Only blacks who want to be victims, or want other blacks to be victims, support affirmative action. It was ALWAYS the wrong way to deal with racism. If I'm in a twin engine jetliner at 40k feet when one engine goes out, I want the best pilot in the cockpit to get us down safely. I don't want someone like me, unqualified - but black, so I check the right box.
i agree with you I was an only child and adopted, there was another white girl and a few Asians in my class in south east DC in the 70s because of the carter busing system. we are all equal, but it did not help me being white
don't give tax credit to those who go to private schools , tax them more. I had to go to private school, because of my short cummings, and was well educated, but it was my parents decision and they paid the price. Give an equal chance to all children.
Maybe what they called the so-called black community we'll get another black wallstreet back when they own their own colleges and Banks and when they were prospering really good
Affirmative Action is "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" policy. What I mean is that Affirmative Action was an idea with good intentions implemented at a time when institutions of higher learning were sometimes actively excluding qualified candidates based on race. Meaning, if there are 20 open slots and 30 people apply (mostly white), the admission board would choose fill those slots based on race... typically, white. Most colleges end up with way more candidates applying than there are slots available. As a result, colleges must find ways to weed people out. It's easy to guess what some of those criteria might be! 🤔 With Affirmative Action in place, that meant that colleges were mandated to fill a certain number of those student slots with people of color, regardless of how many applicants showed up. Removing Affirmative Action means potentially going back to those days before Affirmative Action where colleges and businesses chose to fill slots based on a internal preferences. Affirmative Action is, yes, a form of discrimination, but with good intentions. It does discriminate by forcing colleges and businesses to have a certain percentage of people of color in the college or hired as part of the business. Without Affirmative Action in place, the United States will most likely revert back to the way it was prior, with hiring and student placement heading back to their former internal discriminatory practices. I will also agree that Affirmative Action was a simple crutch to heal a national problem. Crutches are temporary tools that eventually need to go away. The problem is, it's important to make sure the problem has fully healed before getting rid of that crutch. I'm not sure that this problem is fully healed, even after so many years.
The reason There are HBCU's is because of racism. Black students were typically denied an equal education as their white counterparts. They were in segregated schools that were getting minimal govt. funding. With desegregation, black students were able to get a better education, but had to be bused out of their neighborhoods to get that education. Colleges and businesses had to change their methods of enrollment and hiring. Each time black ppl. we're making headway in this country, they were attacked. Their segregated towns and businesses were destroyed. Their land was seized. They were beaten, or murdered or hung. Their homes and businesses burned to the ground. Affirmative Action ( part of reparations) was a way to fight the wrongs and give all minorities a chance to do better; a way up and out. Now, after decades of slowly moving forward racism is on the rise and and it is totally seen in the make-up of this conservatively stacked SCOTUS. This court is taking away minority rights ( this includes women too) in favor of white Christian straight men and wealthy ppl. and corporations.I You might not realize it yet, but you are about to see your rights taken away by this Court. Mine too as an older, disabled woman. With the advent of Affirmative action, colleges and companies were required to take in qualified minorities ( not just black ppl., but Asians, Latinos, other minorities and women. No !onger did white men get preferential treatment. There had to be diversification ( also had to have the grades). Young ppl. like you and my grandson, take for granted what ppl. from my generation fought for so that you could have a better life and not be turned away at every door you try to enter. This ruling will effect everyone who comes behind you and your children and grand children. You, like so many others, don't think that others should have the same opportunities that you had. The Court should rule against legacy qualified entrance into college. Just because your parent or grandparent went to a certain college ( or donated a huge sum of money) shouldn't mean that a lower scoring legacy student should get preferential admission over those who have the grades but are minorities. Your laughter and ignorance is astonishing.
"With the advent of Affirmative action, colleges and companies were required to take in qualified minorities ( not just black ppl., but Asians, Latinos, other minorities and women. No !onger did white men get preferential treatment. There had to be diversification ( also had to have the grades)." Affirmative Action didn't stop preferential treatment. What it did was force colleges (and businesses) to make a certain percentage of its open slots available to Affirmative Action. For those specific slots, these had to be filled with people of a race other than white. The remainder of the open slots, the vast majority of them, were still filled by using preferential treatment. The phrase, "just enough to get by", covers the way Affirmative Action was handled at most organizations.
Hbcu's were the answer to education discrimination in the South. ..and in other areas of the country, but don't lie and say that the only colleges that we could go to...😮
Thank you Shelley. Your last line says it all. This young man, Brian, as well as the news woman believe AA has only been around 20 years. In fact, in started in the 1970's. Perhaps we, who have gone before him, have made the world so "cushy" for him that he doesn't realize how easy the presence and practice of AA has made it for him. I daresay the probability of him even having a Google channel would be somewhere between slim and none without it. Wake up young people. It could get rough. Be prepared, (or get prepared) intellectually, technically and financially.
Don't think Affirmative Action is the definition of racism. I am ok that the law was repealed. Let those who complained get in how they fit in. I would take you more seriously if you could manage to deliver your point if you were actively trying to be foolish. You might have some good points but you dilute them. Hey point out what you are trying to get across and then base it in facts.
It was bound to be eliminated - time to move on.
My boy graduated UNC full ride scholarship and admitted by merit. Hard work pays off.
Only blacks who want to be victims, or want other blacks to be victims, support affirmative action. It was ALWAYS the wrong way to deal with racism.
If I'm in a twin engine jetliner at 40k feet when one engine goes out, I want the best pilot in the cockpit to get us down safely. I don't want someone like me, unqualified - but black, so I check the right box.
Right ! Democrat did all those things to black folk.
i agree with you I was an only child and adopted, there was another white girl and a few Asians in my class in south east DC in the 70s because of the carter busing system. we are all equal, but it did not help me being white
our education system needs radical changes
don't give tax credit to those who go to private schools , tax them more. I had to go to private school, because of my short cummings, and was well educated, but it was my parents decision and they paid the price. Give an equal chance to all children.
Maybe what they called the so-called black community we'll get another black wallstreet back when they own their own colleges and Banks and when they were prospering really good
Affirmative Action is "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" policy.
What I mean is that Affirmative Action was an idea with good intentions implemented at a time when institutions of higher learning were sometimes actively excluding qualified candidates based on race. Meaning, if there are 20 open slots and 30 people apply (mostly white), the admission board would choose fill those slots based on race... typically, white. Most colleges end up with way more candidates applying than there are slots available. As a result, colleges must find ways to weed people out. It's easy to guess what some of those criteria might be! 🤔
With Affirmative Action in place, that meant that colleges were mandated to fill a certain number of those student slots with people of color, regardless of how many applicants showed up.
Removing Affirmative Action means potentially going back to those days before Affirmative Action where colleges and businesses chose to fill slots based on a internal preferences.
Affirmative Action is, yes, a form of discrimination, but with good intentions. It does discriminate by forcing colleges and businesses to have a certain percentage of people of color in the college or hired as part of the business. Without Affirmative Action in place, the United States will most likely revert back to the way it was prior, with hiring and student placement heading back to their former internal discriminatory practices.
I will also agree that Affirmative Action was a simple crutch to heal a national problem. Crutches are temporary tools that eventually need to go away. The problem is, it's important to make sure the problem has fully healed before getting rid of that crutch. I'm not sure that this problem is fully healed, even after so many years.
The reason There are HBCU's is because of racism.
Black students were typically denied an equal education as their white counterparts. They were in segregated schools that were getting minimal govt. funding.
With desegregation, black students were able to get a better education, but had to be bused out of their neighborhoods to get that education.
Colleges and businesses had to change their methods of enrollment and hiring.
Each time black ppl. we're making headway in this country, they were attacked. Their segregated towns and businesses were destroyed. Their land was seized. They were beaten, or murdered or hung. Their homes and businesses burned to the ground.
Affirmative Action ( part of reparations) was a way to fight the wrongs and give all minorities a chance to do better; a way up and out.
Now, after decades of slowly moving forward racism is on the rise and and it is totally seen in the make-up of this conservatively stacked
SCOTUS. This court is taking away minority rights ( this includes women too) in favor of white Christian straight men and wealthy ppl. and corporations.I
You might not realize it yet, but you are about to see your rights taken away by this Court. Mine too as an older, disabled woman.
With the advent of Affirmative action, colleges and companies were required to take in qualified minorities ( not just black ppl., but Asians, Latinos, other minorities and women. No !onger did white men get
preferential treatment. There had to be diversification ( also had to have the grades).
Young ppl. like you and my grandson, take for granted what ppl. from my generation fought for
so that you could have a better life and not be turned away at every door you try to enter. This ruling will effect everyone who comes behind you and your children and grand children.
You, like so many others, don't think that others should have the same opportunities that you had.
The Court should rule against legacy qualified entrance into college. Just because your parent or grandparent went to a certain college ( or donated a huge sum of money) shouldn't mean that a lower scoring legacy student
should get preferential admission over those who have the grades but are minorities.
Your laughter and ignorance is astonishing.
"With the advent of Affirmative action, colleges and companies were required to take in qualified minorities ( not just black ppl., but Asians, Latinos, other minorities and women. No !onger did white men get preferential treatment. There had to be diversification ( also had to have the grades)."
Affirmative Action didn't stop preferential treatment. What it did was force colleges (and businesses) to make a certain percentage of its open slots available to Affirmative Action. For those specific slots, these had to be filled with people of a race other than white. The remainder of the open slots, the vast majority of them, were still filled by using preferential treatment. The phrase, "just enough to get by", covers the way Affirmative Action was handled at most organizations.
Hbcu's were the answer to education discrimination in the South. ..and in other areas of the country, but don't lie and say that the only colleges that we could go to...😮
Thank you Shelley. Your last line says it all. This young man, Brian, as well as the news woman believe AA has only been around 20 years. In fact, in started in the 1970's. Perhaps we, who have gone before him, have made the world so "cushy" for him that he doesn't realize how easy the presence and practice of AA has made it for him. I daresay the probability of him even having a Google channel would be somewhere between slim and none without it.
Wake up young people. It could get rough. Be prepared, (or get prepared) intellectually, technically and financially.
Don't think Affirmative Action is the definition of racism. I am ok that the law was repealed. Let those who complained get in how they fit in.
I would take you more seriously if you could manage to deliver your point if you were actively trying to be foolish. You might have some good points but you dilute them. Hey point out what you are trying to get across and then base it in facts.