chug a lug” sound like it speeds up and that’s exactly what it’s doing. It lost traction for a second abd you can clearly hear the engine speed up for a few seconds. The power these old steamers were putting to the ground is amazing. You can hear it do it again a couple times around 4:15-4:45
Ty for the explanation. Was wondering what was causing the sound change.
I would change the first time stamp to 2:05
The second 4:13, 4:28, & 4:44
Extras:
5:24
5:43
@@ossieostrich69 It's not really "speeding up" as much as it is the wheels slipping. Each chug represent a quarter turn of the driving wheels.
"Sir, we just finished to build one of the most advanced high speed rail systems in the world". "good, and what about the trains that haul coal?" "we're using an old rusty steam engine" "perfect".
There are a total of 6 operational steam locomotives used for actual work in China including this one, and a some preserved for tourism uses, like ones here in America.
@@rickd3777 suprised america had tourism rail tbh we call them heratage rail lines they run a few trains pw across rail lines that are no longer used but have lovely seanery of the english countryside
@@joesmith8701 yes
........... when you're mining coal ....... the "fuel" is right there...... no sense in paying extra "electricity" to haul it .. right?
Further more the rail line may change as the mining area move ahead.
Just an opinion ya guys.....
China working hard to meet the emission standards.
U
One small leap for China, One slap to the forehead (with a headshake) for the rest of us.
99% of that is steam
@@stevenmiller5214 Haaaa, that's funny.
@@stevenmiller5214 lol,
"Wheres the coal you were supposed to be hauling?"
"In the the train!"
lol
"See that ashy glaze on the tracks going back 50 miles? There ya' go."
More like in the air
(And on the tracks too)
The chinese made lionel and American Flyer train sets
@@janicemurphy3492 no they didn’t
Good one !
The 3rd train coming out of the pit has to be one of the most awesome displays of steam locomotion I have ever seen, it looks like a moving erupting volcano, train number 4 is also a damn impressive sight.
No baby oranges here,but a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night.slipping and sliding,grunting and groaning and slogging all the way in the icy conditions..wonderful,unfogettable display of trainmanship.even the banker is slipping.❤❤❤❤
I'm delighted to know that steam locomotives are still in service in 2016.
Milo Flint yep, rural China still uses them as they have yet to fully dieselize. China doesn't like to admit it though as it's an embarrassment on the global stage for a country trying to cut pollution.
The Steam Locos are belonged to the local Coal Mine ，not the China National Railway. All Steam Locos of CNR retired 20yrs ago . But in the Coal Mine Railways they survived because the coal is easy to get (just dig it) while diesel need to be bought from oil companies , so they kept alive to cut the fuel cost
@@cpufreak101 I dont think they're trying to cut pollution as much as they are wanting the rest of the world to pick up their slack.
@@EM-fi2qg not quite, the Eastern coast of China at least is starting to undergo a rapid shift as the Government is realizing just how bad the pollution is. There's a reason EV incentives are very strong there, and why Tesla is making their second factory in China. It's a slow process, but China did admit that they want to cut down on pollution.
I'm not, fuck this dirty shit.
Jan 15, 2024, JS8089, the last industrial operating steam-powered train in China (maybe even the world) retired. JS8089 was operating in the Sandaoling coal mine.
It'ｓ sad.
rip
Never seen something so deadly like this, mind blowing footage of the sparks.
Maybe China wants a taste of forest fire.
I wouldn't be surprised if the load was gasoline or dynamite.
All steam engines can do this if they are under a heavy load. You just can't see the embers as well at night, and many engines ended up with a screen in the funnel to help catch coal and wood embers. It's essentially the same principle as looking at your chimney at night and seeing sparks and embers that you don't see during the day. They are always there
@@ClaptonFan91 even exhaust from a gas or diesel engine can throw visible sparks at night
The UP Big Boys had a crew following them to put out the various grass fires the embers caused on the stretch they pulled freight. Pretty wild to think about in this day and age but it is a real threat in dry and high environments where Big Boy operated. Maybe not so much in humid China and other areas of the world.
thats an art right there, made by the train :)
Chinese dragons are real after all.
😂😂😂
Bakan
No
Nation of fire is coming ahahahasjxjd
Now there's a steam engine in DESPERATE need of a spark-arrester! Even so, that's quite pretty!
I am actually wondering, what coal they are using... Or rather... Coal dust?
Note that the sparks tend to fly when the wheels are slipping - the extra rush of exhaust steam will briefly increase the airflow in the firebox and suck burning embers straight out of the fire.
Is that the wheels slipping on the rails when the rate of chugging goes up?
Yes.
Yes Sir
The steam locos in the US did the same thing back in the day, before the 1950's and 1960's. The tracks of the main line UP tracks had four inches of black cinder ash piled on both sides of the track for maybe 50 feet on each side.
Steam locomotives in Poland in the 1950s had a good-quality coal mixture and ash pan condensation systems, which protected the environment and people from sparks.
5:50 looks like something out of a disney movie
Reaver ya
Anastasia was a 20th century fox movie not disney
Like the polar express
Wonder what a mile long coal car fire would look like?
Imagine california , As dry as it gets. The camp fire would have nothing on what kinda tradgedy this thing could pose
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but aren't those sparks an indicator that the flame in the boiler isn't being properly stoked?
It's not been maintained properly for sure
It's because it's filled with dirty coal. You mine coal there obviously dirt and other crap mixed with it. So that stuff doesn't burn away and become fuel, it just circulates at high temperatures, scraping up against the insides and each other and spit out the top. They don't waste good or refined coal in those trains because they're supposed to transport the good coal to be sold. These trains are meant to be used and abused.
China cant even run primitive tech. Thats the problem
Very low quality coal.
@@Sovspot I believe they lack spark catcher inside the engine (in the end of the boiler) because it is more efficient.
I love how china puts safety first.
hahaha
Now corona
The sign at that mine says 'SAFETY 45th"
@@josephastier7421 ha ha
That is why the small coal mines were being shut down.
That looks perfectly safe, with the open rail cars of coal, and all.
Ehh.. the first 15 cars have already been shoveled into the fire box!
Scott M Stolz
Don't worry it's fine that's nothing.
Compared to when that fireworks factory exploded in the middle of a town .
remember this is in CHINA
Yes,perfectly saNothing to worry about hereClean coal is fireproof.
Maybe they don't have another alternative.
Whilst it's a truly amazing sight. It's a miracle that no fires were started as this undoubtedly presents a huge 🔥 fire risk in hot dry weather when vegetation becomes tinder dry. Thanks for the video.
This was common in late 19th century / early 20th century U.S.A. which is why there were so many forest fires. In the Northeast, as I'm sure was also true in other areas, many side valleys and hillsides had small logging railroads as well as the mainline railways running through larger valleys so, very little forest area was not exposed to the repeat burnings ...that helped to encourage the development of our oak dominated forest stands.
Maybe that's why Southern Colorado has so many aspen stands. The San Juan mountains were long revered for the minerals in the mountains and now there's huge aspen groves in the high elevation valleys. Since Aspen are the first trees to grow after a stand replacing disturbance in the subalpine like fire, one has to wonder.
The penchant of steam locos to send sparks flying and ignite farmers' field was important in the development of 19th century tort law in the US.
California needs a train like this.
What, to start a forest fire?
@@glennredwine289 he doesn't mean it like the one in the video. He means a steam engine in general
during the dry season
@@AlecWheelweld I actually like steam trains also, but this one is shooting too many sparks.
@@AlecWheelweld He meant the sparks. He was making a joke about how he wants California to burn.
anybody’s notice sound of slipped wheel?
Several times!
Oh yeah. .
Yes
5:24
Steam engines have a lot of torque!
Some of the best steam and fire shots I have ever seen! Amazing!
Were,,bless,,,..
This display, while incredible, shows how desperately ill-maintained these steamers are. The coal burning steamers tend to build up ash, especially with the kind of coal that's dug up in Sandaoling. These ashes get collected in the ash pan underneath the firebox and also tend to get caught in the flues, especially when the locomotive is working hard. Standard procedure dictates that the ashes get dumped every 12-24 hrs. and the flues get cleaned about every year or so. With these locomotives sparking the way they are, I'd venture to guess that they almost never get their ash pans dumped as evidenced by the way these "eruptions" occur only when the engineer throws the throttle open and the flues get cleaned very rarely.
I don't know what's more unreal. The fact that they still use steam trains , or that someone knows the proper maintenance on them?
I thought it was the forced air blowers and the crap coal "floor sweepings" that are being burnt as fuel
tame there are no forced air blowers when a steam locomotive is working... There is a low volume blower for when the train is parked or being lit but after that the draft is directly proportional to how hard the engine is working... The harder it works the more draft...
@@Emilthehun There are many CHINA, the one with the 500km / hour magnetic levitation trains and steam transport .....
@@sfenodonte real? That's pretty cool. I wonder why not burn lpg instead of whatever is burned here
How beautiful, especially at night - thank you for this video!
My house is made of steel :-)
Nah don't worry. It's right in the middle of the desert.
LeDibeau I agree with you 100% it's nothing like a steam engine running the sound of it and the whistles just like a rain beating on tin roof will put you asleep in no time
are those really sparkes
Drawing
戦時中、東海道線の名古屋→京都間でC57が誤ってC59が牽く予定の軍用列車を単機で牽く羽目になり、定数オーバーした列車を煙突基部を赤熱化させながら牽いたという話があるが、きっと火の粉も降らせたのだろう。
When i see those sparks......
It reminds me of that time James' oil tankers caught fire.
TwistedClown912 that changes a man
with all the fireworks coming out of the stack talk, i'm surprised no one has mentioned some awesome wheelslip on a few of those trains
I was wondering what the hell that was all about. I thought the driver was doing it for some reason I couldn't fathom !
ice patches or just too much force on the wheels and they spun out. Not uncommon at all when pulling very heavy loads.
Ice patches and or turns. Wheels will naturally bind and slip in tuns due to nature of solid axles and one rail being longer in the radius than the other. Those engineers we great at catching it, especially with it wide-open on those hills.
The loads that engine is working I am pretty sure the draft is too high and the fire is lifting off the grates, tumbling the cinders in the firebox and filling the flues and smokebox with particles. Its not good for the boiler, and the fireman should be taking measures to prevent this from happening. Spark shows do it on purpose though, but you don't spark show an engine that is actually working for real like these are.
Yesh, I noticed that. Probably icing on the tracks.
can't remember the last time I seen something this beautiful thanks for uploading
Imagine being in the 1800's and not even knowing something like this existed..... And then seeing, hearing, and feeling this monstrosity roar by...... bricks were shat.
Ima Tumor sitting here watching firebreathing trains at 1am amd i have to say i laughed out loud when i read this
Oh fiddle faddle! Mary-Beth get the kids!
See Leo Marx' The Machine in the Garden.
...lawn chair and popcorn time
I'd imagine the presence of two shiny rails would provide them with a presage that something wicked this way comes.
This has gotta be the most epic trains video I'll ever see.
Wow thats the longest coal tender I've seen behind a steam engine! 😉
its the Bipolar Express
You just won the internet for the month.
Lel very good
If I could give you 1000 thumbs up for that comment I would lmfao
Hahahahahahahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How much for a ticket
Amazing when it loses traction and suddenly revs!
Sounds like new years eve!!
Silly question, but when the rhythm of the loco increases is that him losing traction on the rails?
Yes, engine 'runs away' until throttle gets notched back some.
@@BeltFedSelfDefense Wheel Slip I Believe It's Called
Wheel slip, you back off the power and then try again, same as you would in a car.
@@josephastier7421 Except on a much grander scale with the weight of several houses in tow.
@@josephastier7421 my car does that a lot. Damn nissan transmissions.
Is this just a section with a grade where the locomotive has to work harder? They all start throwing sparks around the same spot. Can't believe they're still using steam engines. Something else to look forward to seeing if I ever get to China!
Is it just me, or is that like the MOST Heavy Metal sight ever filmed?
Look for vids of the Big Boy Pacific locomotive. A classic restored engine that makes limited runs - plenty of modern hi-def pics.
It is, and I know metal
Just need some Crazy Train to go with this
@@eligebrown8998 Or some Saxon Princess of the Night!
@@RipRoaringGarage i havent heard that song in 20 years. I forgot about that song.
Well... mixed emotions! I would absolutely love to be in the engine with that going on, but at the same time... scared out of my wits. The engine is right at the very limit of its tractive force, judging by the slippage going on. As long as it doesn’t burn down all the little villages along the way!
Fantastic Video. Thank you for standing in the cold to film this.
And greetings from east frisia
This must be the source of the gold dust that Mr. Conductor always talks about!! XD
This is amazing btw!!!!
Has part of the track been oiled or something to alert the driver hes reached the top of the hill? The trains sound as if there spinning out at a certain stage of each video clip
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That must be a huge grade for those locos to be drawing so hard through the firebox!! The fireman would be working like a demon shovelling coal to keep up with what's being lost through the chimney.
Aaron Draper yeah I’ve never seen this shit before... maybe this loco is close to end days.?
That's why there were 5 or six supplemental tender cars behind it.... heheheh
They have an auger or screw feed for supplying coal to the firebox. That being said, they are blowing their fire right out the stack.
Mr Cabot trust me this is nothing compared to what imperialist england / colonizing usa have done
@@LeventDV IT'S 2018 YOU DUMBSHIT. MODERNIZE AND CLEAN UP.
Well it was bound to happen. I finally envy something about China.
Steam locomotive era is alive and well there!
not rly anymore they are scrapping steam slowly. veeery bad decision :(
exactly. It would be a major waist on the railway's end. Sure the extra steel would be worth something, but what about how much it'll cost to dieselise the entire thing? And the cost for foreign oils to be brought in to power the seizing hunks of metal?
Indeed, mate. Some hero stood in the cold for hours getting this- i have genuinely never seen anything quite like it. Superlative. It's just a shame i can't smell the coal, sulphur and steam oil.
steam engine is simply outdated and inefficient technology
Not so. If anything, steam is still valid as it is easiest to maintain in an area where coal is abundant and oil is scarce, like for example China. Plus, what makes diesel more efficient is their ability to "double up" and go longer distance with more power. China only requires jobs that a single engine can do, which steam engines can do just as well as diesels if not better.
They call this Blowing tubes....a method of forcing steam into the fire tubes to rid of the carbon build up. Ships (steamships) do this as well
b rt, how common are steamships now?
?????? How come the sparks did not ignite the hauled coal behind it ?????????
Train: Suffering
Me: enjoying the ASMR😂
It's neat how China still has steam trains on actual freight trains. I would visit China to see them if I could... Which I might in the future.
Midwestern Railfan I wouldn’t recommend going there right now, it’s a shitshow
I remember when I was a child, my grandmother took me for a trip in a steam train. She said: "don´t open the window otherwise sparks may enter and go to our eye." I opened the window and a spark came into my eyes. It burned my soul! Fortunatelly no damage happened to my eye, but she throwed a lot of water on my right eye. Everybody in the wagon closed the window after this. The lessons learned is: close the window.
The same happend to my mother, when she was a child in the 1946...... a sparkle hits one of her eyes , when a train drives through our station...... sorry for my bad english, but im german......
Last August I was in Sweden (PFP Relevant) and I was riding one of their heritage railways and they had 100 year old wooden coaches, amazing. And when the loco ran around to the rear of the train to take us back down to the station (They dropped us at this smaller station) you could go out on to the sort of enterance, or like, be able to be openly directly behind this thing with ash and smoke everywhere. On the coach that is.
Listen to grandma
Having been on a steam train to Barcelona as a child I opened the window just for the rush of air and whatever. Inside of 15 seconds my face was covered with black ash. It was still a blast. Oh, steam trains feel completely different from diesel or electric trains on startup. They have a slow silky acceleration. Memories.
Yep those cinders hurt. We used to have the old 611 steam engine running excursions up to Chattanooga when I was a kid. I got to ride it and they hurt when they get in your eyes for sure.
"I set fiiireee to the rain". "Shut up Carl"
Do they wet down the cars full of coal so they don't ignite?
Why are there so many sparks? Too much coal being shoveled in? No spark arrester?
Imagine this was in the USA. The FRA would have a field day writing up so many violations.
Kevin Renner: yes they would. The FRA would make an example out of you if you got caught doing that.
It did, before the FRA existed. The Plains used to burn for days because of sparks from locomotives. That's why all wood-fired locomotives have a distinctive stack: it's a flame arrestor.
There was a time when this built the USA. That my friends is the sound and look of progress.
And let's not forget the EPA, as they would have a field day writing the engineer, fireman and the company for the dangerous emissions!!!!!
@@nigel900 lmfao. Maybe back then, now it's a disgusting dirty piece of shit that should be scrapped.
Hmmm, perhaps a spark arrestor could have been a good idea, unless you want to set fire to long dry grass nearby.
If you get fires sufficiently often, they're always small. The problem in countries where steam running is rare is that when there eventually is a trackside fire, it's a big one.
When i was a kid growing up i remember the steam locomotives coming past and bit further down the line you would hear the fire service had been called to put out the grass fire, haha, maybe this is where the love of steam came from? Then diesels came along, ho hum BORING! They are just a noisy box on wheels.
barry phillips Steam engines seem alive...
The coal they use in the loco's in China is typically rice grains in size. It has to be fired wet to give it a chance to 'clag' to the firebed so it isn't just pulled straight thru the tubes. Means there's quite a bit of carry over/sparks that would quickly clog spark arrestors......
Alistair White ...thank you, I didn't know that. (I was assuming that they were tossing sand into the firebox to clean out the flues)
what are they feeding that thing! the souls of the damned?
Maybe political prisoners?
rice
That sounds more like bad luck.
My guess would be coal.
+Pats Trains
You ARE damned!
素晴らしい映像見させて頂きました。火の粉の量半端ないですね。圧巻でした。
Are there no wildfires caused by that huge amount of sparks?
Only one of these wagons is actual 'load'. The rest is used to get the train up the hill.
The load are the passengers.
"How much is the fare from Sandaoling to Nandaoling?"
"15 wagons of coal if you operate the train"
@@milanstevic8424 Hmm, what would I do with 15 wagons of coal? I wonder...
5.45 when they said 'external combustion', I don't think this is what they meant -
lol
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Stuart Saunders vplp
You could run another steamer on all that wasted fuel.
Stuart Saunders
That's a good one , external combustion . 👍
Are the sparks due to the use of soft coal?
Powdered coal. However, it is not always seen.
Maybe we can see it only once in 5 times.
Spark arrestor has been removed, you don't have to clean it out as much.
It's China, what do you expect!
That's very correct my brother! Send ISIS over there and kick their ass!
You seem to be an intelligent person. Please to put it to good use to make society better.
So what’s the technical explanation for these unique shots? I.e. all the sparks? Clearly they are not common - or there would be lots of similar vids... What’s different here?
No one told about it. There are clowns only:(
Had heard of it before. It is the only still-running steam train in China I guess? But that place is soooo damn far in the western part.... Oh wish I could have time to go there and take a look
It’s been five years, have you come to see it? If not, then I am sorry to tell you: all steam trains are gone.
Great 4th of July video
Epic wheelslip at 2:07
4:30, 4:45, 5:27, 5:45, 6:11
Several indeed
That train is being fed the souls of the damn.
Kyle Bittle it's the Spanish Train that Chris de Burgh sings about.
No they just fuel them with all the extra Chinese citizens they have lying around
It must be quite a steep upgrade, those Locos are being worked right to the maximum, going by the wheel slippage and the amount of steam injection into the stack to pull a draft.
I think it looked quite spectacular, Great to see the old trains running like that
Steam trains are potentially more environmentally freindly depending of whether it burns coal or wood. Also steam engines have way more torque at lower speeds which allows the engine to turn slower which reduces maintenance.
Steam engines also dont idle.
Neither do electric motors....
None of what you wrote is true.
Hogwarts Express for dead wizards or Ghost Rider's swapped 2 wheels for a demon loco !
@Mark Grudt America in the 21st century with 19th century beliefs.
Nope. That's the devil coming back up from Georgia.
Judging by the stack talk, the grade is significant and the loco is working hard. In addition to wheel spin contributing to live cinder showers, the fireman may be sanding the flues on a repeated basis for maximum efficiency.
exact opposite, this is the way NOT to run a steam engine. This is what happens when too much air is let in, burns coal faster and hotter, uses more water and does not produce the torque needed. This was not a long heavy train, most likely had fire box wide open while dumping in coal. Like flooring an old truck up a hill in 5th gear.
Plus, it looks cool!
@@phorewhoresman1897 yep you're exactly right
Awesome display of archaic steam power! Thank you so much for that!
How did he film this,how did he follow,like he jumped ahead three different locations? And high up?
I guess he drove and the train was slow?
This is the most awsome fire show,talk about a hot locomotive, I bet the smoke box was glowing.
I love the fire.
It looks a bit scary but also strangely magical. Almost kind of looks like gold dust.
You can hear how many times it did a wheel slip jeez
I think that's when the track was ice covered; it slipped a few rounds, then caught on again
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It has powwah:-)
theyre burnouts
SMS call me with any I can get it and I will get the
Good grief - half their fire is going up the stack!
Brilliant footage. If Chinese guys from 1000 years ago could have seen this, they would assume it was a fire dragon.
brilliant thought
👍👍Absolutely beautiful!! Great photography great shots great video.
5:38 wtf "excuse me, is this train going to or coming from hell?"
It's in China...so it's already in hell...
@@Penguin_of_Death have you ever been there? asking for a freind
The little engine that could!
Glad there was snow on the ground!
and who says coal is not clean?
That isn't hypocrisy if they're actively trying to change that, it is stupidity if they think scraping petty amounts of unreliable energy will replace all that, call me Atomic.
Yeah, even I flush my piss with drinkable water without a thought, too. No shame here.
Y'all do realize modern coal power plants use scrubbers and stuff to clean emissions right?
Scrubbers still release CO2, that doesn't stop coal miners from dying of black lung or ash sludge from poisoning water supplies. It's called the man tax.
they aren't changing it, quite the contrary, by buying electric cars, rejecting nuclear and subsidizing solar that cannot produce enough electricity to keep up with demand, they are actually forcing countries to use more coal. Germany is now using more coal and having to import electricity from France. Same with California, who now imports 35% of their electricity from coal fired states. It's hypocricy driven by do-gooder NIMBY environuts.
Boy they really hammered those engines to get the most cars out in one go, I assume this is fairly steep uphill (for a railroad)?
Yeah that is nice. But can they drift in on a lake of ice? That is the question....
That depends on the engineer
That's when you know an engine's working hard, showers of coal sparks like the 4th of July.
Nothing like a steam loco at night.
The Chinese invented fireworks.
Only thing is that steam engines aren't supposed to do that
@@madtrucker0983
The coal in this particular mine is a low grade, so it throws sparks like crazy. Even with the good stuff, you're going to get some sparks and embers from burning solid fuel when a steam engine is working hard, the intense draft sucks them off the top of the fire and shoots them through the flues and up the stack.
Most solid fuel burning engines have spark arrestors, but you have to strike a balance between quelling the sparks and letting the blast of exhaust steam draw a draft so the fire can burn properly and keep steam up, so a few will always get through.
That's why the Union Pacific converted 3985 over to oil, and the Durango and Silverton is doing the same to their steamers, both have set fires from hot embers getting through and sparking off lineside brush.
@@Shipwright1918 You're exactly right. I've ridden in a steam train and had the cinders get in my eyes. It looked cool as hell, but like I said it shouldn't be doing that. At one point it looked like solid flames coming out of that stack. I was thinking the thing was about to blow. 😂
Could you imagine this train going through California, The state would burn to the ground.
😂 Do it!
Already is Lmaooo
They do a good job of that on their own already.
I wish
They used to use trains like this in California. Back when they properly managed their forests.
That's just amazing, You would think they would find a better way. But then a gain, the fuel is free, since it's a coal mine.
People are paid to mine the coal. It is very cheap at the mines.
このブラスト音堪らないですね😍
They use the cheap brown coal, which comes directly from the mine.
I wasn't even aware China still used steam engines.
this the only steam train left in china, owned and operated in the side the coal mine, not connect to the state own rails. also heard the train has retired already from last year( not confirmed).
2:05 You can hear him downshift out of overdrive for that steep section.
That's not how steam engines work!
It is, quite simply, wheelslip.
So how many forest fires did these trains cause back in the day?
Thanks for your video, my mouth keeps open when i was watching this.
SPECTACULAR. And listen to the occasional wheelslip under heavy load. Those locomotives are being pushed "balls to the walls" with full loads behind them.
Thomas Lalor correct that steam engine working hard. You can hear it. Different than a casual tour train ride.
Huge load
Any locomotive can have wheelslip. Modern diesels and electrics have traction control, so wheelslip is minimized. Sanding the rails is done when necessary.
nice video bro
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Epic video....Big like from Romania
That is the coolest steam train ever!