The difference in my opinion is the input. It sounds as if your DI isn't hitting the plugin as hard as the guitar input to the pedal. That would certainly make a world of difference. Even if the input was off just a couple of db.
I’ve been researching amp sims for almost a decade now and what I found is using an analog preamp pedal with an opamp, etc before the software makes it sound much better, that is the reason all these pedals like UAD dream, ACS1, etc sound so good. I have just bought Tonex Max and so far I’m impressed, I don’t have the pedal for comparison though. I would have liked you to match input levels from both sources for a more scientific test. It’s a very interesting video, thanks man.
As a ToneX owner, the pedal sounds better than the ToneX plugin. Amps seem more alive, punchier...I made this comparison too and honestly I didn't expect all this difference.
I was just watching another video about this and apparently the pedal had an 8db clean boost after the d/a converter. It's now been adjusted in the latest firmware so that this been removed (after some complaints and user feedback), and if you're on the latest firmware, you'll need to manually increase the global input trim to +8.0db to get the effect shown in this video. I'm not 100% sure if this is what is happened, because I don't know what firmware version you are on, but it would perfectly explain what is happening here. I don't own this pedal, I've just been researching a lot in the last few days. The new firmware also has sort of a input meter on the right of the screen "low", "ok" etc. 0db comes up as "low", 8db comes up as "ok" etc. Some users liked it the way it was, some didn't.. but it was like having a separate clean boost pedal in front of the amp. High gain players like it, but a lot of lower gain/vintage players were complaining and wanting neutral/parity input gain. With the latest firmware (with default settings), it will now behave as if plugging it into any other audio interface.
thanks for video. it is interesting which audiointerface models can give significantly better result for vst guitar playing. kinda to get even better tone using vst than even priginal hardware tonex | helix hardware device
It seemed like there was slightly more gain coming from the pedal version. I think bumping the input trim down on the pedal might get them much closer.
I wanted to see if it sounds any different without adjusting anything…just as is!! And I really don’t think it makes much of a difference at all…very close!!
@@TSFAHTPS I was just watching another video about this and apparently the pedal had an 8db clean boost after the d/a converter. It's now been adjusted in the latest firmware so that this been removed (after some complaints and user feedback), and if you're on the latest firmware, you'll need to manually increase the global input trim to +8.0db to get the effect shown in this video. I'm not 100% sure if this is what is happened, because I don't know what firmware version you are on, but it would perfectly explain what is happening here. I don't own this pedal, I've just been researching a lot in the last few days. There's also a sort of input meter on the right of the screen "low", "ok" etc. 0db comes up as "low", 8db comes up as "ok" etc. Some users liked it the way it was, some didn't.. but it was like having a separate clean boost pedal in front of the amp. High gain players like it, but a lot of lower gain/vintage players were complaining and wanting neutral/parity input gain. With the latest firmware, it will behave as if plugging it into any other audio interface.
I think there was a little bit more of Input Volumen from Guitar in the Pedal. You can Trim it with a "TRIM IN" Parameter. The Pedal has more mid and highend. But in Bandcontext it will be helpful. So I like the sound of my Tonex Pedel more then in the Software Plugin. Thank you for your Content 👍
Thank you for this. I was wondering what the tonal difference was between the plug in and the pedal. I agree when you A/B them there is a slight difference but I say if you did not A/B and only used the software you probably would not notice any perceivable difference. To me what is more important is that the captures have the same feel and dynamic response as the tube amp and does not sound artificial. Thanks again for the comparison.
Have you adjusted the INPUT TRIM ? That is the trick to do - see Jason Sadites you tube. To me the pedal has more gain. On mine, I decrease the INPUT trim to about -9dB - then the sound is about the same as the software
I know that you can do that…but I just wanted to see the difference between the two without tweaking anything! You can make it sound identical when you play around with the gain and EQ…
Differences in the volume between the Pedal and the Software could account for perceived tone variations. On the video, In the first part of the video, the Software was quieter than the Pedal. There was an example were the volumes were very close to the same, and the tones were the closest of all the comparisons. Interestingly, that's when (at 6:12) you commented that the Software was much louder than the Pedal. As far as I know, if the DACs have the same conversion specs, according to the Nyquist Theorem, the resulting signal should be identical. Other components, connections could contribute to differences in the signal.
The volume varied quite a bit in the room…I tried to adjust it to as close as possible in post! In my opinion the tones are so close that it really doesn’t make much of a difference at all!
@@TSFAHTPS As you saw in my earlier comment - when using the Tonex pedal (or even using the QC) as the audio interface, the Tonex software really lacks audio quality and doesn't really sound like the pedal to me --- right ball park, but sounds toy-ish. Maybe to get close you need a hyper quality audio interface?
Input level you choose also make a big difference on plugin. Some tones sound louder, some quieter for a specific input/output level you dial in. Did you also take is an account? Sometimes I don't know whether I should crank up the input gain level on audio interface or Tonex plugin, sometimes it's a bit confusing for me, but in Neural DSP I don't touch the input output levels of the plugin, and Audio interface input level remains at lowest. Cheers!
Yeah it’s always a bit of a guessing game with all the different gain stages…but in the end whatever works for you works…there is no right or wrong really
@TSFAHTPS I just now found out, just little bit turning up the Instrument gain on Audio Interface made me realise I was using Tonex wrong whole time, I am so glad it sounds awesome now... Everyone was enjoying Tonex, and saying it sounds great, I wasn't convinced, due to not enough signal rate going to plugin from my guitar... I am so happy it sounds fantastic now... Happened just today...
Interesting no doubt, I wonder if adding a buffer, active DI, or reamping device would make a big difference coming out of the interface. I dont have the pedal, I just use the software and I am about to get an HX Stomp, I think I will be able to use it in a couple of different ways with the Tonex software, not sure what will be the best.
The pedal sounds and feels like some kind of "boost" is being applied to the plugin and is FAR superior. I was wondering why I couldn't get the same killer tones I'm seeing so many RUclipsrs get as I'm no stranger to dialling in gear...........till I realized everyone's using the pedal in these videos........ so I did the same. BINGO!!! The pedal EASILY sounds better.
There's a very minuscule difference in crunch and clean but in high-gain I couldn't really tell. But that being said, not enough to be of any concern. Your test put my worries to sleep. thank you
Not going to say that the converters are not making any difference. But the pedal sounded all the time with a bit of more gain than the software. You probably need to adjust the input trim on the pedal and after that they would sound even closer.
I’ve noticed a difference which to me is unfortunate but not a deal killer I find the the pedal even on your demo seems to add high end to the sound. So I find myself rolling off some treble. On my wish list I wish I could tweak the sound from the plugin and hear the results in real time. Here is where the difference is bothersome to tweak the sound in the software you have to save & overwrite the previous patch to hear it on the pedal. So you can compare the 2 versions. So my workaround is to save it on another preset then A/B them and tweak further in the pedal Which is not great workflow considering it’s on my pedalboard on the floor. Once it’s done then we’ll your done with that preset. Then rinse & repeat for any others . I find myself wishing for a Amplitude pedal !
Follow up I played live last night with it as my amp source. I organized 3 presets that I liked and put them in a bank on my pedalboard was a tube screamer and a Fusion Drive in front of the ToneX & a Halo dual stereo delay after I bypassed the cabs because I use a CabZuis because it has xlr outputs Results Well my experience was like I had boutique amp behind me had a bunch of people complementing me on my tone it was a better experience than my modeler pedal. With tons of feel and expression on tap
I’m bought the pedal and have not even used it as yet. I’m currently using the plying and very happy with it. I’ll get to the pedal in time 👍 Used all kinds of plugins but the Tonex is the boss 😉🎸
I have an idea why the pedal might have more top Endphase your DI + plug-in signal. Can it be, that your A/B box is unbuffered? That could be an issue here…
Yeah the A/B box is passive, no buffer! The direct signal is going into a DI in on the interface so that should help that signal retain its high end…shouldn’t it?
@@TSFAHTPS well, I have an A/B box that’s passive, that kills my signal (even if I run into a DI after it). And you have two cables from guitar to interface and the second one is longer than the one going to the tonex pedal. The cable could make a difference. Ok my Studio board for example I have my 2 things unbuffered, 1st my wah 2nd my pedal loop Switcher (the small 6 loop gigrig thing) and after that I hit my buffer before going to the amps or the interface
That’s a really interesting comparison and thank you for doing the A/B test. I have the ID44 too and I do find that I am adding gain, treble and presence to my captures. The pedal sounds a little brighter and more forward, which I like a lot because that’s how I’m adjusting my captures when playing into the software. I have a Q - do you find that the difference still exists when you use the IK AXE/IO? Or is it closer in sound? Have a great day.
Yeah it does…it sounds a bit different again! I should do a video where I compare the sound between the pedal and a whole bunch of different interfaces…there are definitely some differences
Mine is a bit like yours. The pedal has more fidelity. I used the TONEX pedal as the interface and it does seem to have latency unless I set to 256 buffers. Then the sound is even less fidelity.
@@TSFAHTPS In fact I did more experimentation and to be honest the quality of the software compared to the pedal is really poor for me. You are not getting such a big difference. Maybe it's the audio interface. I tried using the Pedal as the audio interface for the Tonex software and then toggling between Interface and Live (I think its under global settings and operations) and its night and day. The software sounds not very good. The pedal seems decent. Would be good if you tried with the pedal as the audio interface for the Tonex software.
Just replying to myself in case it is of help to anyone else. There is an issue using the Pedal as an interface at the same time from inout and output. That is why it sounded so terrible before. Now it sounds amazing. If you use the Tonex pedal as an interface you must turn off the tone model. I believe you can just hold the back switch or else just go into preset settings and Bypass both Amp and Cab. It seems a pretty good audio interface (for one input device at a time).
What i found: even if i use the Tonex Pedal itself as an interface, it sounds different in comparison to the standalone mode of the pedal! The same as you describe here: less sparkle, less highs and not as "realistic" as the pedal alone.. its strange .. so i dont think its the converters in the first place but rather the whole process of simulating inside of the computer and not directly inside the pedal. i drives me crazy 😀
are you using line level input for your interface or hi-z? that make s a huge difference, also hi-z inputs vary a lot from one interface to another.Nothing you cannot match much closer with other plugins tho..
Peoples results may very, if they forget to adjust the " Global Settings" which I forget what they do. I am impressed with the quality of your voice audio, where is the mic placed and I here very little of the room, nice. Also are we hearing a mic'd up cabinet or is that guitar coming to us direct?
Absolutely…I just wanted to see what the difference is without adjusting anything!! And it’s so close that I don’t think it really matters!! My voice is recorded with a Lewitt LCT440 Pure condenser mic just out of shot. It runs through an old UK made Joe Meek channel strip and then into Logic…with a little Izotope Neutron for some extra compression and EQ!
what doesnt make sense to me is the tone x pedal and the guitar using the software are all getting converted from your interface so it has to be the modeling processors in the tone x pedal making it different in a slight way from the software. however I did adjust using the software and changing the input level and amp eq in tone x software and could get it so close you cant tell the difference.
I dont know but your eq on the pedal is not at noon! Treble slighlty up and bass lsightly down which fits the sound difference imo....was that hte case?
It doesn’t matter where the knobs on the pedal point to - when you go between presets it defaults to the settings saved in that preset, which were exactly the same in both
The pedal has better transients than the software. The software has a warm midbass boost and blunted transients, a fatter richer presentation that smears the note attacks. The software sounds like a recorded take one generation removed from the master tape. The pedal sounds "live" in comparison. Much prefer the pedal. It might be down to your Audient id44 which does sound warm and euphonic as an audio interface. I have the id14mk2 and hear this same pleasant mild colouration in its DI stage using both ToneX and Scuffham S-Gear and microphone recorded vocals and acoustic guitars in the preamp stage. It is a matter of preference, neither good nor bad. It is not a patch on the Audient.
Not at all…I love my Audient interface!! It’s neither better nor worse…just slightly different…but in the end it’s not different enough to worry about! Thanks Cat Got Cream
I don't know how the pedal works, but the differences I hear are almost exact the ones to be expected as the fysical eq settings on the pedal are different then the ones on the plugin. Or are those knobs doing nothing to the sound?
The knob settings on the pedal were the same as on the plugin…when you go between presets they always go to the preset settings, where the actual knob on the pedal points to doesn’t matter!
Not that I can tell!! I’m not sure what the latency is set to on the interface…it’s whatever it came set to! I find there is a little latency when I use the standalone app but when I use it as a plugin in Logic there is pretty much no latency at all!!
So as far as feel and latency there was no benefit to using the pedal? Other tests show the pedal at 3ms. I’m curious if that is the same or could be better with a good interface. What computer do you use?
@@colinjames7765 I didn’t notice any latency - to me when I use it as a plugin within Logic there are rarely ever any latency issues. When I use the standalone version I seem to notice it much more but like this both the pedal and plugin seemed to feel like there was not latency at all! I use an iMac…maybe around 2014/15 model
@@TSFAHTPS There is no much difference between pedal and plug-in imo. Check it with the imager tool, pedal comes just a little bit more on the right, maybe that's what makes you think there is a slight difference. Please take my apology for bothering you with this stuff it is not important. Thank you for making a comparison video between two units and showcasing the difference between different AD converters with the same patches.
The question is also if you want to use it live or at home/studio?!? At home or in the studio I’d probably use the software because the computer is there anyways…live I really don’t like lugging a laptop and and interface around so I’d much prefer the pedal to make life easier …it’s mostly about the application…this video was more about seeing if there is a difference between the software and the pedal…at the time there was a LOT of talk about that in the forums
Come on. There is no difference. You could easily adjust a little bit more treble into the plugin, but no, you and every other youtube pedal demo creator put all the knobs at roughly 12 noon and call it a day. Argh...
The whole point of the video was to see if it sounds the same when you use one of your captures in the software and with the pedal…it was just about the capture! Yes you can make things sound more similar if you play with the EQ…but that wasn’t the question
My thoughts here are the same as I have thought for some time which is with such a massive selection of sound available in the hole Amplitude suit why by a physical pedal. Yes the pedal sounded marginally better but with a couple of minor tweaks to the software then you would never know 🤷🏻♂️ conclusion. Stop buying pedals. Just get the software, if you don’t like a sound you can just swap to a different preset rather then needing to return an amp to a music shop. Sorry pedal and amp makers think you might be going out of business 😵💫🫣
I really hope that IK will either make a seperate pedal or through firmware updates on the ToneX Pedal make it possible for people to use the whole AmpliTube eco system in a live setting without a laptop…I think that would be absolutely amazing!
The difference in my opinion is the input. It sounds as if your DI isn't hitting the plugin as hard as the guitar input to the pedal. That would certainly make a world of difference. Even if the input was off just a couple of db.
I’ve been researching amp
sims for almost a decade now and what I found is using an analog preamp pedal with an opamp, etc before the software makes it sound much better, that is the reason all these pedals like UAD dream, ACS1, etc sound so good. I have just bought Tonex Max and so far I’m impressed, I don’t have the pedal for comparison though. I would have liked you to match input levels from both sources for a more scientific test. It’s a very interesting video, thanks man.
As a ToneX owner, the pedal sounds better than the ToneX plugin. Amps seem more alive, punchier...I made this comparison too and honestly I didn't expect all this difference.
Maybe but in null tests plug-in comes closer to the real amp than the pedal due to the lack of ad/da conversion having in pedal .
I was just watching another video about this and apparently the pedal had an 8db clean boost after the d/a converter. It's now been adjusted in the latest firmware so that this been removed (after some complaints and user feedback), and if you're on the latest firmware, you'll need to manually increase the global input trim to +8.0db to get the effect shown in this video.
I'm not 100% sure if this is what is happened, because I don't know what firmware version you are on, but it would perfectly explain what is happening here. I don't own this pedal, I've just been researching a lot in the last few days. The new firmware also has sort of a input meter on the right of the screen "low", "ok" etc. 0db comes up as "low", 8db comes up as "ok" etc.
Some users liked it the way it was, some didn't.. but it was like having a separate clean boost pedal in front of the amp. High gain players like it, but a lot of lower gain/vintage players were complaining and wanting neutral/parity input gain. With the latest firmware (with default settings), it will now behave as if plugging it into any other audio interface.
I did the test too, the pedal sounds much better than my 15 years old Line 6 UX-1 interface 🤣And with a lot less latency.
The point of the pedal was to take your home/studio tones on the road. I think it’s close enough to meet that purpose.
That’s what I think too!!
thanks for video. it is interesting which audiointerface models can give significantly better result for vst guitar playing. kinda to get even better tone using vst than even priginal hardware tonex | helix hardware device
It seemed like there was slightly more gain coming from the pedal version.
I think bumping the input trim down on the pedal might get them much closer.
Bingo
Agreed. It's giving it a bit more saturation to my ear.
I wanted to see if it sounds any different without adjusting anything…just as is!! And I really don’t think it makes much of a difference at all…very close!!
@@TSFAHTPS I was just watching another video about this and apparently the pedal had an 8db clean boost after the d/a converter. It's now been adjusted in the latest firmware so that this been removed (after some complaints and user feedback), and if you're on the latest firmware, you'll need to manually increase the global input trim to +8.0db to get the effect shown in this video.
I'm not 100% sure if this is what is happened, because I don't know what firmware version you are on, but it would perfectly explain what is happening here. I don't own this pedal, I've just been researching a lot in the last few days. There's also a sort of input meter on the right of the screen "low", "ok" etc. 0db comes up as "low", 8db comes up as "ok" etc.
Some users liked it the way it was, some didn't.. but it was like having a separate clean boost pedal in front of the amp. High gain players like it, but a lot of lower gain/vintage players were complaining and wanting neutral/parity input gain. With the latest firmware, it will behave as if plugging it into any other audio interface.
I think there was a little bit more of Input Volumen from Guitar in the Pedal.
You can Trim it with a "TRIM IN" Parameter. The Pedal has more mid and highend.
But in Bandcontext it will be helpful.
So I like the sound of my Tonex Pedel more then in the Software Plugin.
Thank you for your Content 👍
Thank you for this. I was wondering what the tonal difference was between the plug in and the pedal. I agree when you A/B them there is a slight difference but I say if you did not A/B and only used the software you probably would not notice any perceivable difference. To me what is more important is that the captures have the same feel and dynamic response as the tube amp and does not sound artificial. Thanks again for the comparison.
Have you adjusted the INPUT TRIM ? That is the trick to do - see Jason Sadites you tube. To me the pedal has more gain. On mine, I decrease the INPUT trim to about -9dB - then the sound is about the same as the software
I know that you can do that…but I just wanted to see the difference between the two without tweaking anything! You can make it sound identical when you play around with the gain and EQ…
Differences in the volume between the Pedal and the Software could account for perceived tone variations. On the video, In the first part of the video, the Software was quieter than the Pedal. There was an example were the volumes were very close to the same, and the tones were the closest of all the comparisons. Interestingly, that's when (at 6:12) you commented that the Software was much louder than the Pedal.
As far as I know, if the DACs have the same conversion specs, according to the Nyquist Theorem, the resulting signal should be identical. Other components, connections could contribute to differences in the signal.
The volume varied quite a bit in the room…I tried to adjust it to as close as possible in post! In my opinion the tones are so close that it really doesn’t make much of a difference at all!
@@TSFAHTPS I agree, and we can still dial in the tones further to our liking and needs.
@@picksalot1 exactly!! Thanks Picksalot!
@@TSFAHTPS As you saw in my earlier comment - when using the Tonex pedal (or even using the QC) as the audio interface, the Tonex software really lacks audio quality and doesn't really sound like the pedal to me --- right ball park, but sounds toy-ish. Maybe to get close you need a hyper quality audio interface?
Seem be pedal more rich of high frequency and have more gain...great job man !
Thanks!
Input level you choose also make a big difference on plugin. Some tones sound louder, some quieter for a specific input/output level you dial in. Did you also take is an account? Sometimes I don't know whether I should crank up the input gain level on audio interface or Tonex plugin, sometimes it's a bit confusing for me, but in Neural DSP I don't touch the input output levels of the plugin, and Audio interface input level remains at lowest. Cheers!
Yeah it’s always a bit of a guessing game with all the different gain stages…but in the end whatever works for you works…there is no right or wrong really
@TSFAHTPS I just now found out, just little bit turning up the Instrument gain on Audio Interface made me realise I was using Tonex wrong whole time, I am so glad it sounds awesome now... Everyone was enjoying Tonex, and saying it sounds great, I wasn't convinced, due to not enough signal rate going to plugin from my guitar... I am so happy it sounds fantastic now... Happened just today...
Interesting no doubt, I wonder if adding a buffer, active DI, or reamping device would make a big difference coming out of the interface. I dont have the pedal, I just use the software and I am about to get an HX Stomp, I think I will be able to use it in a couple of different ways with the Tonex software, not sure what will be the best.
Subjectively speaking, the pedal has more sparkle and clarity, note separation. Nice vid' 🎶
Thank you
The pedal sounds and feels like some kind of "boost" is being applied to the plugin and is FAR superior. I was wondering why I couldn't get the same killer tones I'm seeing so many RUclipsrs get as I'm no stranger to dialling in gear...........till I realized everyone's using the pedal in these videos........ so I did the same. BINGO!!! The pedal EASILY sounds better.
I think can you bypass your interface converters by using the USB connection.
There's a very minuscule difference in crunch and clean but in high-gain I couldn't really tell. But that being said, not enough to be of any concern. Your test put my worries to sleep. thank you
That’s exactly how I felt!! Thank you very much!!
Not going to say that the converters are not making any difference. But the pedal sounded all the time with a bit of more gain than the software. You probably need to adjust the input trim on the pedal and after that they would sound even closer.
I wanted to see how it sounds without adjusting anything…just straight in without changing the input gain!
I’ve noticed a difference which to me is unfortunate but not a deal killer I find the the pedal even on your demo seems to add high end to the sound. So I find myself rolling off some treble. On my wish list I wish I could tweak the sound from the plugin and hear the results in real time. Here is where the difference is bothersome to tweak the sound in the software you have to save & overwrite the previous patch to hear it on the pedal. So you can compare the 2 versions. So my workaround is to save it on another preset then A/B them and tweak further in the pedal Which is not great workflow considering it’s on my pedalboard on the floor. Once it’s done then we’ll your done with that preset. Then rinse & repeat for any others . I find myself wishing for a Amplitude pedal !
Follow up I played live last night with it as my amp source. I organized 3 presets that I liked and put them in a bank on my pedalboard was a tube screamer and a Fusion Drive in front of the ToneX & a Halo dual stereo delay after I bypassed the cabs because I use a CabZuis because it has xlr outputs Results Well my experience was like I had boutique amp behind me had a bunch of people complementing me on my tone it was a better experience than my modeler pedal. With tons of feel and expression on tap
I'd really like a version of this using the Axe IO to see of there is still a difference or not
I’m bought the pedal
and have not even used it as yet. I’m currently using the plying and very happy with it.
I’ll get to the pedal in time 👍
Used all kinds of plugins but the Tonex is the boss 😉🎸
I have an idea why the pedal might have more top Endphase your DI + plug-in signal. Can it be, that your A/B box is unbuffered? That could be an issue here…
Yeah the A/B box is passive, no buffer! The direct signal is going into a DI in on the interface so that should help that signal retain its high end…shouldn’t it?
@@TSFAHTPS well, I have an A/B box that’s passive, that kills my signal (even if I run into a DI after it). And you have two cables from guitar to interface and the second one is longer than the one going to the tonex pedal. The cable could make a difference.
Ok my Studio board for example I have my 2 things unbuffered, 1st my wah 2nd my pedal loop Switcher (the small 6 loop gigrig thing) and after that I hit my buffer before going to the amps or the interface
@@NicoSchliemann I’ll try it again with a buffer! Thanks Nico
Awesome video. Pedal wins over the software. That's for sure.
That’s a really interesting comparison and thank you for doing the A/B test. I have the ID44 too and I do find that I am adding gain, treble and presence to my captures. The pedal sounds a little brighter and more forward, which I like a lot because that’s how I’m adjusting my captures when playing into the software. I have a Q - do you find that the difference still exists when you use the IK AXE/IO? Or is it closer in sound? Have a great day.
Yeah it does…it sounds a bit different again! I should do a video where I compare the sound between the pedal and a whole bunch of different interfaces…there are definitely some differences
Mine is a bit like yours. The pedal has more fidelity. I used the TONEX pedal as the interface and it does seem to have latency unless I set to 256 buffers. Then the sound is even less fidelity.
Yeah it’s a bit of a trade off - thanks Paul!!
@@TSFAHTPS In fact I did more experimentation and to be honest the quality of the software compared to the pedal is really poor for me. You are not getting such a big difference. Maybe it's the audio interface. I tried using the Pedal as the audio interface for the Tonex software and then toggling between Interface and Live (I think its under global settings and operations) and its night and day. The software sounds not very good. The pedal seems decent. Would be good if you tried with the pedal as the audio interface for the Tonex software.
Just replying to myself in case it is of help to anyone else. There is an issue using the Pedal as an interface at the same time from inout and output. That is why it sounded so terrible before. Now it sounds amazing. If you use the Tonex pedal as an interface you must turn off the tone model. I believe you can just hold the back switch or else just go into preset settings and Bypass both Amp and Cab. It seems a pretty good audio interface (for one input device at a time).
@@bartlettpsj thanks for the info - good to know!!
What i found: even if i use the Tonex Pedal itself as an interface, it sounds different in comparison to the standalone mode of the pedal! The same as you describe here: less sparkle, less highs and not as "realistic" as the pedal alone.. its strange .. so i dont think its the converters in the first place but rather the whole process of simulating inside of the computer and not directly inside the pedal. i drives me crazy 😀
THIS was waiting for....
are you using line level input for your interface or hi-z? that make s a huge difference, also hi-z inputs vary a lot from one interface to another.Nothing you cannot match much closer with other plugins tho..
The Hi-Z input…yeah there is a huge difference in all different types in interfaces
Stereo field is also different!
Hi, what's the archtop on the left with 3 pickups? Looks dope!
It’s a late 50s Silvertone 1429…great guitar for its age
Alreadty love it, looks like something I'd play a lot! Thanks and good luck!@@TSFAHTPS
Peoples results may very, if they forget to adjust the " Global Settings" which I forget what they do.
I am impressed with the quality of your voice audio, where is the mic placed and I here very little of the room, nice. Also are we hearing a mic'd up cabinet or is that guitar coming to us direct?
Absolutely…I just wanted to see what the difference is without adjusting anything!! And it’s so close that I don’t think it really matters!!
My voice is recorded with a Lewitt LCT440 Pure condenser mic just out of shot. It runs through an old UK made Joe Meek channel strip and then into Logic…with a little Izotope Neutron for some extra compression and EQ!
Oh and the guitar sounds were all direct, no real amps or cabinets used
@@TSFAHTPS Thank you for your explanation of your set up, it is so nice to see people on camera without that huge Shure 78B sticking in their face.
have you try to use ToneX Pedal as Audio Interface ? Damn for guitar is a destroyer of other interface.....
what doesnt make sense to me is the tone x pedal and the guitar using the software are all getting converted from your interface so it has to be the modeling processors in the tone x pedal making it different in a slight way from the software. however I did adjust using the software and changing the input level and amp eq in tone x software and could get it so close you cant tell the difference.
I dont know but your eq on the pedal is not at noon! Treble slighlty up and bass lsightly down which fits the sound difference imo....was that hte case?
It doesn’t matter where the knobs on the pedal point to - when you go between presets it defaults to the settings saved in that preset, which were exactly the same in both
The pedal has better transients than the software. The software has a warm midbass boost and blunted transients, a fatter richer presentation that smears the note attacks. The software sounds like a recorded take one generation removed from the master tape. The pedal sounds "live" in comparison. Much prefer the pedal. It might be down to your Audient id44 which does sound warm and euphonic as an audio interface. I have the id14mk2 and hear this same pleasant mild colouration in its DI stage using both ToneX and Scuffham S-Gear and microphone recorded vocals and acoustic guitars in the preamp stage. It is a matter of preference, neither good nor bad. It is not a patch on the Audient.
Not at all…I love my Audient interface!! It’s neither better nor worse…just slightly different…but in the end it’s not different enough to worry about! Thanks Cat Got Cream
I don't know how the pedal works, but the differences I hear are almost exact the ones to be expected as the fysical eq settings on the pedal are different then the ones on the plugin.
Or are those knobs doing nothing to the sound?
The knob settings on the pedal were the same as on the plugin…when you go between presets they always go to the preset settings, where the actual knob on the pedal points to doesn’t matter!
Hard to say not much difference in my opinion!🙂👍🎸
Were you able to increase the CPU speed on the pedal? Mine has latency.
I haven’t don’t anything with the pedal and I don’t feel any latency
any latency difference? what is the latency adjustment in your interface?
Not that I can tell!! I’m not sure what the latency is set to on the interface…it’s whatever it came set to! I find there is a little latency when I use the standalone app but when I use it as a plugin in Logic there is pretty much no latency at all!!
So as far as feel and latency there was no benefit to using the pedal? Other tests show the pedal at 3ms. I’m curious if that is the same or could be better with a good interface.
What computer do you use?
@@colinjames7765 I didn’t notice any latency - to me when I use it as a plugin within Logic there are rarely ever any latency issues. When I use the standalone version I seem to notice it much more but like this both the pedal and plugin seemed to feel like there was not latency at all!
I use an iMac…maybe around 2014/15 model
How is this different from ampltube?
All I hear is sligth panning sounds between each switch. One is more left and another is more right.
None of these tracks were panned at all…
@@TSFAHTPS There is no much difference between pedal and plug-in imo. Check it with the imager tool, pedal comes just a little bit more on the right, maybe that's what makes you think there is a slight difference. Please take my apology for bothering you with this stuff it is not important. Thank you for making a comparison video between two units and showcasing the difference between different AD converters with the same patches.
@@myhapylife no need to apologise
Both sound legit but lets be honest, hardware is more fun :)
All of this is Line 6 idea.Converting sounds ok but what is already in this pedal sounds to me not good enough.
Pedal sounds better
The question is…is there a 200$ difference
The question is also if you want to use it live or at home/studio?!? At home or in the studio I’d probably use the software because the computer is there anyways…live I really don’t like lugging a laptop and and interface around so I’d much prefer the pedal to make life easier …it’s mostly about the application…this video was more about seeing if there is a difference between the software and the pedal…at the time there was a LOT of talk about that in the forums
in this "test" the pedal is simply louder. louder equals better. this is just an advertisement and not a test
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Tune the guitar
it's the same software in the pedal man.....jesus
Different DACs man...jesus
Haha…it’s very close…but people asked for a comparison video like this…
Oh and…jesus
@@bobdillon1138 mate…. 🤦♂️
Come on. There is no difference. You could easily adjust a little bit more treble into the plugin, but no, you and every other youtube pedal demo creator put all the knobs at roughly 12 noon and call it a day. Argh...
The whole point of the video was to see if it sounds the same when you use one of your captures in the software and with the pedal…it was just about the capture! Yes you can make things sound more similar if you play with the EQ…but that wasn’t the question
My thoughts here are the same as I have thought for some time which is with such a massive selection of sound available in the hole Amplitude suit why by a physical pedal. Yes the pedal sounded marginally better but with a couple of minor tweaks to the software then you would never know 🤷🏻♂️ conclusion. Stop buying pedals. Just get the software, if you don’t like a sound you can just swap to a different preset rather then needing to return an amp to a music shop. Sorry pedal and amp makers think you might be going out of business 😵💫🫣
I really hope that IK will either make a seperate pedal or through firmware updates on the ToneX Pedal make it possible for people to use the whole AmpliTube eco system in a live setting without a laptop…I think that would be absolutely amazing!
@@TSFAHTPS with Amplitube CE for your Phone and a simple interface like an iRig HD2 your 90% of the way there already.
@@robertmenzies3032 true…but I still think all of that in a pedal would be amazing!