The Core Truths about Palestine & Israel
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this episode of Occupied Thoughts, FMEP Fellow Peter Beinart speaks with writer Ahmed Moor about why Israel/Palestine is not exceptional, why Palestinians turn to armed resistance, and why neither Palestinians nor Jewish Israelis will leave the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea.
Ahmed Moor is Palestinian-American writer who was born and raised in Gaza. He is co-editor of the book After Zionism: One State for Israel & Palestine.
Peter Beinart is a Non-Resident Fellow at the Foundation for Middle East Peace. He is also a Professor of Journalism and Political Science at the City University of New York, a Contributing opinion writer at the New York Times, an Editor-at-Large at Jewish Currents, and an MSNBC Political Commentator.
Sharing is caring! Empathy is the real superpower! Global solidarity! Thank you.
Excellent , Intelligent discussion .🙏
Both of you possess great understanding of the dynamics and political realities , combined with balance , compassion , and a desire for solution .
Unfortunately too rare in public and media voices .
Thank you !
This is very informative analysis thank you both for providing perspective to your viewers..
I lost ahmed when said Hamas resorted to terrorism.
I don't think Hamas ever offered a peace agreement, or any sort of long term cooporation plane. Neither did the plo.
So it did not resort to terrorism, it chose nothing else, building infrastructure for decades designed to start a war and end jewish existence in the levant.
When the Palestinian man says Hamas are not terrorists and just want land etc and mentions their 2017 charter, isn't that charter the one that calls for the destruction of all Jews???
No, this is the 1980 charter. I confess I never read this one and I'm not sure it calls for the destruction of all Jews. However, it seems there is a consensus it had a very antisemitic language.
Exactly. This guy is using his Gaza access card as if it means he has a better understanding of the situation. Equal rights, empathy? Have these two guys been living on the moon for the last 80 years?
@@borginzthe last 80 years ?
Sounds like where you are living .
The present and the future ?
Israel ( and you ) are going to have to adapt and change .
These two men recognize that and are having a constructive conversation.
You should be open to change or prepared to be left behind .
@@GardenerGeorgewhere’s your call for the Palestinians to change? Their education system is focused around war, genocide, and revenge. The Israeli education system is focused around peace and reconciliation.
The reason the Israeli left no longer exists is because Israelis got a river of blood every time they extended their hand in peace.
This is fantastic. Thank you both for this frank and compassionate conversation.
The truth is you need mutual respect and equality for all.
But not in the same country
Thank you for introducing me to Ahmed Moor, this interview was powerful. His argument to de-exceptionalize the conflict is so important, and I haven’t heard it explained this clearly and persuasively by anyone before. His ability to critically examine the most difficult questions, while resisting the temptation to dehumanize is monumental. It gives me hope in these horrendous times.
Absolutely brilliant conversation. Thank you for the honest and heartfelt discussion. I missed the names of the people Ahmed mentioned to refer to for further info. About 43:15...can someone enlighten me. I think I got Sarah Roy...but who were the others. Thanks in advance.
Such a great, enlightening and insightful conversation. Thank you. Could you write down the names of authors Ahmed recommended?
The one name who I’m familiar with is Mehdi Hasan. He Has a RUclips news program called Zeteo.
Wow, he comes right out of the box with 2 huge fallacies. 1. The conflict is unique. It’s a conflict involving religious holy land, some claimed by both. 2. Its coverage inversely outsizes that of other conflcits compared to the land involved and population; 3. The UN was instrumental in the creation of the initial boundaries; 4. The conflict began in earnest ever since the UN created Israel.
Next your wrong about Hamas. The argument that Hamas uses terrorism as a tool and thus they are not inherently “evil” is as odd as it is a misstatement of the issue.
Terrorism is a tool of force implemented by killing your opponent without a definable set of rules. Terrorism is abhorrent to a civilized society. Civilization has slowly refined itself over the centuries in many ways. One of which is to resolve conflict between humans without force by using the adherence to rules. Bluntly, terrorism is getting your way through murder, the ultimate price. Terrorism, in my opinion, is also uncivilized, as it kills through betrayal and deceit. It takes advantage of civilization by pretending to be part of it to disguise itself and then kill. Terrorism also preys upon the innocent including those it claims to be fighting for.
How could anyone accept a terroristic group into civilization by this method. Are we to accept terrorism as just another tool of warfare? The people who speak so highly of Hamas have also used the claim of war crime against others.
Even in civilization up to this point war happens. But even in that awful act rules are set up. Geneva conventions. Terrorists abide by no set of rules, not even Geneva conventions. Nothing.
I would have a more open ear towards their goals if they weren’t terrorists. And even tho they are terrorists, I still think about the abstract principles of the right and wrong the underpins their fight.
But I cannot nor will I ever support a group who lacks basic civility. Who is so selfish as to put their wants above societies basic norms. Killing, kidnapping and other atrocities because a group is upset they aren’t getting their way is a disgusting display of inhumanity.
Free Palestine! Thank you for introducing us to new ideas coming from Palestinians! Justice to all!
Arabism's empire of colonial settlers, occupies, North Africa and Southwest Asia -Mideast nations.
30:00 In a conscription state the only non-combatants are children (and the otherwise exempt)
Quite helpful for American perspectives
You can't advocate for equal rights and in the next breath create obligations for people to pay 'taxes' as Ahmed suggests at 7:20 unless certain people are more equal and have more rights than others which is an irrational idea.
In the beginning of this conversation as Israeli I really hoped to hear some things that make sense and after 10 minutes of watching I could hear same propaganda again. Waste of time.
USA was better at killing the natives so they din't have the same issue?
Nope.
There IS definitely a current segregation of the indigenous peoples of America, so is there in Canada. It is NOT a gone issue. The difference is that the power imbalance between the groups are vastly different. Indigenous people in North America have next to nothing, and a fair size of their small numbers live in the streets of the big cities, and are often seen as alcoholic, lazy, etc. Which is wrong.
I am Canadian.
Arabist empire occupied North Africa and Southwest Asia -Mideast nations, is the context.