love your series. question, did you make a video on medical preparedness/emergencies?? if you did,could you provide a link and if not, why not???....lol. in my long years on this planet, i've never needed any emergency medical services (lucky me) but sitting behind a desk for 8 hrs per day is quite different than 8 hrs on the road, where shit can happen. just asking, thanks.
Also on the carnet de passage a frequent strategy is to use/buy an older vehicle and even if you have a ton of $$ in maintenance/customization/overlanding stuff on it you can register it for a far lower value in the carnet.
Incredibly helpful as we plan our own international overlanding adventures. Thank you so much! Your channel has been incredly helpful and we're only a few videos in! :)
Very useful information. I wanted to transit a VW van to iran to camp and see my own country. I now realise that it is more difficult than I thought. I think it is easier to buy an old van in Iran and put up with the repair problems that it may cause than going through the beurocrcy of transiting automobile and using Carnet. Thanks for video. Have fun✌🏼🌈🌹
Egypt requires a 200% deposit, not 800% (AA south africa). Getting a carnet is SA is a pain though because the deposit is done in SA Rand, which is prone to devaluation, meaning your deposit is worth less at the end of your trip. It is possible to get an Egyptian carnet that is valid in other African countries (there are 3 providers in Cairo). The cost for a 12 page carnet is approx 200 USD and the deposit is "negotiable". I paid 50% value of the car in cash deposit for a car which had South African license plates. Kenya TIP is limited to 15 days, so is possible to cross without carnet, but just a shame not to be able to stay longer. Travel safe!
I just been quoted by CARS in the UK for a deposit of 88%! This is for a 2012 old car worth £12K which to be honest I was surprised as I have also heard lots of rumours about Egypt ranging from 800-200%. I have also heard about the Egyptian tripque, I have a good Egyptian friend in Cairo and he is going to ask all the details for me this week.
You are a genius Dan, I can listen to u all day long. I just bought a vw westfalia in Nigeria, I live the UK, I plan to drive it from Nigeria up to the uk next year. I will use the t.i.p
Good information. That $1,500 fee just for the paperwork in the USA was really eye opening. Also, was not aware this was an issue for Australia. I'm going to start out with North America where I don't have to worry about a Carnet and then go from there.
Dan has yet again provided some gold dust info for overlanders. I would pick out just a couple of points from his video. Firstly, the cost of the carnet and the deposit / insurance bond is directly linked to the value of the vehicle, and spectacularly so if the deposit / bond is some multiplier >1. Hence there's a big advantage in driving an older vehicle which has a low market value. My 30 year old Defender would be declared at scrap value in most countries and hence the carnet is affordable :-) There are other advantages in taking an older 4x4 on these trips but this isn't the place to expound them. Secondly, Dan correctly identifies that import requirements at ports and at land borders can be very different even in the same country. It is especially important to get everything sorted in advance when a container is arriving because it becomes very expensive if there are any delays. You typically get 5 days in which to turn around a container from the moment of arrival and after that there will be rental payments on a steeply accelerating scale, plus port charges, demurrage, penalties, you name it. In some countries corrupt agents and customs officials will use this to pressure the vehicle owner to make extra payments. The mere threat of delaying a container by a few weeks will cause some owners to panic. Even with a carnet my container was unexpectedly delayed by 2+ weeks when entering Malaysia recently. This was due to ignorance and poor communications rather than corruption. If anyone is interested I tell the story at ruclips.net/video/1VoPyt0ZBqE/видео.html By contrast, on the return journey my container was through Felixstowe port in the UK less than 12 hours after the huge vessel docked. That's how it should work.
It is very easy to get a carnet in Australia as long as your vehicule is registered in Australia. You don’t have to put a bond, for a motorcycle I pay around $200 for an insurance that covers the bond for a year. The total cost of the carnet is $1500 but you get $500 back when the bike returns. I got one in 2017 then another one in 2018. No issues at all.
The Road Chose Me , The Road Chose Me, to be honest I don’t think the value of the vehicle makes a difference, the insurance might cost more for a car though, I don’t know how much more.
It surely does. All the issuing authorities around the world base everything around the value of the vehicle and the countries you're going to, because that's the size of the liability they're taking on.
Thanks for that info. Very informative, but at the same time very confusing. If the goal is to travel the globe I would assume a Carnet is a must as some countries require it, and you wouldn’t want to be stuck on some border because you don’t have one. You either need a Carnet or TIP to enter any country, is that correct? It’s one or the other? How is it different to a Temporary Import Permit? Is a TIP purchased on demand when entering a country as opposed to paying an initial deposit for the Carnet? You mentioned the Carnet can be extended while on the road, is that a one off or can it be repeated indefinitely? You also mentioned that a Carnet can only be issued where the car is registered, so would someone be able to get around the high deposit fees some countries charge, by buying a car in a country with cheaper fees (such as Australia)? In essence a foreigner buys a car in Australia to get the Australian Carnet. Cheers, Damar
Nice video. There's literally not much info on this. I thought of taking my car to birth country (bangladesh). But most people says no because of bureaucracy and tax. Costs from north america is just not worth it. Thankfully no need to do it when driving throughout America. And hope to stay that way forever.
In kuwait if i want to travel to egypt i buy trip-tic by 120$ only If i want the whole middle east ( excluding egypt ) it rounds about 120$ also Not sure if this treptic is capable to enter europe or no, i saw a vlog about a kuwaiti guy overlander entered romania from turkey and he had slight struggle on the borders
Nice! I think that's a special thing because your vehicle is registered in Kuwait. I don't think people with vehicles registered in the rest of the world can do that
Thank you! That was very helpful! We are planning a MC trip through Africa starting in January and this carnet stuff is confusing. When did you go through Africa? Any idea if it will even be possible to do after Corona?
Brilliant video, yet again. Thank you! Curious, is it entirely possible to purchase an overlander in South Africa and get a Carnet for travel from South Africa to India as a US citizen? I've read mixed field notes on whether or not it's possible to obtain a Carnet in SA as a foreigner, and for many reasons, it makes more sense to purchase an overlander on the continent rather than import. Any advice or tips would be MUCH appreciated!
You certainly CAN buy the vehicle (you have a to get a South African ID number to be able to register it in your name...) it takes time and is a pain but it can be done. As for the carnet, that kind of thing changes all the time. You would be able to get one from the USA issuer, probably. Or maybe Switzerland (NOT cheap). If you're prepared to persevere, you'll get it done.
It would be really helpful another video about roro freight shipping and how to make It succesfull. Theres not much information or videos explaining that. Thx Dan
Wow, US$ 1500 for a CDP is really expensive. Incredible. Feels like getting ripped off! Here in Switzerland we get it for about US$ 230 (or 640 for vehicles, which are nor registered in the country). So better apply here in Switzerland :-)
Could you please double check your statement that foreign registered cars can get a CDP in CH!!! It would go against all the rules I know! I once got a CDP from RO for my CD-plated car from the RO automobile club but paied the automobil club in Austria which in turn guaranteed the deposit to the club in RO! All this due to the fact that the car would be reregistered in Egypt and I nor the car would return to RO! The CDP for the RO registered vehicle however had to come from RO. Thank you
For Turkey you do not need a Carnet, but you will NOT leave the country without your vehicle - all border posts are linked up, it's also stamped in your passport. If you break down and the parts will take too long, load it up and ship it out.
How did you find the egyptian guy to help you out? Are there places online where you can get in touch with locals that know how to do the paperwork and such?
If you're serious about doing the trip you'll be in Facebook Groups and online forums where you can find the info. I'm reluctant to post his phone number here because I don't want him to get bombarded.
@@TheRoadChoseMe I was not asking for your guy specifically, just in general how to get in contact with people that know how to do the tricky stuff. Thanks for the answer anyway.
@@TheRoadChoseMe Good response, I have found a guy who might be able to do the job but I really had to do a lot of work and searching on online forums etc.
Hi Dan, thx been waiting for this video. I need to go to Ethiopia but threw Kenya. According to the AA we need a Carne for Kenya. But will keep watching. Many thx. Blessings
The AA will tell you a Carnet is mandatory for a bunch of countries it isn't. In fact many places say you need one for Cameroon, but when you actually get to Cameroon and talk to customs, they don't even accept the Carnet De Passage! It's all a bit of a gong show, but as I said if you can get one cheaply and easily, you may as well.
13:32 and they make you change your license plates, too And in the Sinai peninsula there are restrictions on the type of vehicles that can cross (from Israel) so no diesel, no 4*4, no motorcycles And recently they banned the use of dashcams, which are popular in Israel You wanna cross into Sinai with your car? take out the dashcam
Do you think the deposit will be expensive if decided to drive thru Iran ? I am actually planning to bring my Georgian Mercedes Benz to Saudi Arabia thru Armenia-Iran-UAE. The cost of my car in Georgia is around 25K USD. Looking for your advice
Interesting video. I am from Malta (EU) and the local customs (with whom I work) don't issue carnet so I am assuming that I have to do it elsewhere online. May I know on average how long does it take to have it issued? Thanks.
I am planning to take a trip from Oman to France with my Royal Enfield Himalayan. I have the bike registered as a 1000cc motorcycle under my name with the help of a police officer friend. The reason i did this is because expats in oman can only register motorcycle above or 1000cc. I want to know if this will cause a problem at the border customs of Iran, Turkey, Greece Borders. Bothcarnet and local registration say it is 1000cc. Please do help me in this regard.
Lying is never a good idea, and it's hard to know exactly what will happen. I think it's likely that if the registration and carnet both say 1000cc, then it will be accepted as that and it should be fine. Good luck and have a great trip!
So which is more of a pain for Australia: paying the newer-vehicle Carnet price OR having an older vehicle cleaned well enough to be allowed into the country?
Yeah, I saw that - my plan was to send over my next jeep (№6) when it was new to avoid the hassle of trying to clean №5 enough to get it past customs…but then I saw this video. Still, I'm an old man and want to spend the rest of my days overlanding in the same Jeep I drove across Australia. 😊🇦🇺
In Iran there is a guy named Hossein offering some sort of local CdP. Pretty expensive (he was asking for 600€) plus you have to exit a different border, otherwise valid for six days only. Eventually I obtained an official CdP in Germany from ADAC. Absolutely mandatory for Pakistan and India, from what I know. Finally a little moneysaver: You can massively underdeclare your car's value. No one ever cares.
Super interesting as usual. I am just starting the first steps, collecting money/income and information. I am although very used to off road driving and don't worry much about that part. But topic for video. Your drive, how many % on asphalt road, good gravel road, bad gravel road, sandy roads/trails, good dirt/mud trails and bad dirt/mud trails. And how many days on really tough off road trails. Also were there parts that you wanted to go, but didn't have the abilities to go? and if so, why?
It entirely depends where you are going in the world, and what kind of trip you want to have. You could stick to pavement 99% of the time in most of the world, or you could try really hard to avoid it, and find yourself in nasty mud or rocks or sand just five minutes from that pavement. It's up to you really.
@@TheRoadChoseMe I am looking at and thinking about your trip in Africa. I am sure you maxed the back land and interesting places. And I am looking only at Africa. I know you can travel the world on asphalt, but taking all interesting parks and bush land in your trip! It looks like something I would do similar, but store my vehicle along the way and finish it in several 6-8 month parts. I am thinking tires, vehicle, suspension, fuel & water range etc. And note, I am from Iceland and half of our roads outside cities and urban areas are without asphalt.
Tons of people overland all of Africa in the Land Cruiser 70 series. So a good solid 4x4 is all you need to get remote, which is exactly what I took with my Jeep. It took me everywhere I needed to go!
@@TheRoadChoseMe Thanks! this really told me more than you know. I guess Africa off road problems aren't anything like Arctic off road that I grew up with. Google "Iceland off road", click images and you will understand! And then ad "winter" in the search.... and see! My world past 25 years.... and 9 years before that, at the age of 13, I got bogged for the first time in old Ferguson farm tractor. Don't worry, I will not show up in Africa on 49" tires. Thanks for the videos, keep up the good work!
Hi, anybody know what deposits/fees are required to drive US plates temporarily in EU? Trying to negate paying any deposit based on vehicle value. Thanks
A deposit is at the discretion of the officer on arrival. I was lucky and didn't have to pay one at all. You'll have to figure it out at the time of arrival.
We are new'ish to the road, having been in Turkey and Georgia, now we have learned about the CDP, and we wanted to do Iran and Pakistan. Putting £160,000 in bond is out of the question, and it requires too much trust of our savings. We will try to get one in Tbilisi, and see what they charge. We were sooo looking forward to driving through Azerbaijan, Iran and Pakistan. OIt seems the poorer the country, the more they put us off financially from doing it...Very sad
I would probably end up not getting a Carnet for West Africa because I've heard some borders don't even know how to process them and I'm on a budget even though it only ends up being $2500 for my vehicle... But I'm looking to drive to Europe and then stay there.. So the vehicle wouldn't come back to South Africa, how would one go about getting your deposit back then?
That's a very big and difficult question and answer. Eventually if you're going to keep the vehicle in Europe you'll have to go through the process to import it - which is a massive ordeal. You'll have to pay import taxes and duties. It will have to pass crash safety. The steering wheel will need to be on the correct side , etc etc. Once it's finally legal in some country, you could get your deposit back, though I'm sure it will take some explaining!
@@TheRoadChoseMe I'm pretty lucky that the van I've got is already an import from germany and I've got some of the original German documentation for it so I believe importing it will be much easier aswell as import tax being cut by a lot as the vehicle is just returning to its country of origin. I've heard for those that risk traveling without the Carnet still have to pay a deposit at the boarder of entry but when you exit you have to collect your deposit at borders with certain ATMs.. Is that true?
Can I get a Carnet if my Land Rover has export number plate? I am retiring by end of 2020 and planning to drive from Saudi Arabia to UAE, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Myanmar, Thailand and Malaysia. I need to have an export plate because I am leaving Saudi for good.
OKAY! SO... If I can afford it and am only running the Pan American, Did you say it makes border crossings easier??? Like 5 mins vs. 6 hours??? or did I misunderstand?? AND Are you making any % of interest on your deposit??
@@TheRoadChoseMe yeah. No plans to drive thru Saudi until they sort a bunch of things out, shame because there's a lot to see & explore there, but once they do sort it out, I'll be across the border quick smart.
I have driven through Saudi multiple times and only got insurance at the border. My car is registered in kuwait. I didnt go to Africa though as it was to oman salalah. So I drove through uae as well. If your going through Saudi speak to a guy who has an Instagram account @gotroopy. He camped in saudi last February and came in from the uae
@@nasseral-momen1463 thanks habibi. I'll check it out - also can't wait for Oman to be open... looks like Dhofar (Salalah) & Masirah are still closed internally. Oman is having a rough time with C19...
Much, much less (because the motorcycle is worth less than a car), but it will vary depending on where you get the carnet, the actual value of the motorbike, and which countries you are going to.
THANK YOU! I was literally about to buy a Carnet these days for a trip down the west coast of Africa. Here in Norway 5 pages cost €325, 10 pages €400 and 25 pages €475. But with a minimum of €5000 deposit. One question: what to do if you enter a country where a Carnet is _recommended_ and the customs find out you have a Carnet (eg only 5 page)? Will they force you to use it or can you still try to get a TIP?
I don't believe they can force you to use it. And they'll never find it if you don't tell them about it. If your vehicle is more than 5 years old you might have a hard time getting into Senegal (very corrupt border).. you'll get in, but expect to pay a large bribe. Newer than 5 years is no problem.
@@TheRoadChoseMe thanks a lot for the answer😊👍 If I decide to go without a Carnet I'll skip Senegal. But then i need to find a route through Mali. And I'll also have to skip several of the other countries on the west coast. Maybe a Carnet is an easier solution after all..
did you spend alot of time in mexico/central america? seems like a great place for diving/swimming/caving locations but the northamerican media certainly portray it as a giant cartel killing grounds... oddly enough im more worried about my vehicles safety than my own, a stolen vehicle at gun point would really put an end to the overlanding lifestyle
I spent almost a year in Mexico & Central America and absolutely loved it. If you want real information, don't listen to the media, talk to real people that have done it recently. Plenty of forums and FB groups of overlanders scattered all throughout Central America right now!
@@TheRoadChoseMe forsure! happen to have a favorite/memorable spot in mexico off the top of your head? also enjoying the rapid fire uploads lately you must be putting in 40hours a week at this!
Interesting topic however seen from a totally N-American view point! General point, the cars registration is the fact which determines from where the Carney has to be gotten! In Europe / the world less the Americas a Carney is a "normal" thing and can be gotten from the Automobil club (one of them) of the country of registration! The deposit depends on the countries intended to travel to or through! In Europe no-one actually deposits at amount of money, everyone takes out an insurance which is well below 500€ for normal overlander vehicle like a LR of Jeep. Egypt is an interesting case and your temporary import permit a very surprising issue - I would actually appreciate any and all information on it - Arabic being no problem - since I lived in ET for 9 years as the Austrian consul. The very important note concerning ET is the fact that import customs fees for cars are very.high and therefore also the free due if the vehicle does not leave ET! If your vehicle gets stolen or burns the fees will still have to be paid - police report of not! The only way out of it is if you can manage to "give" it to the ET-customs! They however will accept this only delivered to one of their custom-courts! "My car is 300km into the desert ....." will not be accepted! PS I've been in Saudi in February with Jordanian-registered car - no Carney needed! Same for a Dutch-registered LR!
@VolDep45 why would I need to make a video to be judged by you or anyone else? My points were explaining and supporting the very interesting information he - according to his accent from Australia - gave from his point of view!
In theory yes, but the problem is that in many countries in the world you can't register and insure a vehicle in your name because you are just a tourist, not a citizen. Even when you can, sometimes you're not allowed to take that vehicle out of that country as just a tourist. Also you might still need a Carnet to get into a neighbouring country!
a 1500$ fee to file some paperwork.. no risk to them youre putting up a full deposit.. just doesnt make sense only reason they can do it is because their target market (overlanders) are so niche theres not enough demand for anyone to undercut them also i dont understand how they can work if you can claim your vehicle was stolen, the sellers theyre trying to stop can just sell the vehicle and claim it stolen, atleast in the looser countries that locals dont register/license vehicles with VINs
Yes, the fees are horrendous. For the stolen vehicle case it takes a LONG time and is a pain in the backside. It's not something you'd do willingly, because you might not get your deposit back.
When I went to the US as a student in J1 VISA some years ago, 1500$ is also what I paid in various fees (not even the visa itself) for things like "being registered in a database" so I'd say this can of "no choice" fee does not surprise me for the US, business is business.
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I forgot to mention a Carnet is also MANDATORY for Saudi Arabia, so you can't take the ferry from Sudan to the middle east without one!
That ferry from Sudan wich Port arrives? Pakistán?
From Sudan to Saudi Arabia. Overlanders take it all the time.
love your series. question, did you make a video on medical preparedness/emergencies?? if you did,could you provide a link and if not, why not???....lol. in my long years on this planet, i've never needed any emergency medical services (lucky me) but sitting behind a desk for 8 hrs per day is quite different than 8 hrs on the road, where shit can happen. just asking, thanks.
Also on the carnet de passage a frequent strategy is to use/buy an older vehicle and even if you have a ton of $$ in maintenance/customization/overlanding stuff on it you can register it for a far lower value in the carnet.
This is why my Cherokee is a 1985 model.
In Slovenia 5-page carnet costs only 150€ and no deposit required. I'm so happy I live here. We do have other issues here thou :D
I must say, one of the BEST videos I have seen on RUclips in regards to Carnet De Passage. Very clear and articulated. Well done.
Wow, thank you!
Espacially the clear information about westafrika is gold for me. Thank you very much. I will try it without a carnet.
Incredibly helpful as we plan our own international overlanding adventures. Thank you so much! Your channel has been incredly helpful and we're only a few videos in! :)
Happy to help!
Very useful information. I wanted to transit a VW van to iran to camp and see my own country. I now realise that it is more difficult than I thought. I think it is easier to buy an old van in Iran and put up with the repair problems that it may cause than going through the beurocrcy of transiting automobile and using Carnet. Thanks for video. Have fun✌🏼🌈🌹
Brilliantly explained. This video will be godsend for many people who haven't yet figured things out.
It's a big hurdle to navigate, and I think it's one of the reasons people shy away from going globally.
Egypt requires a 200% deposit, not 800% (AA south africa). Getting a carnet is SA is a pain though because the deposit is done in SA Rand, which is prone to devaluation, meaning your deposit is worth less at the end of your trip. It is possible to get an Egyptian carnet that is valid in other African countries (there are 3 providers in Cairo). The cost for a 12 page carnet is approx 200 USD and the deposit is "negotiable". I paid 50% value of the car in cash deposit for a car which had South African license plates. Kenya TIP is limited to 15 days, so is possible to cross without carnet, but just a shame not to be able to stay longer. Travel safe!
I extended my 15 day Kenyan tip for another 15 days, easy in Customs in Nairobi.
I just been quoted by CARS in the UK for a deposit of 88%! This is for a 2012 old car worth £12K which to be honest I was surprised as I have also heard lots of rumours about Egypt ranging from 800-200%. I have also heard about the Egyptian tripque, I have a good Egyptian friend in Cairo and he is going to ask all the details for me this week.
Step-by-step information will definitely be helpful for those planning to travel in their own vehicle.
Great info Dan!
Critical and complex topic very pragmatically explained. Thanks a lot..
Great advice. I can tell ur a legend . Keep it up mate
Great info, absolutely packed and concise - Thank you.
You are a genius Dan, I can listen to u all day long. I just bought a vw westfalia in Nigeria, I live the UK, I plan to drive it from Nigeria up to the uk next year. I will use the t.i.p
Awesome, have a great trip!
@@TheRoadChoseMe...thank u
Good information. That $1,500 fee just for the paperwork in the USA was really eye opening. Also, was not aware this was an issue for Australia. I'm going to start out with North America where I don't have to worry about a Carnet and then go from there.
All of Central and South America too you can forget about it!
Very eye opening video. Thank you for this. Was unaware of this system prior to it.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I have long wondered about the how and why’s, especially for Africa. Great video 👍🏻
Happy to hear it was helpful! They're super confusing in general, and I wish the whole system would get a massive overhaul!
Very informative and extremely well explained ..... 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks again for all the great information.
Dan has yet again provided some gold dust info for overlanders.
I would pick out just a couple of points from his video.
Firstly, the cost of the carnet and the deposit / insurance bond is directly linked to the value of the vehicle, and spectacularly so if the deposit / bond is some multiplier >1. Hence there's a big advantage in driving an older vehicle which has a low market value. My 30 year old Defender would be declared at scrap value in most countries and hence the carnet is affordable :-) There are other advantages in taking an older 4x4 on these trips but this isn't the place to expound them.
Secondly, Dan correctly identifies that import requirements at ports and at land borders can be very different even in the same country. It is especially important to get everything sorted in advance when a container is arriving because it becomes very expensive if there are any delays. You typically get 5 days in which to turn around a container from the moment of arrival and after that there will be rental payments on a steeply accelerating scale, plus port charges, demurrage, penalties, you name it. In some countries corrupt agents and customs officials will use this to pressure the vehicle owner to make extra payments. The mere threat of delaying a container by a few weeks will cause some owners to panic.
Even with a carnet my container was unexpectedly delayed by 2+ weeks when entering Malaysia recently. This was due to ignorance and poor communications rather than corruption. If anyone is interested I tell the story at
ruclips.net/video/1VoPyt0ZBqE/видео.html
By contrast, on the return journey my container was through Felixstowe port in the UK less than 12 hours after the huge vessel docked. That's how it should work.
V helpful bro, thanks!
Thanks for sharing this . Very informative and useful information , thanks again . From Steve Stott in Sutherlin Oregon U.S.A.
Great video. Close to what i was expecting!
Your exactly the kinda man I was looking for. Really great info, youre clearing up a lot for me.
Glad I could help
Great video again. Usefull! I thought it was quite okay from Morocco to Congo but it was necessary for South Africa. Something learned again.
Great video with so much info. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Godsend. Thanks! Vini from Brasil.
These is really really a Big question Mark thx for the video 😉👌🏻
My pleasure!
It is very easy to get a carnet in Australia as long as your vehicule is registered in Australia. You don’t have to put a bond, for a motorcycle I pay around $200 for an insurance that covers the bond for a year. The total cost of the carnet is $1500 but you get $500 back when the bike returns. I got one in 2017 then another one in 2018. No issues at all.
Good to know! I'd be interested to know how much it costs for a 4x4 work $20k or $40k.
The Road Chose Me , The Road Chose Me, to be honest I don’t think the value of the vehicle makes a difference, the insurance might cost more for a car though, I don’t know how much more.
It surely does. All the issuing authorities around the world base everything around the value of the vehicle and the countries you're going to, because that's the size of the liability they're taking on.
Thanks for that info. Very informative, but at the same time very confusing. If the goal is to travel the globe I would assume a Carnet is a must as some countries require it, and you wouldn’t want to be stuck on some border because you don’t have one. You either need a Carnet or TIP to enter any country, is that correct? It’s one or the other? How is it different to a Temporary Import Permit? Is a TIP purchased on demand when entering a country as opposed to paying an initial deposit for the Carnet? You mentioned the Carnet can be extended while on the road, is that a one off or can it be repeated indefinitely? You also mentioned that a Carnet can only be issued where the car is registered, so would someone be able to get around the high deposit fees some countries charge, by buying a car in a country with cheaper fees (such as Australia)? In essence a foreigner buys a car in Australia to get the Australian Carnet. Cheers, Damar
Nice video. There's literally not much info on this. I thought of taking my car to birth country (bangladesh). But most people says no because of bureaucracy and tax. Costs from north america is just not worth it. Thankfully no need to do it when driving throughout America. And hope to stay that way forever.
Ohhhh, a subject I can opine on, yay!
Thanx for that. Very informative 👍
In kuwait if i want to travel to egypt i buy trip-tic by 120$ only
If i want the whole middle east ( excluding egypt ) it rounds about 120$ also
Not sure if this treptic is capable to enter europe or no, i saw a vlog about a kuwaiti guy overlander entered romania from turkey and he had slight struggle on the borders
Nice! I think that's a special thing because your vehicle is registered in Kuwait. I don't think people with vehicles registered in the rest of the world can do that
Thank you! That was very helpful! We are planning a MC trip through Africa starting in January and this carnet stuff is confusing. When did you go through Africa? Any idea if it will even be possible to do after Corona?
I started in mid 2016 and finished in early 2019.
I'm sure travel will eventually get back to some kind of "normal", the question is when.
super helpful! thank you!
Brilliant video, yet again. Thank you!
Curious, is it entirely possible to purchase an overlander in South Africa and get a Carnet for travel from South Africa to India as a US citizen? I've read mixed field notes on whether or not it's possible to obtain a Carnet in SA as a foreigner, and for many reasons, it makes more sense to purchase an overlander on the continent rather than import. Any advice or tips would be MUCH appreciated!
You certainly CAN buy the vehicle (you have a to get a South African ID number to be able to register it in your name...) it takes time and is a pain but it can be done.
As for the carnet, that kind of thing changes all the time. You would be able to get one from the USA issuer, probably. Or maybe Switzerland (NOT cheap). If you're prepared to persevere, you'll get it done.
Well done! Excellent information!
You can also import your vehicle in your end destination pay all legal taxes and have the Carnet stamped. This will get you your money back as well.
NICE WORK! Excellent information.... would you please guide us a little how to do carnet from China to Pakistan
Useful information. where can one apply 4 Carnet de passage.
Thanks
It depends where you live, and where the vehicle is registered. Usually the motoring authority of your country
It would be really helpful another video about roro freight shipping and how to make It succesfull. Theres not much information or videos explaining that. Thx Dan
That video is coming on Monday, I'm editing it up right now!
Wow, US$ 1500 for a CDP is really expensive. Incredible. Feels like getting ripped off!
Here in Switzerland we get it for about US$ 230 (or 640 for vehicles, which are nor registered in the country). So better apply here in Switzerland :-)
Could you please double check your statement that foreign registered cars can get a CDP in CH!!! It would go against all the rules I know!
I once got a CDP from RO for my CD-plated car from the RO automobile club but paied the automobil club in Austria which in turn guaranteed the deposit to the club in RO! All this due to the fact that the car would be reregistered in Egypt and I nor the car would return to RO! The CDP for the RO registered vehicle however had to come from RO. Thank you
Thanks again for great information
You bet!
For Turkey you do not need a Carnet, but you will NOT leave the country without your vehicle - all border posts are linked up, it's also stamped in your passport. If you break down and the parts will take too long, load it up and ship it out.
How did you find the egyptian guy to help you out? Are there places online where you can get in touch with locals that know how to do the paperwork and such?
If you're serious about doing the trip you'll be in Facebook Groups and online forums where you can find the info. I'm reluctant to post his phone number here because I don't want him to get bombarded.
@@TheRoadChoseMe I was not asking for your guy specifically, just in general how to get in contact with people that know how to do the tricky stuff. Thanks for the answer anyway.
@@TheRoadChoseMe Good response, I have found a guy who might be able to do the job but I really had to do a lot of work and searching on online forums etc.
Hi Dan, thx been waiting for this video. I need to go to Ethiopia but threw Kenya. According to the AA we need a Carne for Kenya. But will keep watching. Many thx. Blessings
The AA will tell you a Carnet is mandatory for a bunch of countries it isn't.
In fact many places say you need one for Cameroon, but when you actually get to Cameroon and talk to customs, they don't even accept the Carnet De Passage!
It's all a bit of a gong show, but as I said if you can get one cheaply and easily, you may as well.
@@TheRoadChoseMe Hi morning my friend, many many thx for your feedback and videos, it is very informative.
Have a awesome weekend
13:32 and they make you change your license plates, too
And in the Sinai peninsula there are restrictions on the type of vehicles that can cross (from Israel) so no diesel, no 4*4, no motorcycles
And recently they banned the use of dashcams, which are popular in Israel
You wanna cross into Sinai with your car? take out the dashcam
looking forward to this...
Do you think the deposit will be expensive if decided to drive thru Iran ? I am actually planning to bring my Georgian Mercedes Benz to Saudi Arabia thru Armenia-Iran-UAE. The cost of my car in Georgia is around 25K USD. Looking for your advice
You'll have to talk to the Automobile association in whatever country is going to issue the Carnet and go from there.
An old world bureaucratic nightmare~ True!!
Legend thank Zhou so much 🎉
Interesting video. I am from Malta (EU) and the local customs (with whom I work) don't issue carnet so I am assuming that I have to do it elsewhere online. May I know on average how long does it take to have it issued? Thanks.
It depends entirely on where you get it, how you choose to pay the bond, etc. etc. Contact places now and start getting the info from them
Very informative, thanks Dan. Just wondering, does every country that requires a Carnet issue a temporary one (like Egypt)? thanks
No, absolutely not. It's a very rare and very difficult thing to organize. I would not rely on it.
I am planning to take a trip from Oman to France with my Royal Enfield Himalayan.
I have the bike registered as a 1000cc motorcycle under my name with the help of a police officer friend.
The reason i did this is because expats in oman can only register motorcycle above or 1000cc.
I want to know if this will cause a problem at the border customs of Iran, Turkey, Greece Borders. Bothcarnet and local registration say it is 1000cc.
Please do help me in this regard.
Lying is never a good idea, and it's hard to know exactly what will happen.
I think it's likely that if the registration and carnet both say 1000cc, then it will be accepted as that and it should be fine. Good luck and have a great trip!
I drove to Malaysia via Iran without Carnet. By Road to Malaysia
So which is more of a pain for Australia: paying the newer-vehicle Carnet price OR having an older vehicle cleaned well enough to be allowed into the country?
Both / All! ruclips.net/video/idx2qGi3MCw/видео.html
Yeah, I saw that - my plan was to send over my next jeep (№6) when it was new to avoid the hassle of trying to clean №5 enough to get it past customs…but then I saw this video. Still, I'm an old man and want to spend the rest of my days overlanding in the same Jeep I drove across Australia. 😊🇦🇺
it's possible to travel thru Central Asia without a carnet and for Iran you could get TIP with the help of local agent
What about India/Pakistan?
In Iran there is a guy named Hossein offering some sort of local CdP. Pretty expensive (he was asking for 600€) plus you have to exit a different border, otherwise valid for six days only. Eventually I obtained an official CdP in Germany from ADAC. Absolutely mandatory for Pakistan and India, from what I know. Finally a little moneysaver: You can massively underdeclare your car's value. No one ever cares.
Great advice, thankyou!
What about car insurance for worldwide travel?
I talk about that in this video ruclips.net/video/wPgKW0F3jFA/видео.html
Super interesting as usual. I am just starting the first steps, collecting money/income and information. I am although very used to off road driving and don't worry much about that part. But topic for video. Your drive, how many % on asphalt road, good gravel road, bad gravel road, sandy roads/trails, good dirt/mud trails and bad dirt/mud trails. And how many days on really tough off road trails. Also were there parts that you wanted to go, but didn't have the abilities to go? and if so, why?
and also is there lot of sharp stone trails? the tire cutting type.
It entirely depends where you are going in the world, and what kind of trip you want to have. You could stick to pavement 99% of the time in most of the world, or you could try really hard to avoid it, and find yourself in nasty mud or rocks or sand just five minutes from that pavement. It's up to you really.
@@TheRoadChoseMe I am looking at and thinking about your trip in Africa. I am sure you maxed the back land and interesting places. And I am looking only at Africa. I know you can travel the world on asphalt, but taking all interesting parks and bush land in your trip! It looks like something I would do similar, but store my vehicle along the way and finish it in several 6-8 month parts. I am thinking tires, vehicle, suspension, fuel & water range etc. And note, I am from Iceland and half of our roads outside cities and urban areas are without asphalt.
Tons of people overland all of Africa in the Land Cruiser 70 series. So a good solid 4x4 is all you need to get remote, which is exactly what I took with my Jeep. It took me everywhere I needed to go!
@@TheRoadChoseMe Thanks! this really told me more than you know. I guess Africa off road problems aren't anything like Arctic off road that I grew up with. Google "Iceland off road", click images and you will understand! And then ad "winter" in the search.... and see! My world past 25 years.... and 9 years before that, at the age of 13, I got bogged for the first time in old Ferguson farm tractor. Don't worry, I will not show up in Africa on 49" tires. Thanks for the videos, keep up the good work!
Really helpful
Glad it helped
Hi, anybody know what deposits/fees are required to drive US plates temporarily in EU? Trying to negate paying any deposit based on vehicle value. Thanks
A deposit is at the discretion of the officer on arrival. I was lucky and didn't have to pay one at all. You'll have to figure it out at the time of arrival.
We are new'ish to the road, having been in Turkey and Georgia, now we have learned about the CDP, and we wanted to do Iran and Pakistan. Putting £160,000 in bond is out of the question, and it requires too much trust of our savings. We will try to get one in Tbilisi, and see what they charge. We were sooo looking forward to driving through Azerbaijan, Iran and Pakistan. OIt seems the poorer the country, the more they put us off financially from doing it...Very sad
Find a country that will let you take an insurance policy against the amount, so you don't have to actually put that amount into bond!
Are motorcycles required to have one too in the places that require one?
Yes, absolutely.
who's your contact for Egypt?
Hi, how did you find this guy that made CDP in Egypt for $500?
Thanks!
Welcome!
Welcome 2 free market!
I would probably end up not getting a Carnet for West Africa because I've heard some borders don't even know how to process them and I'm on a budget even though it only ends up being $2500 for my vehicle... But I'm looking to drive to Europe and then stay there.. So the vehicle wouldn't come back to South Africa, how would one go about getting your deposit back then?
That's a very big and difficult question and answer. Eventually if you're going to keep the vehicle in Europe you'll have to go through the process to import it - which is a massive ordeal. You'll have to pay import taxes and duties. It will have to pass crash safety. The steering wheel will need to be on the correct side , etc etc.
Once it's finally legal in some country, you could get your deposit back, though I'm sure it will take some explaining!
@@TheRoadChoseMe I'm pretty lucky that the van I've got is already an import from germany and I've got some of the original German documentation for it so I believe importing it will be much easier aswell as import tax being cut by a lot as the vehicle is just returning to its country of origin.
I've heard for those that risk traveling without the Carnet still have to pay a deposit at the boarder of entry but when you exit you have to collect your deposit at borders with certain ATMs.. Is that true?
It varies by country, and the officer to speak to on the day. Without a carnet is a bit more hit and miss than with one
Can I get a Carnet if my Land Rover has export number plate? I am retiring by end of 2020 and planning to drive from Saudi Arabia to UAE, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Myanmar, Thailand and Malaysia. I need to have an export plate because I am leaving Saudi for good.
You'll have to ask whoever issues Carnets in Saudi about that
What abt Asia do we need carnet there ?
It varies greatly by country, but usually for a trans-asia trip you can't do it without one.
You should drive to Alaska (Or B.C.) then ship to Russia and drive through Asia and Europe.
It's on my list, though unfortunately there's no shipping from AK to Russia.. it's a long and complicated route! But yes, one of these days !
What would happen if your vehicle was stolen or written -off , while travelling !!
You get a police report explaining that, and you can get the carnet released and your bond returned.
OKAY! SO... If I can afford it and am only running the Pan American, Did you say it makes border crossings easier??? Like 5 mins vs. 6 hours??? or did I misunderstand?? AND Are you making any % of interest on your deposit??
No country on the Pan Am accepts the Carnet de Passage - you will absolutely not need one, and it won't help. Forget about it!
@@TheRoadChoseMe Gracias!!!
Great - So sounds like Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania from the UAE won't be too much of a drama :-) Now for corona virus to go away and borders to open...
You might want to check on UAE - and you absolutely MUST have one for Saudi Arabia, and the usual way across is the ferry from Sudan through Saudi.
@@TheRoadChoseMe yeah. No plans to drive thru Saudi until they sort a bunch of things out, shame because there's a lot to see & explore there, but once they do sort it out, I'll be across the border quick smart.
I have driven through Saudi multiple times and only got insurance at the border. My car is registered in kuwait. I didnt go to Africa though as it was to oman salalah. So I drove through uae as well. If your going through Saudi speak to a guy who has an Instagram account @gotroopy. He camped in saudi last February and came in from the uae
@@nasseral-momen1463 thanks habibi. I'll check it out - also can't wait for Oman to be open... looks like Dhofar (Salalah) & Masirah are still closed internally. Oman is having a rough time with C19...
Same amount will cost in india too ... I think more tgan 1500$ ..!
How much for a Motorcycle?
Much, much less (because the motorcycle is worth less than a car), but it will vary depending on where you get the carnet, the actual value of the motorbike, and which countries you are going to.
@@TheRoadChoseMe thank you for replying. Very useful information 👍👍👍
What about getting constantly stopped by the police in foreign countries with your home country plates?
It's not really a big deal. I covered extortion in this video - ruclips.net/video/IOljPXY0Smg/видео.html and there's a part 2 as well
The Road Chose Me A European plated car in the US is sure to get repeatedly stopped by State cops? No?
No, not necessarily. Many hundreds of people do it every year.
The Road Chose Me What is the cost shipping one way between Europe and the US or vice versa?
That video is coming on Monday!
Wow ,
THANK YOU! I was literally about to buy a Carnet these days for a trip down the west coast of Africa. Here in Norway 5 pages cost €325, 10 pages €400 and 25 pages €475. But with a minimum of €5000 deposit.
One question: what to do if you enter a country where a Carnet is _recommended_ and the customs find out you have a Carnet (eg only 5 page)? Will they force you to use it or can you still try to get a TIP?
I don't believe they can force you to use it. And they'll never find it if you don't tell them about it. If your vehicle is more than 5 years old you might have a hard time getting into Senegal (very corrupt border).. you'll get in, but expect to pay a large bribe. Newer than 5 years is no problem.
@@TheRoadChoseMe thanks a lot for the answer😊👍 If I decide to go without a Carnet I'll skip Senegal. But then i need to find a route through Mali. And I'll also have to skip several of the other countries on the west coast. Maybe a Carnet is an easier solution after all..
You don't need to skip any, you can do all without a carnet, but it is harder for sure.
Russia, Nordics and Europe you don't need a Carnét.
did you spend alot of time in mexico/central america? seems like a great place for diving/swimming/caving locations but the northamerican media certainly portray it as a giant cartel killing grounds... oddly enough im more worried about my vehicles safety than my own, a stolen vehicle at gun point would really put an end to the overlanding lifestyle
I spent almost a year in Mexico & Central America and absolutely loved it.
If you want real information, don't listen to the media, talk to real people that have done it recently. Plenty of forums and FB groups of overlanders scattered all throughout Central America right now!
@@TheRoadChoseMe forsure! happen to have a favorite/memorable spot in mexico off the top of your head?
also enjoying the rapid fire uploads lately you must be putting in 40hours a week at this!
I was in Mexico over a decade ago.. I'm sure it's a whole new world now. Have a look in ioverlander to see how many great places there are!
Interesting topic however seen from a totally N-American view point!
General point, the cars registration is the fact which determines from where the Carney has to be gotten! In Europe / the world less the Americas a Carney is a "normal" thing and can be gotten from the Automobil club (one of them) of the country of registration! The deposit depends on the countries intended to travel to or through! In Europe no-one actually deposits at amount of money, everyone takes out an insurance which is well below 500€ for normal overlander vehicle like a LR of Jeep.
Egypt is an interesting case and your temporary import permit a very surprising issue - I would actually appreciate any and all information on it - Arabic being no problem - since I lived in ET for 9 years as the Austrian consul. The very important note concerning ET is the fact that import customs fees for cars are very.high and therefore also the free due if the vehicle does not leave ET! If your vehicle gets stolen or burns the fees will still have to be paid - police report of not! The only way out of it is if you can manage to "give" it to the ET-customs! They however will accept this only delivered to one of their custom-courts! "My car is 300km into the desert ....." will not be accepted!
PS I've been in Saudi in February with Jordanian-registered car - no Carney needed! Same for a Dutch-registered LR!
@VolDep45 why would I need to make a video to be judged by you or anyone else? My points were explaining and supporting the very interesting information he - according to his accent from Australia - gave from his point of view!
New Zealand carnets are quite cheap comparatively
But I'm sure you can only get one for vehicles registered in NZ, and you probably have to have an NZ passport.
@@TheRoadChoseMe yes I think it only for NZ cars, lucky for kiwis tho
What about buying a car locally. Say box up your critical gear and ship it to the capital. Buy a vehicle and off you go?
In theory yes, but the problem is that in many countries in the world you can't register and insure a vehicle in your name because you are just a tourist, not a citizen. Even when you can, sometimes you're not allowed to take that vehicle out of that country as just a tourist. Also you might still need a Carnet to get into a neighbouring country!
I think that might be a better idea for somewhere like Australia ,Canada and USA but not so much for Africa , Europe and Asia.
a 1500$ fee to file some paperwork.. no risk to them youre putting up a full deposit.. just doesnt make sense only reason they can do it is because their target market (overlanders) are so niche theres not enough demand for anyone to undercut them
also i dont understand how they can work if you can claim your vehicle was stolen, the sellers theyre trying to stop can just sell the vehicle and claim it stolen, atleast in the looser countries that locals dont register/license vehicles with VINs
Yes, the fees are horrendous.
For the stolen vehicle case it takes a LONG time and is a pain in the backside. It's not something you'd do willingly, because you might not get your deposit back.
When I went to the US as a student in J1 VISA some years ago, 1500$ is also what I paid in various fees (not even the visa itself) for things like "being registered in a database" so I'd say this can of "no choice" fee does not surprise me for the US, business is business.
well eff Egypt
Very Cheap for Australian Registered Motor. Only $1420.00 AU all up with the $500 bond.
Maybe you need a AU registered Jeep.
But with the steering wheel on the wrong side there are countries I can't go to!
@@TheRoadChoseMe That's interesting. Like to know which ones.If it does not contain spoilers of your next trip.
I'll do a video about why RHD is not a great choice for global overlanding
Sorry Carney should be Carnet*
Extortion to you but a tip to them. I will rather pay the $20 to get a TIP
I could not concentrate on the content as I was just focused on the jaw moving so much while the rest of the body does not. Also please shoot on 24/30 fps and not higher.