2 into 1 XS650 intake | Old School Chopper Build Series ep 23

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024

Комментарии • 455

  • @marvindelack4483
    @marvindelack4483 4 года назад +1

    joe wiseguy here. love the bike. if you ever have any questions on the intakes im easy to find. i will suggest that you install fibre gaskets with the yamabond. and i see you re jetted the 34. they will need it coming from dual to single. i also have jetting recipees for my intakes as well. when using my enforcer intake it does take a few minutes to warm up properly. you know......kinda like a harley...hehe..anyway love the video, and your bike build too.

  • @maximilianrockefeller8854
    @maximilianrockefeller8854 5 лет назад +31

    The magneto on one side and intake on the other is the perfect blend of unique and ugly.
    It's beautiful 🤘😎🤘

    • @methamphetasaur
      @methamphetasaur 5 лет назад +2

      Right? I feel like it needed that carb setup. Asymmetry really throws off aesthetics I think. Having some weird thing on either side really pulls the look together.

  • @I0ITuGI0I
    @I0ITuGI0I 5 лет назад +128

    its running too lean, you've taken away 1 carb and the engine isn't getting the right fuel as a result, you will need to fit a bigger idle jet and a bigger main jet to compensate for the lack of go go juice

    • @davidmugsyclewell8157
      @davidmugsyclewell8157 5 лет назад +3

      Bingo. My friend did this and the change up worked

    • @zachr5438
      @zachr5438 5 лет назад +5

      I had a virago with a 2 into one, and we had to tune the carb so that it would just barely flood itself to run right

    • @RTJsims
      @RTJsims 5 лет назад +3

      Yup yup. This. You basically cut your fuel flow in half.

    • @torque63
      @torque63 5 лет назад

      @@zachr5438 I did a 2 into one on a virago and it would stall/cut out on left turns, think it was how the gravity/inertia effected the fuel level inside the single carb

    • @williamnelson2332
      @williamnelson2332 5 лет назад +1

      I believe he also spoke of putting a lektron on it

  • @bradleyalexander5821
    @bradleyalexander5821 5 лет назад

    Dude that beast of a chopper is sooooo radical that I bet you could win a chopper contest just on the “audacity “ alone. One judge says to the other “can you believe ShadeTree did that?” The other replies “fuck-it give him the trophy” 🏆winner, winner, chicken dinner. 👍🏼 👏👏👏 😎

  • @SolidFoxHoundSF
    @SolidFoxHoundSF 4 года назад

    It looks like it’s giving the world a big ol hug lol!

  • @Static_eg_guy
    @Static_eg_guy 5 лет назад +2

    I just wanted to say that I love your videos and watching you build your xs650 has given me a few awesome ideas for my xs650. Keep up the great work on an awesome bike!

  • @SmokeRingsPipeDreams
    @SmokeRingsPipeDreams 5 лет назад

    Between the stick shift, magneto and single carb out there this bike reminds me of these cool models they had when I was a kid called "Rat Fink" cars were everything was real wild and outrageous!

  • @GYPSYROSEENT420
    @GYPSYROSEENT420 5 лет назад +1

    That thing looks badass man!!!!!

  • @adonaiyahteemann4030
    @adonaiyahteemann4030 5 лет назад +22

    Fuel vaporization reduces temp, some race intakes condensate and ice over/frost up. Thats what makes carb and long intakes good, more time for the fuel to pull the intake temps down. But less throttle response.

    • @codykesler9839
      @codykesler9839 5 лет назад

      And harder cold starts but he lives in florda so i imagine its not an issue

    • @jimsadler418
      @jimsadler418 5 лет назад +1

      He needs a fatter fuel line. One of my older H2s would gag due to the fuels lines being too small a diameter.

  • @Firestorm637
    @Firestorm637 5 лет назад

    Love the looks. A version of the Harley FXDR without the plastic case! Very unique. Yes, going from 2 carbs to one you have cut fuel in half as well as CFM(air). You will need larger jets for more fuel to make up for one less carb. Also you will probably need a larger carb for more CFM(air flow) that one carb can not give you. There are one carb kits for triumph 650’s but the one carb is larger. Glad your not scared trying something new.

  • @pyootchnich
    @pyootchnich 5 лет назад

    Camera angle on left side great idea. That’s what I wanted to see. Weird bike, nice work

  • @smithbilly1985
    @smithbilly1985 5 лет назад +12

    Sounds like it needs a bigger pilot jet and idle mixture tuning. It should have a fuel or air screw to adjust the idle mixture. Try leaving the choke on until it warms up until you can tune it.

    • @leesuschrist
      @leesuschrist 5 лет назад +1

      I agree with this, it sounds like it needs a bigger pilot jet.

  • @ecrusch
    @ecrusch 5 лет назад

    Man, I wish I had HALF that much room to get at the carbs on my bike.
    It's like working on old pick up trucks as opposed to the new ones of today.
    The old machines bikes, cars & trucks had a LOT more room to get at stuff. Really enjoying the series brother.

  • @BrianLarson1326
    @BrianLarson1326 5 лет назад

    Sticking that carb out in the breeze will make for a longer warm up. Again, longer exhaust pipes will aid tuning. Glad to see it on there, looks AWESOME.Nice work ST.

  • @muddpuppie226
    @muddpuppie226 5 лет назад

    Carb looks badass. I love it.

  • @MereCashmere
    @MereCashmere 5 лет назад

    I cannot fucking wait to see the finished product. This is so inspiring.

  • @Elvirth24
    @Elvirth24 5 лет назад

    That single carb manifold looks dope! I have a single carb conversion manifold on a Virago 750 and it hangs out the side pretty far too. I like it that way. Makes maintenance accessible and easy. Your chuffing through the carb and power loss are due to a lean running condition, just slap some bigger jets in that puppy. Had to do the same to my bike when I converted it.

  • @TeddCookerly
    @TeddCookerly 5 лет назад +1

    Dude, thank you for showing the camera angle on the foot clutch and shifter. I am working on a new Sportster chopper and Led Sled makes ones that I have really been thinking about picking up. Hearing you talk about knowing how to drive a stickshift and this conversation has me sold on the idea! Thanks, man!

  • @Pleb1776
    @Pleb1776 5 лет назад

    They joys of building a bike yourself 👍🏻

  • @orionfixr7713
    @orionfixr7713 5 лет назад

    The intake looks awesome !! Ya' need a set of ceramic headers now so the motor looks like a meatball on a plate of pasta !!

  • @dannyb20vtec28
    @dannyb20vtec28 5 лет назад

    Looks great shade tree! You should get crazy with the pipes! Do some gnarly high pipes that come up by the sissy bar.. not super high but you know. Thumbs up

  • @gerlandkent6377
    @gerlandkent6377 Год назад

    That single carb looks great it makes the bike

  • @fritzk9118
    @fritzk9118 5 лет назад

    Looks sweet ...didn't like the idea at first but once I saw the finished intake .... 10/10 for this project.

  • @rocko8153
    @rocko8153 5 лет назад

    Hey Josh , really love the channel. The music you use is the best, Kinda throwback and relaxing . That bike is soo freaking awesome! Keep up the great work buddy.
    Much love from Michigan...

  • @kajnrider9598
    @kajnrider9598 5 лет назад

    Bike is looking good. Intake looks awesome.

  • @dennisalexander5580
    @dennisalexander5580 5 лет назад

    Inspiring me to start on mine been tore completely down for over three years needed motivation keep em comin

  • @bikerbobcat
    @bikerbobcat 5 лет назад

    At least from my artistic standpoint that side carb is a perfect balance to the magneto on the other side. Cool addition of SHIFT CAM. I would really like to see someone riding along side getting your whole contraption in motion in frame, showing shifting and all that. Super proud of ya.

  • @nakedbeachrider8798
    @nakedbeachrider8798 5 лет назад +1

    What size carb is that? My Xr650 uses a 41mm Keihin FCR pumper carb and with all the mods on with ethanol fuel 158 main jet, 58 slow jet .... you need something pretty close to same adjustments. To run non ethanol gas in my bike the jets shrink by 1 size 155/55 . Your mileage may vary.

  • @levispaich3084
    @levispaich3084 5 лет назад

    It does look ridiculous... ridiculously dope that is! Lol

  • @kylejohnson423
    @kylejohnson423 2 года назад

    4:51 the slight haze on the lense gives the shine a god-like quality. It shall bare me to Valhalla Shiny and chrome!

  • @extrasmack
    @extrasmack 5 лет назад

    Diggin it man. Really givin off Mad Max vibes. Not as in the chopped superbikes from the first flick, but as in the many oddball vehicles from Roadwarrior and Thunderdome. Sort of like "techs" said, "Oh that part was supposed to go tucked away in there? Ah fuk it. Just weld up some braces and attach it where it is."

  • @Willie_MN
    @Willie_MN 5 лет назад

    HI Shade! Cold = The Venturi effect is the reduction in
    fluid pressure that results when a fluid flows through a constricted
    section of a pipe. The Venturi effect is named after Giovanni Battista
    Venturi, an Italian physicist. Keep up the GREAT work! Thanks for sharing! Willie

  • @LootGhoul12
    @LootGhoul12 5 лет назад

    The chopper looks awesome so far!!!

  • @rectilj
    @rectilj 3 года назад

    Nice art on the cooler 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @rickbutler1521
    @rickbutler1521 5 лет назад

    That intake is sick!

  • @pipestattoosandconversations
    @pipestattoosandconversations 5 лет назад

    I would suggest that it needs to be re-jetted. Its probably just lean because you halved the fuel intake. I would suggest a bigger idle and main jet but you can take a look at the spark plugs and see if they are white and ashy or not. You should also re-jet after putting on straight pipes or a faster flowing air cleaner as you will be increasing the air in the stoichiometric mixture. From one Chopper builder to another, good luck and your bike is beautiful!

  • @vsteel
    @vsteel 5 лет назад

    As stated before your intake tract is a lot longer so it will be running a bit leaner. when the bike warms up more part of the intake will heat up and when fuel falls out of suspension it will then vaporize and burn in the cylinder. Because of the longer intake it will also give slower throttle response because when you suddenly whack it open the fuel can fall out of suspension. Same principal on why carbs on cars have an accelerator pump. When you are on it and it is running mid range to full range the air fuel mix is going so fast the fuel doesn't have time to fall out of suspension. I think you can richen it up and maybe get a carb guy to setup your new carb with stronger off idle vacuum signals to compensate for a longer intake. It is a solvable problem, nothing showstopping.

  • @darrellscott7980
    @darrellscott7980 5 лет назад

    That throttle cable stuck up in the air any further it would catch tree branches as you ride under them. 😁. That bike is looking good. Good job. Oh, and the intake is cold from the air/fuel mixture.

  • @billcotton1551
    @billcotton1551 5 лет назад

    It looks great! Industrial cool.

  • @thebreatheeasy
    @thebreatheeasy 5 лет назад

    I love the way you are learning as you go man feel like I am building it with you

  • @sumofl
    @sumofl 5 лет назад +8

    the magneto probably is causing the audio pops, there are a few aircraft articles(EAA) on adding shielding and reducing noise with filters on the ignition wires

  • @mikeymike3240
    @mikeymike3240 5 лет назад

    Hi shadetree, what's a, yeti nother episode, is this something new lol
    I think that manifold is a work of art and i love how the carb sticks out in the airflow to match the magneto thingy. ( that's a technical term) lol the wee yam looks freaking fantastic man.

  • @kikiaguilar2604
    @kikiaguilar2604 5 лет назад

    Dose look kool I dig it brings balance between both sides

  • @2laneblacktop943
    @2laneblacktop943 5 лет назад

    ST you have inadvertently created a cold air intake and with the carb and intake in the wind, keeps em cool !

  • @DonnyT744
    @DonnyT744 5 лет назад

    Dude, that is bad ass. I love it.

  • @mysterymacaroni
    @mysterymacaroni 5 лет назад

    Dude it just gets better every video. You gonna be a real motorcycle tech yet. Can't wait to see it at Barber

  • @nostrem82
    @nostrem82 5 лет назад

    Nice looks pretty sweet bike is coming along really well

  • @pattojumpship
    @pattojumpship 5 лет назад

    With the longer intake and one carb feeding what was a duel carb set up you'll be lacking fuel to air and a longer reaction time from throttle pull to air fuel reaching the engine. With the venturi effect on the intake it may be condensing fuel internally with the cooling effect. I had that problem on an intake I made for a Yam Vtwin, it used to ice up on the outside when it was blazing sun in the summer. For carb size I'd go to a VM38 and set up from there, you don't want to be running to lean with bad air fuel mix as you could overheat the engine and seize it up. Sweet looking ride though man.

  • @ykmalachi
    @ykmalachi 5 лет назад

    I had the same intake but on the left side. I ran a Mikuni and it worked great at highway speeds but low end it fell on its face for the first 10 minutes. I had basically the same running problem for a year or two.

  • @brycebuildsit
    @brycebuildsit 5 лет назад +14

    Supercharge it why not. Looks sweet with the air filter on one side

    • @HARMARSCH2
      @HARMARSCH2 5 лет назад +4

      There’s a idea Supercharger on it. Hell Yeah!!

  • @brycebuildsit
    @brycebuildsit 5 лет назад +3

    Oh by the way the reason the carb is cold is because carburetors use a venturi to suck fuel out of the float bowl long story short there is a drop in pressure and an increase in velocity of the air. With that drop in pressure comes a drop in temperature, most aircraft that are carbuerated have a carb heat knob that ducts hot air into the inlet because the water in the air will freez in the carb venturi if left unattended it will eventually block the inlet all together. Not really a problem on cars and bikes though.

  • @tonycarruthers9556
    @tonycarruthers9556 5 лет назад

    You need to do a plug chop ,accelerate hard to full speed when warmed up and cut the ignition with throttle closed,then take out your plugs, colour should be a light tan, lighter means your running a weak mixture which can hole pistons, blackish means your running rich which causes excessive carbon deposits by the sound of the engine its running weak wanting to stall when cold, i hope this helps by the way i had a 650 twin BSA which ran quite happily on one carb love your show by the way keep it up from a english weirdo.

  • @robertperry1780
    @robertperry1780 5 лет назад

    A bigger pilot jet yes. Idle screw adjusted. A main jet maybe. I don't know if you can adjust the height of the needle in that carb. But a bigger pilot jet and messing with the idle fuel mix screw will help with the cold performance.

  • @charliefarlie6469
    @charliefarlie6469 5 лет назад

    It’s a cool looking bike dude , you should be proud, I think it’s running too lean because the air is being rammed at it due to the carbs forward location as opposed to being behind the engine and sucking air in conventionally. Try a larger jet and put a vacuum gauge on it and check it once the engine is fully up to temperature but don’t keep running it until you know for sure otherwise you’ll have some very expensive holes in your pistons .

  • @williamsnyder9103
    @williamsnyder9103 5 лет назад

    Intake looks badass bro. The artwork on the cooler lid is straight out of The Louve...lol.

  • @rattlecan53
    @rattlecan53 5 лет назад

    Well, out of about 122 replies you got about 121 right answers. Jets are cheap, start out big (always better to be too rich than too lean) and work your way down. Plug color should be a nice coffee (with creamer!) color down in the plug ceramic. And yeah, mixture screws can be pretty sensitive when using that kind of setup. Start at two turns out and go from there. When you get to the point it's right, take it over to a dyno and they can tell exactly where you're at. We can also throw in on the Hall Brothers dyno at Barber in the race paddock and see how it's working after that long ride. See you soon!

  • @JHamm-zi4ux
    @JHamm-zi4ux 5 лет назад

    Bike is looking great that intake is frikin sweet can't wait to see the final result keep it up man

  • @fastback1245
    @fastback1245 5 лет назад

    I bought an SX 650 brand new from Yamaha in 1980 and it was a very cold blooded motorcycle I always had to warm it up on choke every time I used it

  • @rev1hard
    @rev1hard 5 лет назад

    it looks sick man, good job

  • @axa.axa.
    @axa.axa. 5 лет назад

    I agree the strange look it's pretty cool. Should have done the pipes with pie cuts thou.

  • @snodgerbill9111
    @snodgerbill9111 5 лет назад +7

    Up the jet size, don't ride it too much running that lean, it will hole the pistons. Check the plugs to see what colour they are to check how lean, how rich your running.

  • @chadvarnell1889
    @chadvarnell1889 5 лет назад

    Love the new intake set up! It is definitely a middle finger to the man!

  • @d-swank7599
    @d-swank7599 5 лет назад

    Latent heat of vaporization is why your intake and carb are cold and why it takes longer for it to behave. I run a tunnel ram on the street that acts the same way. And she’s probably running a little lean now too.

  • @kylefrye6265
    @kylefrye6265 5 лет назад

    Your carb also uses a ventury effect that sucks the fuel through an hour-glass shape that increases velocity and decreases pressure so you will have a temperature change in fuel/gas creating icing/cold issues especially at high altitudes, this is why pilots have a Carb heat switch to help prevent icing and engine cut out when climbing to high elevations.

  • @TechwheelswithPat
    @TechwheelswithPat 5 лет назад

    Good work it looks cool, ride safe.

  • @gerlandkent6377
    @gerlandkent6377 Год назад

    That bike sounds great

  • @CraigSmith568
    @CraigSmith568 5 лет назад +5

    Magneto on one side, carb on the other, and that big bug shifter knob. Cool stuff, but I think I would have a hard time riding it with those bars.

  • @billmassey2946
    @billmassey2946 5 лет назад

    Saw an old 750 Virago with a home made intake and a stock Sportster carb,It ran great!

  • @DustinAckerRealtor
    @DustinAckerRealtor 5 лет назад +1

    You might improve your situation by adding some back-pressure, ie some sort of muffler setup. If your dream bike has open pipes, OK then you need to jet the carbs accordingly. As this bike is a more style than performance machine, I would say add some sort of thumb-screw into the exhaust path as a compliment to a larger jet for both the idle circuit and the main jet. Love the content keep it up!

  • @kaseeds
    @kaseeds 5 лет назад

    Love it and Josh .... you have been very creative. . Good job my man

  • @timcoppinger1361
    @timcoppinger1361 5 лет назад +1

    I would have thought the main jet would need to be enlarged by about 25%. Worth a try. Or just raise the needle 1 notch. Nice bike.

  • @YarHarFD
    @YarHarFD Год назад

    It looks like a cyberpunk plasma cannon weapon slot 7 if ya know what I mean XD
    There's a few things going on which are making it run funny. For one, you just cut the fuel being delivered to your cylinders in half, so you'd need to adjust how much air and fuel the carb is delivering to your intake. It might be beyond what is "tunable" with that carb.
    Second, when you increase the distance that air has to travel to get into the cylinders it increases the velocity of the air, but it also makes the cylinder have to work harder to suck it in, kind of like breathing through a long tube. It moves the peak power higher in the rpm, so it will be boggy down low. You gain more horsepower up high though, as now the air is moving fast enough to keep up with the demand. It's a trade-off. A more aggressive cam shaft to change the timing of the strokes would also help tune it to the intake.

  • @jeffruebens8355
    @jeffruebens8355 5 лет назад

    Your booger farm instead of stack of dimes welding is funny. I would have a shop hook up an O2 sensor to check the air/fuel ratio and look for other gremlins.

  • @MrRogrod1
    @MrRogrod1 4 года назад

    Hey Bro how are you? I love all your vids, and I think your a real cool guy! You give me a lot of inspiration while im building my 1977 XS650 Chopper. Thank you and keep up the great videos...

  • @MrPerry61
    @MrPerry61 5 лет назад

    You've built...Frankenstein! It's alive!

  • @stevereinhart4067
    @stevereinhart4067 5 лет назад

    It looks so Shade Tree.🤜🤜🤜

  • @jay34ever54
    @jay34ever54 5 лет назад

    Cool ass intake... damn Barneys lol

  • @anthonysmalawipredators8794
    @anthonysmalawipredators8794 5 лет назад

    Ye ol' estwing will always do the trick!

  • @willmccargish945
    @willmccargish945 5 лет назад +3

    Once you're done building it, you should take it to get Dyno tuned, but if your switching out the carb, I wouldn't bother with a rejet. You should order a bigger carb, with a higher fuel rate

  • @randall1959
    @randall1959 5 лет назад

    It doesn't matter whether or not anyone else likes how it looks. It's what you see when you look at it that matters.

  • @JohnnyGadgets81
    @JohnnyGadgets81 5 лет назад +19

    Your only getting enough gas for one cylinder and trying to feed two with it. You should go with one big carb. Like a mikuni

    • @nakedbeachrider8798
      @nakedbeachrider8798 5 лет назад +2

      it should have a 41mm carb on a sixfiddy

    • @theaidenman
      @theaidenman 5 лет назад +1

      He was looking a letron in last episode

    • @Elvirth24
      @Elvirth24 5 лет назад

      @@nakedbeachrider8798 Not necessarily. Harleys with bigger displacements than that run off a CV40, which is 40mm. My 750 Virago with conversion manifold has one and it just needed some slightly bigger jets. Airflow certainly shouldn't be the issue.

  • @morenojc71
    @morenojc71 5 лет назад

    That looks dope dude!

  • @robbiegirosky7055
    @robbiegirosky7055 5 лет назад

    Had same issues I ditched it. Its for sale on cl now. Tried 3 carbs vm34,36,and 38 with a series of jets and needle adjustments. No fix

  • @vincentvelazquez6001
    @vincentvelazquez6001 5 лет назад

    Josh your bike has got a terrific bad ass look with this 2 in 1 intake,but it seems that it needs more fuel to run properly ,may be bigger jets or bigger carb.Anyway good job ,you are reaching the end!French Triumph biker.

  • @Ed.Johnson
    @Ed.Johnson 5 лет назад

    You are having way too much fun with that. Time to put the fxr back to stock.

  • @geryp9870
    @geryp9870 5 лет назад

    crazy chopper:) and I like it:)

  • @williamandaudreymenjivar85
    @williamandaudreymenjivar85 4 года назад +1

    Looks awesome!

  • @patrickhatrick6215
    @patrickhatrick6215 5 лет назад

    This bike sick!!!! Just keeps getting wilder lol I love it, still hate those bars lol PEACE!!!!!

  • @403punk3
    @403punk3 5 лет назад

    It’s so killer, really love following your build brah!

  • @ejdtm
    @ejdtm 5 лет назад

    I’m Diggin the Xanadu mechanic music

  • @sajo6900
    @sajo6900 5 лет назад

    Indian Larry would use something like that, very cool !
    great lookin bike for sure !

  • @Bando909
    @Bando909 5 лет назад

    Yeah a lot of people already said it, but its starving for fuel. Causes rough idle and lack of acceleration. Bigger jets wouldn't hurt but if your going to the electron carb anyway you could probably adjust the fuel and idle screws on the carburetor to add more fuel into the intake and let the bike idle easier and take off smoother. Small adjustments are key, 1/8th of turns can do a whole lot.

  • @randybaca6132
    @randybaca6132 Год назад

    Sweet.just.little
    Fine.tunning.good
    Job

  • @justinhamilton9
    @justinhamilton9 5 лет назад

    2 34mm carbs - 1 34mm carb = get a bigger carb brother. Maybe find a cheap stock Sportster carb until you get a lectron. I run a 34mm throttle body on a built Grom at 6000 ft elevation, for reference. That 650 needs fuel man. The chopper is coming along dope though dude!
    Made it to the end just to edit lol 😂,
    It's cold from fuel atomization, I had a stromburg on a hotrod that would freeze over I'm cool weather. Now that the heads aren't heating up your carbs the fuel mist will make everything cold. Good for power and efficiency.

  • @michelbrisebois4317
    @michelbrisebois4317 5 лет назад

    Great, I trust you will be able to fine tune the carb. BTW, I love the "The next day" sound effect.

  • @robertlogan9682
    @robertlogan9682 5 лет назад

    IMO it looks more like an old school chopper every time you add something to it. I love the look of the 2 into 1.

  • @cruiserbrewser
    @cruiserbrewser 5 лет назад +2

    You’ll need a bigger idle jet and tune your A/F mixture screw. Taking one carb away your bike is getting half the fuel it needs now. A little carb re jetting and tuning will smooth it right out.

  • @hautanenbrad4078
    @hautanenbrad4078 5 лет назад

    lookin good i like it, you prob will need a bigger carb going down to 1 i dont think you will get enough from just a bigger jet, i could be wrong but start with whats cheapist first. keep on keepin it real

  • @Vidar.m
    @Vidar.m 5 лет назад

    Dude it looks wicked