Bruh I'm a shitty warrior but everytime I load in and I'm rusty af and I just start swinging then I read the chat n see someone say "tank stance" I just click it n think to myself "thanks teammate"
Woolie acting like he can judge other Teppen players when we saw him drop Nero to netdeck a broken Zero Exodia deck to climb the Ranked ladder. Glass houses, homie.
Zero Exodia isn't even that popular in the current meta. Now Zero is all about using cards with the Slow debuff and then give them Agility and/or dispelling the Slow and give it to the enemy. Black card nerfs someday. Maybe.
@@LightningZerker It was the meta at the time and black cards will never get nerfed because Teppen's design team have no idea what they're doing. They keep giving colors or characters the ability to nuke the board or delete key units in a game where it's hard to build a board. That's literally been a problem from day 1.
@John Library Exodia has always been playable. However all pieces have been limited to 1 copy per deck. And Yugioh has had a history of banning or limiting cards that make Exodia decks too strong.
@@Coinman121 granted, Exodia is not good in multiples. a 5 card combo is not good, it's the draw power that lets you get 5 particular cards in your deck that is.
@@Coinman121 honest question from a guy who hasn't played yugioh in a decade- what is stopping someone from making a deck where five of the cards are exodia and the other 35 are spell cards that let you draw more cards, and then just drawing their whole deck in the first turn?
Yesterday I deleted a gun in Destiny 2 because the power number would never be able to go up again. It was my Crucible shotgun I've used since Forsaken launch, with 3000+ kills on it. Right next to it in the Vault was a gun with the same name that arbitrarily CAN raise its power because it was received later. The amount of hate this transaction provoked in me seems to be increasing over time.
DotA's Coach system isn't the same as the Mentor system, because when you're a coach, you aren't playing the game, you are virtually watching over a "Student's" Shoulder and giving them advice in real time with pings and chat directions. In FFXIV, when you're a mentor, you are a member of the party, you are participating, you are trying to both learn who is making what mistakes, and actively fighting them to get them to both admit they're making mistakes AND convince them to fix said mistakes, just so you can finish the damn encounter. And they never admit they're making mistakes. Ever.
Yeah. You could be the best ranking player ever who knows the ins and outs of every instance but the response will still be "I know what I'm doing so stfu"
@@MrTybo555 A quick look from the Dota wiki, Coaching only exists for Casual matches, and you're specifically queuing up to Coach a specific player you're in a party with.
Does Woolie know about the wow blood plague because that is a really cool way to show how different people act in a bad situation. Its a really cool look into peoples psysicology
I feel extremely old to come in here and say that I "lived" thru that blood plague (in like 2005 or 2006 I guess?). Came back from afk and my ass was dead on the ground cos of it. 😂
And all for different reasons: -Stasis was released busted to sell Beyond Light. -Sunsetting has been done much better in Destiny 1, but Bungie implemented it extremely poorly in D2. -Content Vaulting just feels bad, considering the content being released (Wrathborne Hunts especially) pales in comparison, and losing something you paid to access with no compensation of any kind is abysmal. And now Transmog will apparently be a "pay to bypass grind" system. Not great.
@@xsoultillerx But Halo 4 was okay at best, Halo 5 was dogshit, and Infinite had to be delayed a full year because the showcase was worse than an end-of-life PS3 game.
@@RohanSpartin still better than the whole of destiny 1's first year. things just kept getting worse and worse that i pretty much gave up on it & never looked back. and judging by how things look from destiny 2 i made the right call. they didn't learn a damn thing from their mistakes.
I love Destiny, and I have a very simple method for playing that game. “Am I having fun?” If there is a moment where I’m no longer having fun, I stop playing.
Gotta love the Crazy Talk at 8:54 or so when Pat's talking about "Regens don't stack" like, nah dude, regens do stack, shields don't. But otherwise... yeah.
I loved Valheim for the first 40 hours and then when I hit the "grind for bog iron" phase of the game I spent the next 10 hours hating my life before uninstalling. It was kind of fascinating, the denouement into loathing that usually takes me several hundred hours in an MMO set in like flipping a light switch that time.
I did all 2000 mentors in XIV, it wasn't all bad. Most of the time it was really smooth, however it is hilarious when they match you with others in Europe who don't speak your language. MENTOR THE EXCHANGE STUDENT WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND. Also you see a lot of weird stuff like very rarely, the occasional players who will fail like the simplest guild heists ever.
This used to happen all. The. Time. When I played WoW, cause living in Scotland means guess what; same catchment area as these fuckers in France, who actively despise your language. Wasn’t always French folk, but basically there were more times that you’d ask a question or seek clarification for something and your answer was coming back in a language you had no hope of understanding
I think the frustration is that Team games are mostly designed with set roles and if the Healer or Tank dies or messes up the run tends to go to shit. Meanwhile in games like Counter Strike without set roles a good enough player can carry and win the match for their teammates. It's also why the Behemoth fight in MHW isn't the best, since it changes a game where you normally jump into any fight with any weapons more into having "roles" and forcing 4 person teammate and more strict do or die mechanics.
that's the fun part with dota, everyone can have weird ass builds in casuals like a beefy support that can forever stunlock a player because the RNG is in their favor as well as their stats and if you wanna play a bit more seriously you can do that both in rank or in casual play. it's not as fast-paced as LoL but you have more freedom with your builds with your characters
Alright Woolie, here's a fun one. Back in the day LoL's honor system gave out ribbons. Ribbons only showed up in champ select and in the loading screen, and there were 4 kinds of ribbons (1 for each type of Honor you could receive from allies, plus 1 more for the one you can receive from opponents). Ribbons did nothing other than showed that you were honored a lot (and if you were in the top 10% of a specific rating type you'd get a special icon to use as your account avatar, of which I collected them all). What ended up happening, is that after the first 2ish weeks of the system hitting live the tier list was established. 1:" Blue" AKA "Great Mentor", the ribbon for being rated as a helpful teammate who actually knew what they were talking about and gave good advice. (Understandably very rare, as you both needed someone who knew what they were talking about and wasn't a toxic dickbag about it AND someone to be doing badly enough to need help but also not tilt-y enough to get butthurt at said advice.) 2: "Yellow" AKA Great Leader", the ribbon for being rated as a good shotcaller by your team (whether throughout the match or just for calling out the game winning play). Not exactly common, but not rare either, usually 1-2 per match. 3: "Green" AKA "Great Teammate", the ribbon for being rated as a friendly player and basically the go-to for anyone who didn't fit either of the above. Very common, about as common as the next one. 4: "Red" AKA "Worthy opponent", the ribbon for being rated as a non BM player by people on the other team (there was a subset of this group who got their ribbons for being sarcastically rated that way by people who got fed off them or who were toxic towards their team, thus making it easier for the other team to win, but Reds who got it this way were about as rare as Blues.) Again, very common. 5: Unrated AKA "bro how do you not have a ribbon?". About as "rare" as a Yellow, again usually 1 per team. But shown visually the way the community (un)consciously treated you was like this: 1 >>> 2 > 3 >> 4 >>>>>>>>>> 5. The result of all of this was that you would go into champ select and LITERALLY be able to see who would be toxic just by scrolling down the name list and seeing which poor fool didn't have a ribbon of any kind. Ribbons were incredibly easy to acquire, honoring was unlimited and you could do it on anyone/everyone else in the match, so NOT having one meant that you either were such a nonfactor that NO ONE cared enough to rate you (extremely unlikely), OR you were toxic and the reports/punishments you were getting were nullifying any Honors you did receive. I can't tell you how many times I'd play LoL, see 1 person who didn't have a ribbon, and then just wait and look for ANYTHING to go wrong for that player and have them immediately start acting toxic. It was insanely consistent, from both teams (because Riot in all their wisdom decided letting you see the other team's ribbons was a good idea, which led to...). But the most entertaining part? Seeing all the bullying the ribbonless would get. People would camp their lanes just to tilt them and watch them implode, or bully them out of roles/champs they wanted in champ select, or just outright ignore anything they said in chat. In lobbies it was practically a brand showing that you were a second class citizen, and in game being ribbonless put a giant target on their back (that they almost always wouldn't be able to handle the mental pressure of), thus leading to a feedbck loop of toxicity that most people couldn't escape from. On the other hand if you DID have a non-red Ribbon, you'd get treated extremely well. People would actually listen to your calls, or try to camp for you, or just generally be legitimately good teammates (even if they fed their ass off). Hell, if you fed they'd just go "bad game, np" a lot of the time instead of ripping into you or trolling (unless it was one of the ribbonless, who usually would respond the way you'd expect a LoL player to respond). It was glorious, never before were my matches so stress free. I knew exactly who would have weak mental, who could be relied on, that people would actually listen to what I said (whether advice or shot calling), and if shit went bad and I fed most people wouldn't cause a stink about it. But alas, Riot quickly saw what was happening and changed how the system worked, for admittedly good reasons. Turns out having an unofficial underclass of people wasn't exactly the most fun thing for said people, and so not so long later Ribbons disappeared, now replaced by a basic flair that merely marked that you'd been honored in your last match. - Was the pain the Ribbonless had to go through worth the massively improved gameplay experience for the other 80% of players in the match? That's for you to decide, but I'll say this, I miss those days and always knowing who was gonna be the dick that ruined the fun for everyone before anyone even said a word.
Another fun one about the old Honor system was when the Tribunal existed, which was a way for players to decide whether people who were toxic actually deserved punishment or not. Basically, voluntary jury duty (complete with getting a pittance of in-game cash). However that system was a crapshoot for a few reasons. 1: It was opt in, and not that many people knew about it. 2: You only got your reward if you were on the majority side once the player in question was done being judged. If you said No but every one else said Yes, you get jack shit. 3: The only people who showed up in the Tribunal were people who were getting reported ALL THE TIME, which meant that you knew for an absolute fact that almost every player who you got to vote on absolutely DID deserve it. 4: Voting was as easy as scrolling down the page past the chat log then clicking "Yes" (AKA "Deserved") / "No" (AKA "Nah they good"). The result was that people would log in, vote Yes on everyone regardless of whether or not they deserved it (but to be fair, they almost always did deserve it, like 96 times out of 100), then wait for the cash to come in. It was never a huge amount, but it was a nice boost on the side. This system was eventually replaced with the auto-mod system that basically did the same thing the players were doing but way faster and more accurately. TL:DR, instead of going to the Tribunal when you were reported enough, you'd get sent to the bot which would then scroll for the list of naughty-no-no's it'd been programmed to look for and then hit you with a punishment if you didn't pass. This is the punishment system that's still in the game actually, it works surprisingly well.
On the Astro thing Pat was talking about, Astros toolkit works more in tandem with regens, some of their cooldowns extend the effects of their spells, which with shields doesn't do anything since the shield would probably die out before the time ran out normally anyway, not to mention that they suffer a potency gimp when they go shield, they shield for less than they regen. Plus Regens stack so there's no reason to not just double stack regens with White Mage where as shields don't stack at all, even with Scholar the other Shield healer. There's a reason why they're reworking Astro to do away with the Shields cause no one likes Shield mode.
Guild Wars 2 has a similar system to Destinys Transmog system, you buy tokens and then "Spend" those tokens to make a piece of gear look like another. The skins you gain from items ingame are permanent but if you ever wanna apply a skin you gotta get one of those tokens.
Pat forgot to mention that the public perception of that fucking crown has resulted in a lot of good mentors not wearing it because it's seen by a lot of people as a fucking dunce cone.
My most recent experience has to be with Monster Hunter I was never as analytical as I got with World/Icebourne. So many fad weapons you could tell immediately if someone was doing some silly gimmick build or setup and it was so frustrating seeing them go flying because they refused to adapt to the monster's behavior.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Pat. Destiny will have one good thing happen, then fuck up like 5 things at once. Like when Forsaken came out and I loved PvP again and then they go "no no no. You gotta hate PvP. Let's add SBMM to every list." So then my option became play the one playlist that didn't have it alone and deal with a 6 man stack, or do the tryhard play list and also suffer because my teammates eat paint chips while the other team is flexing non stop. And don't even get me started with the fact they removed like 90% of the old content just put shit back in from the first game. God! I'm glad I jumped off that burning ship at some point at least.
I had this feeling a while back in MTG standard when Threefrey esper was rampant. I hated playing standard when that and OKO were everywhere and there was no other decks around.
I know that these guys have talked about rage quitting being a degenerate move, but at least Woolie can understand the appeal of doing it when you're tired of fighting people with basic bitch decks and they only have a high rank cuz they keep spamming gud cards until they win.
@@lodestarrobot Oh yeah; commander is like the only way to play magic enjoyably. I'd play anything else myself, but even with commander it's a matter of still needing to find the right group of people to casually play magic with.
@@theprofesionalist7927 eh. the fact that near power nine cards are part of it, and I have no stomach for politics in a battle royal makes it not fun for me.
13:27 - you CAN get that, especially on first kills. Case in point: in wow (circa Burning Crusade; what i'm about to say is very probably no longer accurate), i played an arms/fury warrior which there straight-up wasn't a raid spot for. not as much DPS as the rogues, not as much tank as the pallys/tank warriors. Whatever. My guild got to Vaelstrasz for the first time; his gimmick is that he wipes the raid in 3 minutes, but you get infinite resources AND can get a buff called "burning adrenaline" which gives you double threat/dps but also kills you dead in like 30 seconds. Short version, your tanks die at intervals regardless of what their health is, so you need a rotation. Also, positioning is important cuz - being a huge-ass dragon - he bites and breathes fire and shit like that, so you want his head pointed AWAY from the casters. Anyway. My babby-DPS-y ass was in with the tanks, constantly generating low threat - more than the casters, less than the "actual" tanks. Vael was at like 2% when our last "real" tank died - but I had a *lot* of threat, and I knew what the tanking mechanics were. So, I run to the tank spot, taunt him, pop fucking *everything*. Raid lead is shouting for people to heal me - and man do they try, but I just wasn't geared for tanking. So, I die. And then a second later, Vael dies. You're goddamn right we were celebrating that shit.
I remember having to be a backup tank as a warlock cuz stamina gear was legit the only thing people would let us have for a long ass time. Felt bad except the very few times it worked.
I have really enjoyed many iPhone games over the years, but every time I end up dropping them because getting the daily rewards always turned into a chore and took longer then I initially intended to play, and I felt like if I didn’t I would regret it when I picked it back up. On paper they are a good incentive but they are mentally exhausting to me and soured me on games I otherwise enjoy.
Sunsetting is actively stopping me from returning to Destiny 2. The shooting and gameplay remain fun, but I've never seen a decision destroy the appeal of loot so badly.
If they worked sunsetting into the story then it could be a fun little thing to take away from the obviousness of needing to take things out of the game to make room for additions
I dident expect the "i dont respect your playstyle" shit from woollie, thats some real scrub shit. If they aint cheating the results are the results, be better next time. I dont really think any ones respects is worth anithing on a competition, the only thing that deserves respect are results. You cant argue results. But then again he caught himself later and it was funny, or maybe it was a just a bit from the beginning, im pritty tone deff.
I’m still salty over Bungie putting everything interesting about Destiny lore and story into grimoire cards on a godamn separate app that Apple and Android don’t even support anymore, is an in-game codex THAT godamn hard to do but putting it in a separate app easier?
I barely know any destiny lore despite finishing both games for this reason. If they don't care enough to put it in the game it just makes me think that it isn't worth reading.
@@merk2364 I was a kind of “Lore keeper” for my crew when playing so I took it upon myself to learn the lore, it’s fascinating and no one cares because of how frustrating and tedious it is to achieve the cards, it’s why I know of only one Destiny lore channel in all of RUclips cause it’s like, no one plays the game anymore for anything but the Crucible
I'm both those players on League. I'm bad at the game but I want to win. It's super unhealthy, and even tho I do my best to not be toxic and just own up to my mistakes, I still learn nothing, and I feel salt flood into my veins.
omg that mmo talk bought back some memories, bro seriously people who play mmo's for dress ups and shit should not be going for hard shit thinking that spending 5 hours on a dungeon dying over and over again is normal.
Vanilla to Wrath was great... afflictionlock 4 lyfe stun spamming in battlegrounds and just having a chatroom over top alliance corpses in their graveyard was the best. You could taste the salt as they are forced to watch a single enemy party be productive while like ten people just spawn camp and chat.
Pat comes off as the sane one this time. Bad teammates are an understandable problem with random queues. Judging opponents you lose to in 1v1 pvp is a part of scrub mentality.
Just yesterday was doing the final Eden 8 man in ff14 on the normal difficulty, on normal. I can confirm 1 bad healer can doom an entire run. The gimmick of the fight is the boss will absorb an element biased on a picture you can see and cast a predetermined aoe. Every time the 1 healer would get caught in it then die after two or three because the vulnerability would become too much. But despite that we would get to the final phase then wipe because the heal rush would get too much for the one healer or he would make 1 mistake. Thus leaving us with no healers which would cause a wipe. It got to the point of putting an icon above the good healer and tanks head to show, please stand here when an aoe is coming I know how to dodge it this spot is safe. But nope... did 3 15 minute runs of this before abandoning because after 4 runs he was still dying on the first phase. In short, yeah pats right on the fact you can join a group and just tell how it’s going to go within 30 seconds of a run.
Necro post, but. Woolie's problem with high end Teppen is the same reason I don't like any competitive CCG at the high end. The room for skill narrows exponentially the higher you get. And while the very best of the best of the best narrowly squeak out more wins than others, mostly in any hugely populated game, it's about "do you have the $$$ to instantly swap to whatever the 55% winrate deck is vs the 53%" and "do you have the time to grind out enough games to climb the ranks". Too many good decks in games are only good because they have a relatively high probability of drawing one of many permutations of winning opening hands, where the chances of the opponent beating you if you draw well are incredibly low, combined with the usual favored matchups. It's the fighting game matchup problem exacerbated by RNG manipulation. It sucks. It's one of those things you probably don't notice until you play thousands upon thousands of games and then you start to see the Matrix. Even when you're winning and playing in grandmasters it can often feel like you don't really deserve it. You're just playing the odds and playing autopilot with the barest dash of skill and intuition thrown on top.
Smash Ultimate. Two of my buds pick some well balanced characters, Bowser, Palatania, n Link... Get frustrated that a Ridley n Deedeedee main keeps reading them.
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate and say that the "pay for transmog" thing most likely refers to the Eververse ornaments that you can buy for Silver(DestiBux), which can also be earned by spending Bright Dust that you get through in game activities. Also, they've stated that everything you have in your Collection (i.e. any armor you've gotten throughout all of D2) will be available for transmog.
I stopped playing Destiny 2 when Shadowkeep and Forsaken happened. Game Pass saved that game for me. Solid 7/10 if you don't have to buy the expansions directly.
Big shiny status symbol that was abused and mistaken for E-peen bonuses and attracted the nastiest, least helpful kind of people. They upted the hell out of the requirement and made sure there was no grandfathering, but some still get through despite it all
One of the most annoying things I've encountered in games is playing FighterZ and getting tod'd before I can even press a button. And the constant ganking in Gundam Battle Operation is ridiculous.
@@CrouTheBlackwingIt was almost hilarious last night when I got double teamed twice by a Gouf and Efreet Nacht traveling together. I was in a GM Camouf, so I got bodied.
Pat is pretty dead on about the mentor roulette. The most unfortunate aspect of it as well is that all of the difficult fights in there can be easily cleared outside of the roulette by just going in with level 80 players slaughtering the fights. When you have to do these fights at their natural difficulty with players who in no way will clear it in the allotted hour they have, it really boggles the mind why these fights even needed to be in the roulette. Progressing an extreme primal people are unfamiliar with usually can take 2 to 3 hours. No fucking way are you clearing any of those fights with new players that don't use their buttons or dodge basic shit.
When I play Apex Legends, for me when playing it’s all about finding out who’s better. You kill me, you’re better. I kill you, I’m better. I can’t get mad at that. Bad Teammates however... And the sweat balls....
i had a teammate lag on me in apex legends the other night, like full on stop motion and he was still surprisingly getting kills but boy did he take forever to revive us when we were downed
It always makes me sad when I see destiny getting shit, the game has so much potential and the gameplay is actually fun. I had a really good time with destiny 1 but didn't managed to get in to destiny 2, it was confusing, didn't know where to focus and ended up just doing some public events with no context.
Man I play that other game(not DotA) I can feel a early gg. If my team offers zero push back in team fight or in lane. Sometimes if you say it they wake up.
Can you please, please, PLEASE tell Pat to stop having the dog anywhere near the mic’s during the podcast. His snoring/trilling/eating/drinking makes it extremely hard to listen to while wearing earphones. It’s 1000x’s worse tha when someone eats/chews into the mic. I’ve 100% turned off episodes because of this.
If the choice is 'gif or you, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Also, it's really not that bad at all unless you got sensory issues. In which case, maybe you need to just drop the podcast totally 'cause the dog ain't going.
The only reason people still fuck with destiny, is because it has this weird gunfeel you can't find in other games. I finally tore myself away from it though, thank christ.
For my own sanity I would like one Patrick "I'm always right(wrong)" Boivin to stop talking with confidence when he's talking about WoW I know he wont, but it's nice to dream
But he's right in this case though, wow was good for like 6 years with its run off Classic, TBC, and WoTLK and with the release of Cataclysm (2010 so 6 years like pat said) and every expansion from then on being rife with disapointments.
@@dwarfminerwillie I don't remember much disappointment from MoP other than "ew Pandas" and Legion was pretty well liked. saying its been outright bad for 10 years is a goofy statement
@@MrCeratix pat never said it was outright bad he said that all he has heard about from each new expansion from his friends was disappointment. The "ew pandas" was a lot worse than your putting it I had pretty much had my entire guild fall apart due to MoP because all our top raiders quit and everyone else leaving the guild or quitting wow. I enjoyed mop quite a bit it did do well despite it's reputation but the damage was done, cataclysm for all it's fixed with questing and such got a huge amount of flak for it's changes, same with legion there was a lot of positive feedback but it had plenty of naysayers as well.
My disappointment with Warframe is immeasurable. I can talk about the retarded nerfs of the player character in a pve game for years.good god im happy ive burned my account. DE are fools who have next to no clue how to make an online experience.
Destiny players: Yeah I hate it, I'm miserable while playing, all my friends quit and I don't enjoy it, it's my favorite game.
I'm glad I played Destiny 2 for like 2 hours and dropped it.
It was just so... boring
It's true. Every time I think that I'm out, I get pulled back in.
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That sounds like almost every MMO
This sound like league of legend players
Pat ragequitting roulettes vs Woolie being card game Akuma is a nice dichotomy.
Low Tier Woolz and Dark Syde Pat.
I'm glad we finally reached Full Circle.
Bruh I'm a shitty warrior but everytime I load in and I'm rusty af and I just start swinging then I read the chat n see someone say "tank stance" I just click it n think to myself "thanks teammate"
At least you do it. It's sad to say that there are people who don't.
Pat and Woolie make me feel good about my life.
Why?
and then the spoilercast happened, and the waifu wars starts now
Have we finished the race war already? Or are we going to be having a race war AND a waifu war going on at the same time?
Woolie acting like he can judge other Teppen players when we saw him drop Nero to netdeck a broken Zero Exodia deck to climb the Ranked ladder. Glass houses, homie.
Zero Exodia isn't even that popular in the current meta. Now Zero is all about using cards with the Slow debuff and then give them Agility and/or dispelling the Slow and give it to the enemy.
Black card nerfs someday. Maybe.
@@LightningZerker It was the meta at the time and black cards will never get nerfed because Teppen's design team have no idea what they're doing. They keep giving colors or characters the ability to nuke the board or delete key units in a game where it's hard to build a board. That's literally been a problem from day 1.
@John Library Exodia has always been playable. However all pieces have been limited to 1 copy per deck. And Yugioh has had a history of banning or limiting cards that make Exodia decks too strong.
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granted, Exodia is not good in multiples.
a 5 card combo is not good, it's the draw power that lets you get 5 particular cards in your deck that is.
@@Coinman121 honest question from a guy who hasn't played yugioh in a decade- what is stopping someone from making a deck where five of the cards are exodia and the other 35 are spell cards that let you draw more cards, and then just drawing their whole deck in the first turn?
Madden: Remember when everyone liked us?
EA: Since when does that matter to you?
Madden: Since i started seeing the scorn on everyone's face
Yesterday I deleted a gun in Destiny 2 because the power number would never be able to go up again. It was my Crucible shotgun I've used since Forsaken launch, with 3000+ kills on it. Right next to it in the Vault was a gun with the same name that arbitrarily CAN raise its power because it was received later. The amount of hate this transaction provoked in me seems to be increasing over time.
DotA's Coach system isn't the same as the Mentor system, because when you're a coach, you aren't playing the game, you are virtually watching over a "Student's" Shoulder and giving them advice in real time with pings and chat directions. In FFXIV, when you're a mentor, you are a member of the party, you are participating, you are trying to both learn who is making what mistakes, and actively fighting them to get them to both admit they're making mistakes AND convince them to fix said mistakes, just so you can finish the damn encounter. And they never admit they're making mistakes. Ever.
Yeah. You could be the best ranking player ever who knows the ins and outs of every instance but the response will still be "I know what I'm doing so stfu"
does the coaching system require an opt-in? that would also be a huge difference. anyone can get a mentor in the group as luck of the draw
@@MrTybo555 A quick look from the Dota wiki, Coaching only exists for Casual matches, and you're specifically queuing up to Coach a specific player you're in a party with.
Game design is just a never ending battle against people’s worst tendencies.
Does Woolie know about the wow blood plague because that is a really cool way to show how different people act in a bad situation. Its a really cool look into peoples psysicology
i didn't know about this until just now, what an interesting little microcosm of human behavior
thus saith the lord
I need some forum or youtube links cause I am fascinated.
@@Slasher9485 ruclips.net/video/nz5Nf4mJMSw/видео.html
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I feel extremely old to come in here and say that I "lived" thru that blood plague (in like 2005 or 2006 I guess?). Came back from afk and my ass was dead on the ground cos of it. 😂
i literally had a mentor once tell me that if i dont know how to do something i may as well not even play lmao
The gameplay of Teppen seems ill equipped to describe the inner workings of this conversation when one considers the individual of one Low Tier God.
Bungie cannot stop tripping over their own balls when it comes to Destiny 2: Transmog, Sunsetting, Content Vaulting, Stasis.
And all for different reasons:
-Stasis was released busted to sell Beyond Light.
-Sunsetting has been done much better in Destiny 1, but Bungie implemented it extremely poorly in D2.
-Content Vaulting just feels bad, considering the content being released (Wrathborne Hunts especially) pales in comparison, and losing something you paid to access with no compensation of any kind is abysmal.
And now Transmog will apparently be a "pay to bypass grind" system. Not great.
seeing how badly bungie fucked up with destiny on the whole makes me feel so much better about 343's handling of halo.
I love the in universe reason for the Planets being unavailable.
"Yeah, the planets just fucking disappeared one day. We don't know why."
@@xsoultillerx But Halo 4 was okay at best, Halo 5 was dogshit, and Infinite had to be delayed a full year because the showcase was worse than an end-of-life PS3 game.
@@RohanSpartin
still better than the whole of destiny 1's first year. things just kept getting worse and worse that i pretty much gave up on it & never looked back. and judging by how things look from destiny 2 i made the right call.
they didn't learn a damn thing from their mistakes.
I love Destiny, and I have a very simple method for playing that game. “Am I having fun?” If there is a moment where I’m no longer having fun, I stop playing.
The little crown is what brings out the Dunning Kruger Effect in full force.
Is it not more of a "look at my sick ass crown" thing that can be achieved relatively easily?
Gotta love the Crazy Talk at 8:54 or so when Pat's talking about "Regens don't stack" like, nah dude, regens do stack, shields don't. But otherwise... yeah.
"GALAMURI!" woolie saids without ANY context
I watched in real time my friend go from loving Dead By Daylight to fucking despising it. Quite a case study really
I loved Valheim for the first 40 hours and then when I hit the "grind for bog iron" phase of the game I spent the next 10 hours hating my life before uninstalling. It was kind of fascinating, the denouement into loathing that usually takes me several hundred hours in an MMO set in like flipping a light switch that time.
I did all 2000 mentors in XIV, it wasn't all bad. Most of the time it was really smooth, however it is hilarious when they match you with others in Europe who don't speak your language. MENTOR THE EXCHANGE STUDENT WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND.
Also you see a lot of weird stuff like very rarely, the occasional players who will fail like the simplest guild heists ever.
Motherfuckers who kill the Gil Turtle
This used to happen all. The. Time. When I played WoW, cause living in Scotland means guess what; same catchment area as these fuckers in France, who actively despise your language.
Wasn’t always French folk, but basically there were more times that you’d ask a question or seek clarification for something and your answer was coming back in a language you had no hope of understanding
@@ew275x Bruh. You gave me flashbacks. I had that moment almost happen, but we just let the tank die and did it ourselves.
Didn't they literally make fun of people who decide wether the people that beat them deserve the win a couple of podcasts ago?
Yes, woolie was reading a comment references that
Wouldn’t be the first time they did it.
He's referencing chat
YOU DIDN'T WIN
I think the frustration is that Team games are mostly designed with set roles and if the Healer or Tank dies or messes up the run tends to go to shit. Meanwhile in games like Counter Strike without set roles a good enough player can carry and win the match for their teammates.
It's also why the Behemoth fight in MHW isn't the best, since it changes a game where you normally jump into any fight with any weapons more into having "roles" and forcing 4 person teammate and more strict do or die mechanics.
that's the fun part with dota, everyone can have weird ass builds in casuals like a beefy support that can forever stunlock a player because the RNG is in their favor as well as their stats and if you wanna play a bit more seriously you can do that both in rank or in casual play. it's not as fast-paced as LoL but you have more freedom with your builds with your characters
Alright Woolie, here's a fun one. Back in the day LoL's honor system gave out ribbons. Ribbons only showed up in champ select and in the loading screen, and there were 4 kinds of ribbons (1 for each type of Honor you could receive from allies, plus 1 more for the one you can receive from opponents). Ribbons did nothing other than showed that you were honored a lot (and if you were in the top 10% of a specific rating type you'd get a special icon to use as your account avatar, of which I collected them all). What ended up happening, is that after the first 2ish weeks of the system hitting live the tier list was established.
1:" Blue" AKA "Great Mentor", the ribbon for being rated as a helpful teammate who actually knew what they were talking about and gave good advice. (Understandably very rare, as you both needed someone who knew what they were talking about and wasn't a toxic dickbag about it AND someone to be doing badly enough to need help but also not tilt-y enough to get butthurt at said advice.)
2: "Yellow" AKA Great Leader", the ribbon for being rated as a good shotcaller by your team (whether throughout the match or just for calling out the game winning play). Not exactly common, but not rare either, usually 1-2 per match.
3: "Green" AKA "Great Teammate", the ribbon for being rated as a friendly player and basically the go-to for anyone who didn't fit either of the above. Very common, about as common as the next one.
4: "Red" AKA "Worthy opponent", the ribbon for being rated as a non BM player by people on the other team (there was a subset of this group who got their ribbons for being sarcastically rated that way by people who got fed off them or who were toxic towards their team, thus making it easier for the other team to win, but Reds who got it this way were about as rare as Blues.) Again, very common.
5: Unrated AKA "bro how do you not have a ribbon?". About as "rare" as a Yellow, again usually 1 per team.
But shown visually the way the community (un)consciously treated you was like this: 1 >>> 2 > 3 >> 4 >>>>>>>>>> 5.
The result of all of this was that you would go into champ select and LITERALLY be able to see who would be toxic just by scrolling down the name list and seeing which poor fool didn't have a ribbon of any kind. Ribbons were incredibly easy to acquire, honoring was unlimited and you could do it on anyone/everyone else in the match, so NOT having one meant that you either were such a nonfactor that NO ONE cared enough to rate you (extremely unlikely), OR you were toxic and the reports/punishments you were getting were nullifying any Honors you did receive.
I can't tell you how many times I'd play LoL, see 1 person who didn't have a ribbon, and then just wait and look for ANYTHING to go wrong for that player and have them immediately start acting toxic. It was insanely consistent, from both teams (because Riot in all their wisdom decided letting you see the other team's ribbons was a good idea, which led to...).
But the most entertaining part? Seeing all the bullying the ribbonless would get. People would camp their lanes just to tilt them and watch them implode, or bully them out of roles/champs they wanted in champ select, or just outright ignore anything they said in chat. In lobbies it was practically a brand showing that you were a second class citizen, and in game being ribbonless put a giant target on their back (that they almost always wouldn't be able to handle the mental pressure of), thus leading to a feedbck loop of toxicity that most people couldn't escape from.
On the other hand if you DID have a non-red Ribbon, you'd get treated extremely well. People would actually listen to your calls, or try to camp for you, or just generally be legitimately good teammates (even if they fed their ass off). Hell, if you fed they'd just go "bad game, np" a lot of the time instead of ripping into you or trolling (unless it was one of the ribbonless, who usually would respond the way you'd expect a LoL player to respond). It was glorious, never before were my matches so stress free. I knew exactly who would have weak mental, who could be relied on, that people would actually listen to what I said (whether advice or shot calling), and if shit went bad and I fed most people wouldn't cause a stink about it.
But alas, Riot quickly saw what was happening and changed how the system worked, for admittedly good reasons. Turns out having an unofficial underclass of people wasn't exactly the most fun thing for said people, and so not so long later Ribbons disappeared, now replaced by a basic flair that merely marked that you'd been honored in your last match.
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Was the pain the Ribbonless had to go through worth the massively improved gameplay experience for the other 80% of players in the match? That's for you to decide, but I'll say this, I miss those days and always knowing who was gonna be the dick that ruined the fun for everyone before anyone even said a word.
Another fun one about the old Honor system was when the Tribunal existed, which was a way for players to decide whether people who were toxic actually deserved punishment or not. Basically, voluntary jury duty (complete with getting a pittance of in-game cash). However that system was a crapshoot for a few reasons.
1: It was opt in, and not that many people knew about it.
2: You only got your reward if you were on the majority side once the player in question was done being judged. If you said No but every one else said Yes, you get jack shit.
3: The only people who showed up in the Tribunal were people who were getting reported ALL THE TIME, which meant that you knew for an absolute fact that almost every player who you got to vote on absolutely DID deserve it.
4: Voting was as easy as scrolling down the page past the chat log then clicking "Yes" (AKA "Deserved") / "No" (AKA "Nah they good").
The result was that people would log in, vote Yes on everyone regardless of whether or not they deserved it (but to be fair, they almost always did deserve it, like 96 times out of 100), then wait for the cash to come in. It was never a huge amount, but it was a nice boost on the side.
This system was eventually replaced with the auto-mod system that basically did the same thing the players were doing but way faster and more accurately. TL:DR, instead of going to the Tribunal when you were reported enough, you'd get sent to the bot which would then scroll for the list of naughty-no-no's it'd been programmed to look for and then hit you with a punishment if you didn't pass. This is the punishment system that's still in the game actually, it works surprisingly well.
On the Astro thing Pat was talking about, Astros toolkit works more in tandem with regens, some of their cooldowns extend the effects of their spells, which with shields doesn't do anything since the shield would probably die out before the time ran out normally anyway, not to mention that they suffer a potency gimp when they go shield, they shield for less than they regen. Plus Regens stack so there's no reason to not just double stack regens with White Mage where as shields don't stack at all, even with Scholar the other Shield healer. There's a reason why they're reworking Astro to do away with the Shields cause no one likes Shield mode.
11:20 got respect the black dsp I mean Low Tier God reference.
Im listening to the Big Brother analogy for Mentor Roulette and it made me go "Even Morgan Freeman on Lean on Me was at least given a year to fix it!"
Guild Wars 2 has a similar system to Destinys Transmog system, you buy tokens and then "Spend" those tokens to make a piece of gear look like another.
The skins you gain from items ingame are permanent but if you ever wanna apply a skin you gotta get one of those tokens.
I will only say one thing: Resurrection Priest
Pat forgot to mention that the public perception of that fucking crown has resulted in a lot of good mentors not wearing it because it's seen by a lot of people as a fucking dunce cone.
That rockslide thing made me cry in both DRG and bad internet.
I know the feels, comrade.
Yeah nioh 2 is great
Forgot the mention that 90% of the time the content that they are dragging you into can be soloed unsynced in 30 seconds or less.
11:20 okay LTG.
Destiny 2 is an abusive spouse you wont leave.
i threw acid in its face and left awhile ago for MHW:I
I'd say it's better than it was in it's first years
My most recent experience has to be with Monster Hunter I was never as analytical as I got with World/Icebourne. So many fad weapons you could tell immediately if someone was doing some silly gimmick build or setup and it was so frustrating seeing them go flying because they refused to adapt to the monster's behavior.
My favorite meme build to use unironically is the wyvernsnipe clutch claw hbg meme build
Has Pat seen the “Turn on tank stance- BITCH IM VIBING” video?
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Pat. Destiny will have one good thing happen, then fuck up like 5 things at once. Like when Forsaken came out and I loved PvP again and then they go "no no no. You gotta hate PvP. Let's add SBMM to every list." So then my option became play the one playlist that didn't have it alone and deal with a 6 man stack, or do the tryhard play list and also suffer because my teammates eat paint chips while the other team is flexing non stop.
And don't even get me started with the fact they removed like 90% of the old content just put shit back in from the first game. God! I'm glad I jumped off that burning ship at some point at least.
I had this feeling a while back in MTG standard when Threefrey esper was rampant. I hated playing standard when that and OKO were everywhere and there was no other decks around.
I know that these guys have talked about rage quitting being a degenerate move, but at least Woolie can understand the appeal of doing it when you're tired of fighting people with basic bitch decks and they only have a high rank cuz they keep spamming gud cards until they win.
I had this problem with yugioh which is why i stopped playing card games but recently i discovered mtg edh format and it's revived my enjoyment
@@lodestarrobot Oh yeah; commander is like the only way to play magic enjoyably. I'd play anything else myself, but even with commander it's a matter of still needing to find the right group of people to casually play magic with.
@@theprofesionalist7927
eh.
the fact that near power nine cards are part of it, and I have no stomach for politics in a battle royal makes it not fun for me.
woolie requires a minimum donatiom of 10$ before he even thinks about coming outta his trash pile
13:27 - you CAN get that, especially on first kills. Case in point: in wow (circa Burning Crusade; what i'm about to say is very probably no longer accurate), i played an arms/fury warrior which there straight-up wasn't a raid spot for. not as much DPS as the rogues, not as much tank as the pallys/tank warriors. Whatever. My guild got to Vaelstrasz for the first time; his gimmick is that he wipes the raid in 3 minutes, but you get infinite resources AND can get a buff called "burning adrenaline" which gives you double threat/dps but also kills you dead in like 30 seconds. Short version, your tanks die at intervals regardless of what their health is, so you need a rotation. Also, positioning is important cuz - being a huge-ass dragon - he bites and breathes fire and shit like that, so you want his head pointed AWAY from the casters.
Anyway. My babby-DPS-y ass was in with the tanks, constantly generating low threat - more than the casters, less than the "actual" tanks. Vael was at like 2% when our last "real" tank died - but I had a *lot* of threat, and I knew what the tanking mechanics were. So, I run to the tank spot, taunt him, pop fucking *everything*. Raid lead is shouting for people to heal me - and man do they try, but I just wasn't geared for tanking. So, I die.
And then a second later, Vael dies.
You're goddamn right we were celebrating that shit.
Fucking Legendary man
I remember having to be a backup tank as a warlock cuz stamina gear was legit the only thing people would let us have for a long ass time. Felt bad except the very few times it worked.
I have really enjoyed many iPhone games over the years, but every time I end up dropping them because getting the daily rewards always turned into a chore and took longer then I initially intended to play, and I felt like if I didn’t I would regret it when I picked it back up. On paper they are a good incentive but they are mentally exhausting to me and soured me on games I otherwise enjoy.
Sunsetting is actively stopping me from returning to Destiny 2.
The shooting and gameplay remain fun, but I've never seen a decision destroy the appeal of loot so badly.
If they worked sunsetting into the story then it could be a fun little thing to take away from the obviousness of needing to take things out of the game to make room for additions
@@manticorephoenix
They did... kinda.
"Planets disappeared. We don't know why."
-Commander Zavala
Scrubquotes can grab tons of material from this segment.
In which Woolie flies dangerously close to ScrubQuotes territory
I really do wish Pat and Woolie would bring in a Warcraft expert to talk to them about shit.
I dident expect the "i dont respect your playstyle" shit from woollie, thats some real scrub shit. If they aint cheating the results are the results, be better next time. I dont really think any ones respects is worth anithing on a competition, the only thing that deserves respect are results. You cant argue results. But then again he caught himself later and it was funny, or maybe it was a just a bit from the beginning, im pritty tone deff.
Yea I kinda feel the same.
@John Library you ignore what he said before. "If they ain't cheating the results are the results."
@John Library if you're not gonna read who you're replying to, why did you even bother replying?
@John Library huh so you're an idiot then.
@@KEV.I.N24 bored =/= idiot
being an ass to someone who was being an ass just leaves the world with 2 asses it doesn't need.
I’m still salty over Bungie putting everything interesting about Destiny lore and story into grimoire cards on a godamn separate app that Apple and Android don’t even support anymore, is an in-game codex THAT godamn hard to do but putting it in a separate app easier?
If a story requires me to go somewhere else outside of the source material to learn more then that story loses all of my interest
D2 has the in-game codex, so at least they recognized the issue.
@@SBJ_Tube when did D2 make the change? Last I played I didn’t see it
I barely know any destiny lore despite finishing both games for this reason. If they don't care enough to put it in the game it just makes me think that it isn't worth reading.
@@merk2364 I was a kind of “Lore keeper” for my crew when playing so I took it upon myself to learn the lore, it’s fascinating and no one cares because of how frustrating and tedious it is to achieve the cards, it’s why I know of only one Destiny lore channel in all of RUclips cause it’s like, no one plays the game anymore for anything but the Crucible
I would LOVE to see Pat debate Chrisraygun about Destiny.
I'm both those players on League. I'm bad at the game but I want to win. It's super unhealthy, and even tho I do my best to not be toxic and just own up to my mistakes, I still learn nothing, and I feel salt flood into my veins.
We need Mentors to be the Survey Corps
But we get the Military Police
At the very end of the clip
Oh yeah, they were talking about Destiny!
omg that mmo talk bought back some memories, bro seriously people who play mmo's for dress ups and shit should not be going for hard shit thinking that spending 5 hours on a dungeon dying over and over again is normal.
Vanilla to Wrath was great... afflictionlock 4 lyfe stun spamming in battlegrounds and just having a chatroom over top alliance corpses in their graveyard was the best. You could taste the salt as they are forced to watch a single enemy party be productive while like ten people just spawn camp and chat.
Pat comes off as the sane one this time. Bad teammates are an understandable problem with random queues. Judging opponents you lose to in 1v1 pvp is a part of scrub mentality.
Judging people you lose to and win against
“I hope someone goes to your house and kicks your ass.” - Pat on the topic of rage quitters.
11:05 WHO THE FUCK SAYS NO TO TURNING ON THEIR TANK STANCE !?!?!?
Is this evergreen content?
Meanwhile me hanging out in Jenova novice network waiting for the weirdo mentor hour.
Novice Network is a whole different world. You either get anime conversations, or the yikes content.
Just yesterday was doing the final Eden 8 man in ff14 on the normal difficulty, on normal. I can confirm 1 bad healer can doom an entire run. The gimmick of the fight is the boss will absorb an element biased on a picture you can see and cast a predetermined aoe. Every time the 1 healer would get caught in it then die after two or three because the vulnerability would become too much. But despite that we would get to the final phase then wipe because the heal rush would get too much for the one healer or he would make 1 mistake. Thus leaving us with no healers which would cause a wipe. It got to the point of putting an icon above the good healer and tanks head to show, please stand here when an aoe is coming I know how to dodge it this spot is safe. But nope... did 3 15 minute runs of this before abandoning because after 4 runs he was still dying on the first phase. In short, yeah pats right on the fact you can join a group and just tell how it’s going to go within 30 seconds of a run.
Necro post, but. Woolie's problem with high end Teppen is the same reason I don't like any competitive CCG at the high end. The room for skill narrows exponentially the higher you get. And while the very best of the best of the best narrowly squeak out more wins than others, mostly in any hugely populated game, it's about "do you have the $$$ to instantly swap to whatever the 55% winrate deck is vs the 53%" and "do you have the time to grind out enough games to climb the ranks".
Too many good decks in games are only good because they have a relatively high probability of drawing one of many permutations of winning opening hands, where the chances of the opponent beating you if you draw well are incredibly low, combined with the usual favored matchups. It's the fighting game matchup problem exacerbated by RNG manipulation. It sucks. It's one of those things you probably don't notice until you play thousands upon thousands of games and then you start to see the Matrix. Even when you're winning and playing in grandmasters it can often feel like you don't really deserve it. You're just playing the odds and playing autopilot with the barest dash of skill and intuition thrown on top.
Smash Ultimate. Two of my buds pick some well balanced characters, Bowser, Palatania, n Link... Get frustrated that a Ridley n Deedeedee main keeps reading them.
Someone helped me get Xenophage in D2 and I asked him how can I do the Dungeon he answered "I've done this over a 1000 time just stay alive"
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate and say that the "pay for transmog" thing most likely refers to the Eververse ornaments that you can buy for Silver(DestiBux), which can also be earned by spending Bright Dust that you get through in game activities. Also, they've stated that everything you have in your Collection (i.e. any armor you've gotten throughout all of D2) will be available for transmog.
I stopped playing Destiny 2 when Shadowkeep and Forsaken happened. Game Pass saved that game for me. Solid 7/10 if you don't have to buy the expansions directly.
Long lasting games like Destiny/WoW either die a hero or live long enough to turn into the villain/shit
It was less the crown and more the 2 seater pegasus mount from what i recalled
Novice Network is nice on Mateus tho
Sorry, i didn't understand, what was the effect of giving the mentor a crown? How that actually affected the game and the player's behaviours?
People want the crown to show off, not to actually be a mentor.
Big shiny status symbol that was abused and mistaken for E-peen bonuses and attracted the nastiest, least helpful kind of people. They upted the hell out of the requirement and made sure there was no grandfathering, but some still get through despite it all
I’m glad that I’m not the only person who judges the people they lose to.
One of the most annoying things I've encountered in games is playing FighterZ and getting tod'd before I can even press a button.
And the constant ganking in Gundam Battle Operation is ridiculous.
Didn't know anyone here even played GBO, but I definitely relate.
@@nedinnis6752 Yeah I wish I could go one game without having at least two players attack me at once at least once a game.
@@CrouTheBlackwingIt was almost hilarious last night when I got double teamed twice by a Gouf and Efreet Nacht traveling together. I was in a GM Camouf, so I got bodied.
Pat is pretty dead on about the mentor roulette. The most unfortunate aspect of it as well is that all of the difficult fights in there can be easily cleared outside of the roulette by just going in with level 80 players slaughtering the fights. When you have to do these fights at their natural difficulty with players who in no way will clear it in the allotted hour they have, it really boggles the mind why these fights even needed to be in the roulette. Progressing an extreme primal people are unfamiliar with usually can take 2 to 3 hours. No fucking way are you clearing any of those fights with new players that don't use their buttons or dodge basic shit.
When I play Apex Legends, for me when playing it’s all about finding out who’s better. You kill me, you’re better. I kill you, I’m better. I can’t get mad at that.
Bad Teammates however...
And the sweat balls....
i had a teammate lag on me in apex legends the other night, like full on stop motion and he was still surprisingly getting kills but boy did he take forever to revive us when we were downed
You don't have to actually wear your mentor crown, you can go to your search info and switch to normie status
It always makes me sad when I see destiny getting shit, the game has so much potential and the gameplay is actually fun. I had a really good time with destiny 1 but didn't managed to get in to destiny 2, it was confusing, didn't know where to focus and ended up just doing some public events with no context.
Damn it's almost like I play tank classes EXCLUSIVELY because I hate the tank community and if I fill the role I don't have to see them.
hey woolie when ur kinda stressed about teppen maybe try runeterra, is fun.
This applies to dead by daylight to a teeth
> To a teeth
[Mild concern]
glad to hear I dropped destiny at the right time
destiny peaked at taken king and the rest of the time they've either tried to get back on that level or CLAWED their way, trying to survive
2 angry old Canadians talk about video games.
in league i can count on my hand the number of times gg was a real gg
Man I play that other game(not DotA) I can feel a early gg. If my team offers zero push back in team fight or in lane. Sometimes if you say it they wake up.
What idiots refuse to turn on tank stance?
I just reinstalled Destiny. I hate it and myself.
I'll play Destiny when they add in a single player
These content creators for D2 quit and come back every season or so lmao
Scrub Woolie has arrived
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Can you please, please, PLEASE tell Pat to stop having the dog anywhere near the mic’s during the podcast. His snoring/trilling/eating/drinking makes it extremely hard to listen to while wearing earphones. It’s 1000x’s worse tha when someone eats/chews into the mic. I’ve 100% turned off episodes because of this.
If the choice is 'gif or you, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Also, it's really not that bad at all unless you got sensory issues. In which case, maybe you need to just drop the podcast totally 'cause the dog ain't going.
It's the same man who belches into the mic for fun and get endorsed for it, so…
The only reason people still fuck with destiny, is because it has this weird gunfeel you can't find in other games.
I finally tore myself away from it though, thank christ.
For my own sanity I would like one Patrick "I'm always right(wrong)" Boivin to stop talking with confidence when he's talking about WoW
I know he wont, but it's nice to dream
But he's right in this case though, wow was good for like 6 years with its run off Classic, TBC, and WoTLK and with the release of Cataclysm (2010 so 6 years like pat said) and every expansion from then on being rife with disapointments.
@@dwarfminerwillie I don't remember much disappointment from MoP other than "ew Pandas" and Legion was pretty well liked. saying its been outright bad for 10 years is a goofy statement
@@MrCeratix pat never said it was outright bad he said that all he has heard about from each new expansion from his friends was disappointment. The "ew pandas" was a lot worse than your putting it I had pretty much had my entire guild fall apart due to MoP because all our top raiders quit and everyone else leaving the guild or quitting wow. I enjoyed mop quite a bit it did do well despite it's reputation but the damage was done, cataclysm for all it's fixed with questing and such got a huge amount of flak for it's changes, same with legion there was a lot of positive feedback but it had plenty of naysayers as well.
So in summary destiny is bad and you shouldn’t play it
My disappointment with Warframe is immeasurable. I can talk about the retarded nerfs of the player character in a pve game for years.good god im happy ive burned my account. DE are fools who have next to no clue how to make an online experience.
Destiny 2 sucks. Halo Reach is better