Kahler: The Worlds Most Hated Tremolo

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @georgebluestorm2439
    @georgebluestorm2439 4 года назад +2536

    You forgot to mention that they are the only brand that makes tremolo bridges for basses

    • @ants621
      @ants621 4 года назад +280

      Wait, so us bassists can get a bridge with a tremolo?! I'M SOLD!

    • @tzctlpc
      @tzctlpc 4 года назад +83

      Ritter makes bass tremolos

    • @ants621
      @ants621 4 года назад +56

      @@tzctlpc Hmm, well, I got one more brand to consider!

    • @bernardi5919
      @bernardi5919 4 года назад +65

      So does Hipshot

    • @DerAykac
      @DerAykac 4 года назад +53

      I allready have problems with playing bass like a guitar, and now this....

  • @sixsix8six
    @sixsix8six 4 года назад +2844

    when you paused after saying "it can cause your solos to just become . . ." I audibly said, "Say it. Say Kerry King."
    ". . .Kerry King solos."

  • @scottyowen5300
    @scottyowen5300 2 года назад +191

    I have used Kahlers since the 80's and love them! They are extremly versitile and have tones of adjustments to fit your guitar. They require minimal routing - no cavities through your guitar - and you don't have to cut off the end of your strings, simply drop them into the saddles. You simply need to understand how to adjust and maintain them. This is where people get messed up as most don't take the time to learn all of the adjustments and maintanence procedures. There is a 3 part video from Kahler on RUclips that will help you learn all you need to know.

    • @guntherabrahamowicz4659
      @guntherabrahamowicz4659 2 года назад +11

      Similar to the Gibson Robot Tuners, to be honest. They worked great if people took the 15 minutes to read the manual, but too many were too lazy to do so.

    • @DRock1779
      @DRock1779 Год назад +1

      ​@daronbrown8076that's so strange as I find my Kahler to have more sustain actually. Wonder if that's a difference in block/saddles

    • @tonyv5202
      @tonyv5202 Год назад

      ​@@DRock1779the ones I used back in the day never stayed in tune for long. A Hamer V I had, liked to break strings during gigs and the guitars they were in seemed to be heavy boat anchors too so I have up on them. I had most success with the early Ibanez edge. Stayed in tune for a whole gig under extreme abuse. Later models never seemed as good though the new reissues on the Genesis models seem pretty good.

    • @kodas3366
      @kodas3366 Год назад +1

      Agree, I use a kahler 2200 pro model installed on a Gibson les Paul studio, and I honestly prefer it to the Floyd on my prs custom 24. Another thing often overlooked is the kahler can be adjusted to match the guitar’s radius..the Floyd cannot. Sure, it costs more(I paid around $450 or so for the pro bridge & necessary accessories), but the system really is solid.

  • @centurionmusic11
    @centurionmusic11 4 года назад +712

    About the nut: this is exactly why Jerry Cantrell uses a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Might need to look into trying one now. Great video dude!

    • @higler.
      @higler. 4 года назад +33

      Yep same with the guys from Slayer since the early 90's.

    • @joshshultz1250
      @joshshultz1250 4 года назад +8

      @@higler. same as this guy in the video

    • @michaelcarey9359
      @michaelcarey9359 4 года назад +11

      Chuck the locking nutz. This is the next millennium. We use locking tuners these days... still a locking point, so still a 2 point locking trem.

    • @higler.
      @higler. 4 года назад +35

      ​@@michaelcarey9359 if you're happy with that, have at it. No comparison though to a locking nut in terms of tuning stability.

    • @jubjub905
      @jubjub905 4 года назад +15

      @@michaelcarey9359 not quite. Thats more equivalent to a behind the nut clamp.

  • @Yet_another_placeholder
    @Yet_another_placeholder 4 года назад +1730

    So you're saying it's like a Floyd Rose, except it fixes literally everything I dislike about Floyd Roses? I would definitely try one out, then

    • @juanvaldez5422
      @juanvaldez5422 4 года назад +58

      They are good. Better than a Floyd.

    • @chrislawrence6609
      @chrislawrence6609 4 года назад +91

      Damn this thing really does seem to fix all floyd rose issues. Can't believe they aren't more popular

    • @scottsteel4230
      @scottsteel4230 4 года назад +7

      Try one, you'll like it.

    • @pollinirr
      @pollinirr 4 года назад +80

      It's not like a Floyd Rose. It's like a high-precision version of a Jazzmaster vibrato with micro tunning.

    • @babyyoda2190
      @babyyoda2190 4 года назад +7

      I have these and they’re the best

  • @docbutcher58
    @docbutcher58 3 года назад +544

    I love my Kahler equipped guitars! I’ve even converted a hard tail guitar to a Kahler. They’re just so solid!

    • @TVoltG
      @TVoltG 3 года назад +9

      I like how they add a little more low end to the sounds as well. I love these trems.

    • @PickettMusic
      @PickettMusic 2 года назад +16

      Keeps more wood around the bridge and creates better tone. Love Kahler.

    • @dogslobbergardens6606
      @dogslobbergardens6606 2 года назад +8

      @@PickettMusic that, and even when I'm not actually using the bar, I love my Kahler because it's just not in the way, and the fine-tuners are easy to use quickly. Floyds have always felt awkward as hell to me.
      If you want to put one on a Gibson style guitar, they're also a lot easier to install with much less routing. The correct models are designed to go right where the original bridge posts were to begin with. With a Floyd you have a lot more work to do to put it on a Les Paul, Explorer, SG, etc.
      Gibson made a number of guitars with factory-installed Kahlers in the 80s; that's how I got turned onto them in the first place. Mine is an '84 Explorer that I bought used in '89 or '90, and I still have it after all these years.

    • @PickettMusic
      @PickettMusic 2 года назад +3

      @@dogslobbergardens6606 Agreed all around.

    • @bobby1970
      @bobby1970 2 года назад +3

      I wonder if it's possible to convert from a Floyd Rose to a Kahler?

  • @luvsic35
    @luvsic35 4 года назад +467

    Not the video we wanted, but the one we needed

    • @HeathenwoodOfficial
      @HeathenwoodOfficial 4 года назад +4

      And the one the company needed.

    • @b.scottfarthingsworth
      @b.scottfarthingsworth 4 года назад

      Floyds are for the Men.
      Kahlers are for the other 63 genders.
      Sorry, MAN UP.

    • @luvsic35
      @luvsic35 4 года назад

      @@b.scottfarthingsworth AGREEEEEED

    • @lucagennarelli8805
      @lucagennarelli8805 3 года назад +4

      @@b.scottfarthingsworth okay wrongface

    • @ProfessorGroyper
      @ProfessorGroyper 3 месяца назад

      @@b.scottfarthingsworth um.... there are infinite genders you bigot.

  • @BadgerVito
    @BadgerVito 3 года назад +351

    My high school guitar teacher (in the late 80s) won a nationwide competition sponsored by Kahler for playing with a whammy bar - they ended up putting a thin plastic record with the track into Guitar Player magazine, and if memory serves it was judged by Steve Vai and Steve Morse. Not surprisingly, he actually played it on a Floyd Rose.

  • @MisterTotality
    @MisterTotality 3 года назад +276

    Jerry Cantrell's use of Kahler trems made me want to try them out. These days, I usually prefer fixed bridge guitars, and my favorite trem system is the Bigsby!

    • @daleyoung87
      @daleyoung87 3 года назад +18

      They look cool, but they are horrible.

    • @JonsterTheBondster
      @JonsterTheBondster 3 года назад +3

      Go with Bigsby B7 USA Tailpiece or Floyd Rose FRX. Those are two rock solid bridges :)

    • @potatoheadhaoy
      @potatoheadhaoy 3 года назад +4

      @@daleyoung87
      Neil Young would like to have a word with you.

    • @christebo7305
      @christebo7305 2 года назад +4

      @@daleyoung87 no definitively wrong, user error not the bridge. You crack me up 😆

    • @christebo7305
      @christebo7305 2 года назад +9

      @@JonsterTheBondster the FRX... the only other bridge to prove that Kahler was correct all along but priced even higher.

  • @flyingmanforfun
    @flyingmanforfun 4 года назад +239

    I have a khaler in my markline, the fact that you can lock the bridge really helps when changing strings

    • @bobhoener2715
      @bobhoener2715 4 года назад +7

      I have a khaler in my 80's koa wood bc rich.... wouldn't trade it for the world...ur right though, if it was on a non professional axe, story would be different

    • @michaelcottle6270
      @michaelcottle6270 4 года назад

      Good tip, I just change each string and roughly tune until all six are switched over to keep it balanced.

    • @lgv3051
      @lgv3051 3 года назад +1

      Changing on any trem system is super easy to tune if you just do one string at a time. The thing that can really suck is when you break a string while on stage. Better have another guitar ready to go. No one wants to wait for you to pull out your little wrench and not loose that impossibly small little impossibly dark black cube....... Floyd players, you know what I'm talking about

  • @DavidDiMuzio
    @DavidDiMuzio 3 года назад +724

    Thanks for the great information! I just bought a guitar with a Kahler. The string info in particular was really helpful.

    • @floopusdoopus
      @floopusdoopus 3 года назад +3

      Does it stay in tune well?

    • @connordrysdale5333
      @connordrysdale5333 3 года назад +28

      @@floopusdoopus replace the kahler nut with a floyd one and it’ll stay in tune forever lol

    • @arbazann
      @arbazann 3 года назад +21

      you should start making guitar pickups

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 3 года назад +4

      @@connordrysdale5333
      A well cut Graphtech nut and locking tuners works fine for me, even with the less than perfect string angle of the Jackson/Charvel headstock.

    • @Mad_Axe_Man125
      @Mad_Axe_Man125 2 года назад +2

      @@floopusdoopus use elixir strings or any high end strings..GHS and ernie ball wont cut it

  • @ryanlandes6849
    @ryanlandes6849 3 года назад +30

    When I played allot of shows, I didn't have a guitar tech. For me, the Kahler was way better then the FR.. Faster string changing, and break in was as good as a fixed bridge.. I put fresh strings on before almost every show. I never had a problem with it staying in tune, and going to drop D during the set was a breeze. It was great for me.

  • @crab_mp4765
    @crab_mp4765 3 года назад +550

    There’s no one you can trust more than a European with long hair when it comes to guitars

    • @carlgustavjung1654
      @carlgustavjung1654 3 года назад +11

      He’s Irish...

    • @thevoidking4990
      @thevoidking4990 3 года назад +122

      @@carlgustavjung1654 And I ask you this, which continent is Ireland located in?

    • @ilhamakbar5482
      @ilhamakbar5482 3 года назад +14

      @@carlgustavjung1654 ireland is not a part of europe?

    • @CUTIE_POXX
      @CUTIE_POXX 3 года назад +41

      @@carlgustavjung1654 Ireland is part of the EU

    • @SwordOfHeimdall
      @SwordOfHeimdall 3 года назад +74

      @@CUTIE_POXX and famously, geographically, in Europe

  • @borz666
    @borz666 4 года назад +61

    Other benefits to the Kahler: You can rest your palm on the bridge and it wont push it out of tune. When you pull up on the bar it wont choke off on the frets because the bridge remains at a fixed height unlike a floyd.

    • @JethroBoDean
      @JethroBoDean 4 года назад +9

      That was a question I had thanks for pointing that out

    • @lgv3051
      @lgv3051 3 года назад +9

      Those are 2 huge important points.

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 3 года назад +7

      Kahlers: "What if an expert engineer designed a Jazzmaster trem?"

    • @308dude
      @308dude 2 года назад +3

      Not only can you aggressively palm mute or lay your hand firmly on it without it going sharp like a floating Floyd, but it goes much less flat during aggressive double stop bends. And, the fixed string height you mentioned during pull-ups also means the string height doesn't *increase* during dive bombs, causing a change of tone and loss of output.

  • @aylanicole777
    @aylanicole777 2 года назад +14

    Been wanting a Kahler for years ever since being into Steve Clark. Played one on an 80’s Explorer E2. I love the springy response and the way they look! I’ve been a Bigsby player for years, and that has suited me fine as I rarely do dive bombs or other tremolo tricks. Yet the desire to own at least one Kahler sticks with me! Great video thanks for the information.

  • @ChrisFineganTunes
    @ChrisFineganTunes 4 года назад +514

    Drinking game: take a shot every time the subtitles spell 'Kahler' a different way.

    • @TheVengeanceofdefile
      @TheVengeanceofdefile 3 года назад +2

      My dude this true we tried 🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿

    • @ChrisFineganTunes
      @ChrisFineganTunes 3 года назад

      @@TheVengeanceofdefile ☠️☠️☠️

    • @jazzram_
      @jazzram_ 3 года назад +14

      Kahler
      Killer
      Kaler
      Khaler
      Kalir
      bruh i wont finsh all

    • @boblazar316
      @boblazar316 3 года назад +4

      Drinking sucks smoke a bong bowl every time and be nice and toasty instead

    • @redram5150
      @redram5150 3 года назад

      “Ga-tar noowt”

  • @KibbyCreekwood
    @KibbyCreekwood 3 года назад +426

    This is your first video I've ever seen, and I gotta say, the stark contrast between that face melting solo at the start and your kind, soft-spoken voice was amazing. I love it lmao

    • @ferlez2370
      @ferlez2370 3 года назад +17

      That's the case with metal guys for the most part, nicest people in the world!

    • @chrisdude5150
      @chrisdude5150 3 года назад +9

      Ha me too went from orc to elf

    • @dominiccampbell7227
      @dominiccampbell7227 3 года назад +7

      reminds me of my sisters boyfriend evan. he's really good at guitar and loves his floyd (doesnt over use it though, only uses it when needs to) but he is a very nice guy, most metalheads are like that, or they have big arms and large beards and big fighters.

  • @notrightnow3995
    @notrightnow3995 3 года назад +20

    The Kahler fixed with behind the nut lock is my preferred bridge. The brass rollers don’t chew up my hands and the tuning stability is spot on. I don’t know if they’re made anymore, but there was a floating system that could be placed on the existing tune-o-matic studs with little or no routing. I loved that thing.

    • @ringoflatts6571
      @ringoflatts6571 Год назад +2

      They still make a Kahler for tuneomatics, but I’m pretty sure you still have to route it out

    • @inflameswetrust2194
      @inflameswetrust2194 3 месяца назад +1

      Floyd rose makes a tuneomatic tremelo bridge. Zero routing, but it does look kinda gaudy. It's called FRX

  • @TheGazza83
    @TheGazza83 4 года назад +414

    Dime on Kahlers: "too smooth dude".

    • @artreid6616
      @artreid6616 4 года назад +33

      Rick Rozz of Death and Massacre says the same, too wimpy. I like the smooth action personally.

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion 4 года назад +39

      He meant it as they're not a big chunk on the guitar that you can feel where the hand is better in hectic situations like jumping around on stage. The kahler is hard to bring the hand back to perfect palm chunk spot if not super familiar with kahlers.

    • @velizarzhelev6552
      @velizarzhelev6552 4 года назад +6

      Wait did he actually say that

    • @danielschmidtke9213
      @danielschmidtke9213 4 года назад +6

      @@velizarzhelev6552 yes he did

    • @c.f.pedraza4057
      @c.f.pedraza4057 4 года назад +7

      @@infinidominion makes tons of sense. I just never had an opportunity to try one personally. Once I figured out how to work my way around a Floyd and change strings in 10 minutes on one, I never wanted to try one.

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 3 года назад +126

    Never tried a kahler. I like that there's so little work involved in replacing strings compared to floyds.

    • @BillDerBerg
      @BillDerBerg 3 года назад +2

      But the windings at the end of plain strings tend to unravel with a Kahler

    • @christebo7305
      @christebo7305 2 года назад +8

      @John J. Sanchez I have actually never had this problem. I thought about doing this solder thing but haven't had the string problems everyone talks about. I do change my strings after 40 to 50 hours use, though.

    • @dogslobbergardens6606
      @dogslobbergardens6606 2 года назад +2

      @@christebo7305 exactly, if you're playing a lot, especially playing out a lot and you sweat all over them, you should change your strings every week or two regardless. When I was playing in bands I'd ALWAYS change strings Wednesday or Thursday, we'd rehearse Thursday night, and I'd be good to go for Fri and Sat night gigs. By Tuesday night rehearsal I could tell they were getting nasty.
      People get used to playing dead, dirty strings, often because they're just lazy, and that's a shame. Fresh strings sound so much better.
      I play pretty hard on all my guitars, trem or otherwise, and I VERY rarely break strings. If you're breaking a lot of strings either you have some kind of burr on the bridge somewhere, the nut isn't set up right, or you're just trying to use the same ones too long.

    • @corneliuscrewe677
      @corneliuscrewe677 2 года назад +2

      @@BillDerBerg Had several guitars over the last 30 years with Kahlers, never once ever encountered this problem, and I leave strings on forever.

    • @BillDerBerg
      @BillDerBerg 2 года назад +1

      @@corneliuscrewe677 glad you never experienced it but strings unraveling was such an issue with Kahler flat mount bridges Ernie Ball created an RPS reinforced string set especially for those bridges

  • @ClearAdventure
    @ClearAdventure 2 года назад +3

    I had a Kahler Pro in the 80's and it was my favorite trem I have ever had! Looking for one now, that's how I found your video. Great job!

  • @coryrabbit
    @coryrabbit 4 года назад +366

    I had never even heard of Khaler. They seem like they fix everything I don't like about my Floyds.

    • @peenwienerstein2
      @peenwienerstein2 3 года назад +15

      They really, really don't lol

    • @白猫酱
      @白猫酱 3 года назад +7

      You'll try out one then realize they really don't

    • @Gr-Ra5
      @Gr-Ra5 3 года назад +8

      Just use one.
      The action is so alien, you don't feel "connected" to it in the way a pivot trem works.
      The Kahler is really an updated Bigsby, and just about works in that application.
      The hugely over-priced aspect is just the icing.

    • @jefflitchfield4950
      @jefflitchfield4950 3 года назад +3

      If palm muting is an issue, yes they do fix that.

    • @jefflitchfield4950
      @jefflitchfield4950 3 года назад +4

      @@Gr-Ra5 you couldn't be more wrong

  • @lynfastlynfast6706
    @lynfastlynfast6706 4 года назад +459

    Most peoole who "hate" Kahler havent even tried them...

    • @dylandoge1627
      @dylandoge1627 4 года назад +19

      A kahler is like the jazzmaster trem slightly less bad

    • @MageroSTC
      @MageroSTC 4 года назад +14

      No, I had an Agile 8 with a Kahler Trem and it was pretty damned frustrating. My tech hated having to set it up and was grateful when I finally bought an Ibby Prestige with an Edge trem instead.

    • @lynfastlynfast6706
      @lynfastlynfast6706 4 года назад +9

      @@MageroSTC Well I have a US made kahler on a 6 string and stays tune and setup well. Not really needed to setup it at all myself much. Tho the guitar itself is also very stable (not really needed much adjustments at all, 2008 made custom guitar). So totally different experience.

    • @HenritheHorse
      @HenritheHorse 4 года назад +27

      @@MageroSTC Agiles are pretty low end and any floating bridge on a 8-string is gonna be hard to keep in tune.

    • @MageroSTC
      @MageroSTC 4 года назад +5

      @@lynfastlynfast6706 Absolutely, and that's great to hear your experience with them is so positive! After watching this vid, I definitely have a more open mind in the future, but I still am not their biggest fan based on my own experience.

  • @morgancorey982
    @morgancorey982 3 года назад +35

    I have used Kahlers on all of my builds, including 10 strings. I love them! However, you do need to know how to set one up to get the most out of them. The customizability in terms of: fretboard radius, string spacing, and height, is VERY handy, as is the ability to customize the bridge’s materials.

    • @christebo7305
      @christebo7305 2 года назад +2

      Correct... but once set up, they are good to go. You do need to grease them on occasion. I love mine.

  • @dougthetechguy5005
    @dougthetechguy5005 4 года назад +120

    When I was first learning to play back in the 80"s I learned on Kahler equipped guitars and prefer them to Floyd's myself

  • @macbruce7562
    @macbruce7562 4 года назад +49

    I’ve always liked kahler’s. A lot of people will complain about tuning instability in about every trem that’s not a Floyd rose. Use graphite lube when installing new strings at the nut and bridge.

  • @kevinmontplaisir1098
    @kevinmontplaisir1098 2 года назад +4

    kahler was my 1st locking trim -
    it was already on a used modified gibson marauder i bought in 1983
    ( i think ) - always soldering the strings was just part of it -
    unless you wanted to have a string snap on purpose during a killer solo,-
    then leave that string unsoldered & have a spare guitar for the following songs! Or make it the last song of the night!
    Hundreds of hours of shows & parties back then & that kahler
    never let me down!
    Thanks for the reminder!

  • @TomsGreenMind
    @TomsGreenMind 4 года назад +369

    What you forgot to mention is, like most technology, it's the porn industry that decides if something fails or succeeds. Happened to VHS over betamax, Bluray over HD DVD. The porn industry just preferred the Floyd Rose.
    😂😂😂

    • @Even_N.D.
      @Even_N.D. 4 года назад +15

      Thats why it called "Rose" huh?

    • @diobrando5896
      @diobrando5896 4 года назад +10

      @Fly Society tropic thunder

    • @MartinMaat
      @MartinMaat 4 года назад +26

      It must be because of the full body penetration of the Floyd. Kahlers don't go nearly as deep.

    • @pashon4percushon
      @pashon4percushon 4 года назад +9

      @Fly Society This is just a cliche joke. I had someone tell me that the porn industry jumps on technology before any other industry. "They're using it before anyone else is using it". So no one realizes it but when told about it its true, the porn industry is already involved in it. They were already doing the internet back in 1998. They try their hands at anything technology to keep the financial gain. Like, who watches porn in 4K? But its out there, crystal clear porn. 6K is out there too, but only one hollywood movie has used it so far. But the first thing that came to my mind is, 'wonder when we start seeing porn advert "now in 6K" before any other hollywood movies start doing it'. I trolled this comment because i new what Tom was exactly talking about.

    • @davidhollowelljr949
      @davidhollowelljr949 4 года назад +4

      Goddammit I was not expecting this Tropic Thunder reference

  • @Eladar1
    @Eladar1 4 года назад +124

    I’ve always avoided Kahler due to rumours of tuning instability. May have to try one on my next build!

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 4 года назад +14

      They're excellent and are on-par with a Floyd. It's all preference to feel.

    • @ordohereticus3427
      @ordohereticus3427 4 года назад +19

      Many of those rumours are rubbish. They’re largely on par with the Floyds. Marginally better in some regards and marginally less so in others, but broadly speaking, they’re great enough.

    • @awesomenesssquash
      @awesomenesssquash 4 года назад

      Do it! If you prefer a lighter/subtler feeling trem but want the same amount of range, and are willing to give up a bit of fluttering, kahler is the way to go.

    • @wampaku2
      @wampaku2 4 года назад

      I had a Kahler on my guitar. You could hear it go out of tune. Play a chord and enjoy the sound of the G string detuning. They might be better these days, but I'll probably never use one again.

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion 4 года назад +5

      Anyone saying either trem goes out of tune just sucks at using them

  • @bengibson3955
    @bengibson3955 3 года назад +2

    I’ve got a Kahler trem factory fitted on my 1987 MIJ Strat. The bridge assembly is almost identical to a Floyd Rose, right down to the tiny little bits that clamp the strings end after cutting off the ball end. The locking nut is typical FR too, with no zero fret. I haven’t seen many Kahlers out there like this one, especially factory-fitted to a Fender Strat.

  • @thefateshavewarned
    @thefateshavewarned 4 года назад +30

    Every time I tried a Kahler, I loved it. It had excellent tuning stability and was arguably the most comfortable vibrato system I ever played. I remember playing a Jeff Hanneman signature model and how easy it was to play just about everything. And that doesn’t even begin to describe the setup possibilities with a Kahler. I would definitely buy a guitar with one if I can get the money to do so.

  • @jonathanjx7507
    @jonathanjx7507 3 года назад +121

    When i do tremolo with bending
    My string: Please no more!
    Me: Still bending more~
    My string: "Goodbye my owner"

    • @bradleyard4195
      @bradleyard4195 3 года назад +5

      String: Goodbye, cruel world
      I'm leaving you today
      Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye...

    • @bruh-gn5kc
      @bruh-gn5kc 3 года назад +1

      Goodbye my owner it's hard to die
      When all the strings are in the sky

    • @danm1556
      @danm1556 3 года назад +1

      @@bradleyard4195 of course a wall reference

    • @bradleyard4195
      @bradleyard4195 3 года назад

      @@danm1556 You say that as though it's a bad thing. I mean, come on, it's a classic album.

    • @danm1556
      @danm1556 3 года назад +1

      @@bradleyard4195 probably my most played album

  • @KenLou
    @KenLou 3 года назад +10

    I'm the owner of Whammy Parts, the only official dealer of Kahler parts. This video pretty much nails all the main points. I've enjoyed reading all the comments as well. Thanks for posting this!

  • @kesamek8537
    @kesamek8537 4 года назад +159

    Ability to change the string spacing is pure genius and makes other systems look like something of a joke.

    • @angusorvid8840
      @angusorvid8840 4 года назад +8

      I know, but you really have to set it up just right. But yea, it's a great feature.

    • @ollimoore
      @ollimoore 4 года назад +24

      It’s a neat feature for sure, but most will end up with a spacing that matches the width of the neck and pickup pole spacing, and never adjust it again, so it’s debatable how useful it is in the real world.

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 3 года назад +5

      @@ollimoore That's...kind of the point though. You can drop a Kahler in ANYTHING with regards to neck width and fretboard radius. You can't with a Floyd.

    • @ollimoore
      @ollimoore 3 года назад +2

      @@Kylora2112
      Yeah, and my point (which I probably didn't make clear enough the first time to be fair) is that because the person setting up the guitar is likely just going to match the pickup spacing, the string spacing will be one of two standard sizes after all. Sure, that's a plus point against a Floyd as the Floyd can only match one of those, but most of the guitars one might sensibly be considering putting a Floyd on will likely have pickup spacing that matches the Floyd. Plus, chances are if you're setting up a Kahler to be Gibson spacing, it'll be one of the tune-o-matic retrofit type. They could've just made the TOM version with fixed Gibson spacing and the flatmount with Fender spacing and the vast majority of users would've been just fine.
      Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it isn't a good feature, just that it isn't all that important a lot of the time. (probably why it's a rare feature) Potential buyers ought to check whether they actually need an unusual spacing before considering it a major selling point for them.
      Floyds can potentially be adjusted for radius using shims, but yes that's an advantage to the kahler although not as unique as the adjustable spacing. Not relevant to what I was saying however.

  • @rikkifknrobin
    @rikkifknrobin 4 года назад +182

    kdh is the only channel i click on very fast

    • @HeathenwoodOfficial
      @HeathenwoodOfficial 4 года назад +6

      And one of the channels that defends the vulnerable and victims of hate!

    • @GIa_DM
      @GIa_DM 4 года назад +1

      Also, he's a killer guitar player. But that's stuff everybody's already well aware of.

    • @adamburger858
      @adamburger858 4 года назад

      lol, I usually click pretty fast also.. That first video? omg....dropped a bomb man...ha... u can't even see that video anymore now.. took it off huh?

  • @ReddNashe
    @ReddNashe 3 года назад +2

    I was planning on just blowing through here brother. But your video was outstanding. And when you broke into Tora Tora walking shoes. I knew I had to subscribe. You are the s***!

  • @0000song0000
    @0000song0000 4 года назад +72

    as a musician who started with Classical guitar, this tremolo system makes way more sense than Floyd's

  • @HeathenwoodOfficial
    @HeathenwoodOfficial 4 года назад +41

    Thank you for doing justice to a brand that was hated. As someone who had experience with the shaming of some of his work its highly appreciated

  • @tedmich
    @tedmich 3 года назад +2

    Nicely done! I've had a Kahler on my Carvin DC150 for many years now and it works well with Sperzels, a reworked straight string path and a graphtech nut. The rollers (also brass) gave a disconcerting "ting" when I bent strings until I fitted very thin teflon spacers on both sides of their press fit axels. For the string movement over the cam, I put inner melt FEP heat shrink over the area you soldered, creating nearly friction free movement. Add a big bar and heavy springs and its bullet proof!

  • @blaines8832
    @blaines8832 3 года назад +71

    Kahlers are definitely underappreciated, ordered a fixed bridge Kahler for my Dave Mustaine King V project and the invoice for the part came with a handwritten and signed thank you note from Gary Kahler himself, cool to see that the founder of the company is still that involved with production.

    • @toddhamiltonwashere
      @toddhamiltonwashere 2 года назад +3

      Gary visited a Luthiery class I was taking a few years ago. Really great guy. He was very patient and answered all of the questions I punished him with haha. I wish they were more common as I find them to be superior to and just way less of a pain in the balls to work on than a Floyd.

    • @dogslobbergardens6606
      @dogslobbergardens6606 2 года назад +1

      @@toddhamiltonwashere Mr. Kahler has a video or two on youtube about how to properly set up your Kahler. That's really the problem most people have with them, they just don't know how to set it up. So if for some reason if the bridge wasn't right when they got it, they think "This design just sucks."
      As you probably learned, once you've got it set up right you may never have to mess with it again. Unless you drastically change string gauges or something. I set mine up yearrrrs ago, and I go back and forth between 10s and 11s on it and never change a thing. It stays in tune regardless. I can't even tell if the intonation changes, and neither can my digital tuner.
      Floyds are like old Harleys, you're constantly mucking about with the damn thing just to get it to run. Even just changing strings is unnecessarily complicated.

    • @fatboydashredder9877
      @fatboydashredder9877 2 года назад +1

      @@dogslobbergardens6606 wait till floyd fans have to install and set one up. Then they'll see hoe damn tedious the process it

  • @Kwert
    @Kwert 4 года назад +8

    Ever since that RC audit, this has quickly become a must-watch channel for me. Love the content!

  • @malikterzic228
    @malikterzic228 3 года назад +3

    I have Kahler X trem on my G&L Jerry Cantrell tribute, and after some time when I used to it, I can say it's great tremolo unit. Soldering the strings is very good solution for the tuning stability.

  • @Watergrovey
    @Watergrovey 4 года назад +15

    Many moons ago I used to own an 80’s Ibanez destroyer just like Phil Collen’s. It had a retrofitted Kahler and Floyd locking nut. It played fantastic and didn’t go out of tune if I remember correctly.

  • @Mojoman57
    @Mojoman57 4 года назад +65

    You didn't think anyone would recognize Walkin' Shoes by Tora Tora at the end, did ya?

    • @robertdamron898
      @robertdamron898 4 года назад +2

      I was gonna say that.
      Good thing I read the comments first. Lol.
      btw.
      That was cool

    • @wattsun7946
      @wattsun7946 4 года назад +1

      One of my old bands got to open for them in the early 90s. Super cool guys and great players.

    • @dewapd1169
      @dewapd1169 4 года назад

      They have a new album out that is freaking awesome!! Its called Basterds of Beale

    • @curtislowe4577
      @curtislowe4577 4 года назад

      Always liked the Surprise Attack CD. It has three good tunes. I don't recall why but one day I discovered Bombs Away and Revolution Day. Bombs Away also has three good tunes but Revolution Day has five!

  • @DreamingSnorlax
    @DreamingSnorlax Год назад

    All of your sage advice aside, I find your whole vibe just lovely

  • @chemystery7739
    @chemystery7739 4 года назад +10

    Installed a Kahler on my Travis Bean circa '82. Never had any issues with tuning stability. Loved it; the next time I install a trem, definitely a Kahler.

    • @sauletto1
      @sauletto1 3 года назад

      I still have my copy of Travis Beans first catalog !

  • @chuckbowie5833
    @chuckbowie5833 4 года назад +11

    Instead of soldering the ends of the strings, when I had a NJ Bc Rich Ironbird I used to put the strings into cut down wire sheaths right at the end. That prevents some of the friction.

  • @familiardave6540
    @familiardave6540 2 года назад +4

    I had a Charvel in the late 80's with a Kahler tremelo. I absolutely loved it. Effortless to use and very durable. You could pick the guitar up with the tremelo bar and it would stay in tune. I only broke one string at the windings in about 5 years of playing. 30 years later and I still miss it!

  • @HXCBeard
    @HXCBeard 4 года назад +30

    The legendary Jerry Cantrell of Alice in Chains also uses them and has since he's been using those old G&L Rampage's from the 80s

    • @keithreeder
      @keithreeder 4 года назад

      But he's a _shite_ guitarist_ - we must remember that. It's like recommending a toothbrush because it's the same one Shane McGowan uses.

    • @HXCBeard
      @HXCBeard 4 года назад +19

      @@keithreeder Says fucking who? Lil Wayne is a "shite" guitarist, Jerry isn't Vai or Randy Rhoads but he's a great player and wrote some of the best music of the 90s imo.

    • @achystrawman
      @achystrawman 4 года назад +6

      @@HXCBeard agreed. some of the best sounds from the 90s were pioneered by Cantrell

    • @Ravelle17
      @Ravelle17 4 года назад +6

      @@keithreeder you’re out of your damn mind

    • @Sasquatch33
      @Sasquatch33 4 года назад +1

      @@keithreeder from all of the 90s grunge guitarist he was definitely the best out of all of them

  • @mcshootydotjpeg
    @mcshootydotjpeg 4 года назад +37

    The best part about Kahlers are that some of their bridges are ambidextrous.

    • @fotissk3076
      @fotissk3076 3 года назад

      Really interesting since I am left handed. Do you have any specific floating Kahler tremolos to suggest?

    • @mcshootydotjpeg
      @mcshootydotjpeg 3 года назад +1

      Honestly, nothing in particular. But I was looking at their 6 string aluminum and brass tremolo. All I can say is go to the website and see what you like. I hope this helps, and that you find something.

    • @leonidesjongui2267
      @leonidesjongui2267 3 года назад

      It's even better, the Mahler shown in the video has 3 bar holes, one of them is in the middle of the strings making it technically ambidextrous

    • @mcshootydotjpeg
      @mcshootydotjpeg 3 года назад

      I was mainly referring to the ones on their website with 5 bar holes, but yeah, you definitely could keep the bar in the middle. Even if you're not using it as a tremolo, the roller saddles make it ambidextrous.

    • @claysmell
      @claysmell 3 года назад +2

      I would say the best part about Kahlers is that you don't have to hack a huge passthru hole in your guitar. Even the routed versions take only a pickup's worth of wood.

  • @mofomartianp
    @mofomartianp 3 года назад +2

    I wish I had all these tips before I bought a G&L Rampage with a Kahler. For months I struggled to get it to play right and had to learn the hard way. But now it's a great bridge and has it's own character completely different than a floyd. Kahlers are definitely an awesome design, but you have to know how to work with them.
    A few tips I found extremely helpful: make sure the floating bridge is as close to level with the body as possible, lube all moving/moveable parts with either graphite or silicon oil, and use reinforced strings (like Ernie Ball RPS) with string sleeves that spare the cam from getting chewed up. Once I did those things, it's rock solid and basically never goes out of tune.

  • @guitarsnake368
    @guitarsnake368 4 года назад +22

    Been using Kahlers and Floyds since the mid 80's, love them both, each have their advantages although for me, the Floyd's are a bit more of a pain in the ass to keep set up.

  • @benhill8454
    @benhill8454 4 года назад +27

    Back in the day I had a Kahler on my Strat. Loved It. The ability to “move” chords around with your little finger was the best. I’m think I may need to buy one now 🤔

    • @christianfoster3806
      @christianfoster3806 3 года назад +2

      So are you saying that chords stay in tune while you're using the whammy bar? I like the Floyd Rose for coming back to pitch perfectly, but noticed very quickly that whammying double stops or chords would produce dissonance as the strings modulate at different rates.

    • @benhill8454
      @benhill8454 3 года назад

      @@christianfoster3806 - I can say that the chords would not stay in tune. There was for sure some movement in and out of tune. For me it was fine. Not doing crazy bends. Just moving the chords, add some delay and bringing in some dissidence but I liked it.

  • @AlexusDelphi
    @AlexusDelphi 3 года назад +5

    I tried a Kahler on a Kerry King signature at a local shop maybe 15 years ago and loved it. Before then I'd only used a Fender bridge and hated how hard it was to use

  • @HeathenwoodOfficial
    @HeathenwoodOfficial 4 года назад +27

    You made me seriously consider them now. Having a smaller route means they could replace a fixed bridge much more easily

    • @axmnstrbnd
      @axmnstrbnd 4 года назад +1

      Yup. I did it on different guitars that had TOM bridges. When you buy the kahler that suits your tastes and needs, it comes with a template to do the work. If you aren't comfy with that, I definitely suggest bringing your axe to someone who knows.

    • @yallevereatenbeans2723
      @yallevereatenbeans2723 4 года назад +1

      @@axmnstrbnd does a kahler route cover the 4 holes that are drilled for a TOM?

    • @axmnstrbnd
      @axmnstrbnd 4 года назад

      @@yallevereatenbeans2723 they do! Wish there was a way to show pics here.

    • @yallevereatenbeans2723
      @yallevereatenbeans2723 4 года назад +1

      @@axmnstrbnd Damn, I was hoping you'd say no, now I'm getting ideas lol

    • @axmnstrbnd
      @axmnstrbnd 4 года назад

      @@yallevereatenbeans2723 hahahahahaha!!! Get it bro!! You won't be disappointed. I promise. I bought the hybrid.. not sure if they all come with it now, but then, it had an allen screw on the back of the trem to lock it and make it a fixed bridge. Which makes changing strings a damn god send! Im telling you, you won't be mad you got a kahler. Theres so may pluses to them!

  • @Malum09
    @Malum09 4 года назад +54

    Jerry Cantrell and Jim Martin used them, that's all i need to know

    • @peteytwofinger
      @peteytwofinger 4 года назад +3

      adrian belew and rob fetters too

    • @Dankster-yo8xv
      @Dankster-yo8xv 3 года назад

      Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman

    • @TL-angzarr
      @TL-angzarr 3 года назад

      @oscar darrell it's not a trem tho

    • @Malum09
      @Malum09 3 года назад

      I guess I’ll add KK Downing and Glenn Tipton to the group.

  • @extinctavian5444
    @extinctavian5444 3 года назад +22

    This video IMMEDIATELY made me sprint over to eBay only to find that they’re ludicrously expensive. :(

    • @poulwinther
      @poulwinther 3 года назад +2

      They are not really more expensive than proper Floyds. Just way better. Don't compare to soft steel copies.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 3 года назад

      @@poulwinther
      True but the Gotoh GE1996 is quite a lot cheaper than a Floyd, Floyd and is at least the equal when it comes to metallurgy.
      Saddles have nice beveled edges too.
      Kahler is very expensive in Europe because of import duty and VAT, whereas Gotoh and Schaller have plenty of dealers.
      I like a lot about the Kahler design - especially the constant string height when pulling the bar all the way up - but not enough to justify the cost.

    • @poulwinther
      @poulwinther 3 года назад

      @@pauln6803 GE 1996 is far from an option for me. I need space for palm muting so only low Floyds are in the game. In fact I don't understand how anyone can use standard Floyds at all with those screws sticking up. So now you're looking at a much smaller price difference and the fact that you can adjust the string spacing of the Kahler is more than enough to justify it.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 3 года назад

      @@poulwinther
      Each to their own.
      I too prefer low profile designs and if Gotoh were to bring out a LP version of the GE1996, my bank account would immediately be somewhat lighter.
      They can fit a replica of the Edge arm, but keep the grub screw tension while they're at it please.
      After the GE1996 and Ibanez Edge Pro I couldn't go back to the blocky, square saddles of the genuine Floyd bridges - including the low profile.
      You can throw in the Ibanez Edge Zero with that; a step backwards IMHO.
      On the other hand Kahler could produce some wider saddles so they could fit together at the widest setting for reinforcement as between a set of 10's and my ham fisted technique I always find the low E bends the saddle inwards.

  • @madmat2001
    @madmat2001 4 года назад +5

    FYI, you can set a Floyd to any radius you want. It's way more involved since you have to use shims under each saddle block to set the string height for each saddle but it is doable. Personally I think the Kahler is the superior trem for one reason, it doesn't vary the string length by physically moving the string towards the nut as you dive or pulling it away as you raise the arm. This means your chords stay a bit truer when you apply the trem during a chord.

  • @goddog5610
    @goddog5610 3 года назад +7

    I have had guitars with just about every locking tremolo but I still go back to my favorite, The original Edge tremolo on my 1989(?) Ibanez 540r which is a Floyd Rose licensed tremolo. It is a FR style trem with all of the "bugs" worked out. Great video.

    • @EfftupSmith
      @EfftupSmith Год назад

      I do like the Ibanez Edge Trem.I like the low profile Floyds/Edges but normal ones are fine. My actual guitar has a Washburn 600s which is a rebranded Japanese Takeuchi TRS101. A very good licenced Floyd. the Korean KKT3 was always much harder to set up in the first place. I worked in a music shop and set up a LOT of these things.

  • @vintagetubeamplifiers
    @vintagetubeamplifiers 3 года назад +2

    Kahler is my favorite bridge. I even go back enough to have a Accutune on my Dean Hollywood Z back in 1983.

  • @row1610
    @row1610 4 года назад +5

    I installed one on my Ibanez RG8 to fix the tuning stability problems on the 8th string and it worked really well! I rarely use it as a trem though, I keep it as a double locking fixed bridge

  • @paradoxofepicurus
    @paradoxofepicurus 4 года назад +91

    Never had tuning issues when i had a Kahler,it was way better than Floyds.

    • @medmusic7977
      @medmusic7977 4 года назад

      Exactly it’s all about how its installed

    • @mariorojas3724
      @mariorojas3724 4 года назад +1

      That's so true!!! Better than Floyd

    • @stamfarbrann9305
      @stamfarbrann9305 4 года назад +2

      Hey can you tell me what he says at 6:06 I couldn't understand what he suggests about melting

    • @braveguide
      @braveguide 4 года назад +1

      @@stamfarbrann9305 He's saying to put some solder on the end of the string. (Some people pronounce it as "Soder")

    • @stamfarbrann9305
      @stamfarbrann9305 4 года назад +2

      @@braveguide Thanks a lot!

  • @mavaction
    @mavaction 3 года назад +6

    You can change the flutter speed by simply adding weight to the tip of tremolo arm. I used to stick a steel pipe over mine to slow down the flutter. Just wedged it on. You can add so much weight that you can get a really silly...super wide...floppy flutter. Try some visegrips with some paper to prevent scratching the arm...but that's if you want to experiment with the crazy wide slow flutter....

  • @mikeyv311
    @mikeyv311 3 года назад +5

    I came into the ownership of a Peavey Vortex 2, and the Kahler bridge is one of the most exciting things about it! The CAM design is ingenious, especially compared to a Floyd Rose. It's more versatile and adjustable as well. The rollers on mine need replacing, but I've done my best to clean them up. It stays in tune, even after whammy abuse, and being around since 1986!

  • @masonrydin5369
    @masonrydin5369 3 года назад +1

    I think your channel will grow quick. You seem very confident in what you’re talking about and sound very educated.

  • @acw2237
    @acw2237 4 года назад +6

    Had a charvel model 6 with kahler.. Never had one single issue with it.. Always stayed in tune

    • @dtu1686
      @dtu1686 3 года назад +2

      same , yeah great guitars and great Trem

  • @shrewdarc9934
    @shrewdarc9934 4 года назад +12

    Kahlers are fantastic!!! I own more than one of them... I own Floyds and Ibanez trems as well. For myself Kahlers are by far the easiest to set up and I find the most adjustable as well. I actually do prefer their buttery smooth actions and feel for most trem stuff. The options of either brass or steel works out great for me and I like the different tonal qualities of both. I totally agree with losing the string lock and using a locking nut instead. Also good strings are an absolute must indeed... I use the D'Addario NYXL anyway so it's all good. Kahler without a doubt are a far better tremolo than a lot of people give them credit for. When Kahlers are set up properly they are an absolute pleasure to play with great tone and sustain as well. Now with all that said I still do really like my Floyds and Ibanez trems as well. However if you have never played a Kahler you owe it to yourself to give one a try if you get the chance... who knows you might end up preferring them more?

    • @christebo7305
      @christebo7305 2 года назад

      Yup... they are gems... we have similar experiences

    • @sciencemansandera
      @sciencemansandera 2 года назад

      I agree 100% you asked me they’re the best and I think Kerry King would agree mine hold their tune forever

  • @jeffhampton6972
    @jeffhampton6972 3 года назад +1

    I'm so happy you made this video! I'm a small-time guitar builder who has used (and loved) Kahler before, but haven't tried Floyd yet, but likely will soon for a customer. Thank you for addressing flutters in particular, that was the main comparison I was curious about. Cheers!

  • @death_II
    @death_II 4 года назад +41

    Kerry King moment

  • @Cring0r
    @Cring0r 4 года назад +77

    I'm curious however the string snapping issue scares me

    • @gunslinger80sguitars
      @gunslinger80sguitars 4 года назад +23

      I dont get the soldering tip he said. I have been playing kahler for over 20yrs and can't remember the last time a string broke. I use ghs boomers 10-52

    • @angusorvid8840
      @angusorvid8840 4 года назад +14

      I never had this happen to me with a Kahler. But with Floyds? All the damned time.

    • @scarletr240
      @scarletr240 4 года назад +8

      honestly it's super easy. Just melt a drop or two of solder onto the string windings near the ball end (where the excess windings overlap). It reinforces the string where it passes over the cam, and that solves 95% of string breaking on a kahler.

    • @maxmustardman298
      @maxmustardman298 4 года назад +4

      according to whammyparts.com some strings like ernie balls are prone to break on kahlers, a few brands are mentioned that provide better durability on a kahler like ghs or other extra reinforced strings

    • @bananabiscut5174
      @bananabiscut5174 4 года назад +1

      those reinforced strings are not hard to find you can look up the strings he showed on amazon, the difference is, is that it costs a little more.

  • @someoneelse101
    @someoneelse101 2 года назад +3

    I haven't tried this specific Kahler trem. It was the 2300 (I think 2315) series I tried minus a locking nut. But I found that trem to be far more stable than any Floyd or vintage style trem I have used. Tuning stability was unaffected even on a freshly strung guitar

  • @sillyness3456
    @sillyness3456 4 года назад +12

    I always loved the engineering behind Kahler over Floyd Rose, both have their place, just not in my guitars, as I only play fixed bridges.

    • @hathatfigures3663
      @hathatfigures3663 3 года назад

      That's why I prefer the Kahler over the Floyd I'm a big fixed bridge les Paul guy and when I am playing heavy and muting you hear the pitch going up and down on a Floyd but not on a Kahler. If your not use to playing with a Floyd you end up bending the pitch by laying your palm on the strings trying to mute while playing heavy riffs

  • @davidcollins3906
    @davidcollins3906 4 года назад +7

    Honestly I forgot about these. I installed one of the 1st back in the 80's on a les Paul, bad idea. It work ok back it devalued the guitar. They make so much more sense on new builds with locking tuners.

  • @bearres
    @bearres 3 года назад

    Thanks for the suggestion to add solder at the windings. I snapped a string in that exact spot.

  • @creamygoodness3018
    @creamygoodness3018 4 года назад +13

    Glenn Tipton never seemed to have any problems with his Kahlers. Too, I enjoyed the video but I'm good with standard Fender fulcrum trems

    • @b.scottfarthingsworth
      @b.scottfarthingsworth 4 года назад

      Yeah most pics show him with Floyds, google it

    • @creamygoodness3018
      @creamygoodness3018 4 года назад +1

      @@b.scottfarthingsworth …yeah, I don't use Google, and 2 of Glenn's main custom designs through Hamer-the stretched-out Strat-like shape and the 4-point shape-that he used throughout his career, had Kahlers. Same goes for some stuff he did with Ltd. DuckDuckGo it…I just did

    • @sirlemonhead7715
      @sirlemonhead7715 4 года назад +3

      @@creamygoodness3018 Yep, you're dead right. Glenn has always used Kahlers since the mid 80s. I think only KK deviated from them over to Floyds when he went with the speedloaders on his KxK guitars.

    • @creamygoodness3018
      @creamygoodness3018 4 года назад

      @@sirlemonhead7715 Yup! Too, I like the Kahlers well enough, I s'pose…but I prefer Floyds as they feel closer to a standard Fender trem than the Kahlers, and Fenders are my preference

    • @creamygoodness3018
      @creamygoodness3018 3 года назад

      @@KyleBGanger … yup! You know we were talking about Kahlers and Floyds, right? You're like the guy who comes along a says, "Hey, you forgot a comma back there … you misspelled Kamala … the Earth is flat." Who cares-

  • @MattCitrano
    @MattCitrano 3 года назад +6

    Thank you so so much for making this video! I used to have an 80s Carvin V220 with a golden Kahler trem on it.
    At the time I was a huge Racer X and Jason Becker fan, and I absolutely loved using the Kahler. Very smooth, generally easy to set up (except I believe I had an older model which didn't have that trem-lock screw). The reinforced ball-end thing was the only actual issue I had run into. But I have had far more issues with Floyds over time, and would feel that a guitar is more "ruined" with a Floyd than with a Kahler. Soldering some strings was a bit more effort up-front for ease-of-use later and worth it. That was an unfortunate situation where I actually loved the bridge but hated the guitar (it was used and had several unfixable setup issues I wasn't aware of when buying and I ultimately had to sell it).
    I'm not as into floating trems as I was when I was a teenager, but I was happy and surprised to see a Dean guitar yesterday which was a new production model that had a Kahler on it! So I really hope we can see more of them in the future, as they are easily deserving of more time in the limelight.

    • @therapist6328
      @therapist6328 2 года назад

      I have a Kahler equipped V220 circa 1984. Beast of a guitar. Jazz to metal.

  • @BigBurgerBoy557
    @BigBurgerBoy557 6 месяцев назад +2

    I have a peavey predator with kahler tremolo, it had been on my wall for 5 years just picked it up today and it was still perfectly in tune.

    • @richardsmith9615
      @richardsmith9615 3 месяца назад

      I completely forgot about that. I have a Peavey Predator that I never play (Suck at 7 string) it holds tune well yeah, It is a little bit warbly with my right hand though, but I love the percussive sound you get from it for muting etc.

  • @seancrockett6829
    @seancrockett6829 3 года назад +4

    I've recently fitted a Kahler to my 80's Monroe V (after trying various other trems which didn't quite fit - note it's Floyd style Kahler with the springs in a rout at the back of the guitar), but I'm now a little more open to trying a 'traditional' Kahler trem.

    • @NitroModelsAndComics
      @NitroModelsAndComics 2 года назад

      Ive been looking for Monroe guitars for years. I remember their ads with all the crazy paint jobs and shapes. Still looking.

  • @dicedoomkid
    @dicedoomkid 4 года назад +14

    Gotta try it, I didn’t know there was an alternative to the Floyd rose

  • @Tifford1
    @Tifford1 5 месяцев назад +2

    I have a 86 Charvel 3A with a Kahler but I'm missing the Whammy bar. Where do I get a Whammy bar for my made in USA Kahler fulcrum?

    • @ozzuk616
      @ozzuk616 5 месяцев назад +1

      You can use a standard screw in USA Fender style arm but you can buy from kahler directly and whammy world you can choose the original Fender style arm with tip the flyer style and heavy bar which are more modern style arms

  • @georgevanar2305
    @georgevanar2305 4 года назад +16

    3:23 insert Seinfeld “not that there’s anything wrong with that” 😂

  • @markwheeler5837
    @markwheeler5837 4 года назад +6

    Listen, I'm only 44 years old but I grew up in the 80's and back then Kahler was every where and I loved them. They were great, the adds ya show at the beginning of this video was the Kahler spider and that's the trem that got them sued by Floyd Rose. So those weren't around much. The coolest guitar to me with a Kahler was the Gibson Les Paul, which Gibson would make and put out themselves. Those things played great.
    My biggest gripe with Floyd Rose is that to me their a "one size fits all" kinda thing where as the Kahler can have the radius changed to whatever guitar ya like. Although the Ibanez edge type Floyd does come shaped to the radius of their necks, and too me are the improvement on the Floyd Rose, More companies should do that in my opinion. (check out the Ibanez edge pro) their out of production now but they were great. So where the other Edge systems but the Edge Pro was my favorite.
    I think all the trems can work pretty well if people will learn how to set them up, and in saying that there are trems like the regular Fender Strat trems that I never learned, so I'm guilty too.
    But Kahler's are awesome and too me run circles around Floyd Rose.

    • @5000rgb
      @5000rgb 4 года назад

      I had a Kahler Sypder, By that time Kahler had integrated the locking mechanism into the nut. I may have liked it slightly better than the Floyd mainly because because intonation adjusting screws are available. I do prefer the fulcrum style over the cam but that's just what I'm used to. Kahler's system is much more modular.

  • @MetacortexAnderson
    @MetacortexAnderson 2 года назад +1

    One of the benefits of a Kahler that I don't think you mentioned is that the string height doesn't change at all on a Kahler, but on a Floyd or other fulcrum style bridge, the string height goes up with dives and frets out with pulls. I only have 3 guitars with bars and they are all Kahler, in fact I have the exact KK Beast V that you have, except I added some inlay stickers of upside down crosses.

  • @JD-vj4go
    @JD-vj4go 4 года назад +15

    Can you flutter on a Kahler andy la rocque style? Edit: never mind you answered this. I must learn patience.

  • @DingusMcBrungus
    @DingusMcBrungus 4 года назад +4

    Damn, I really want a Kahler now. Drop tune with the fine tuner, lock the trem easily, more sensitive trem? Sounds like I've been missing out

    • @corneliuscrewe677
      @corneliuscrewe677 4 года назад

      Always had at least one guitar in the arsenal with a Kahler for 35 years including an ‘84 Jackson Rhoads. Haven’t had a Floyd for over 10 years, even converted a Jackson Kelly parts guitar with a Floyd to a Kahler.
      Best part about the Kahler is it does the really subtle smooth Bigsby stuff better than a Bigsby AND you can dive them. Critical to get them set up well, but when they are in, they’re unbeatable.

    • @oblongjr
      @oblongjr 4 года назад

      I drooled when he showed how easy it was to downtune on the go

  • @MitchellHudson
    @MitchellHudson 2 года назад

    I have had a Kahler since the 1980s! I bought one of the first flat mount models, I still have it,and it still works. Stays in tune great. My issue is that, when doing a two string bend, where you bend one note up to the other, the pitch drops a bit. This happens on most terms, but it seems more pronounced on the Kahler.

  • @Omegon
    @Omegon 4 года назад +4

    I'M ADDING THIS HERESY TO MY AUDIO AUDIT ON KDH!!!!
    NOW PLAY LEFT HANDED, I DOUBLE DARE YOU!

  • @sepherus
    @sepherus 4 года назад +7

    I love my Kahlers. I'm much more of a subtle trem user, and I love how smooth they are for that. I can never get a Floyd or even the various strat terms to work for me like that.

    • @corneliuscrewe677
      @corneliuscrewe677 4 года назад +1

      Absolutely agreed. They do the subtle Bigsby thing better than Bigsby’s.

    • @nicksimms3771
      @nicksimms3771 4 года назад

      100%. Floyds feel somewhat clunky in their operation, and make it difficult to get a subtle wavering vibrato like you can get with a bigsby or Jaguar vibrato. Kahlers do it effortlessly

    • @corneliuscrewe677
      @corneliuscrewe677 4 года назад +2

      @@nicksimms3771 That's exactly it right there. Being able to rest your hand on a fully floating bridge is a huge plus for me, too.

  • @jerry42407
    @jerry42407 3 года назад +19

    you have the timeline backwards. The cam systems were the originals, and the Floyd copies came later

    • @elevenAD
      @elevenAD 3 года назад +2

      correct! these came out when i first started playing in the early 80s and they were the super sensitive cam style for sure!

  • @francoiacomucci2116
    @francoiacomucci2116 4 года назад +6

    I put kahlers on all my guitars! i think they’re awesome

  • @FastRedPonyCar
    @FastRedPonyCar 3 года назад

    Can it be set to dive only? Biggest problem with floating bridges - shown in this video - is that when you drop that top string from E do D, it loosens the tension on the string just enough to throw the other strings EVER so sharp.
    I had a bigsby on my Tokai for maybe 2 weeks before I eventually pulled it off because of this. No way to set a bigsby to dive only (as far as my googling could show me).

  • @Tifys69
    @Tifys69 4 года назад +9

    Made me miss having a kahler. Had one years ago, I had noticed the convenience of being able to drop tune on the fly!

  • @GosselinCreative
    @GosselinCreative 4 года назад +20

    I believe the cam Kahler's were the original ones. They were on the market before they started making the knife-edge Floyd copies.

    • @transparentzwindows
      @transparentzwindows 4 года назад

      Yup...their fulcrum trem led to a lawsuit from Floyd if memory serves...

    • @mrtwistyneck
      @mrtwistyneck 4 года назад +3

      Yes the cam trems came first for Kahler. HOWEVER - Kahler (operating as APM) did contract with Floyd Rose to produce a few hundred of the first fine tuner whale tail Floyd's, prior to production ramp up in Germany by Schaller. Thanks Kahler! Gary turns around and made his own versions of fulcrum based trems and Floyd sued Kahler. The trem world is a litigious bunch.

    • @jerry42407
      @jerry42407 3 года назад

      i said this 2 months after you. Guess i might try reading the comments first

  • @veraroquete4698
    @veraroquete4698 Год назад +1

    Hi! Nice video. I own Kahler ( 2300 model ) for over 30 years as well as Ibanez Edge tremolos, and I prefer tre Kahler minus the abillity to make them flutter. You should have mentioned how much more easy is to restring and tune a Kahler equipped guitar vs a Floyd One. I remenber older Kahler tremolos ( back then there were several different models ) where you could adjust the CAM action and make them much prone to dive bombs and flutter.

  • @kyranlior1476
    @kyranlior1476 4 года назад +6

    5:44 I actually know of another solution. It really limits your string selection, but Fender Bullet strings don't have those windings so it's not a problem anymore! They're not expensive, either.

    • @keithreeder
      @keithreeder 4 года назад

      @illuminOz
      Great contribution...

  • @gitarsaus6716
    @gitarsaus6716 4 года назад +7

    Funny. I just made a video how I fixed my Kahler 🙌 Love that tremolo!

  • @SnakeEyedAussie
    @SnakeEyedAussie 2 года назад +1

    This is my first time watching this channel, and I have to say I’m impressed with the research and info shown, plus the beginning solo was awesome, one question tho, what guitar is he playing at the beginning?

  • @malthevh8367
    @malthevh8367 2 года назад +3

    I really don't know why you don't have hundred thousands of subscribers, you're one of the best guitar tech youtubers out there!
    Keep up the good work!

    • @hewych
      @hewych Год назад

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  • @niocitB
    @niocitB 4 года назад +6

    One of best tremolo-systems you can get - Kerry King uses in all his guitars

    • @shawnduffy5766
      @shawnduffy5766 4 года назад +3

      Bad example,,, SLAYER is killer,,but Kerry is not really a great guitarist.

    • @niocitB
      @niocitB 4 года назад +1

      @@shawnduffy5766 Bonehead! Kerry King is one of the best speed- and thrashmetal guitarists of the world. He was one of the first musicians who formed and created this genre of metal

    • @shawnduffy5766
      @shawnduffy5766 4 года назад +3

      First of all, bonehead,, I know what Slayer has done,,and like it or not,there was thrash before Slayer,, everything up to seasons in the abyss are awesome,,and wether you like it or not,,he's just a rhythm guitarist for Slayer. If it wasn't for Jeff Hannemen forming Slayer and showing Kerry how to play guitar,,u wouldn't even know who he is! Sorry Jr,,just like hammet w his wah pedal,,u take Kerry's kahler and the show is over. Not to mention that he's a pretentious dick,,,I've met him enough to know.

    • @Beadlayer69
      @Beadlayer69 3 года назад

      Kerry admitted that he only plays kahlers because he learned on them and couldn’t play anything else

    • @nckhed
      @nckhed 3 года назад

      @@shawnduffy5766 Jeff said that Kerry had 5 years on him and that he learned from Kerry. He said that himself in an old ESP Guitars interview. Jeff used a Kahler, too.

  • @colten2524
    @colten2524 5 месяцев назад +1

    does the kahler hold tuning on all the strings when one changes? when you tune a floyd rose after a restring you have to tune each string about 3 times, even if you go in a balanced pattern. it would be great not having that issue.