This episode is amazing. Give perspective to how things have changed over the last 30 years. When a guy like Marc from a town of 1309 people can create the internet (read browser), it gives motivation that we can make it big too.
Great walk back to those days Marc. I still remember advance teams at EDS running us through our first Mosaic experience. Definitely much more pleasing than a Lynx browser but confused the hell out of the other side of the group attempting to pitch AOL an outsourcing deal. Then you and JC making the connection that made it all so, changing the course of tech at the crucial point in which the core components to drive mass adoption were laid in place. The first meeting with Mosaic Communications days after you moved into the first office on the 6th floor of a building in downtown Mountain View. You and Ben are now practically obliged to tell part 2. Preparing the popcorn now.
Super inspirational and a stark reminder... If you get involved with something unique and master it like playing a classical piece on the piano nobody can touch you. Any established players related to it are too afraid, invested, and distracted by what side of their bread is being buttered to even appreciate some new classical music.
Would love to hear more stories from Marc. If the editor could also pull up some additional media that would be a nice touch. News paper articles, old photos of Marc etc.
Part 2 please Netscape. I remember buying a disk from JR in New York with the Netscape software. I have always been just a dopy user. About a week later I found out you could just download it for free.
I started my Web business in April of 1994, so I remember all of this. Two points. First, AOL did not give Web access to its users until *August 1995* which was killing me. Plus that was when Windows 95 finally came out, the first version that had native Internet protocols installed. Second, the triumph of the Internet architecture was predicted by Hal Varian (later chief economist at Google) in a working paper where he and his co-author saw that packet-switching costs were going down because of Moore's Law, but circuit switching did not benefit nearly as much. So it was just a matter of time before all the existing closed networks all failed. Finally, if you go on to talk about Netscape, you'll have to get into what a crappy server you guys produced.
The web server got better! Pretty quickly, too. By some measure that software addressed the fastest changing industry up to that time (certainly, if you exclude world war time industrial development)
That's the joke of all these 'xyz people who code' groups. Technology has no barriers to entry and is the great equalizer. No one is being discriminated against. Web info is free, PCs cost almost nothing, YT and twitch distribution is free. All it takes is an insane amount of focus and will/desire to do hard work.
Thanks guys for sharing this, I desperately have been looking for this story for 15 years. I am a serial entrepreneur from India, drinking the silicon valley cool aid ever since Mark Zuckerberg rejected the $B acquisition by Yahoo in 2007. Would really want to learn from fighting Microsoft as a startup and the early IPO etc. Please please share!
Marc -the arpanet was already avalable via machine hosts (at universities) connected together, etc. by 1984. Stanford was aleady handing out email adresses to many students even then. Not disagreeing with anything you are saying - just the predecessor already existed, people were telneting into machines across the country (sometimes causing havoc), ftp'ing files, etc. The browser was the great unifier for so much of this space.
i've been looking yearly on amazon for a biography of Marc Andreessen and i'm always sad that he doesn't have one. all interesting and's / or successful people should have one so we can learn their story and be inspired by it. please marc, if you read comments, have someone write your biography.
Shout out to all of the 1989 Snyder Hall guys at U of I - wild story re the actions by the University - they messed up big time - congrats to Marc for all of his success
View source was everything. Also loved dropping everything into dreamweaver. Goofy me thought everyone knew html, Java and c++ 20 or so years ago just because all my friends on mirc did. I should have gone into tech. Seriously thought it was no deal because of how easy it all was to learn😂. Now I wonder who uploaded the firat dreamweaver to a ftp server just for me to download. Anyone remember how much access you'd have to data just by putting ftp infront of an address? Or guessing indexes?😂 fun times.
to the first point about founders and silver spoons, this is something that bothers me. i haven't yet read or heard of a founder that didn't have good parents (at least one). many founders had the money and stability and connections that come with that, too. but can anyone find a successful american founder who did not have a good parent or mentor?
It’s literally the opposite and that’s their point. Remember this is tech, there are many other industries. Marc didn’t have a silver spoon for example.
The "experts are wrong" reminds me of near universal dismissal of crypto....and yet I'm still largely dismissive of crypto. Guess we'll see in time real use cases
Can I just say, Emerald mines, or gem mines in general, are absolutely horrible businesses. If you look at how they operate it's terrible business to be in.
@@Eggs-n-Jakey JC: How do you handle fear? EM: Company death - not succeeding with the company - causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I’ve been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I’ve not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s - which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.”
Take care Tiff. I could swear you were giving out financial advice/opinions... Some might even go so far as to think you may have a pretty blatant conflict of interest... Just saying - with a pinch of cringe...
Marc’s story is particularly inspiring and deserves a biopic! His story has a happy ending and it’s not yet over!
really? bullied nerd wages socio-technological war against the unthinking masses who once shunned him as a kid? happy ending for whom
Definitely want the Netscape story!! The full story, pretty please!
Great episode! Please do a part 2 to cover Netscape
Yes, Please tell your Netscape story! Then LoudCloud, too!
Amazing story! Please do another episode on the Netscape story that Ben teased at the end.
Amazing to hear the incredible startup story of Netscape... and from the man himself!
Guys I miss you so much. I'm so happy today can't wait to listen to the content
I want to hear the the part 2 of the Netscape story from Marc's point of view. I've already heard from all the key devs at Netscape.
This was great! We want Netscape story
Looking forward to Pt.2 on Netscape!
This episode is amazing. Give perspective to how things have changed over the last 30 years. When a guy like Marc from a town of 1309 people can create the internet (read browser), it gives motivation that we can make it big too.
Absolutely want to hear the Netscape story!
Give us the Netscape story!!! Great episode
Great walk back to those days Marc. I still remember advance teams at EDS running us through our first Mosaic experience. Definitely much more pleasing than a Lynx browser but confused the hell out of the other side of the group attempting to pitch AOL an outsourcing deal. Then you and JC making the connection that made it all so, changing the course of tech at the crucial point in which the core components to drive mass adoption were laid in place. The first meeting with Mosaic Communications days after you moved into the first office on the 6th floor of a building in downtown Mountain View.
You and Ben are now practically obliged to tell part 2. Preparing the popcorn now.
Super inspirational and a stark reminder... If you get involved with something unique and master it like playing a classical piece on the piano nobody can touch you. Any established players related to it are too afraid, invested, and distracted by what side of their bread is being buttered to even appreciate some new classical music.
Really good to hear the early 90s stuff back again. I remember being the first kid at school with Mosaic on my PC!
This story should be turned into a series for streaming.
That was such a let down when I realized you're not gonna tell netscape story. You have to do part 2 I'm begging you.
Please do a second part, It will be awsome to know more about ben and marc professional relathionship in those days.
💯 DEFINITELY would listen and "like" the Netscape story... And Ben's first Rap concert (purposefully not using the term hip-hop 😆)
Amazing episode! Would love to hear the story about Netscape!!!
Would love to hear more stories from Marc. If the editor could also pull up some additional media that would be a nice touch. News paper articles, old photos of Marc etc.
Also I think this so great to discuss Netscape as personal ai agent will give rise to the network agents. Thank you much
Yes please re Netscape story too:)
Historical insights, quite literally. Love it.
I wish the sound could be better.
Fascinating podcast, from start to finish. Yes, as others have urged, please do a Netscape followup.
Would love to hear the Netscape story.
Part 2 please Netscape. I remember buying a disk from JR in New York with the Netscape software. I have always been just a dopy user. About a week later I found out you could just download it for free.
The show has been popping off lately!
WE WANT TO HEAR THE NETSCAPE STORY!
Really enjoyed all of this! Would love to hear the Netscape story.
netscape story please!!!
this was fantastic, and yes we need to hear more about Netscape
awesome story, thanks for documenting it, one vote for a Netscape part 2
MS and Netscape story! Lets goooooo
Definitely want to hear the netscape story.
Really enjoyable episodes. Always some food for thought. Kudos!
It's incredible that this is free
I learn so much from these guys it’s unbelievable 💸
we need part 2 Netscape story competitiing with microsoft
This was gold ❤kind of National Geographic or history channel episode of computing
I started my Web business in April of 1994, so I remember all of this. Two points. First, AOL did not give Web access to its users until *August 1995* which was killing me. Plus that was when Windows 95 finally came out, the first version that had native Internet protocols installed. Second, the triumph of the Internet architecture was predicted by Hal Varian (later chief economist at Google) in a working paper where he and his co-author saw that packet-switching costs were going down because of Moore's Law, but circuit switching did not benefit nearly as much. So it was just a matter of time before all the existing closed networks all failed. Finally, if you go on to talk about Netscape, you'll have to get into what a crappy server you guys produced.
The web server got better! Pretty quickly, too. By some measure that software addressed the fastest changing industry up to that time (certainly, if you exclude world war time industrial development)
That's the joke of all these 'xyz people who code' groups. Technology has no barriers to entry and is the great equalizer. No one is being discriminated against. Web info is free, PCs cost almost nothing, YT and twitch distribution is free. All it takes is an insane amount of focus and will/desire to do hard work.
I'm only 2/3rds through this, but I need a miniseries. This is an incredible life story.
University of Illinois's finest !
Thanks guys for sharing this, I desperately have been looking for this story for 15 years. I am a serial entrepreneur from India, drinking the silicon valley cool aid ever since Mark Zuckerberg rejected the $B acquisition by Yahoo in 2007. Would really want to learn from fighting Microsoft as a startup and the early IPO etc. Please please share!
Marc deserves a Nobel. The interconnection of humans via internet is one of the best things that happened to us in the last century.
Loved it Marc, elucidated that part of web history so well !!!
Thanks for sharing! It was fun to browse the code on github while listening.
Thanks for sharing! It was fun to browse the code on while listening
Marc -the arpanet was already avalable via machine hosts (at universities) connected together, etc. by 1984. Stanford was aleady handing out email adresses to many students even then.
Not disagreeing with anything you are saying - just the predecessor already existed, people were telneting into machines across the country (sometimes causing havoc), ftp'ing files, etc. The browser was the great unifier for so much of this space.
Great Interview!!
Please more like this. It was so good to listen to
Give us the netscape story!!!!
Everyone should learn and be inspired by your story
Yes. Keep going!
I remember using Netscape! :)
Marc you should totally write a book, this is history here
Redshorts represents Crypto.
That’s my elevator pitch, 100% owner and not in dept. Nice to meet you!
Marc... You should invite Dr Jim Clarke in your podcast
Yes! Netscape part2 pretty please!
The University of Illinois system has $3 billion in endowment. They could have doubled that if they settled with Netscape. Crazy.
Wow! What a great story!
that Nick Land Hyperstition reference being at the center of Marc's work is priceless
i've been looking yearly on amazon for a biography of Marc Andreessen and i'm always sad that he doesn't have one. all interesting and's / or successful people should have one so we can learn their story and be inspired by it. please marc, if you read comments, have someone write your biography.
Great episode, great history!
Was Bezos aware of the little bookstore that was doing e-commerce when he started Amazon?
That was greatttttt
Netscape story would be great Ben. Thank you Marc for the climax with Microsoft.
Cool show. Why not do a story about the real history of online videos? I pioneered it back in the nineties, but most people don't know the real story.
Interesting!.
Shout out to all of the 1989 Snyder Hall guys at U of I - wild story re the actions by the University - they messed up big time - congrats to Marc for all of his success
View source was everything. Also loved dropping everything into dreamweaver. Goofy me thought everyone knew html, Java and c++ 20 or so years ago just because all my friends on mirc did. I should have gone into tech. Seriously thought it was no deal because of how easy it all was to learn😂. Now I wonder who uploaded the firat dreamweaver to a ftp server just for me to download. Anyone remember how much access you'd have to data just by putting ftp infront of an address? Or guessing indexes?😂 fun times.
Jeez I'm old😂 had to go look up when dreamweaver dropped. I was 14. Sorry about the hundreds of nonsense websites I built with anglefire serverspace😂
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This episode should have been called "Corn, Cows and Computers"
From cassette tapes to the cloud ✌️
Sup Marc and Ben
cool story bro
The urge to be first…
1:05:10 ?
Nice ending! 😅
It's what you don't call Netscape anymore, after Bill Gates squashed it, and AOL bailed them out...😅
MoMa museum was founded by John D. Rockefeller Jr Wife
Roosevelt Sr. Founded The American Natural History Museum
epic
to the first point about founders and silver spoons, this is something that bothers me. i haven't yet read or heard of a founder that didn't have good parents (at least one). many founders had the money and stability and connections that come with that, too. but can anyone find a successful american founder who did not have a good parent or mentor?
Nature varies and selects.
shh dont speak the truth bro..
It’s literally the opposite and that’s their point. Remember this is tech, there are many other industries. Marc didn’t have a silver spoon for example.
I encourage you to keep reading, there are so many… from Rockefeller to Larry Ellison, and many more
Netscape Everywhere Team, Fight!
marc really likes saying "uh, you know" LOL
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The "experts are wrong" reminds me of near universal dismissal of crypto....and yet I'm still largely dismissive of crypto. Guess we'll see in time real use cases
👍🏿
oh look, its pmarca
I am convinced that half of the comments are from bots/ai, I know that sounds crazy...but why does it sound crazy? Great episode lol
Can I just say, Emerald mines, or gem mines in general, are absolutely horrible businesses. If you look at how they operate it's terrible business to be in.
on paper yes... but in the black market.. they make you millions...
sorry but elon's father literally owned an emerald mine... like there is literal proof?
Link the proof so we can debate it
@@Eggs-n-Jakey
JC: How do you handle fear?
EM: Company death - not succeeding with the company - causes me a lot more stress than physical danger. But I’ve been in physical danger before. The funny thing is I’ve not actually been that nervous. In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s - which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.”
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 who is JC? jesus? do you have a link?
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 that's not a link that's copy/pasta from some resource
Take care Tiff. I could swear you were giving out financial advice/opinions...
Some might even go so far as to think you may have a pretty blatant conflict of interest...
Just saying - with a pinch of cringe...
Marc begins with the Joe Biden defense…
Musks best pal.... a couple of creeps