Exactly! You took the words out of my mouth when you said have you ever heard a fan sitting in the stands complain about the show moving too fast? I AM an old diehard fan and I felt the same way 50 years ago. I have talked to promotors before that said they were giving fans the chance to go to the bathroom and concessions. Ok, have an intermission, but move the rest of the show on, todays fans aren't going to stay much after 10 o'clock. As you said, red flags, track prep, etc., are ok, just not 30 minute stretches of nothing. Thank you!
All you have to do is remember how Alan Kreitzer ran Silver springs speedway. The street stock feature was 15 laps or 15 minutes. They didn't screw around and got a 3 division show in before 11 and they started at 7.
In the support classes (with starters) single car “one and done” for yellow flags works well after you implement it to end the jackin’ around. Also, as someone mentioned above: so many laps or so many minutes for the hobby racer classes.
I definitely wish more tracks got this! I love racing, but having to drive an hour or two after a program ends late sucks the fun out of it pretty quickly.
High limit has seized on the most obvious, they said it from their inception, efficient racing leads to better product. Drivers/teams investing time by creating connections with the younger fan base at the end of the show is gold. That’s how you grow the sport we all love. Time trials are a vital part of the show, it’s like pre-stretching before a workout, how else can you fine tune the car, before things get serious?
I agree. I want it to be long enough where I feel like I got my money's worth, but not too long. At Grays Harbor last month, High Limit ran an extremely quick show and then ran the feature before the support class feature. By the time that was finished, most of the teams had packed up and left. As a result, we lost the fun of going in the pits after the races. I do not like when they do this.
I ran a 305 series for 7 or 8 years. We timed how long hot laps ran, the heat races, and the feature. We also timed how long it took the track crew to clean up a wreck. The" Promoter " was always looking to point the finger at someone. Do we really need courtesy laps for teams to fix or change a flat ?
BINGO. Here in the south we don't get a lot of sprint cars and when we do if it's anything other than WoO the local tracks will tack on 7 or 8 local divisions and drag the show out for HOURS. It just as bad when a touring SLM series comes to town. Tracks seem to think its ok not to finish until 1 or 2 am. I will just stay home and watch Flo, because most of the bigger races are an hour to 3 hour drive and that puts me getting home at sunup. If the locals were remotely competitive or were quality fields it MIGHT be different but they run JUNK. most of the cars look like the were barely rescued from a compactor just minutes before they were dragged through the pit gate. If your season is almost over and you're still running duct tape numbers, don't tell me that you work hard on your car and you "deserve" to race. People talk about how we should "support our local tracks" but I refuse to drive an hour or two, pay $30-40 for a ticket and then sit there for six or eight hours.
It's especially frustrating when bigger shows schedule support classes that are full of messy guys. Went to the NARC show at Willamette Speedway last year and they had street stocks that took forever to run because they did single car qualifying for them (WHY?!) and some limited late model things on pavement tires that there were only like 6 of still managed to take forever because they kept spinning out. I swear one of them made it his mission to hit every tractor tire on the property that evening... They ended up cutting laps off the NARC main event because of it, and on top of that they charged nearly $20 more for a ticket than any other stop on the Oregon/Washington swing. Sadly though, I still see drivers and their families complaining on the local track pages about how they wish it was like the olden days where every night had every class running, even when their class has like 4 cars.
Lincoln make the same announcement every night. If you are not on the track by the end of the announcement of the starting lineup you go to the rear. Not once have I ever seen all the cars on the track prior to that. Also not once has anyone ever been sent to the rear. They need to enforce the rules and keep the show moving.
I think for most shows there should be NO more than 3 divisions for a weekly show and everyone start no later than 7pm. Earlier at start and end of year. Most time trials should only have support classes with no B-Main for them, while midweek shows should be main class only. But for the most part, Port Royal does better in keeping the show moving for a weekly 3 division show compare to Lincoln at 2 divisions. I also agree that a lot of cautions or red, or big rework of the track slow the show down so it’s always a moving target.
How do you figure that? The Grove has changed in recent years how they push off for the feature. They get all cars on the track, push them off, get them lined up, and go green as soon as they get the word the lineup is good. Weather or multiple red flags will drag our shows out, but aside from that, we've had racing nights done by 9:30-10:00 if we can get caution free nights.
@@eaglejoe8 The problem is the break between the B-Main and feature combined with the eight laps of the pace truck just for the guys to back out of their pit stall ... then, you have the pace laps. Feels like an eternity. Most nights, the 410s are done around 10:15, maybe a few minutes later. Depends on car count. But then you have the 358s. It's not hateful, but the gap between consis and the mains is too long.
@@SprintCarUnlimited his comment was the cars take too many laps before going green, which is factually inaccurate. Once every car is pushed off, and the trucks are clear, they get the lights go out to get lined up and once the starter gets the word from the woman in the tower that the lineup is good, as long as the pace truck isn’t past the bridge, they turn the lights back out and go green. Also, you’re wrong about the pace truck and cars backing out. They have 5 laps, not 8. As far as the break, it’s ten minutes after the B main. The 410’s run their B main before the A, and the qualifiers do need a few minutes to fuel up and make changes. I disagree completely with the idea that the Grove drags the show out. Now when the Outlaws come, I feel they do a bit. They do driver interviews after heats, which are pointless. And they have to do the 4 abreast parade lap. They can definitely cut some time off the show.
@@eaglejoe8 Correct, it's five. My mistake, and I misspoke. But there is no excuse for a 30 minute break at their last show. B-Main was over around 9, and the A-Main didn't get underway until 9:30.
Yes agree with about every track on that point adding other classes to the midweek specials is a turn off , give the fans a 20 to 30 min brake say after the b main then jump right into the A main , no one wants to sit Ron those wooden bleachers for 4 hrs !
@@anthonywillis6332 in that case I kind of understand cause it being a day race and if they didn’t it would of rubber up if they hadn’t water it but also believe they need to do it a night race can’t do day race to dry
Nailed it with this one Jeremy. I think you can point at Mike Hess and Kendra Jacobs with high limit as to why they prioritize an efficient show. I've seen comments from Mike on Twitter about this & I know Kendra tried to prioritize it at Knoxville when she was there. I used to be one of those guys that would have said I don't care how late the show runs, but that was before I had kids. If my kids are up too late, we pay for it for days. My kids enjoy going & I want to take them, but when it starts to get past 10-10:30 I start getting irritated, especially if the drive home is very long.
I would hope to see Jeremy follow up on the state of the All Stars, HL said at their press release that we’re subbing out ASCoC for 2024, not ending the brand.HL needed to prioritize the national tour first. Do you really think Stewart, who is close friends with Larson ,would sell it without knowing Kyle/Brad wouldn’t do what’s best for such a well established legacy? Sprint car racing is in excellent hands now, relax , sit back and enjoy the ride…the WoO needed a good punch to the mouth, they had become way too fulll of themselves!
Get rid of time trials. Go into heat races after hot laps. Random draw for positions. Let the cream rise to the top through racing. Might well produce more different winners over the season.
💯 I agree. That would definitely make it more interesting for the fans. Watching 1 dominant car win all the time sucks and it's really not exciting for the fans.
@@robertmonty6544 Right. Put less emphasis on those who can afford the most expensive engines. Creating more parody will lead to more teams feeling they have a decent chance to compete.
i agree with you 100% on this. But why the comment on the die heart fans? The die heart fans are what brings other fans to the track i don't think you know what your talking about with that comment could of left it out and still made your point!!!
The comment on the diehards is in reference that you can't depend on that one group anymore. It's dwindling, hence why crowds are off a little bit. Also, some of the diehards are staying at home to watch it on streaming ... life changes, and tracks need to do the same.
Times are different now. There isn't anything to do after the races are over because everything is closed after the races anyway. We get Rutters and Sheetz after the races? Their food sucks! Bars and restaurants are closed usually after the races in the 2020s with no more entertainment to go to anymore with bands or DJs. I am glad that I was in my 20s and 30s decades ago because it sucks to be in your 20s and 30s in the 2020s. Going to the Country Side Inn to see live bands after the race was fun in the late 1980s and 1990s as was going to Wanda's for a DJ, Gullify's for live bands etc to 2:00 AM or later and then 24 hour diners were common as well in many towns for decades. Today it is only Sheetz and Rutters 🤢?
No one ever complained about this back in day when i go to the races i don"t worry about time i just enjoy my time with my favorite sport of all and i like watching suport divisions, they deserve to be there too, i say if u are in a rush to be out of there maybe you're not a (REAL) fan
I understand how you feel, but back in the day is over. You need a new influx of fans, and newbies don't want to be there all night. All businesses have to adapt.
I agree 100%. A 3 hr show MAX. Don't need support classes holding up the whole show either. Or Laporta rambling on and on and on and on. 4 crown goes 7 hrs each night. Not sure how much longer that event will be around.
Years and years ago, 1970's ... the standard was ALWAYS 3 hours. You have 3 hours to keep people ... Dammit I started writing too soon ... Just to finish my point ... the standard hasn't changed.
ELDORA was ridiculous 🙄 High Limit was there and no way was it run with the fans or race teams in mind. There is no way I would go to high events. Takes to long. I felt like I was watching the Chili Bowl Saturday night. I can't do these kind of events. I don't do tracks in Central because of a hour and a half ride or 3 hour drive. Can't afford the hotels anymore. Have to find a happy medium for fans and race teams. We don't need 3 division shows.
This will create less tracks with your rubble brain idea! promoters tracks have to earn $ on concessions or bye bye breaks are meant for people to get concessions
Exactly! You took the words out of my mouth when you said have you ever heard a fan sitting in the stands complain about the show moving too fast? I AM an old diehard fan and I felt the same way 50 years ago. I have talked to promotors before that said they were giving fans the chance to go to the bathroom and concessions. Ok, have an intermission, but move the rest of the show on, todays fans aren't going to stay much after 10 o'clock. As you said, red flags, track prep, etc., are ok, just not 30 minute stretches of nothing. Thank you!
Right on. High Limit is really locking on to this and it is really good for the sport.
Great show. 100% correct. When you drive 1-1/2 to 2 hrs to get to the track, it’s nice to get home at a decent hour.
All you have to do is remember how Alan Kreitzer ran Silver springs speedway. The street stock feature was 15 laps or 15 minutes. They didn't screw around and got a 3 division show in before 11 and they started at 7.
Great video!!!!
In the support classes (with starters) single car “one and done” for yellow flags works well after you implement it to end the jackin’ around. Also, as someone mentioned above: so many laps or so many minutes for the hobby racer classes.
I definitely wish more tracks got this! I love racing, but having to drive an hour or two after a program ends late sucks the fun out of it pretty quickly.
High limit has seized on the most obvious, they said it from their inception, efficient racing leads to better product. Drivers/teams investing time by creating connections with the younger fan base at the end of the show is gold. That’s how you grow the sport we all love. Time trials are a vital part of the show, it’s like pre-stretching before a workout, how else can you fine tune the car, before things get serious?
Get rid of time trials and give more time for hot laps.
I agree. I want it to be long enough where I feel like I got my money's worth, but not too long. At Grays Harbor last month, High Limit ran an extremely quick show and then ran the feature before the support class feature. By the time that was finished, most of the teams had packed up and left. As a result, we lost the fun of going in the pits after the races. I do not like when they do this.
Williams Grove really got good at stroking it big time
On point as usual.
Great show! I would like to see your thoughts why Williams Grove and Lincoln did not really have any fans on the stands all year except for big shows!
I ran a 305 series for 7 or 8 years. We timed how long hot laps ran, the heat races, and the feature. We also timed how long it took the track crew to clean up a wreck. The" Promoter " was always looking to point the finger at someone. Do we really need courtesy laps for teams to fix or change a flat ?
BINGO. Here in the south we don't get a lot of sprint cars and when we do if it's anything other than WoO the local tracks will tack on 7 or 8 local divisions and drag the show out for HOURS. It just as bad when a touring SLM series comes to town. Tracks seem to think its ok not to finish until 1 or 2 am. I will just stay home and watch Flo, because most of the bigger races are an hour to 3 hour drive and that puts me getting home at sunup. If the locals were remotely competitive or were quality fields it MIGHT be different but they run JUNK. most of the cars look like the were barely rescued from a compactor just minutes before they were dragged through the pit gate. If your season is almost over and you're still running duct tape numbers, don't tell me that you work hard on your car and you "deserve" to race. People talk about how we should "support our local tracks" but I refuse to drive an hour or two, pay $30-40 for a ticket and then sit there for six or eight hours.
Excluding the four crown, my first rule is to avoid any race night that includes more than 4 classes.
It's especially frustrating when bigger shows schedule support classes that are full of messy guys. Went to the NARC show at Willamette Speedway last year and they had street stocks that took forever to run because they did single car qualifying for them (WHY?!) and some limited late model things on pavement tires that there were only like 6 of still managed to take forever because they kept spinning out. I swear one of them made it his mission to hit every tractor tire on the property that evening... They ended up cutting laps off the NARC main event because of it, and on top of that they charged nearly $20 more for a ticket than any other stop on the Oregon/Washington swing.
Sadly though, I still see drivers and their families complaining on the local track pages about how they wish it was like the olden days where every night had every class running, even when their class has like 4 cars.
Lincoln make the same announcement every night. If you are not on the track by the end of the announcement of the starting lineup you go to the rear. Not once have I ever seen all the cars on the track prior to that. Also not once has anyone ever been sent to the rear. They need to enforce the rules and keep the show moving.
I think for most shows there should be NO more than 3 divisions for a weekly show and everyone start no later than 7pm. Earlier at start and end of year.
Most time trials should only have support classes with no B-Main for them, while midweek shows should be main class only.
But for the most part, Port Royal does better in keeping the show moving for a weekly 3 division show compare to Lincoln at 2 divisions. I also agree that a lot of cautions or red, or big rework of the track slow the show down so it’s always a moving target.
Williamsgrove lets the cars take way too many laps before going green
How do you figure that? The Grove has changed in recent years how they push off for the feature. They get all cars on the track, push them off, get them lined up, and go green as soon as they get the word the lineup is good. Weather or multiple red flags will drag our shows out, but aside from that, we've had racing nights done by 9:30-10:00 if we can get caution free nights.
@@eaglejoe8 The problem is the break between the B-Main and feature combined with the eight laps of the pace truck just for the guys to back out of their pit stall ... then, you have the pace laps. Feels like an eternity. Most nights, the 410s are done around 10:15, maybe a few minutes later. Depends on car count. But then you have the 358s. It's not hateful, but the gap between consis and the mains is too long.
@@SprintCarUnlimited his comment was the cars take too many laps before going green, which is factually inaccurate. Once every car is pushed off, and the trucks are clear, they get the lights go out to get lined up and once the starter gets the word from the woman in the tower that the lineup is good, as long as the pace truck isn’t past the bridge, they turn the lights back out and go green.
Also, you’re wrong about the pace truck and cars backing out. They have 5 laps, not 8. As far as the break, it’s ten minutes after the B main. The 410’s run their B main before the A, and the qualifiers do need a few minutes to fuel up and make changes. I disagree completely with the idea that the Grove drags the show out. Now when the Outlaws come, I feel they do a bit. They do driver interviews after heats, which are pointless. And they have to do the 4 abreast parade lap. They can definitely cut some time off the show.
@@eaglejoe8 Correct, it's five. My mistake, and I misspoke. But there is no excuse for a 30 minute break at their last show. B-Main was over around 9, and the A-Main didn't get underway until 9:30.
At 50/60 bucks a pop, I want some bang(racing)for my buck....👍🏁🏁
Port Royal needs to cut back on how many divisions they have weekly to get over at a decent time plus the mess around to much
Yes agree with about every track on that point adding other classes to the midweek specials is a turn off , give the fans a 20 to 30 min brake say after the b main then jump right into the A main , no one wants to sit Ron those wooden bleachers for 4 hrs !
Port Royal’s Labor Day race is case in point. Over 5 hours to get the 410 feature in. Way too long.
@@anthonywillis6332 in that case I kind of understand cause it being a day race and if they didn’t it would of rubber up if they hadn’t water it but also believe they need to do it a night race can’t do day race to dry
Gotta have all the divisions to get pit pass money to pay the sprint car purse.
I left 4 crown after the heat races… drove 1.5 hours and still was home in time for the feature on Flo..
despite the great event I lost interest
Nailed it with this one Jeremy. I think you can point at Mike Hess and Kendra Jacobs with high limit as to why they prioritize an efficient show. I've seen comments from Mike on Twitter about this & I know Kendra tried to prioritize it at Knoxville when she was there.
I used to be one of those guys that would have said I don't care how late the show runs, but that was before I had kids. If my kids are up too late, we pay for it for days. My kids enjoy going & I want to take them, but when it starts to get past 10-10:30 I start getting irritated, especially if the drive home is very long.
But Jeremy, they need to sell 2000 cans of beer at $10 a piece before they think about moving the show forward.
I would hope to see Jeremy follow up on the state of the All Stars, HL said at their press release that we’re subbing out ASCoC for 2024, not ending the brand.HL needed to prioritize the national tour first. Do you really think Stewart, who is close friends with Larson ,would sell it without knowing Kyle/Brad wouldn’t do what’s best for such a well established legacy? Sprint car racing is in excellent hands now, relax , sit back and enjoy the ride…the WoO needed a good punch to the mouth, they had become way too fulll of themselves!
Well out.
Get rid of time trials. Go into heat races after hot laps. Random draw for positions. Let the cream rise to the top through racing. Might well produce more different winners over the season.
💯 I agree. That would definitely make it more interesting for the fans. Watching 1 dominant car win all the time sucks and it's really not exciting for the fans.
@@robertmonty6544 Right. Put less emphasis on those who can afford the most expensive engines. Creating more parody will lead to more teams feeling they have a decent chance to compete.
Take away time trials and many big names who the people come to see won't show up. Big teams want time trials because they'll start up front.
@@dwaynemathias3834 Can't they win from other than the expensive engines putting them on the front two rows?
i agree with you 100% on this. But why the comment on the die heart fans? The die heart fans are what brings other fans to the track i don't think you know what your talking about with that comment could of left it out and still made your point!!!
The comment on the diehards is in reference that you can't depend on that one group anymore. It's dwindling, hence why crowds are off a little bit. Also, some of the diehards are staying at home to watch it on streaming ... life changes, and tracks need to do the same.
@@SprintCarUnlimited i don't disagree with you it just came off wrong to me.
Times are different now. There isn't anything to do after the races are over because everything is closed after the races anyway. We get Rutters and Sheetz after the races? Their food sucks! Bars and restaurants are closed usually after the races in the 2020s with no more entertainment to go to anymore with bands or DJs. I am glad that I was in my 20s and 30s decades ago because it sucks to be in your 20s and 30s in the 2020s. Going to the Country Side Inn to see live bands after the race was fun in the late 1980s and 1990s as was going to Wanda's for a DJ, Gullify's for live bands etc to 2:00 AM or later and then 24 hour diners were common as well in many towns for decades. Today it is only Sheetz and Rutters 🤢?
No one ever complained about this back in day when i go to the races i don"t worry about time i just enjoy my time with my favorite sport of all and i like watching suport divisions, they deserve to be there too, i say if u are in a rush to be out of there maybe you're not a (REAL) fan
I understand how you feel, but back in the day is over. You need a new influx of fans, and newbies don't want to be there all night. All businesses have to adapt.
Sobriety check start at 11.... Just saying... Nowadays it's not worth it but I can't speak for everyone!!
I agree 100%. A 3 hr show MAX. Don't need support classes holding up the whole show either. Or Laporta rambling on and on and on and on. 4 crown goes 7 hrs each night. Not sure how much longer that event will be around.
Years and years ago, 1970's ... the standard was ALWAYS 3 hours. You have 3 hours to keep people ...
Dammit I started writing too soon ...
Just to finish my point ... the standard hasn't changed.
Put starters on the cars. Eliminate tire grinding,sipping,soaking,grooving. One set of tires a night.
ELDORA was ridiculous 🙄 High Limit was there and no way was it run with the fans or race teams in mind. There is no way I would go to high events. Takes to long. I felt like I was watching the Chili Bowl Saturday night. I can't do these kind of events. I don't do tracks in Central because of a hour and a half ride or 3 hour drive. Can't afford the hotels anymore. Have to find a happy medium for fans and race teams. We don't need 3 division shows.
This will create less tracks with your rubble brain idea! promoters tracks have to earn $ on concessions or bye bye breaks are meant for people to get concessions
@@Norwisco,
How many less people are at the track because they don't want to sit through a 5 hour program?
The food is horrible at Williams Grove Speedway, so I doubt that they make that much money on concessions.
It goes way past simple breaks for food.
3 hrs max . And damnit all start when advertised. The 6 o’clock news doesn’t start at 6:45 . That’s my beef