Sikh gurus : no more caste system Sikhs hundreds of years later make Gurdwaras for different castes Sikh gurus watching from heaven: Am I a joke to you ( bruh ).
well firstly, heaven and hell is an abrahamic concept...doesnt fit in dharmic systems. secondly, even churches are segregated on race and ethnic grounds in all of the west.
@@rapheaddead sikhs do have a concept like heaven called sachkhand but it is different from heaven in some degree and sikhism does have a heaven in the abrahamic sense too
@@jaipreetsingh6566 no it doesn't ... heaven and hell are final destinations where you go and settle once and for all...the slightly similar but largely different "swaraga" and "naraka" concepts (present in all dharmic traditions) are spaces where the aatman goes to reneutralize and spend out the good or bad karma that has been collected while in life (flesh and bones)....they are transitory, the final aim is mukti where you free yourself from cycles of collecting and spending karma (i.e. cycle of birth and death) and act in absolute consciousness so that at the end we allll end up merging with quality-less "nirguna", bias-less "nir-vair", shape-less "nirakaar", fear-less "nir-bau", akalmurat "the timeless murati (shape)" ....i.e. OMKAR (the shapeless shape of OM). OM, the primordial sound that represents "karta-purakh" aka Brahma. As Guru Nanak said - Gavu geet naa birhada, nanank bhrama vicharu !
It's more like karnataka lingayats Basaavraj started lingayat community as a war against casteism and now its more like a caste in karnataka itself Same goes to neobuddhist in maharashtra under dr br ambedkar.🤣
Caste system is prevalent in sub continent, even Muslims in Pakistan are rajputs Jatts caste etc so are Sikhs in India, caste system is the most malignant virus of these countries
@@joyal876 There are different levels in caste discrimination. We are too far away from interfaith caste marriages, no doubt. But are we still far way from equality in other aspects?
People need to change their names first.... Bible toh naam lvo... I'm an SC I get full respect from my Sikh community It was guru gobind singh ji who called Rangrete guru ke bete.. The only person to accept the Rangrete as his sons Bhai Mardana SC GURU RAVIDAS JI Sc Bhagat Sain ji Sc Bhagat kabir ji SC Bhagat NAMDEV ji SC bhagat Sadhna ji (Kasai) SC bhai SATTA BHAI BALWAND SC All mentioned in gurbani BHAI JAITA JI SC BHAI Sangat Singh ji SC BHAI Jai Singh ji SC Martyrs And so on.... Nobody can LOVE SC community more than guru gobind singh ji...
Like many commentators here I also had the impression there is no caste system in sikhism. Thank you The Print for factual reporting & educating me. Great story.
Well you are a complete idiot because sikhism doesn't have caste gurus highly spoke against it but turns out people actually dont follow their religion properly! Sooo suprising!!! 🤢🤢🤢😵😵
@𝑱𝑩 *Hell NO* Show me the statistics you use in this The caste system is prevalent in *ALL* Indian states in earnest. I said there is no casteism in _SIKHISM_. This is reflected in the fact that people of all castes including chamars can go into Sikh temples and partake of the langar is they so wish.
@𝑱𝑩 *Hell NO* Show me the statistics you use in this The caste system is prevalent in *ALL* Indian states in earnest and Punjab is no exception. I said there is no casteism in *_SIKHISM_* This is reflected in the fact that people of all castes including chamars can go into Sikh temples and partake of the langar is they so wish. In some states the low castes are not allowed to go into temples even today.
Dr.B.R.Ambedkar Ji is a person that is born once in a lifetime to bring upon a change and revolution in a world moving in one direction, they are a force to be reckoned with. Nothing can stop them from achieving what they want, we should be lucky forever that such a great human graced our country and walked in it.
Yes, I am born in a upper caste family, but I think Dr Ambedkar is the biggest gift Pandit Nehru ji has given to India. I hope all Indians find equality, dignity to achieve their full capacity.
My ancestors were Jatts; I am no Jatt, I am only a Sikh. My values are precise and clear. If you take pride in your caste you are a clear cut egoist, that too is against the gurubani. The people in the sikh community who use castes and claim to be sikhs, you are no sikh as you are going against the guru granth sahib ji and the teachings of our first guru, Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
there is only divide is between rich and poor rich try richer by making more and not allowing poor to make. add colour power caste religion race country gender everything are just painted on them
Problem is we still acknowledge that the reporters are Brahmin while they interview the dalit community that too on a bright day lol......long walk ahead!
Nobody is saint bro. Just watched the movie on Udham Singh yesterday, it was so overwhelming. I can bet most of the sepoys who fired at Jallianwala Bagh that day were dalits, for they formed the highest number of sepoys. Point is, if only we could look at our faults and work towards rectifying them instead of pointing fingers at others.
@@ahamasmiarinm I get your well intended message as I point out the fact that as long as we have specific names for specific groups ,we are far from rectification ✌️
@Vi K probably yes,probably no....depends on what one is looking for, again depending on which side of the divide you actually belong to. If you belong to the discriminated side you'd probably go by the tag line ' all blood is red' and if on the other side " proud of our ancestry"
Here you're a prime example that it will never go away. Look at this fool still even after watching this making a point by saying 2 brahmin girls talking about dalit. You tone clearly comes off as 2 girls from upper caste talking about the problems of dalit girls who are lower caste
Every religion in India that started saying 'We are reformist' ended up being more casteist.. Because caste is not in religions of India but in society just like feudal Europe or rich vs poor in other places.. So if so called 'reformist religions' whether sikhs or Christians or Muslims or Buddhists say we are against caste, just laugh at them and ignore..
See the thing is that there's a difference between practise of a man and teaching of religion, for example a person playing caste card can be excommunicated from the chruch since it's goes against their religion but can it be said same for Hinduism?? This is one of the reason many are lving
@@depressedperson9002 caste will not end with one person being terminated or otherwise. The problem is not church terminating someone, problem is church itself being for one particular caste.. Also atleast there is an acceptance in governmental and intellectual levels that Hinduism has caste problem and there are people who push for implementation of laws against it. But for other religions the problem exists inside but on the face of it, it will be called reformist religions
@Dattatreya Jana just typing this in a comment section won't achieve anything untill the upper caste accept that this is the true interpretation and indeed there is no caste system and all the dalit, brahmins,khastriya are same....until then belive what u want to believe
@Dattatreya Jana there was chance when religious reformation was taking place in india..but now ,I don't think there's any except one extreme way ,btw iam in no way a commie but only solution I see is cultural revolution..
Really sad to see such discrimination which I was never known. Good on print to bring it out. Hope our friends start a change which can transform the life of those who have been left behind.
Funny but inaccurate. Less than 40% of Canadians identify as Christian. It's mostly athiest like all developed nations, i.e. except USA where 60-65% of the population is Christian because it was settled by people fleeing revolution in Europe.
@@jasonhenry8122 love thy enemy as thy self. If someone burns the Bible, forgive them and pray for them. As Christians we are not called to exact revenge. A tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye is not a Christian policy.
My Sikh brothers... please stop fighting within the Sikh community...hold unity... else christian missionaries will continue the conversation and this will eventually destroy entire community
It angers me … 2021 and we are talking about Dalit … we are human full stop, the problem with Hinduism and Sikhism is internal, yet we blame the missionaries who convert the masses who otherwise cannot move socially upward operating within the oppressive caste system.
Yes the missionaries are on a war footing to impose another culture onto India. Converting all of India into a Christian state will not solve the problem. There is casteism in muslims too.
@@Suddhosibubbhosiniranjanosi the different churches are for the different sects in Christianity such as Catholics, Methodists, Baptists etc. Christianity is not based on a caste system, therefore there is no such thing as a church for a certain caste. According to Christianity, everyone is equal. If any Christian considers himself/herself superior to anyone else, that person is guilty of a sin. Christians are human; therefore, they are not immune to sin. If you come across a Christian discriminating against someone based on caste, they are in a state of sin and need to repent. To summarize: Christianity does not endorse the caste system. If any Christian is guilty of making a difference based on caste. then he/she is committing a sin for which he/she will have to repent or pay the price at the final judgement.
Hindooism is a Shit Discriminatory religion... People want to believe in a religion that teaches equality like Christianity, Buddhism or Become Atheist.
So shocking....We in South always thought that Punjab had overcome poverty long back with their robust hardworking nature. I only wish that Indians who want to convert should prefer Indian options like Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism which all have the roots from the Sanathanic Dharma and its profound philosophy.(I am a non-devout catholic from Bangalore)
I'm also a convert, there is no caste in Christianity , I can do whatever I want ,my god is forgiving ,they treat me as human not based on caste ,proud punjabi, proud indian proud christian stop caste we are humans too Christianity is peace, the world biggest religion the religion of Europeans
Whole of punjab farmers has pretty good % of irrigation. They earned very well by following their profession of farming. Per capita income is pretty impressive.
@@sagarsonawane1698 Agriculture in Punjab have been a very good source of income for People having surplus Land. it is not so profitable for small and landless farmers and most of Sc's in punjab are either landless or they are marginal farmers.
@@gurpartapsingh1782 But we cannot neglect the rich and fertile land and give it to industries and make the farmers landless. Most of the farmer earned way more than employees of the company. And are living on their own terms and conditions not following the 9 to 5 rat race
Christianity is dividing people many convert into Christianity in hope of better life no discrimination etc. Christianity you divided into Latin Syrian orthodox catholic etc. In Kerala upper caste converted into catholic, if lower caste converted they are placed in back of hierarchy and discrimination in churches also continue. Fishermen in Kerala are converted as lain catholic considered OBC and some are in SC groups. Funny thing in Andra and some other south Indian states is they converted into Christianity destroy their culture and tradition but they did not change officially to get the benefits.
In North India also people who convert to Christianity from upper caste don't mix with lower caste Christians and this behaviour is found in tribals also. Converts from superior tribes like Santhals don't mix with tribals from tribes considered inferior.
Don’t understand why Punjabi Dalits should think of converting to Christianity when every SC family has a member(s) living abroad. Conversion happens only to improve one’s standard of living, though social respect and acceptance are also important factors which unfortunately are not guaranteed by the mere act of conversion and they don’t shed their caste identity either.
Hilarious. I'm a Christian. My first church had a brahmin convert as the priest. My second church had a tribal as the priest and my last one in India had a mallu brahmin as the pastor. When i went to UK i found the a brahmin background Christian girl married to the daughter of a dalit sikh Christian pastor! 😅 So no, mostly no caste in Christianity.
"Santhals don't mix with tribals from tribes considered inferior" Haha...this is funny. If they don't want to mix with outsiders (dikus), that means they want to protect their languages. A lot of santhals who accepted Jesus Christ as their savior prefer their language, they pray and read bible in their native language and they have their own Church just like tamil, malayalam speaking people prefer their language and have their own churches. Intercaste marriage is more common between santhals, mundari and ho speaking tribes, that because their languages, cultures and customs are more common. I don't even think brahmin christian convert or kshatriya christians would like to mix or marry with these tribes and it never happened that bcz your people are ethnically and culturally different from them. A lot of tribals don't even wipe out tears from their eyes or complain that mixed ethnic race like brahmin christians or kshatriya christians or vasya christians (general castes) or marry them. They aren't like dalits.
Im recently converted to Christianity , such a good tolerant religion without any discrimination or violence . Only love ,peace & education is the moto of Christianity
Although Sikhism is explicitly against caste system, punjab has a more severe caste problem. The governments have been typically hesistant to intervene in bad cultural practices of certain communities be it jats jatts Muslims etc whoever constitute large political base and are prone to react violently about anything they perceive as interfering with their culture. although elections in India are conducted quite efficiently,India is still a 3rd world democracy. The writ of law and principles enshrined in the constitution is not applied uniformly in most cases.
Bro your facts are wrong.....in Punab Jat Sikh population is not more than 15 percent...........you are outsider commenting with no knowledge of ground situation...................
@@shergill4301 bro same in india UR PERCENTAGE IS 25 TO30 50 % ARE OBC yet discrimination exists Same happens in Punjab. Landowners are rich and uppercast 👍
@@shergill4301 most of the dominant castes jats in haryana or marathas or reddys are around that %age of population in their respective states. However , unlike those states , jatts in punjab control most of the agricultural land. In an primarily agricultural based economy, that gives you a very big say in political matters in your state. Facts remain the same, regardless of you being an outsider or insider
Even Muslims in South Asia operate a caste based hierarchy - Ashrafi, Ajlaf, Arzal and Pasmanda. 15% of Muslims linked to Asrafiya lord over the remaining Muslims. They claim lineage to their Arab/Turk/mugal ancestors.
Are you blind? This type of discrimination exists all over India eg, manual scavengers ie, manual shit pickers rag collectors, *_kooda_* collectors etc etc.
This is why babasaheb didn't converted to sikhism and islam because these religion teach equality but doesn't practise that equality. Sc-st should leave all those religion who treat them as unequal go to buddhism or just follow babasaheb ambedkar.
@@SherSingh-vf3eb People do not need religion in particular for cohesiveness or brotherhood. A strong community is formed when a bunch of people have the same set of ideas. Ideas could be anything.
@@tarangsuri6748 ya bro but problem arises when teachers like Zakir Naik say quran is bigger than science and it's the only truth and worse part is that many muslims even educated believe this shit 🙄🙄 They aren't gonna beleive u others are more or less know religion is man made👍👍
@@ashwinb6435 may be you converted to Hinduism not we. We know what is truth and who is true God. We have tremendous evidence for our faith like archeological, historical and scientific. Not like you who don't have single evidence for your faith.
@@SaurabhDube195 with God all things are possible. There is possibility supernatural things occur if God exists. I have a question, does Mahabharat really happened, is there evidence?. If it does then Krishna had a sex with shiva. Is this you think is moral?.
I am from punjab. there is widespread discrimination against dalit sikhs. Jat sikhs have their own separate gurudwaras, community centres and cremation grounds. Dalit sikhs cannot go there. This led to opening of various Deras in punjab. Upper caste sikhs do exploit the women of dalit community. Once my jat sikh friend told me that jat sikh used to get physical favours from dalit women just because they want some cattle fodder from jats to feed their cattle. I was shocked to hear
I actually never expected cast system from Punjab since I lived in Ludhiana for 4 years and never saw discrimination happening. The only solution to such problems in India is to be atheist. I mean China and Japan are doing quite great .
Japan actually has untouchables. Most asian nations do. As for europe, look at how they treat gypsies. Look at how the US treats its black people. Other places are just better at hiding it. Its all PR.
@@sumitgupt2901 You cannot defeat casteism with caste based reservations ??? See below ---- The Centre said the flaws were glaring from the simple statistics that in the 1931 Census, the total number of castes enumerated were just 4,147 but in the 2011 SECC, these were more than 46 lakh. “Assuming that some castes may bifurcate into sub-castes, the total number cannot be exponentially high to this extent,” it said. “SECC 2011 data suffer from infirmities making it unusable for any official purposes and cannot be mentioned as any official document,” it said and informed the court that Census 2021, preparations for which are in the final stages, would collect data on SCs and STs and not on enumeration of OBCs. ---- Can you please xplain to me from where did 49 lakhs new castes come up in the last 80 years ??? You have been living in India and you don't know that people frequemtly make up their castes ???
@@excitableboy7031 japan has no such things and even if they have , comparing japan the safest country in the world and Europe, the richest continent and also one of the safest ones to India is a joke.
@@biggdaddyy japan is 99% atheist population. No one waste their time for chanting bullshit. They enjoy their festivals as carnivals not as religious thing. I have been to japan. Average Japanese barely knows anything about religion. And this is the same case for most developed countries ( i should say all)
No religion classifies its believers in a way as bad as Hinduism. Other religious books divide believers and non believers and abuse the non believers. But hindu religious book and its entire structure is based on varna and jati based divisions.
@@akilkudil moron, In Tamil Nadu, Dalit Christians are persecuted compared to normal Christians. And this video is for Sikhs. So why you getting Hinduism..?
@@akilkudil Jati and varna divisions are intended to provide social security not to discriminate against people. Jati and varna divisions guaranteed employment for everyone. There was no unemployment problem in jati and varna based societies.
What is highlighted here is also true throughout the country, in the villages we haven't been able to bring equality or at least rather lack of discrimination
Ot sbe aise of communist and musisores thata qas their only hope to conquer infia you nee fti indeetand thst in coties bjpnwas strong soncast is almost demilahed innbillages vongrrs and communist qere so there ate st 🙏oo segregation
Of we woild have seprate nation it wol.end like thers is no caste ayatem amonh nonn infia hindus onounteaminnin india bevaisebits sbusiness fir isalm chtstins sikhs etc
Punjab like Bengal were the most successful and influential states in India. The influence of Punjabis and Bengalis in Indian mainstream is thinning out.
Dear @theprint the killing at the "farmers protest" by nihangs is "allegedly"? the nihangs who did this are openly saying it that we did it, they are being garlanded in jatt sikh gurudwaras in punjab as heroes. and you still say "allegedly"?
@@josephthomas1035 oh shut up, so called "dalits" of tamil nadu who were brainwashed to convert to christianity are not even allowed in upper caste churches, my friend kalpana herself was not allowed
@@TusharSharma-cy9xo Bring your friend kalpana to me we will allow her and may God bless kalpana and Tushar both with his love and grace to experience his divine love. 🙏🙏🙏
Caste & reservations form a vicious circle which not only puts the country backward but also leads to religious conversions of Hindus by militant and proselyting faiths. Best way to deal with this is increase privatisation and uniting Hindus. Only way to unite Hindus is promoting nationalism & giving quotas to economically backward categories also to decrease the envy among Hindus. We all know which party is doing all these things. Jai Shri ram.
@@AsishKumar-xe8rd The destiny of those with Bible in their hands is to fight with those with Quran in their hands for the oldest and bloodiest property dispute in history over the city of Jerusalem.
it's been more then 70 years since independence. the reservation have done its job in uplifting some of them but the respect and equality they want has remained the same as it was pre independence... the patience of Dalits have run out, so they are seeking different path now.
@@desistarktm7270 Quota is like extortion. People say you give me quota otherwise I will convert and then you relent. In the process you harm those who are not demanding reservation and give them incentive to start demanding by claiming victimhood.
@@zubairhabib8502 Lol didn't you just said, muslims have casteism too ! And Ambedkar discarded Islam and Sikhism because of Casteism Buddhism is eternal truth !
@@zubairhabib8502 Islam in 3 words is Violence, Money & Sex. In one word SCAM.? Did prophet mohd sin muslims says NO but quran says YES, 48:2, 47:19, 40:55. 3:28 act friendly to lie to non believers.(taqiyya) wow. Muslim must believe in allah & mohd.Don't ask questions regarding faith. 5:101 Stay Brainwashed/Ignorant. Muslims are victims islam. Love them. Education is an enemy of islam. Knowledge exposes/stop the spread of twisted idology. Violence The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: 5:33, 9:14, 9:29, 9:123, 47:4, 66:9. And tell your co religionists stop bombing each others (Shia, sunnies, ahmadiyya, sufi) mosque and to stop killing innocent people. Money Quran 2:245, 57:11, 5:12 Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow." ? allah require a loan/money to forgive sins. Sex 33:50] O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort.(? Why this previlage only for mohd & not for muslim). 66:1-5 caught having sex with a slave girl in his wife hafsa's bed. 33:37 married his adopted son wife Zainab and married a 6 yrs old girl name aisha. Mohd had 13 wife and many slave girls. ? Is this book of God ? or imagery allah speaking to fulfill mohd's power, wealth and sexual desires. Hadith and Sirah of mohd are embracing for the prophet and Muslims. Muslims are victims of islam due to islamist idology which promotes poverty, ignorance and violence in the land. e.g. Afghanistan, Syria, lraq, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia etc. Hate the idology but love the person. To know more follow CP, Sam Shamoun, Apostate prophet etc on RUclips and other social media sites.
Punjab since2007 has less farm growth than Bihar sink that too, Pubjab has become tirhartiya and drugs cartal, it's up to people of Punjab what they want.
Very true. Bollywood gives a rich version of the state. In fact the state has gone to a rut long time back. It will take them at least 10 years to catch up with South India.
@@dumbledore192 no doubt Punjab is facing multiple social issues right now. But the fact is, a lot of states are comparable to it in terms of economic prosperity. What differentiates Punjab is its richness of heart, which sadly the miser gujjus and the over-analytical mallus will never get a hang of.
Don't know in which world u live,illetrate ppl r changing their religion for 2 sacks of rice.They may feel that changing religion will change their social status but they will continue as dalits Christians.
@@jaykashyap_ instead of being fixated on their religious conversion, ask yourself what you are doing to alleviate their hardship. Talk is cheap, words are plentiful and actions are precious. Are you doing anything meaningful to help them in living their lives? If the answer is no, then it is time to quit talking and start doing something to help the downtrodden. The value of 2 sacks of rice is relative. For those who are dirt poor, 2 sacks of rice means a lot and the helping hand they get from charitable institutions in the form of healthcare, education and upward mobility in society means even more. You are better off helping your brothers and sisters in need instead of running your mouth in your quest to run them down for finding new faith that offers them strength and hope they long for.
7:27 they wouldn't convert if you didn't discriminate against them. That's all. They didn't and don't need you to fulfill their needs. They just don't want and don't like you making it hard for them to fulfill their needs.
@@agamjotsingh2922 yeah? To those missionaries, everybody who is not Christian, is a target. But not everyone converts. That means people who do convert because of those missionaries must have their own reasons to convert. . . why would i even wanna leave my house, let alone live in somebody else's if I'm very much loved in my own.
If you are mean, angry, hateful person, you will find a way to hate and discriminate everyone else around you, just converting to some other religion is not going to make any difference. You have to make change in yourself, which is impossible for many people.
This Christianity conversion is real, I was shocked to see for ist time when one such group came to our medical college and conducted this in our auditorium. After that I came to know more and more about this as moved acros different parts of Punjab in various hospitals the class 3,4 staff had punjabi names but were Christian religiously as I asked more in curiosity I came to know that these Christian organization's give financial benefits to poor if they convert to Christianity and it made sense bcoz what they are offering cannot be just ignored by the people in need ,they give free education to their children's in good Christian schools,the clothes and lots of other benefits even jobs
Iam no commie but there's a reason why some of our favourite freedom fighter were communist..they knew very well that casteism will keep on living unless there's a cultural revolution ...
Bhagat Singh's family ran away from Lahore like a coward... What was he fighting for in Lahore when the entire city was to be cleansed of it's Hindu and Sikh population during partition ???
Why then the communist party of India has only Brahmins in their top decision making body? At least BJP were able to make a Dalit President and an OBC PM through popular votes. What have commies done?
Unless people and govt don't start to appeal to the reasonability of hardcore casteist people against discrimination, this will continue for a long long time.
Why nothing on indic options taken by dalits like valmiki and different deras Buddhism and the ravidasia religion ? These are huge social movements Why spotlight only on abrahamic faiths ? Indic local religions are also important .
Because abrahamic faiths have more resources while indic groups are more disorganised. Only rss has been successful to some extent in reconnecting them back to their indic roots .
@@surajs5913 RSS has abrahamised hinduism and has copied many aspects of Missionary religions in the name of being “organised”. It is certainly not connecting people to Indic roots. Only to political Hindutva roots.
@@akshatsrivastava4280 i think i believe it has abrahamised but what other choice is there when you have systematically destroyed the institutions of the religion.
@@akshatsrivastava4280 in what manner do you think rss has "abrahamised" hinduism. What do you define as "abrahamisation"? Is it monotheism or allegiance to a single diety? The vilification and dehumanising of ones opponents? Or speaking of absolutes? Define your definition of "Abrahamisation" and then i may get a better understanding...
@@surajs5913 by Abrahamisation, I mean that it has made our religion into something political. There wasn’t any concept of mass conversion in Hinduism but now we see things like “Ghar Wapsi” en masse under RSS and its chaddi buddy organisations. Never before has any dharmic religion meen so centralised. Our beauty has been our diversity. Yet their attempt has always been to centralise Hinduism with headquarters at Nagpur. MOST IMPORTANTLY: you will rarely see RSS people discuss the philosophical and esoteric ideas of existence, that make Hinduism what it is. No debates about Ātman, Brahmana, Moksha or any of the rich philosophical concepts we have. It is always political. See Bhagwat’s recent Dusshera speech and tell me how much he talked about Hindu (or Vedic) philosophy and how much about politics and strategic issues.
No witout ambedlar we would have bee betyer off we would have desoteydbthe casye look how non indiannhindu have no caste oroblemmor city hindus its only where chretins and comunisybwantsbtonruoe
Christianity is for all people of every nation, rich or poor, low-born or high-born, male or female. The Lord Jesus Christ called us to become a new people transformed into his image. All that is necessary is repentance and faith. Please, read the Gospels to find out more information. Christianity is not foreign to India, but has been in India for almost two thousand years when the Apostle Thomas came to this land.
The best of journalism!!! Pleas keep up the great work. India can Never achieve a great Nation/ Society status or even prosper until the Cast hierarchy is completely eliminated. We should become a cast less society.
Ok a lot of ignorant comments are mentioning that Punjab is worst place for Dalits. Consider following points: 1) Dalits don't face untouchability in Punjab which is a general norm in India. 2) They are not asked to shave off their moustaches or prohibited from riding a horse. 3) Dalits even make discrimination among themselves (mentioned in the video as well) so how can they say other communities are not treating them well? 4) Don't know about Gurdwara Sahibs at some villages but there is absolutely no discrimination in any of the Historic Gurdwara Sahibs. Everyone eat langar by sitting with each other irrespective of caste (purpose of langar system was to rectify this problem). 5) Our Granthi Singh (Priests) and Ragi Singh (Sermon Singer's) are from different communities and all of them are well respected in community. 6) Some folks were saying Punjabi songs reflect jatt supremacy, who is stopping from other communities to sing song in the name of their own caste? 7) In the video first case was about land dispute which is very normal in India/punjab (even real brothers get into spat over this). Another guy was simply upset because he didn't have shoes (which doesn't reflect any discrimination). A lady was complaining that she didn't get her share of food grains/pensions due to her caste ( it is case of corruption). One man was saying that system is run by upper caste (jatts are not considered as upper caste by varna systems). And even if jatts are considered as upper caste then reservation is there you can join and change the rules even though alot of rules are already there to safeguard the interests of dalit community. 8) Now about singhu border incident the victim and accused both are Dalits but all of you keep mentioning the caste of victim only. 9) Lastly there is no caste but simply economics/wealth behind all this. People who are well off irrespective of their caste go along well. I can't put this in any simple language.
Your comment is unfortunately the worst form of interpretation that anyone can come up with... However each of your point gives this article all the more relevance and backing. Now ur thoughts not only tells us what's wrong in the system but it begs us to ask a simple question how did we go so wrong as humans ?
Caste system is in Indian DNA. In the advanced and educated Kerala also there are seperate churches for dalit christians and upper caste Christian wish print will do a story on this issue.
I have never seen or heard of separate churches for upper and lower castes in Kerala. Please help The Print out by sharing details here for further investigation.And even if they don't do a report we could know the truth behind this.
Everyone is welcome in churches in kerala. It does not matter your caste, economic background or religion. If you want to pray in peace you’re welcome to come to kerala churches.
this is eye opening, So even monotheistic religion failed to provide equality for everyone in their social structure. Both Quran and Guruwani can't change our true feeling about other people in society.
Neither will Christianity. This is exploitation of a bad situation by Europen governments. Notice that all over India people have started to have Christian names.
@@hmin5927 yeah why are you people hindu sikhs giving your kids Christian names its for Christian only. Christian names hold meaning. You dont see any Christian naming their kids narayan, ram, lakshman never but you hindus and sikhs take up our names and culture to be cool. European goverment such as france and russia exploting india im pretty sure they dont give a shit about india.
@@jasonhenry8122 I have thought about this myself for a long time and I suspect a multiple of reasons are involved including but not limited to the fact that they are educated in Christian Convent Schools where the parents do not realise the long term damage they are inflicting on the kids. Also the after effects of colonialism and the world domination by Christian ( ie, European ) culture. I can say a lot but I hope this suffices.
@@hmin5927 Are you dumb enough to not know that parents name their kids before they're enrolled in a school. You cannot enroll a kid without a name. And why you people hindus and so keen to get education from our Christian institution. But we don't discriminate against anyone we accept all. And if you guys have a problem with Christian schools teaching about Christianity then study in your sanatan dharam schools. It's our institution we have a right to talk about our faith. We are not bound by the hindu laws to not teach about Christianity. We will do whatever we want cause we are not causing any jihad we are not killing anyone or bombing anyone. Christians have freedom to talk about their faith. You try to scare or stop us we will talk even louder. Our Holy Bible tells us to not fear death at all.
Dude do not try to act funny with me. You did not fully understand what I wrote,,,,,, _ * I suspect a multiple of reasons are involved including but not limited to the fact that they [ the parents ] are educated in Christian Convent Schools _* Christian organisations in the West are spending more than the annual budget of the Indian Navy in missionary ie, conversion work in India and this is the result. Have no fear this is a Hindu government in control . Look at African Christians ... still niggers in the West
@@verifiedstalker6820 don't they discriminate against blacks from Africa ? ..if yes then they are racist I think you confused race with something else ...almost all north indians are from same race..
Christian missionaries are converting dalit Sikhs to Christianity. SGPC and damdami takshal were in hibernation when this conversion racket was in full momentum.
@@cinnowSimran remains Simran for YHWH calls mankind and womankind by NAME. YHWH is Creator of All Creation, The Holy of All holies is not bond futile constraints of human culture and false demi gods. Hallelujah Hallelujah First there was the Word and the Word was with GOD and the Word was GOD. Then the Word became Flesh and dwelled among us.
When a upper caste converts to another religion, I can try and convince them to stay. But if a dalit converts, there is no logical reason you can give for him to stay. There is NO reason for a dalit to remain Hindu. The best I could say is try going for Buddhism.
Sahi baat bhaiii Hame ab poori tarah se bhedbhav hatana chahiye But our generation has improved And I'm sure our kids will not witness casteism in our community 👍👍🙏
Even if someone is a dalit, he is still a hindu.. You can let him know the greatness of the religion and make him stay.. The greatest epic of Hinduism Ramayana is written by a chandala and the author of mahabharat the great veda vyasa is the son of a fisher women.. Lord krishna was a yadhava... So Hinduism is not a religion only meant for the upper cast Hindus.. Actually the brahmins had misused their influence in the society to make the caste system and in order to get all the privileges and to remain unquestionable in society..
@@akshayts6482 जिस व्यक्ति को हिंदू शास्त्र ही वेद/उपानिषद पढ़ने से मना करते हैं, जिसको मनुस्मृति संस्कृत सीखना तो दूर, संसकृत सुनने पर भी कान जलाए जाने का दंड देती है, उसे मैं क्या बताऊँ वेदों की महानता और राम की करुणा?
@@akshatsrivastava4280 I have told you that the selfishness of the Nobel community had made them stand away from this.. But still, saint were allowed to study vedas no matter which community you belongs to.. Moreover, now everyone gets a chance for studying veda if they want.. There are lots of non bhramin priests working in temples.. You cannot defame this great religion for the caste system because the religion doesn't put forward this idea to us.. Actually it's a dirt that had accumulated in the religion over the period of time.. It's a religion which teach you to work for the betterment of the world and not for the religion.. It's the religion that teach you to fight for truth and justice and not for God.. Unlike other Semitic religion which make their people belive that only they are right and all those who don't believe in their religion are evils and should be killed, Hinduism teach us to be tolerant and respect others culture.. It's the only religion which dare to say " Athmano mokshartham jagath hithayacha" & "Dharmo rakshathi rakshithaha". It's the religion which teach us that the God is within us i.e. Thathwamasi.. So bro.. If it is possible, all those dalit brothers who wish to get converted should get a chance to know the greatness of Hinduism.. At least they should try to know what Hinduism really if.. If they do so I'm sure they would definitely change their mind and would become strong believers of Hinduism because this is the only religion which gives you freedom.. Freedom to worship God in your own way.. Give your own concept to God.. Freedom to judge or question anything.. Moreover, the only religion that would let you feel that you are God as it is believed that we all are the part of paramathma.. Aham bramhasmi..
It feels bad seeing rotten caste system still prevailing not just among Hindus but in Sikh, Islam, Christianity & Buddhism. It is no more releted to Hinduism but became regional.
I am From Boota Mandi Jalandhar - " The Citadel of Dalits ". I can say Doaba region is most Developed Dalit Dominated Land in Punjab in which lakhs of families of Chamar Valmiki families are settled in America Europe and Australia. When Baba Saheb started his struggle in Maharashtra, Baba Manguram Mugowalia raised supporters for him in punjab and in 1920 Election first time 7 SC caste MLA won In Doaba Region of Punjab.. Whenever there is a atrocities against Dalit in Any part if Country whether Hatras, Rohit Vemula case Doaba Region always started and led the agitation.
First of all,the government has to make a law not to mention the cast in any official document and should stop people from addressing their surname. Even in cricket teams, we see the names with their caste. Tamil Nadu is d only state where people strongly condemn this stupid system. Government has to make law to stop adding their caste from school itself.
Yeah I admire TN model My whole family don't have a caste surname even I never met a Tamil guy with Caste surname still now but at the same time TN is Biggest hotspot for Missionarys who exploits poor low caste people Using their situation for conversion
Needs a lot of soul searching when you are confronted with casteism amongst Sikhs ....a religion that promotes social service--feed everyone irrespective of religion,wipe the shoes irrespective of whose .... Brings us to the fact that man is a social animal and needs to create groups to feel the sense of belonging and upmanship .... I wonder if there is a way to live as equals in true sense of the word .
Sikh gurus : no more caste system
Sikhs hundreds of years later make Gurdwaras for different castes
Sikh gurus watching from heaven: Am I a joke to you ( bruh ).
well firstly, heaven and hell is an abrahamic concept...doesnt fit in dharmic systems. secondly, even churches are segregated on race and ethnic grounds in all of the west.
@@rapheaddead sikhs do have a concept like heaven called sachkhand but it is different from heaven in some degree and sikhism does have a heaven in the abrahamic sense too
@@jaipreetsingh6566 no it doesn't ... heaven and hell are final destinations where you go and settle once and for all...the slightly similar but largely different "swaraga" and "naraka" concepts (present in all dharmic traditions) are spaces where the aatman goes to reneutralize and spend out the good or bad karma that has been collected while in life (flesh and bones)....they are transitory, the final aim is mukti where you free yourself from cycles of collecting and spending karma (i.e. cycle of birth and death) and act in absolute consciousness so that at the end we allll end up merging with quality-less "nirguna", bias-less "nir-vair", shape-less "nirakaar", fear-less "nir-bau", akalmurat "the timeless murati (shape)" ....i.e. OMKAR (the shapeless shape of OM). OM, the primordial sound that represents "karta-purakh" aka Brahma. As Guru Nanak said - Gavu geet naa birhada, nanank bhrama vicharu !
It's more like karnataka lingayats
Basaavraj started lingayat community as a war against casteism and now its more like a caste in karnataka itself
Same goes to neobuddhist in maharashtra under dr br ambedkar.🤣
@Vi K people have got that habit . That tend to feel themselves superior over others . Nomatter wts the criteria .
So sikhism ended up becoming what exactly it was supposed to be against🙄 well thats quite a plot twist..
We have a saying in Bangla, 'je jae Lankar, se hoe Ravan', who goes to Lanka, becomes Ravan
that's the problem with ppl,not with Sikhism,the words of guru nanak dev ji was very clear
Not Sikhism but sikhs
@@rajkishorebehera7489 i agree
@@jaipreetsingh6566 ya right
as a Punjabi lived here for 25 years of my life I can vouch for each an every segment shown in this report - its 200% ground reality
Aap punjabi ho kya ya phir kuch saalo ke liye gaye
Thousands of bhagats. are residing in in Bhargo camp. in jalandhar..pb
Thank for brother you're right I agree
@@lovelylovely9483 all refugees from sialkot,Shakargarh in Pakistan right?
@Kabir Bal hahaha kshatriya gurjar jabsy Mahabharat Geeta Sanskrit vedha ramayan m likha Gaya tabsy tum to shudra rajput ho
As a Chamar Hindu of MP, I support my Punjabi Brothers and Sisters
U also change u r religion iam also Christian from Andhra Pradesh madiga christian
@@liboypraisly2049 🤢🤢🤢🤢👎👎👎👎
Chamar hindu nhu hota ha😂😂.....
@@liboypraisly2049well then tell whether you remain dalit or a Christian. Dalit Christian harassment by upper caste christian
@@anandmishra2925they can complain and the church will ostracize the accused
Excellent reporting, congrats to the 2 journalists who put this together
My views about Sikhism and Sikhs took a 180° turn...Being a South Indian never imagined Sikhs to be infected with the casteism..
Caste system is prevalent in sub continent, even Muslims in Pakistan are rajputs Jatts caste etc so are Sikhs in India, caste system is the most malignant virus of these countries
Sikhism????? But sikhism says nooo caste!!! Do u have a brain to distinguish between religion itself and the people who dont properly follow it?
There was no caste , social engineering due to colonization has resulted this.
you must be from south india brainwashed by bollywood about sikhs
@@jaipreetsingh6566 casteism is involve in sikh community. decrimination also exist. Recent killing of Balbir Singh is the perfect example.
Excellent insight in Sikh community who claim to be casteless.
People who are ACTUAL sikhs and ACTUALLY follow sikhism dont have caste
@@jaipreetsingh6566 and were are they?
@@jaipreetsingh6566 siksh are ost racist peole ever
@@joyal876 you won't find them they are scarce and isolated
@@vipinbhandari6191 your kind created caste
So disappointed to know that casteism is prevalent among Sikhs too. A great work of journalism .
It is not only prevalent in Punjab but across India. When did you last attended a marriage where a Dalit boy marrying a Brahmin girl?
@@joyal876 There are different levels in caste discrimination. We are too far away from interfaith caste marriages, no doubt. But are we still far way from equality in other aspects?
@@joyal876 Angrej girls. are. okay. for. Sc boys.?
Yeah I don’t know why but there are a lot of Jat Sikhs who flex their caste
People need to change their names first.... Bible toh naam lvo... I'm an SC I get full respect from my Sikh community
It was guru gobind singh ji who called Rangrete guru ke bete.. The only person to accept the Rangrete as his sons
Bhai Mardana SC
GURU RAVIDAS JI Sc
Bhagat Sain ji Sc
Bhagat kabir ji SC
Bhagat NAMDEV ji SC
bhagat Sadhna ji (Kasai) SC
bhai SATTA BHAI BALWAND SC
All mentioned in gurbani
BHAI JAITA JI SC
BHAI Sangat Singh ji SC
BHAI Jai Singh ji SC
Martyrs
And so on....
Nobody can LOVE SC community more than guru gobind singh ji...
Like many commentators here I also had the impression there is no caste system in sikhism. Thank you The Print for factual reporting & educating me. Great story.
You may check out doc “India untouched”.
Well you are a complete idiot because sikhism doesn't have caste gurus highly spoke against it but turns out people actually dont follow their religion properly! Sooo suprising!!! 🤢🤢🤢😵😵
There IS no casteism in Sikhism, but there is casteism in people be they Christian, Muslims Hindus or Sikhs.
@𝑱𝑩 *Hell NO* Show me the statistics you use in this The caste system is prevalent in *ALL* Indian states in earnest.
I said there is no casteism in _SIKHISM_. This is reflected in the fact that people of all castes including chamars can go into Sikh temples and partake of the langar is they so wish.
@𝑱𝑩 *Hell NO* Show me the statistics you use in this The caste system is prevalent in *ALL* Indian states in earnest and Punjab is no exception.
I said there is no casteism in *_SIKHISM_* This is reflected in the fact that people of all castes including chamars can go into Sikh temples and partake of the langar is they so wish.
In some states the low castes are not allowed to go into temples even today.
Dr.B.R.Ambedkar Ji is a person that is born once in a lifetime to bring upon a change and revolution in a world moving in one direction, they are a force to be reckoned with. Nothing can stop them from achieving what they want, we should be lucky forever that such a great human graced our country and walked in it.
Yes, I am born in a upper caste family, but I think Dr Ambedkar is the biggest gift Pandit Nehru ji has given to India. I hope all Indians find equality, dignity to achieve their full capacity.
@@keerthisureshseelam yes baba saheb is gift for us but nehru is sin
I think dalit Christian is a naali ka keeda
Only upper cast Christian
@@modji2024 WTF
@@modji2024Suvar Lindu Moghal Ke Haram Ki Nazayaz Aulad Gay ROM Vodka Vishcky 😂
My ancestors were Jatts; I am no Jatt, I am only a Sikh. My values are precise and clear. If you take pride in your caste you are a clear cut egoist, that too is against the gurubani. The people in the sikh community who use castes and claim to be sikhs, you are no sikh as you are going against the guru granth sahib ji and the teachings of our first guru, Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
God bless Punjab Dalits.
I think dalit Christian is a naali ka keeda
Only upper cast Christian
Proud to be chamar 😎
😂😂
😎😎🇪🇺🇪🇺
@@wojak5308 🔥 lag gayi teri g**d ma😂.
Proud to be Buddhist bol
@@alok9307 no, Chamar itself a religion.
Imagine this social and economic divide happening in Punjab, one of the richest states in India.
But not urbanised
Not a anymore among richest
Now, a Drugie state
there is only divide is between rich and poor rich try richer by making more and not allowing poor to make. add colour power caste religion race country gender everything are just painted on them
It’s the poorest state. It’s whole GDP is less than Bengaluru city GDP
The caste system in India is there in all religions. But I never thought it is prevalent in Sikhism.
@Biju Menon all jain are baniya...so jain itself becomes cast.
No one can escape castism being under Indian state
@ᴊᴏᴋᴇʀ akhand bharat I mean... The one that is poster child of radical RSS propaganda ... Pakistan is part of that as per the pipe dream
Look positive side.... Two Brahmin girls are reporting the problem of dalit community hope dalit will get their right and good life..
Problem is we still acknowledge that the reporters are Brahmin while they interview the dalit community that too on a bright day lol......long walk ahead!
Nobody is saint bro. Just watched the movie on Udham Singh yesterday, it was so overwhelming. I can bet most of the sepoys who fired at Jallianwala Bagh that day were dalits, for they formed the highest number of sepoys. Point is, if only we could look at our faults and work towards rectifying them instead of pointing fingers at others.
@@ahamasmiarinm I get your well intended message as I point out the fact that as long as we have specific names for specific groups ,we are far from rectification ✌️
@Vi K probably yes,probably no....depends on what one is looking for, again depending on which side of the divide you actually belong to.
If you belong to the discriminated side you'd probably go by the tag line ' all blood is red' and if on the other side " proud of our ancestry"
Here you're a prime example that it will never go away. Look at this fool still even after watching this making a point by saying 2 brahmin girls talking about dalit. You tone clearly comes off as 2 girls from upper caste talking about the problems of dalit girls who are lower caste
Every religion in India that started saying 'We are reformist' ended up being more casteist..
Because caste is not in religions of India but in society just like feudal Europe or rich vs poor in other places..
So if so called 'reformist religions' whether sikhs or Christians or Muslims or Buddhists say we are against caste, just laugh at them and ignore..
YES ,A NAKED TRUTH
जी हाँ, यह एक नग्न सत्य है.
See the thing is that there's a difference between practise of a man and teaching of religion, for example a person playing caste card can be excommunicated from the chruch since it's goes against their religion but can it be said same for Hinduism?? This is one of the reason many are lving
@@depressedperson9002 caste will not end with one person being terminated or otherwise.
The problem is not church terminating someone, problem is church itself being for one particular caste..
Also atleast there is an acceptance in governmental and intellectual levels that Hinduism has caste problem and there are people who push for implementation of laws against it.
But for other religions the problem exists inside but on the face of it, it will be called reformist religions
@Dattatreya Jana just typing this in a comment section won't achieve anything untill the upper caste accept that this is the true interpretation and indeed there is no caste system and all the dalit, brahmins,khastriya are same....until then belive what u want to believe
@Dattatreya Jana there was chance when religious reformation was taking place in india..but now ,I don't think there's any except one extreme way ,btw iam in no way a commie but only solution I see is cultural revolution..
Really sad to see such discrimination which I was never known. Good on print to bring it out. Hope our friends start a change which can transform the life of those who have been left behind.
I think dalit Christian is a naali ka keeda
Only upper cast Christian
Punjab:: we are increasing sikh population in Canada
Canada:: UNO reverse card
Funny but inaccurate. Less than 40% of Canadians identify as Christian. It's mostly athiest like all developed nations, i.e. except USA where 60-65% of the population is Christian because it was settled by people fleeing revolution in Europe.
@@abhigyanbg5764 he was talking about Sikhs in Punjab not entire Canada
@Religion is the opium of masses And this opium business is not going away any soon in India and islamic world 🙄
@Religion is the opium of masses Try burning our Bible then see if we won't break your legs
@@jasonhenry8122 love thy enemy as thy self. If someone burns the Bible, forgive them and pray for them. As Christians we are not called to exact revenge. A tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye is not a Christian policy.
My Sikh brothers... please stop fighting within the Sikh community...hold unity... else christian missionaries will continue the conversation and this will eventually destroy entire community
@Biju Menon jai hind
Actual sikhs dont follow caste those who follow caste simply aren't following sikhism
@Biju Menon bro Lebanon is already collapsed it's really a karma hope it will recover back
No community can be destroyed unless it’s too weak and can’t stand for itself
You forget that Sikhism itself was inspired by Christianity
It angers me … 2021 and we are talking about Dalit … we are human full stop, the problem with Hinduism and Sikhism is internal, yet we blame the missionaries who convert the masses who otherwise cannot move socially upward operating within the oppressive caste system.
Yes the missionaries are on a war footing to impose another culture onto India. Converting all of India into a Christian state will not solve the problem. There is casteism in muslims too.
@@Suddhosibubbhosiniranjanosi the different churches are for the different sects in Christianity such as Catholics, Methodists, Baptists etc. Christianity is not based on a caste system, therefore there is no such thing as a church for a certain caste.
According to Christianity, everyone is equal. If any Christian considers himself/herself superior to anyone else, that person is guilty of a sin. Christians are human; therefore, they are not immune to sin. If you come across a Christian discriminating against someone based on caste, they are in a state of sin and need to repent. To summarize: Christianity does not endorse the caste system. If any Christian is guilty of making a difference based on caste. then he/she is committing a sin for which he/she will have to repent or pay the price at the final judgement.
Please let them leave Hinduism. Hinduism is always been a false cult
Hindooism is a Shit Discriminatory religion... People want to believe in a religion that teaches equality like Christianity, Buddhism or Become Atheist.
@@JV-oi6chlol there is caste in christianity especially in kerela
Just one word for this Report , Phenomenal 🌟
So shocking....We in South always thought that Punjab had overcome poverty long back with their robust hardworking nature. I only wish that Indians who want to convert should prefer Indian options like Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism which all have the roots from the Sanathanic Dharma and its profound philosophy.(I am a non-devout catholic from Bangalore)
Man Punjab is one of the worst State as per economic condition, Khalistan taken away everything from Punjab
Rubbis
This is real journalism
Excellent Report from Ground level!
Thank you!
Dalit Nihangs killed Dalit at Singhu.
I'm also a convert, there is no caste in Christianity , I can do whatever I want ,my god is forgiving ,they treat me as human not based on caste ,proud punjabi, proud indian proud christian
stop caste we are humans too
Christianity is peace, the world biggest religion the religion of Europeans
So you are sinner lol
Never Success in your life because you are sinners
Really enjoyed this episode. Got to learn so much about my own country
Well done, Punjab Dalits.
Well done for such reports, The Print!
Castism of all shades end when you urbanise
@@MayankSingh-qg4zv it's better here in cities than shitty villages
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Yep..very true
@Keshavji Jhaganlal only upper dominant caste show that arrogance the Dalits are oppressed in villages more ..I know well I come from jat community
@Priyanka kumari ❤️ no society is total discrimination free and never would be...still degree can vary
Lol no
If poverty ends in India by industrialization etc then a lot of problems may be resolved.
After 1992-93 reform, hinduism came in danger. Problem grew more. Radicalism grew.
You cannot have economic growth by neglecting basic administration
Whole of punjab farmers has pretty good % of irrigation. They earned very well by following their profession of farming. Per capita income is pretty impressive.
@@sagarsonawane1698 Agriculture in Punjab have been a very good source of income for People having surplus Land. it is not so profitable for small and landless farmers and most of Sc's in punjab are either landless or they are marginal farmers.
@@gurpartapsingh1782 But we cannot neglect the rich and fertile land and give it to industries and make the farmers landless. Most of the farmer earned way more than employees of the company. And are living on their own terms and conditions not following the 9 to 5 rat race
Christianity is dividing people many convert into Christianity in hope of better life no discrimination etc.
Christianity you divided into Latin Syrian orthodox catholic etc. In Kerala upper caste converted into catholic, if lower caste converted they are placed in back of hierarchy and discrimination in churches also continue. Fishermen in Kerala are converted as lain catholic considered OBC and some are in SC groups.
Funny thing in Andra and some other south Indian states is they converted into Christianity destroy their culture and tradition but they did not change officially to get the benefits.
In North India also people who convert to Christianity from upper caste don't mix with lower caste Christians and this behaviour is found in tribals also. Converts from superior tribes like Santhals don't mix with tribals from tribes considered inferior.
Don’t understand why Punjabi Dalits should think of converting to Christianity when every SC family has a member(s) living abroad. Conversion happens only to improve one’s standard of living, though social respect and acceptance are also important factors which unfortunately are not guaranteed by the mere act of conversion and they don’t shed their caste identity either.
Hilarious. I'm a Christian. My first church had a brahmin convert as the priest. My second church had a tribal as the priest and my last one in India had a mallu brahmin as the pastor. When i went to UK i found the a brahmin background Christian girl married to the daughter of a dalit sikh Christian pastor! 😅
So no, mostly no caste in Christianity.
@@Thoughtflux so why Protestants go to Catholic church and vice versa
"Santhals don't mix with tribals from tribes considered inferior"
Haha...this is funny.
If they don't want to mix with outsiders (dikus), that means they want to protect their languages. A lot of santhals who accepted Jesus Christ as their savior prefer their language, they pray and read bible in their native language and they have their own Church just like tamil, malayalam speaking people prefer their language and have their own churches.
Intercaste marriage is more common between santhals, mundari and ho speaking tribes, that because their languages, cultures and customs are more common. I don't even think brahmin christian convert or kshatriya christians would like to mix or marry with these tribes and it never happened that bcz your people are ethnically and culturally different from them. A lot of tribals don't even wipe out tears from their eyes or complain that mixed ethnic race like brahmin christians or kshatriya christians or vasya christians (general castes) or marry them. They aren't like dalits.
Im recently converted to Christianity , such a good tolerant religion without any discrimination or violence .
Only love ,peace & education is the moto of Christianity
Hmm, interesting.
I’m considering converting too, I’m done with the Hypocrisies of Sikhi
Amazing work, The Print. That's the journalism I signed up for. Kudos!
Although Sikhism is explicitly against caste system, punjab has a more severe caste problem. The governments have been typically hesistant to intervene in bad cultural practices of certain communities be it jats jatts Muslims etc whoever constitute large political base and are prone to react violently about anything they perceive as interfering with their culture.
although elections in India are conducted quite efficiently,India is still a 3rd world democracy. The writ of law and principles enshrined in the constitution is not applied uniformly in most cases.
Can't be more correct 👍👍👍
100 percent truth 👍👍
Correct.
Bro your facts are wrong.....in Punab Jat Sikh population is not more than 15 percent...........you are outsider commenting with no knowledge of ground situation...................
@@shergill4301 bro same in india UR PERCENTAGE IS 25 TO30
50 % ARE OBC yet discrimination exists
Same happens in Punjab. Landowners are rich and uppercast 👍
@@shergill4301 most of the dominant castes jats in haryana or marathas or reddys are around that %age of population in their respective states. However , unlike those states , jatts in punjab control most of the agricultural land. In an primarily agricultural based economy, that gives you a very big say in political matters in your state.
Facts remain the same, regardless of you being an outsider or insider
Sad that the Sikhs continue the caste divide in spite of their Guru's prohibiting it!!
People gonna do whatever they want to do. Any old books not gonna stop from what they need to climb and push down others.
@@kittyman7015 I suppose you're right?
Even Muslims in South Asia operate a caste based hierarchy - Ashrafi, Ajlaf, Arzal and Pasmanda. 15% of Muslims linked to Asrafiya lord over the remaining Muslims. They claim lineage to their Arab/Turk/mugal ancestors.
Old habits die hard I guess
Insightful journalism. Kudos to miss Bhardwaj & miss Mishra for bringing forth the plight of marginalised amongst us.
Are you blind? This type of discrimination exists all over India eg, manual scavengers ie, manual shit pickers rag collectors, *_kooda_* collectors etc etc.
Nice news Item 👍🏽
Quite informative and very well documented.
This is why babasaheb didn't converted to sikhism and islam because these religion teach equality but doesn't practise that equality. Sc-st should leave all those religion who treat them as unequal go to buddhism or just follow babasaheb ambedkar.
Ambedkar created a new religion - Nayayana where he was seen as a Bodhisatva. That is why Ambedkar was not accepted within Sikhism.
@@tarangsuri6748 yeah but we can't say directly on face to every human. Religion is needed for cohesiveness and brotherhood among human being.
@@SherSingh-vf3eb People do not need religion in particular for cohesiveness or brotherhood. A strong community is formed when a bunch of people have the same set of ideas. Ideas could be anything.
@@tarangsuri6748 Moral science comes from religious philosophies.
@@tarangsuri6748 ya bro but problem arises when teachers like Zakir Naik say quran is bigger than science and it's the only truth and worse part is that many muslims even educated believe this shit 🙄🙄
They aren't gonna beleive u others are more or less know religion is man made👍👍
In Christianity there no caste system but Indian Christians are still following caste system, shame full to us.
Bcz everyone got converted with bag of rice and not love for religion. Xnity offer no such thing imo.
@@ashwinb6435 may be you converted to Hinduism not we. We know what is truth and who is true God. We have tremendous evidence for our faith like archeological, historical and scientific. Not like you who don't have single evidence for your faith.
@@philipkolusu guy walking on water?turning water to wine?khud tetanus se mar gaya tumko kya bachayega😂😂
Lmao
@@SaurabhDube195 with God all things are possible. There is possibility supernatural things occur if God exists. I have a question, does Mahabharat really happened, is there evidence?. If it does then Krishna had a sex with shiva. Is this you think is moral?.
I am from punjab. there is widespread discrimination against dalit sikhs. Jat sikhs have their own separate gurudwaras, community centres and cremation grounds. Dalit sikhs cannot go there. This led to opening of various Deras in punjab. Upper caste sikhs do exploit the women of dalit community. Once my jat sikh friend told me that jat sikh used to get physical favours from dalit women just because they want some cattle fodder from jats to feed their cattle. I was shocked to hear
Same here in MP
Edit: I'm from Madhya Pradesh. I belong to rajput caste. I heard same stories from my cousins. This is a nationwide problem
जाका गला तुम काटे हो, सो फिर काटे तुम्हार
Karma will bite their ass one day, as said by saint Kabir
@Tarun Singh fer tuc kujjj Kare kyu ni
I.am ravidassia Hindu really sad to hear this ☹️
@Gur.Cheema obviously whole community is not responsible for this but problem exists among us.
I actually never expected cast system from Punjab since I lived in Ludhiana for 4 years and never saw discrimination happening.
The only solution to such problems in India is to be atheist. I mean China and Japan are doing quite great .
Japan actually has untouchables. Most asian nations do. As for europe, look at how they treat gypsies. Look at how the US treats its black people. Other places are just better at hiding it. Its all PR.
@@sumitgupt2901 You cannot defeat casteism with caste based reservations ??? See below ---- The Centre said the flaws were glaring from the simple statistics that in the 1931 Census, the total number of castes enumerated were just 4,147 but in the 2011 SECC, these were more than 46 lakh. “Assuming that some castes may bifurcate into sub-castes, the total number cannot be exponentially high to this extent,” it said. “SECC 2011 data suffer from infirmities making it unusable for any official purposes and cannot be mentioned as any official document,” it said and informed the court that Census 2021, preparations for which are in the final stages, would collect data on SCs and STs and not on enumeration of OBCs. ---- Can you please xplain to me from where did 49 lakhs new castes come up in the last 80 years ??? You have been living in India and you don't know that people frequemtly make up their castes ???
Japan is 99% Buddhist , China have a significant atheist population but also have 200 million plus Buddhists, 50 million plus Christians etc
@@excitableboy7031 japan has no such things and even if they have , comparing japan the safest country in the world and Europe, the richest continent and also one of the safest ones to India is a joke.
@@biggdaddyy japan is 99% atheist population. No one waste their time for chanting bullshit. They enjoy their festivals as carnivals not as religious thing. I have been to japan. Average Japanese barely knows anything about religion. And this is the same case for most developed countries ( i should say all)
In India all religious teach equality but our society has caste division, there is caste inside dalits
The Koran doesn't teach equality. It has more hate than the speech of any politician in India
No religion classifies its believers in a way as bad as Hinduism. Other religious books divide believers and non believers and abuse the non believers. But hindu religious book and its entire structure is based on varna and jati based divisions.
@@akilkudil moron, In Tamil Nadu, Dalit Christians are persecuted compared to normal Christians. And this video is for Sikhs. So why you getting Hinduism..?
@@akilkudil tell me where dalits and adivasis word are written in hindu scriptures. you taamil nadu people think you are smart enough ?
@@akilkudil Jati and varna divisions are intended to provide social security not to discriminate against people. Jati and varna divisions guaranteed employment for everyone. There was no unemployment problem in jati and varna based societies.
Ambedkar ask Dalit to fight not to flee..He even accepted Buddhism because it is from this same soil... Christianity don't solve your problem..
@theindiansocialistgive example and proof
What is highlighted here is also true throughout the country, in the villages we haven't been able to bring equality or at least rather lack of discrimination
Ot sbe aise of communist and musisores thata qas their only hope to conquer infia you nee fti indeetand thst in coties bjpnwas strong soncast is almost demilahed innbillages vongrrs and communist qere so there ate st 🙏oo segregation
Of we woild have seprate nation it wol.end like thers is no caste ayatem amonh nonn infia hindus onounteaminnin india bevaisebits sbusiness fir isalm chtstins sikhs etc
I remember the webseries 'Pataal Lok' on how dalits are treated in Punjab
I thought Sikhism was free from casteism 😵😵
@Ravitesh Kumar sikhism is free but not Sikhs so stfu
Punjab like Bengal were the most successful and influential states in India. The influence of Punjabis and Bengalis in Indian mainstream is thinning out.
Check out Punjab influence in USA UK BRITISH. Keep jealous Punjab haters.
@@YankeeForever2001 ya that's also waning
@@craumm keep hating loser gujju
@@YankeeForever2001 lol I am not a gujju. Also why are u assuming I am hating someone. The influence is indeed going down.
@Tarun Singh I never understood why some folks like you have hatred towards Punjabis it may be your inferiority complex.
Dear @theprint the killing at the "farmers protest" by nihangs is "allegedly"? the nihangs who did this are openly saying it that we did it, they are being garlanded in jatt sikh gurudwaras in punjab as heroes. and you still say "allegedly"?
They talked about alleged reason
@@Masiba7517 you must be hindu and SC hating jatt sikh !
Finally Dalits can entre a religious place with respect without guilt like a Church..! So beautiful...!!!!
Jatts have destroyed the humaneterian sikh panth which baba nanak have started .
Very sad 😔. Time for Channi Saab to change this discrimination. Thanks print for the details.
So sad to see people struggling for basic necessity, hope punjab government does something to help them out soon 🙏
Have you not seen people struggling for basic necessity all over India?
@@hmin5927 so? The video is about punjab
@@Sonydev19 OK, but they are doing the same thing ALL OVER INDIA eg in Kerala and in Tamil Nadu where the whole demographics have been changed.
@@hmin5927 unable to understand what you are saying, you are talking about something different totally
@@Sonydev19 Forgive me , I do not mean to be rude but I think you are either a total dimwit or pretending to be one.
In india even Christianity has upper and lower caste, other religions are no exception 😉
In Christianity all are recognised as equals no upper or lower caste all are same in the eyes of God.
@@josephthomas1035 oh shut up, so called "dalits" of tamil nadu who were brainwashed to convert to christianity are not even allowed in upper caste churches, my friend kalpana herself was not allowed
In Christianity cast doesn't exist
@@TusharSharma-cy9xo Bring your friend kalpana to me we will allow her and may God bless kalpana and Tushar both with his love and grace to experience his divine love. 🙏🙏🙏
Also among Pakistani Muslim.
What is needed in change of mindset
Just bringing someone representing a particular caste only aggrevates the problems
Division of Hindus into General, OBC, SC & ST is existential threat to Hinduism.
By the time Hindu realize this, their followers would have a Bible in their hands...
Caste & reservations form a vicious circle which not only puts the country backward but also leads to religious conversions of Hindus by militant and proselyting faiths. Best way to deal with this is increase privatisation and uniting Hindus. Only way to unite Hindus is promoting nationalism & giving quotas to economically backward categories also to decrease the envy among Hindus. We all know which party is doing all these things. Jai Shri ram.
@@AsishKumar-xe8rd The destiny of those with Bible in their hands is to fight with those with Quran in their hands for the oldest and bloodiest property dispute in history over the city of Jerusalem.
it's been more then 70 years since independence. the reservation have done its job in uplifting some of them but the respect and equality they want has remained the same as it was pre independence... the patience of Dalits have run out, so they are seeking different path now.
@@desistarktm7270 Quota is like extortion. People say you give me quota otherwise I will convert and then you relent. In the process you harm those who are not demanding reservation and give them incentive to start demanding by claiming victimhood.
All the silliness, from hair to sword, and still casteism.Such a lost cause for a lifetime of inconveniences. Great exposure and eye opener.
Even Muslims and Christians have caste system! Nobody talks abt it. You wont find a single pastor from Dalit community in Goa
Since you are concerned about the dalits, please make a dalit, a Christian and make him a pastor! Or you become a pastor for dalits!
@@hrk4475 u convert to Islam first
@@zubairhabib8502 Lol didn't you just said, muslims have casteism too ! And Ambedkar discarded Islam and Sikhism because of Casteism
Buddhism is eternal truth !
@@exoticindiaa : Yes, muslims have castes too! Arabs are considered best and ideal muslims
@@zubairhabib8502 Islam in 3 words is Violence, Money & Sex.
In one word SCAM.? Did prophet mohd sin muslims says NO but quran says YES, 48:2, 47:19, 40:55.
3:28 act friendly to lie to non believers.(taqiyya) wow. Muslim must believe in allah & mohd.Don't ask questions regarding faith.
5:101 Stay Brainwashed/Ignorant.
Muslims are victims islam. Love them.
Education is an enemy of islam. Knowledge exposes/stop the spread of twisted idology.
Violence The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: 5:33, 9:14, 9:29, 9:123, 47:4, 66:9.
And tell your co religionists stop bombing each others (Shia, sunnies, ahmadiyya, sufi) mosque and to stop killing innocent people.
Money
Quran 2:245, 57:11, 5:12 Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow."
? allah require a loan/money to forgive sins.
Sex
33:50] O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort.(? Why this previlage only for mohd & not for muslim).
66:1-5 caught having sex with a slave girl in his wife hafsa's bed.
33:37 married his adopted son wife Zainab and married a 6 yrs old girl name aisha.
Mohd had 13 wife and many slave girls.
? Is this book of God ? or imagery allah speaking to fulfill mohd's power, wealth and sexual desires.
Hadith and Sirah of mohd are embracing for the prophet and Muslims.
Muslims are victims of islam due to islamist idology which promotes poverty, ignorance and violence in the land. e.g. Afghanistan, Syria, lraq, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia etc.
Hate the idology but love the person.
To know more follow CP, Sam Shamoun, Apostate prophet etc on RUclips and other social media sites.
For people thinking Punjab is a richest state, whole state,s GDP is less than Bengaluru city GDP. Let that sink in.
Punjab since2007 has less farm growth than Bihar sink that too, Pubjab has become tirhartiya and drugs cartal, it's up to people of Punjab what they want.
In the same spirit, please compare California and India's GDP as well 😀
@@sudhanshusrivastava1969 Bangladesh has higher growth rate than US, Germany, France, UK and Japan combined. Let that sink in too.
Very true. Bollywood gives a rich version of the state. In fact the state has gone to a rut long time back. It will take them at least 10 years to catch up with South India.
@@dumbledore192 no doubt Punjab is facing multiple social issues right now. But the fact is, a lot of states are comparable to it in terms of economic prosperity. What differentiates Punjab is its richness of heart, which sadly the miser gujjus and the over-analytical mallus will never get a hang of.
Outstanding coverage of a subject less discussed. This eye opener episode should stir human conscience. Compliments The PRINT for this story.
These Jatts seem to be the most underrated and underreported oppressive community.
Excellent Report.
Becoming better human is more important than wearing new shiny cloths or religion.
Don't know in which world u live,illetrate ppl r changing their religion for 2 sacks of rice.They may feel that changing religion will change their social status but they will continue as dalits Christians.
@@jaykashyap_ instead of being fixated on their religious conversion, ask yourself what you are doing to alleviate their hardship. Talk is cheap, words are plentiful and actions are precious.
Are you doing anything meaningful to help them in living their lives? If the answer is no, then it is time to quit talking and start doing something to help the downtrodden. The value of 2 sacks of rice is relative. For those who are dirt poor, 2 sacks of rice means a lot and the helping hand they get from charitable institutions in the form of healthcare, education and upward mobility in society means even more.
You are better off helping your brothers and sisters in need instead of running your mouth in your quest to run them down for finding new faith that offers them strength and hope they long for.
I think dalit Christian is a naali ka keeda
Only upper cast Christian
being punjabi I'll say this report is 100 % correct
Nice report and good editing @Urjita👌
I would request to all my dalit punjabi and sikh brothers and sisters that u should accept christianity and live ur life with freedom and joy.
7:27 they wouldn't convert if you didn't discriminate against them. That's all.
They didn't and don't need you to fulfill their needs.
They just don't want and don't like you making it hard for them to fulfill their needs.
Christian missionaries have targets and commissions for converting people.
@@agamjotsingh2922 yeah? To those missionaries, everybody who is not Christian, is a target. But not everyone converts.
That means people who do convert because of those missionaries must have their own reasons to convert.
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why would i even wanna leave my house, let alone live in somebody else's if I'm very much loved in my own.
If you are mean, angry, hateful person, you will find a way to hate and discriminate everyone else around you, just converting to some other religion is not going to make any difference. You have to make change in yourself, which is impossible for many people.
This Christianity conversion is real, I was shocked to see for ist time when one such group came to our medical college and conducted this in our auditorium.
After that I came to know more and more about this as moved acros different parts of Punjab in various hospitals the class 3,4 staff had punjabi names but were Christian religiously as I asked more in curiosity I came to know that these Christian organization's give financial benefits to poor if they convert to Christianity and it made sense bcoz what they are offering cannot be just ignored by the people in need ,they give free education to their children's in good Christian schools,the clothes and lots of other benefits even jobs
I think dalit Christian is a naali ka keeda
Only upper cast Christian
Very distressed 😫 and saddened by abject poverty of majhvi Sikhs! The only heartening news was evidence of improvement of Ravidasias!
Iam no commie but there's a reason why some of our favourite freedom fighter were communist..they knew very well that casteism will keep on living unless there's a cultural revolution ...
Bhagat Singh's family ran away from Lahore like a coward... What was he fighting for in Lahore when the entire city was to be cleansed of it's Hindu and Sikh population during partition ???
I don't believe in communism
- DR BR AMBEDKAR
When ever communism implemented, it failed
- ELON MUSK
@@radicalambedkarite2113 "i never said that"
Elon Musk/ BR Ambedkar
@Dattatreya Jana dude ..next u will tell me he was religious person 🤣
Why then the communist party of India has only Brahmins in their top decision making body? At least BJP were able to make a Dalit President and an OBC PM through popular votes. What have commies done?
Unless people and govt don't start to appeal to the reasonability of hardcore casteist people against discrimination, this will continue for a long long time.
Why nothing on indic options taken by dalits like valmiki and different deras Buddhism and the ravidasia religion ?
These are huge social movements
Why spotlight only on abrahamic faiths ?
Indic local religions are also important .
Because abrahamic faiths have more resources while indic groups are more disorganised. Only rss has been successful to some extent in reconnecting them back to their indic roots .
@@surajs5913 RSS has abrahamised hinduism and has copied many aspects of Missionary religions in the name of being “organised”. It is certainly not connecting people to Indic roots. Only to political Hindutva roots.
@@akshatsrivastava4280 i think i believe it has abrahamised but what other choice is there when you have systematically destroyed the institutions of the religion.
@@akshatsrivastava4280 in what manner do you think rss has "abrahamised" hinduism. What do you define as "abrahamisation"? Is it monotheism or allegiance to a single diety? The vilification and dehumanising of ones opponents? Or speaking of absolutes? Define your definition of "Abrahamisation" and then i may get a better understanding...
@@surajs5913 by Abrahamisation, I mean that it has made our religion into something political. There wasn’t any concept of mass conversion in Hinduism but now we see things like “Ghar Wapsi” en masse under RSS and its chaddi buddy organisations.
Never before has any dharmic religion meen so centralised. Our beauty has been our diversity. Yet their attempt has always been to centralise Hinduism with headquarters at Nagpur.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: you will rarely see RSS people discuss the philosophical and esoteric ideas of existence, that make Hinduism what it is. No debates about Ātman, Brahmana, Moksha or any of the rich philosophical concepts we have. It is always political. See Bhagwat’s recent Dusshera speech and tell me how much he talked about Hindu (or Vedic) philosophy and how much about politics and strategic issues.
Ambedkar - greatest founding father of the country - without his modern constitution- our country would have been very backward!
No witout ambedlar we would have bee betyer off we would have desoteydbthe casye look how non indiannhindu have no caste oroblemmor city hindus its only where chretins and comunisybwantsbtonruoe
Christianity is for all people of every nation, rich or poor, low-born or high-born, male or female. The Lord Jesus Christ called us to become a new people transformed into his image. All that is necessary is repentance and faith. Please, read the Gospels to find out more information. Christianity is not foreign to India, but has been in India for almost two thousand years when the Apostle Thomas came to this land.
The best of journalism!!! Pleas keep up the great work.
India can Never achieve a great Nation/ Society status or even prosper until the Cast hierarchy is completely eliminated. We should become a cast less society.
This can only be achieved by eliminating all religions. China is prospering relative to India because religions are kept in charge or not encouraged.
@@ravisharma167 the US has plenty of Christians and you don’t see this problem here. It’s Hinduism specifically.
@@xaviercopeland2789 what about Islam
@@ravisharma167 Malaysia are turkey are islamic but developed than indiaa
@Aryan Hassan Is Pakistan developed? Sunni Barelvi, Deoband, and Ahmadia are manifestations of caste division as well. They're all Islamic.
I'm from NawanShahr Punjab. This documentry 100% ture. 👍
Ok a lot of ignorant comments are mentioning that Punjab is worst place for Dalits. Consider following points:
1) Dalits don't face untouchability in Punjab which is a general norm in India.
2) They are not asked to shave off their moustaches or prohibited from riding a horse.
3) Dalits even make discrimination among themselves (mentioned in the video as well) so how can they say other communities are not treating them well?
4) Don't know about Gurdwara Sahibs at some villages but there is absolutely no discrimination in any of the Historic Gurdwara Sahibs. Everyone eat langar by sitting with each other irrespective of caste (purpose of langar system was to rectify this problem).
5) Our Granthi Singh (Priests) and Ragi Singh (Sermon Singer's) are from different communities and all of them are well respected in community.
6) Some folks were saying Punjabi songs reflect jatt supremacy, who is stopping from other communities to sing song in the name of their own caste?
7) In the video first case was about land dispute which is very normal in India/punjab (even real brothers get into spat over this). Another guy was simply upset because he didn't have shoes (which doesn't reflect any discrimination). A lady was complaining that she didn't get her share of food grains/pensions due to her caste ( it is case of corruption). One man was saying that system is run by upper caste (jatts are not considered as upper caste by varna systems). And even if jatts are considered as upper caste then reservation is there you can join and change the rules even though alot of rules are already there to safeguard the interests of dalit community.
8) Now about singhu border incident the victim and accused both are Dalits but all of you keep mentioning the caste of victim only.
9) Lastly there is no caste but simply economics/wealth behind all this. People who are well off irrespective of their caste go along well. I can't put this in any simple language.
Your comment is unfortunately the worst form of interpretation that anyone can come up with... However each of your point gives this article all the more relevance and backing. Now ur thoughts not only tells us what's wrong in the system but it begs us to ask a simple question how did we go so wrong as humans ?
Nice one thanks for the team print.
Caste system is in Indian DNA. In the advanced and educated Kerala also there are seperate churches for dalit christians and upper caste Christian wish print will do a story on this issue.
I have never seen or heard of separate churches for upper and lower castes in Kerala. Please help The Print out by sharing details here for further investigation.And even if they don't do a report we could know the truth behind this.
@@sheenaverghisjoshy there is no upper or lower caste temple either. Caste word itself isn't in Hinduism.
My question is not about castes. It is asking for clarification from Nirmala Kumari for what she has posted as a comment.
@@sheenaverghisjoshy Who was Kevin who got killed by his upper caste Christian lover's family?
Everyone is welcome in churches in kerala. It does not matter your caste, economic background or religion. If you want to pray in peace you’re welcome to come to kerala churches.
refreshing to see real “journalism,” for a change. more data, less shouting. thank you, print!!
Dalits of Punjab don't convert into Abrahamic Christianity..If you wanna convert then convert into Buddhism
this is eye opening, So even monotheistic religion failed to provide equality for everyone in their social structure. Both Quran and Guruwani can't change our true feeling about other people in society.
Neither will Christianity. This is exploitation of a bad situation by Europen governments. Notice that all over India people have started to have Christian names.
@@hmin5927 yeah why are you people hindu sikhs giving your kids Christian names its for Christian only. Christian names hold meaning. You dont see any Christian naming their kids narayan, ram, lakshman never but you hindus and sikhs take up our names and culture to be cool. European goverment such as france and russia exploting india im pretty sure they dont give a shit about india.
@@jasonhenry8122 I have thought about this myself for a long time and I suspect a multiple of reasons are involved including but not limited to the fact that they are educated in Christian Convent Schools where the parents do not realise the long term damage they are inflicting on the kids.
Also the after effects of colonialism and the world domination by Christian ( ie, European ) culture.
I can say a lot but I hope this suffices.
@@hmin5927 Are you dumb enough to not know that parents name their kids before they're enrolled in a school. You cannot enroll a kid without a name. And why you people hindus and so keen to get education from our Christian institution. But we don't discriminate against anyone we accept all. And if you guys have a problem with Christian schools teaching about Christianity then study in your sanatan dharam schools. It's our institution we have a right to talk about our faith. We are not bound by the hindu laws to not teach about Christianity. We will do whatever we want cause we are not causing any jihad we are not killing anyone or bombing anyone. Christians have freedom to talk about their faith. You try to scare or stop us we will talk even louder. Our Holy Bible tells us to not fear death at all.
Dude do not try to act funny with me. You did not fully understand what I wrote,,,,,, _ * I suspect a multiple of reasons are involved including but not limited to the fact that they [ the parents ] are educated in Christian Convent Schools _*
Christian organisations in the West are spending more than the annual budget of the Indian Navy in missionary ie, conversion work in India and this is the result. Have no fear this is a Hindu government in control .
Look at African Christians ... still niggers in the West
"Sikh Dalit" ???
How...
I thought that Sikh woman are called Singh and Woman are Kaur.. And there was no Discrimination...
It still exists but ppl aren’t racist
@@verifiedstalker6820 singhu border murder case - uppercaste nihang sikh killed dalit sikh
@@radicalambedkarite2113 nihang sikhs r not upper caste..they r mostly dalits too..!!the murderer who surrendered to the police was also a dalit...
@@radicalambedkarite2113 it was because he allegedly did blasphemy not because of caste
@@verifiedstalker6820 don't they discriminate against blacks from Africa ? ..if yes then they are racist I think you confused race with something else ...almost all north indians are from same race..
Christian missionaries are converting dalit Sikhs to Christianity. SGPC and damdami takshal were in hibernation when this conversion racket was in full momentum.
Simran becomes Samuel 😀
Sgpc apni power ko maintain krne mein mast hai
@@cinnowSimran remains Simran for YHWH calls mankind and womankind by NAME.
YHWH is Creator of All Creation, The Holy of All holies is not bond futile constraints of human culture and false demi gods.
Hallelujah Hallelujah
First there was the Word and the Word was with GOD and the Word was GOD. Then the Word became Flesh and dwelled among us.
Team SG ,, very good journalism.. thanks for this video..
✝️ I pray for the hearts of believers and nonbelievers to find what God intended to be a better way of life and living with each other.
When a upper caste converts to another religion, I can try and convince them to stay.
But if a dalit converts, there is no logical reason you can give for him to stay. There is NO reason for a dalit to remain Hindu. The best I could say is try going for Buddhism.
Sahi baat bhaiii
Hame ab poori tarah se bhedbhav hatana chahiye
But our generation has improved
And I'm sure our kids will not witness casteism in our community 👍👍🙏
Even if someone is a dalit, he is still a hindu.. You can let him know the greatness of the religion and make him stay.. The greatest epic of Hinduism Ramayana is written by a chandala and the author of mahabharat the great veda vyasa is the son of a fisher women.. Lord krishna was a yadhava... So Hinduism is not a religion only meant for the upper cast Hindus.. Actually the brahmins had misused their influence in the society to make the caste system and in order to get all the privileges and to remain unquestionable in society..
@@akshayts6482 जिस व्यक्ति को हिंदू शास्त्र ही वेद/उपानिषद पढ़ने से मना करते हैं, जिसको मनुस्मृति संस्कृत सीखना तो दूर, संसकृत सुनने पर भी कान जलाए जाने का दंड देती है, उसे मैं क्या बताऊँ वेदों की महानता और राम की करुणा?
@Priyanka kumari ❤️ What happened beta.. Kya sabh tek hae.. I'm sad that you are suffering from vomiting.. Hope you will get well soon..
@@akshatsrivastava4280 I have told you that the selfishness of the Nobel community had made them stand away from this.. But still, saint were allowed to study vedas no matter which community you belongs to.. Moreover, now everyone gets a chance for studying veda if they want.. There are lots of non bhramin priests working in temples.. You cannot defame this great religion for the caste system because the religion doesn't put forward this idea to us.. Actually it's a dirt that had accumulated in the religion over the period of time.. It's a religion which teach you to work for the betterment of the world and not for the religion.. It's the religion that teach you to fight for truth and justice and not for God.. Unlike other Semitic religion which make their people belive that only they are right and all those who don't believe in their religion are evils and should be killed, Hinduism teach us to be tolerant and respect others culture.. It's the only religion which dare to say " Athmano mokshartham jagath hithayacha" & "Dharmo rakshathi rakshithaha". It's the religion which teach us that the God is within us i.e. Thathwamasi.. So bro.. If it is possible, all those dalit brothers who wish to get converted should get a chance to know the greatness of Hinduism.. At least they should try to know what Hinduism really if.. If they do so I'm sure they would definitely change their mind and would become strong believers of Hinduism because this is the only religion which gives you freedom.. Freedom to worship God in your own way.. Give your own concept to God.. Freedom to judge or question anything.. Moreover, the only religion that would let you feel that you are God as it is believed that we all are the part of paramathma.. Aham bramhasmi..
I Love my Country India. Indians should know their God the creator and saviour of the world Jesus Christ. God Bless India.
Jesus never say he is a god
@@ghostrider-nz1nc Jesus said that I Am that I Am which is how God identifies himself to Moses.
It feels bad seeing rotten caste system still prevailing not just among Hindus but in Sikh, Islam, Christianity & Buddhism.
It is no more releted to Hinduism but became regional.
Caste is something which appears to be immune to economic development
No more discrimination ..enough is enough good decision join christianity
I am a dalit from Punjab. There is jatt superimessi.
Tell me where, i am not from punjab
@@man58652 all over punjab
@@gorarajpoot2443 what they do? The jatts
@@man58652 they dont allow anyone other to come in power even sarpanch of a village.
@@gorarajpoot2443 in doaba all pind have sc sarpanch. So you are lying mr rajpt
Mazbhi Sikhs have been completely marginalized in Punjab,
I am From Boota Mandi Jalandhar - " The Citadel of Dalits ". I can say Doaba region is most Developed Dalit Dominated Land in Punjab in which lakhs of families of Chamar Valmiki families are settled in America Europe and Australia.
When Baba Saheb started his struggle in Maharashtra, Baba Manguram Mugowalia raised supporters for him in punjab and in 1920 Election first time 7 SC caste MLA won In Doaba Region of Punjab..
Whenever there is a atrocities against Dalit in Any part if Country whether Hatras, Rohit Vemula case Doaba Region always started and led the agitation.
Chamars of Doaba??
@@Chamarhistory A region in Punjab consists Jalandhar, Nawashahr, Kapurthala, Hoshiarpur and some tehsils of neighbouring districts.
A very nice reporting. Real facts !!
Great Job bringing truth in front of .
In delhi sikh there is no discrimination but Punjab is ruining sikhi
First of all,the government has to make a law not to mention the cast in any official document and should stop people from addressing their surname. Even in cricket teams, we see the names with their caste. Tamil Nadu is d only state where people strongly condemn this stupid system.
Government has to make law to stop adding their caste from school itself.
Yeah I admire TN model My whole family don't have a caste surname even I never met a Tamil guy with Caste surname still now but at the same time TN is Biggest hotspot for Missionarys who exploits poor low caste people Using their situation for conversion
No matter what... Sikhism need to be protected. They stand for destitute without discrimination.
Needs a lot of soul searching when you are confronted with casteism amongst Sikhs ....a religion that promotes social service--feed everyone irrespective of religion,wipe the shoes irrespective of whose .... Brings us to the fact that man is a social animal and needs to create groups to feel the sense of belonging and upmanship .... I wonder if there is a way to live as equals in true sense of the word .
Not being mentally attached to anything ....sikhism says only then you will see everyone as equal
Communism and Christianity.