Thank you... Just found your videos and..... I'm sold! Getting rid of the Disco 4 (with the same dodgy mech. as the RR Sport) and trading up to a Y62! Question on auto levelling air suspension in the To models, will this need upgrading to tow a 3t van? Thanks again, great content.
Good one. There's so much diesel snobbery out there. I drive a Toyota FJ Cruiser and as you know there's no diesel option, but I wouldn't want diesel anyway. In sand it's unstoppable, and petrol is the preferred engine for sand anyway. On the highway, I've seen averages of 20/100 but that's absolutely flogging it - cruising at 150k - it'll do it easily enough or faster, but fuel economy drops off really quickly. On the sand, depending in how you drive, it could be anywhere north of 20, but in the dunes we drive, I'd be very surprised to see any diesel get up them - just not enough power, and if they did, their fuel economy would be just as bad or worse.
Just a quick Q... how are you finding it on the juice?! Just kidding :) I just bought the series 4 Ti and I absolutely love it. But I still love my fully decked out 76 series landcruiser. I think I have the best of both worlds!
Just for curiosity, do you know the fuel consumption in off road terrain? In my case, I have 2 Ford Super Duty's, one with the 5.4 2v petrol and the other one with the 6.0 diesel, I can tell you that with our average city speeds (20km/h) they get 26-27l/100km. P.D. : I have a Suzuki Alto 800 for daily use, 5l/100km, so no problem at all 🤣🤣 Edit: greetings from Costa Rica, really great videos, thank you for sharing them.
Odd that you get 20L/100km towing your 2tonne popper. I towed a 2 tonne MDC camper from Mandurah WA to Darwin and averaged 15L/100km at speed limit (100kmh) and that is taking into consideration no 95 octane available for 1000km in the Kimberly.. I was super impressed. Admittedly I had 33" tyres and only a steel bar on the front, standard height and no roof rack. Regardless, stoked with the economy and power of the car. 60 meter road trains were a blur as I squirted past them with ease.
Hi Everybody l Own a Y62 til and Drive it on the Highway and around town and it gets 13.3 L /100 it has Stock tyres and it has a ARB Bullbar The Car Flys and is Comfortable as Lets Say l had it up to well in Excess of 150kms a hour and Went around a Truck at 148kms a hour Its a 4 *4 You Can Get addicted to the Power of the 4*4 but You Can Clock up a lot of Demit points fast or lose a License being Lucky had No Probloms with it So far and it has 30000km on it the weather rain plastic side Sheilds which Came with The Car are Crap .!!.had on Came apart and Fly off .!!.but the Y62 is Fantasic Car easily Go around The Big Lap of Australia.!!.just Need the time.!!.
With diesels you can drop ur speed to hit ur sweet spot on rpm and u stay fuel economic but with petrol u have to stay higher rpm to get ur tourqe for hills but I do like the y62 but I do think a diesel would bring in a whole new level of awesome and they would be a lot more popular as tow rigs
Yeah but petrol don’t give you stomach cancer. The diesel exhaust particulates are too fine for your body to expel hence Japan phasing our diesels and Europe is following suit. No more diesel in Europe by 2040 . Watch, they’ll bring it forward.
@@mfp4136 mmm,but thats only new diesels,the old dont have that problem,IF,you look up euro 6 diesels,the exhaust is white,it pumps out water.carbon,.0.54 particulates.
Good info, the fuel use on the utes being similar towing that’s probably because the smaller engines working harder to pull the caravan & most people get the smaller engines for fuel economy but it’s false I have a ranger 2.2L getting 13L / 1000kl not towing never intended towing but I’m now thinking about it so the Y62 sounds the goods I was looking @ a 200 series till I done my reviews on RUclips & found owners complaints about injector replacement & dusting of the engine caused by the air box people spending $30,000. On an aftermarket air box & engine No thanks 😎
nobody buys a Patrol thinking they'll save the world... they buy a Patrol because they can tow a small to medium country to a different location ... ;)
Has anyone replaced the gas engine with a diesel one? Mate, I know - when you love a car, you say everything nice about it and you don't want to move away from it... It's because you love it. It doesn't matter if it has an ugly ass, as long as you love that ass... I have a Patrol Y61, fully kitted with 33 inch tyres and I'm needing around 11 liters/100km - with a rooftop tent on it. Gasoline engines will always "eat" more than diesel ones. On the other hand, gasoline engines are easier to maintain, so it could be that gas will cost more, but the overall costs will be similar. To be honest, the consumption is a very relative thing as long as you love the car. Using a Patrol for getting a good fuel consumption is like bombing for peace.
so,this is your first 4x4,or you just like grass paddocks & sand.>???.THERE AUTO,CV,S.,V8 PETROL,IFS,FULL OF USELESS TECH.ALL THE THINGS YOU DONT,,WANT IN A 4X4. gu,4.2tdi,only 4x4 to buy...vehicles with ifs,are more prone to roll,than with 2 diffs.6" wheel travel is b/s.my 1975 f100 4x4 had 2'.std...
Better fuel economy than my 4.8 patrol and more grunt. Not a fan of the 95 RON though. I know 200 series owners getting similar fuel economy with their TD’s, especially towing large vans.
I rented the 2017 Armada about a year ago and loved it, I now just bought the 2018 Armada about 4 months ago, a great vehicle. Do you have links to sites for the best after market parts and upgrades?
You talk about how much your trailer weighs, but not what the combined weight is, that’s the only weight that counts. We have figures towing a little over 7.1t for 45000ks around australia with the better part of that attached to the van. Using a combination of 98, when we could get it, 95 & 91. We really couldn’t tell the difference between the 91 & 98 when towing unless you wanted to tear off from the lights or stick it going up every hill just to maintain your speed. So far we have averaged 27.66 L/100 running standard dia tyres. This is a trip from Vic, across the paddock up the coast of WA, Darwin, back down the west coast, across the Great central Hwy & are now in the township of Moonta SA. My friend that travelled with us for the first 25000ks has a 200 series weighing in 150kgs less than us has an average of 23.3L/100… I wish.
@@DASHOffRoad traction control wont stop you rolling if you lose contact with ground,plus 4 wheels on the ground is better traction than 3,.you blew 60k..for a v8 sound & looks..plus it has that fkt up bag suspension,that blows out,like range rover.ITS NOT A 4X4,WAKE UP.
Thank you very much for that info. I’m really close to doing the sign on the line. Will try not to touch it, and keep Modded GU for rocks and trails. If pulling a 1,700kg pop up, are you saying nothing, airbags or upgrade of suspension? I don’t want to throw away new gear!
A lot of people are Genuinely interested in what the fuel usage is? I have a 4.8L petrol patrol, so if you tell me you are doing 20-30L/100Kms i'm happy. And people act like other cars use 0L/100km, and that 20L is 20L more than they use, not 5.
The same engine+RE5 gearbox is out there in few vehicles. One of them is Titan and got 5.0l diesel last year. Thus why not to offer this engine as aftermarket conversion. Sorry if it sound silly but..... Why not??? SORRY I's wrote this before listening to the end ;-)
Soooo everyday day running around town with mods and highway economy with mods is.....? And how many ks you done? Is this odometer measured v pump literate measured fuel or just what that dash tells you? Cheers Jesse
Hey mate, everything quoted is dash measurements as this is what the majority will be comparing to. I know actual fuel figures will be a bit lower. Running around town with mods on 33's is 17.5LPH. 35's pushes it up to 20LPH. So far i have 72k on the clock.
Virginia Troll Adventures cheers mate. Lookin at buyin one and was guessin the dash v real time would be slighty different. My v8 cruiser ute is no better but haha
If you think your gold is efficient! 🤭 You need to look into the BMW X5 40D & even better M50D And they weigh well over 2.5ton with efficiency of as low as 5.5L per 100ks! For the M50D 🤯
You wouldn’t want the triple turbo m50 out bush. The n57 is an excellent engine from its base form to the TU Top Super 50. The work of getting one in a patrol, have the cluster work properly, and integrate the immensely complex bmw high speed can busses and digital diesel electronics (DDE) is beyond practical. They’re too flashy an engine that I’d want to have in the Simpson desert for instance. Because of their insanely low tolerances and strict parameters, they don’t like shit quality diesel. Servicing and general maintenance requires bmw special tools and diagnostic equipment-to maintain warranty-. I hated working on these engines, but loved driving them. Even the 30d spec would walk ‘fast petrol sedans’, let alone the 40d. The 50d is in a class of its own. If anything as a former bmw tech I am a 50d fan boy, but still wouldn’t want one for anywhere but the streets. But yes, you are correct in their insane economy. You can blow the doors off that piece of shit Subaru sti next you getting onto the freeway, and then settle down to cruise with sub 7L/100km in a big heavy X5
thanks,we are looking for a tow vehicle for next year but finding something that can tow and have a respectable load carrying capacity is near impossible,well done on the vid.
I have put E10 in both a S1 and my current S2 Y62. Economy suffers badly and it pings its head off on E10. Expect to lose 4L/100km when running on E10. I did the maths and it isn't worth it compared with the fuel usage when it has premium unleaded in it.
So it absolutely sucks the fuel out is what your saying? Fully loaded Range Rover sport pulling 3 ton and we get 14/l with a v6 TD. I think you should get some education on towing and diesels mate and you'll save yourself thousands. The Navara NP300 towing the same van gets 16/l per hundred. If you weight fuel cost into all our equations the diesel makes so much more sense. Just re watch your video and run the numbers. My gcm in the Navara is 5.9 ton and yours is 7 ton. The only difference is the ton extra the Y62 weights, and I get about 10/l per hundred better economy from a 2.3L. I will say though airbags are a must in the Navara. Just admit it, she is a thirsty fuel sucker that doesn't have a diesel purely because it was designed for an Arab market 😂😂😂😂. But a very nice car none the less.
Not arguing with you Ben, she loves to drink. I don't know a Y62 owner out there that buys it for fuel economy though. Its the total package that makes us so passionate about this platform. It tows very well, goes up any sand hill you point it at, can carry 8 people in comfort and turns heads on every 4WD track. You can't have all that and 10LPH too, especially for a car that cost me $60k new
And all you will do with the rangie is drive the blacktop towing it would seem. A stock rangie with no mods yes & they are a great engine nice cars but nearly twice the price & who in their right mind would own one out of warranty?? All the rovers still, like usual, play up regularly like old second hand lawn mowers! Same weight would see approx 19s on the y62 patrol. The np300 would be at its maximum & very poor performance. The y62 is far more versatile even if thirstier. Fuel economy & especially diesels ain't the only way.. perhaps you need to stop living in the past & re-educate yourself on the new petrol engines about to hit the market... compression ignition, variable compression ratio tech with 30% better fuel economy then current DI engines.
I didn't buy my 3 tonne v8 petrol 4wd for it's fuel economy.. I bought it because it's awesome and I absolutely love driving it!
Very educational mate! I have visited a dealer at Sydney, they were selling qx80 for 79k, it has grown on me! Such a 4x4 for the price.
Thank you... Just found your videos and..... I'm sold!
Getting rid of the Disco 4 (with the same dodgy mech. as the RR Sport) and trading up to a Y62!
Question on auto levelling air suspension in the To models, will this need upgrading to tow a 3t van?
Thanks again, great content.
Good one. There's so much diesel snobbery out there. I drive a Toyota FJ Cruiser and as you know there's no diesel option, but I wouldn't want diesel anyway. In sand it's unstoppable, and petrol is the preferred engine for sand anyway. On the highway, I've seen averages of 20/100 but that's absolutely flogging it - cruising at 150k - it'll do it easily enough or faster, but fuel economy drops off really quickly. On the sand, depending in how you drive, it could be anywhere north of 20, but in the dunes we drive, I'd be very surprised to see any diesel get up them - just not enough power, and if they did, their fuel economy would be just as bad or worse.
you can convert it to LPG, LPG is very cheap and it will save you tons of money
Just a quick Q... how are you finding it on the juice?! Just kidding :) I just bought the series 4 Ti and I absolutely love it. But I still love my fully decked out 76 series landcruiser. I think I have the best of both worlds!
Just for curiosity, do you know the fuel consumption in off road terrain? In my case, I have 2 Ford Super Duty's, one with the 5.4 2v petrol and the other one with the 6.0 diesel, I can tell you that with our average city speeds (20km/h) they get 26-27l/100km. P.D. : I have a Suzuki Alto 800 for daily use, 5l/100km, so no problem at all 🤣🤣
Edit: greetings from Costa Rica, really great videos, thank you for sharing them.
Do you know when the diesel is coming out? :)
Very funny! lol. You owe me a $$
You don't buy this type of vehicle for its fuel economy, you buy it for what it can do and, for its towing ability. Would I buy one?, bloody oath.
Odd that you get 20L/100km towing your 2tonne popper. I towed a 2 tonne MDC camper from Mandurah WA to Darwin and averaged 15L/100km at speed limit (100kmh) and that is taking into consideration no 95 octane available for 1000km in the Kimberly.. I was super impressed. Admittedly I had 33" tyres and only a steel bar on the front, standard height and no roof rack. Regardless, stoked with the economy and power of the car. 60 meter road trains were a blur as I squirted past them with ease.
Thanks mate. Clearview have the brand new mirrors with cameras. Cheers Neil
100% we but them because we love them. I tow 3.2 tonne and it’s a dream if the wind blowing its just what it is. I’ll go petrol every-time.
Dropping some truth bombs on the y62. Thank you for cementing my decision on purchasing one of these.
Thank you, love this episode. Been following you for awhile great RUclips channel.
Thanks for watching 👌
Hi Everybody l Own a Y62 til and Drive it on the Highway and around town and it gets 13.3 L /100 it has Stock tyres and it has a ARB Bullbar The Car Flys and is Comfortable as Lets Say l had it up to well in Excess of 150kms a hour and Went around a Truck at 148kms a hour Its a 4 *4 You Can Get addicted to the Power of the 4*4 but You Can Clock up a lot of Demit points fast or lose a License being Lucky had No Probloms with it So far and it has 30000km on it the weather rain plastic side Sheilds which Came with The Car are Crap .!!.had on Came apart and Fly off .!!.but the Y62 is Fantasic Car easily Go around The Big Lap of Australia.!!.just Need the time.!!.
Thanks for the info. 10.5 when stock is pretty good
Great info thanks
With diesels you can drop ur speed to hit ur sweet spot on rpm and u stay fuel economic but with petrol u have to stay higher rpm to get ur tourqe for hills but I do like the y62 but I do think a diesel would bring in a whole new level of awesome and they would be a lot more popular as tow rigs
Yep agree Toyo 4.5DTT has the towing sweet spot 3 tonne on back 1800 revs
100Km/hr
And what percent of your milage are you towing? Sure diesel is great for towing, but that's usually a niche case for most people.
Yeah but petrol don’t give you stomach cancer. The diesel exhaust particulates are too fine for your body to expel hence Japan phasing our diesels and Europe is following suit. No more diesel in Europe by 2040 . Watch, they’ll bring it forward.
@@mfp4136 mmm,but thats only new diesels,the old dont have that problem,IF,you look up euro 6 diesels,the exhaust is white,it pumps out water.carbon,.0.54 particulates.
Enjoy your vids David !
in winter in traffic it consumes 32L/100km in summer on straight road it consumes 8L/100km
Good info, the fuel use on the utes being similar towing that’s probably because the smaller engines working harder to pull the caravan & most people get the smaller engines for fuel economy but it’s false I have a ranger 2.2L getting 13L / 1000kl not towing never intended towing but I’m now thinking about it so the Y62 sounds the goods I was looking @ a 200 series till I done my reviews on RUclips & found owners complaints about injector replacement & dusting of the engine caused by the air box people spending $30,000. On an aftermarket air box & engine No thanks 😎
If you go a Y62 I’m sure you’ll love it 👌💯
Good video.
I only get around 850ks from mine. Car is stock. But i do have quite a heavy foot.
nobody buys a Patrol thinking they'll save the world... they buy a Patrol because they can tow a small to medium country to a different location ... ;)
Has anyone replaced the gas engine with a diesel one? Mate, I know - when you love a car, you say everything nice about it and you don't want to move away from it... It's because you love it. It doesn't matter if it has an ugly ass, as long as you love that ass... I have a Patrol Y61, fully kitted with 33 inch tyres and I'm needing around 11 liters/100km - with a rooftop tent on it. Gasoline engines will always "eat" more than diesel ones. On the other hand, gasoline engines are easier to maintain, so it could be that gas will cost more, but the overall costs will be similar. To be honest, the consumption is a very relative thing as long as you love the car. Using a Patrol for getting a good fuel consumption is like bombing for peace.
Great review 👍 , so many wing bandits around
The ads helped pay for a litre of fuel. 🤗
Awesome review.
95 RON might be a problem, but with a Costco fuel station around im all set uo lol
Great video.. I already want a new patrol, these videos make me want one bad.
Go test drive one and tell me what colour you bought 😂
so,this is your first 4x4,or you just like grass paddocks & sand.>???.THERE AUTO,CV,S.,V8 PETROL,IFS,FULL OF USELESS TECH.ALL THE THINGS YOU DONT,,WANT IN A 4X4. gu,4.2tdi,only 4x4 to buy...vehicles with ifs,are more prone to roll,than with 2 diffs.6" wheel travel is b/s.my 1975 f100 4x4 had 2'.std...
@@phantomwalker8251 🥱
Great vid mate, very informative
Better fuel economy than my 4.8 patrol and more grunt. Not a fan of the 95 RON though. I know 200 series owners getting similar fuel economy with their TD’s, especially towing large vans.
I rented the 2017 Armada about a year ago and loved it, I now just bought the 2018 Armada about 4 months ago, a great vehicle. Do you have links to sites for the best after market parts and upgrades?
Www.dashoffroad.com.au or email info@dashoffroad.com.au we have access to more products that are not yet on the website
@@DASHOffRoad I would love that predator front bar, but how about the front bug shield that says PATROL, where do you get that?
You talk about how much your trailer weighs, but not what the combined weight is, that’s the only weight that counts. We have figures towing a little over 7.1t for 45000ks around australia with the better part of that attached to the van. Using a combination of 98, when we could get it, 95 & 91. We really couldn’t tell the difference between the 91 & 98 when towing unless you wanted to tear off from the lights or stick it going up every hill just to maintain your speed. So far we have averaged 27.66 L/100 running standard dia tyres. This is a trip from Vic, across the paddock up the coast of WA, Darwin, back down the west coast, across the Great central Hwy & are now in the township of Moonta SA.
My friend that travelled with us for the first 25000ks has a 200 series weighing in 150kgs less than us has an average of 23.3L/100… I wish.
I average 23 lph to 25lph bad head wind 30lph 3.440 ton desert rose s5 y62. Im looking at a 2500hd silverado now.
My biggest problem with the Y62 isn't the fuel consumption, it's the independent suspensions ! That sucks.
Ali Ansari - really? Compared to a Y61 there's no were near the travel. But compared to a LC200, I don't think there's a lot in it
same bro
@@DASHOffRoad traction control wont stop you rolling if you lose contact with ground,plus 4 wheels on the ground is better traction than 3,.you blew 60k..for a v8 sound & looks..plus it has that fkt up bag suspension,that blows out,like range rover.ITS NOT A 4X4,WAKE UP.
Yeah just about no flex in independent suspension, unless you spend upwards of 10k on it, and you still won't have as much flex as an almost stock gq
Thank you very much for that info. I’m really close to doing the sign on the line. Will try not to touch it, and keep Modded GU for rocks and trails. If pulling a 1,700kg pop up, are you saying nothing, airbags or upgrade of suspension? I don’t want to throw away new gear!
Do you think its good to add the extended range fuel storage box?>
I’m considering the same myself. It’s really not necessary unless you plan to do Simpson desert or something like that
A lot of people are Genuinely interested in what the fuel usage is? I have a 4.8L petrol patrol, so if you tell me you are doing 20-30L/100Kms i'm happy.
And people act like other cars use 0L/100km, and that 20L is 20L more than they use, not 5.
The same engine+RE5 gearbox is out there in few vehicles. One of them is Titan and got 5.0l diesel last year. Thus why not to offer this engine as aftermarket conversion. Sorry if it sound silly but..... Why not??? SORRY I's wrote this before listening to the end ;-)
She guzzles. Get over it lol
Wind effects all tow vehicles when they have a van on the back.
Soooo everyday day running around town with mods and highway economy with mods is.....? And how many ks you done?
Is this odometer measured v pump literate measured fuel or just what that dash tells you?
Cheers
Jesse
Hey mate, everything quoted is dash measurements as this is what the majority will be comparing to. I know actual fuel figures will be a bit lower. Running around town with mods on 33's is 17.5LPH. 35's pushes it up to 20LPH. So far i have 72k on the clock.
Virginia Troll Adventures cheers mate. Lookin at buyin one and was guessin the dash v real time would be slighty different. My v8 cruiser ute is no better but haha
If you had a doller for evertime someone asked you about the fuel usage you might be able to buy a 200 series. :P
why,??,i love you city slickers,no fkn idea.
If you think your gold is efficient! 🤭
You need to look into the BMW X5 40D & even better M50D
And they weigh well over 2.5ton with efficiency of as low as 5.5L per 100ks!
For the M50D 🤯
You wouldn’t want the triple turbo m50 out bush. The n57 is an excellent engine from its base form to the TU Top Super 50. The work of getting one in a patrol, have the cluster work properly, and integrate the immensely complex bmw high speed can busses and digital diesel electronics (DDE) is beyond practical.
They’re too flashy an engine that I’d want to have in the Simpson desert for instance. Because of their insanely low tolerances and strict parameters, they don’t like shit quality diesel. Servicing and general maintenance requires bmw special tools and diagnostic equipment-to maintain warranty-. I hated working on these engines, but loved driving them. Even the 30d spec would walk ‘fast petrol sedans’, let alone the 40d. The 50d is in a class of its own. If anything as a former bmw tech I am a 50d fan boy, but still wouldn’t want one for anywhere but the streets.
But yes, you are correct in their insane economy. You can blow the doors off that piece of shit Subaru sti next you getting onto the freeway, and then settle down to cruise with sub 7L/100km in a big heavy X5
2002 f250 MWM,4.2tdi,5sp,700nm,4 ton,13 lt 100.say no more.
wish Nissan would make a smaller SUV then the y62
Nissan Pathfinder is smaller - still quite capable offroad, diesel, V6 petrol - everthing U want
Said no one ever
is it worth having a dyno tune?
paul daynes - not sure mate as I haven't had it done. I think it would help in conjunction with a blower!
thanks,we are looking for a tow vehicle for next year but finding something that can tow and have a respectable load carrying capacity is near impossible,well done on the vid.
Just do electric conversion. Only costs 40,000 to 80,000
When's the electric Y62 coming?
I have heard rumours of a Patrol / Pajero collaboration that may have a a hybrid
Have you tried e10 94?
yhakult - can't say I have. Unfortunately I don't have access to 94 where I live. I imagine it would give worse results that 91
I have put E10 in both a S1 and my current S2 Y62. Economy suffers badly and it pings its head off on E10. Expect to lose 4L/100km when running on E10. I did the maths and it isn't worth it compared with the fuel usage when it has premium unleaded in it.
My 2018 y62 runs 16l/100, only 3l more than land cruiser,
I have modified SAFARI Y60 with TD42T and it takes the same. I wish to have the same power and SOUND....
Why are the captions in Spanish not English?
Subtitles...
Are they???
@@DASHOffRoad yeah haha, I was trying to watch with volume down as wife is asleep.
So it absolutely sucks the fuel out is what your saying? Fully loaded Range Rover sport pulling 3 ton and we get 14/l with a v6 TD. I think you should get some education on towing and diesels mate and you'll save yourself thousands. The Navara NP300 towing the same van gets 16/l per hundred. If you weight fuel cost into all our equations the diesel makes so much more sense. Just re watch your video and run the numbers. My gcm in the Navara is 5.9 ton and yours is 7 ton. The only difference is the ton extra the Y62 weights, and I get about 10/l per hundred better economy from a 2.3L.
I will say though airbags are a must in the Navara.
Just admit it, she is a thirsty fuel sucker that doesn't have a diesel purely because it was designed for an Arab market 😂😂😂😂. But a very nice car none the less.
Not arguing with you Ben, she loves to drink. I don't know a Y62 owner out there that buys it for fuel economy though. Its the total package that makes us so passionate about this platform. It tows very well, goes up any sand hill you point it at, can carry 8 people in comfort and turns heads on every 4WD track. You can't have all that and 10LPH too, especially for a car that cost me $60k new
And all you will do with the rangie is drive the blacktop towing it would seem. A stock rangie with no mods yes & they are a great engine nice cars but nearly twice the price & who in their right mind would own one out of warranty?? All the rovers still, like usual, play up regularly like old second hand lawn mowers! Same weight would see approx 19s on the y62 patrol. The np300 would be at its maximum & very poor performance. The y62 is far more versatile even if thirstier. Fuel economy & especially diesels ain't the only way.. perhaps you need to stop living in the past & re-educate yourself on the new petrol engines about to hit the market... compression ignition, variable compression ratio tech with 30% better fuel economy then current DI engines.