The 2015 AWP nerf and its controversial legacy in CS:GO
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2018
- The AWP is a weapon that evokes many different emotions in Counter Strike fans. With a one-shot-kill to the head or torso, it can be frustrating to play against, but thrilling to see in the hands of an expert.
The iconic and devastating weapon has been tweaked and balanced in every version of CS, but CS:GO’s version of the gun was so powerful, it ended up being hit by one of the most drastic balance changes in the series’ history.
While the change was made over three years ago, the nerf remains a subject of some debate.
The heart of the question is: how much impact should one player with a specialist weapon have? And does it make sense to nerf a weapon that one in five players use if there are only a couple AWPers able to push the weapon to its absolute limit?
Written by Josh Bury (@ThrownGauntlet)
Edited by Paul Park (@phjpark)
Hosted by Daniel Rosen (@Daniel_Rosen)
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KennyS : suffer
JW : Adapt
Guardian : meh
Maikalele : die
dauxanh 64 TRUE SO TRUE
It was really sad for maikelele
Of you play against Kenny, you should just leave the server. There was a compilation of people's reaction on FaceIT against him.
JW has not the level he had, there he was a top3 awp and now he is a top 10
Diego Calvo Rodrígez barely top 10 btw
“The KennyS Nerf”
I find moving full speed with an awp alien to me but valve saw how the awp was being used. The awp was made for holding angles and long range but pros were using it like a shotgun almost. The awp is still an amazing weapon but it now has its place.
Forever Alone but ur paying 4750 for that gun so you should have that option to play like u want
Kenny Gibson youre paying 5000+ for the M249, so why wont valve put a scope on it to also use it long range?
ileryon 3000 ur paying for the ammo, dps, better tapping and moving to negev, and damage
@@kennygibson1712 You no longer pay for the ammo, and I mentioned the M249
ileryon 3000 i meant to compare the faster movement speed of the m249 to the slower negev, and how ur paying for the ammo compacity that is much more than a rifle. But in valve fashion, 150 bullet laser beam cost 1700
I miss the old awp sound
I had that punch that sounds so good. Now it sounds muffled and like almost like its being shot underwater
I swear I just need the awp sounds. AHHHH
Imagine s!mple with the pre-AWP nerf. He is already super agressive with the awp now and would be a even more insane than he already is right now.
Mike Olesh Kennys is better than s1mple at awp
Watch g2 vs Navi dreamhack mirage recent
Noob Slayer agreed. But he meant to say the aggression of S1mple
Kennys awp > s1mple awp but Imo s1mple has better flicks
Abhinav Uckoo Overall Kenny awp > s1mple awp, but in 2018 s1mples awp >> Kenny awp
Kenny S's style is just phenomenon! even pros dont want to play against kenny, thats how scary he is
he was the beast because of only him this gun was nerfed cz no one standed a chance against him
@@AzanZ I don't like people who says S1mple is better Awper than kennyS
@@KING-fq1ej KennyS is the best AWPer ever no contest.
You mean, *was.*
@@KING-fq1ej simple is ten times better awper
theScore esports always dropping a banger.
Justin why would that matter
Ankahwka
And well next topic: how Valve revamped Train just because of Get_right
Hoy Quarlow what? CN u explain me what revamp means ??
Summit
GTR raped people with the auto
@FairPlay omg i'm so dumb
I must say GTR was really in Train and Nuke map since CS 1.6 tho
I actually felt bad for KennyS
2:22 KennyS with a beard
What frustrates me is that it feels like companies and organizations punish players for really standing out in a game. Like they said, 1in five people used the app and out of that a very small group could use it at that level. I see this across multiple genres. Someone figures out a new playstyle or tactic that does well and immediately there is a Nerf or rework to make it "fair".
It's hilarious that they're all talking about how "teams had to completely rework their strategy because of an insanely good awper" and "Awpers took the lead in aggressive peeking" and saying it's balanced all in the same sentence.
Let's look at this from a design perspective:
Pre-nerf, it was a gun that you could aggressively peek with, on top of having a scope and a one hit kill.
It was taking the role that the rifles had, AWAY from the rifles, and from the SMGs. OBVIOUSLY the main loss here is the shotguns.
From a design perspective, the nerf makes perfect sense. The AWP, while being an expensive powerhouse, should NOT be a catch all, end all solution. For there to be interesting, emergent gameplay, there needs to be diversity. In order for there to be diversity, you need multiple solutions for multiple problems. The AWP, pre-nerf, was too good in most situations to warrant someone to try a different solution to any specific problem. Close range peek? AWP. Long range peek? AWP. Holding angle long range? AWP. Holding Angle close range? AWP. It was holding too many roles and watching 5v5 awpers would be a detriment to professional players trying to get merit for tactics and strategy.
Now, it looks (ideally) more like: Close range peek? SMG. Long Range peek? AK/M4 (or SG/AUG if you're into that meta). Holding angle long range? AWP. Holding angle short range? assault rifle (or shotgun if you take their buffs seriously at all, or SMG if you're tight on cash).
This opens up more player agency and awp-ortunity to pick something that may be different from just a good flick and a quickscope.
The Comedic You are drastically overestimating the amount of people that amount of people that could use the Awp that well. And if you're at the skill level where opponents can use it that effectively, they could just headshot you with an AK anyway. You're making it sound like the instant someone bought an Awp they'd automatically win. Like it was an end all be all weapon. It never was and never will be. You're a fucking moron if you think that. If the Awp was so good why didn't everyone use an Awp? Why wasn't every single person in every match using an Awp? Oh wait, because unless you're one specific person (who was one of the best players, if not THE best player in all of csgo at his peak) it made zero sense to use the Awp in close quarters. KennyS pushed the meta and shook things up. His aggressive Awp plays were something to behold (not to mention other top players like Skadoodle). But now that's gone. Now everyone does the same thing. Nobody has changed the meta in years.
And on a side note. This isn't some game where you're going to pick a certain weapon for wherever you're holding, and every weapon is viable. This is CS. It's a game mainly revolving around aim (not saying strategy plays no part, but CS has very bare bones strategy). Whatever gun kills the quickest is what everyone is gonna use. It's exactly why everyone uses the AK over the M4. And why no one uses smgs or shotguns unless they're desperate and on a save round. I'm not saying CS shouldn't evolve, but you're trampling over what CS is all about. It's a competitive niche shooter that is all about aim and reaction time.
"You are drastically overestimating the amount of people that amount of people that could use the Awp that well."
Most if not all my aces are used with an AWP. I have a couple youtube videos on here where I ace with the awp. The oldest video I have here is pre-nerf. The problem with the AWP is that it's such a high damage weapon that you only need one hit to kill -- so if you're even as much as just a /little/ lucky, you can hit something up close or get a quick reaction shot with some skill. When all the weapons require a few short moments to kill, and meanwhile you have a weapon who can end it all with a single reaction shot, there is a lot of potential to completely shut down a game. Just look at ColdZera's 4k on Mirage during the MLG Columbus 2016 match. SHOULD he have got so many kills in THAT manner? Hell no. But because of the fact that you only need to get lucky ONCE for a shot to hit when it shouldn't, it can seriously mess up someone's day. While kills like that can be argued to be BS, they can at least damage control so events such as that are less apparent and not consistent (such as if a player with similar aiming skill of their enemies uses an AWP)
"And if you're at the skill level where opponents can use it that effectively, they could just headshot you with an AK anyway."
The point of the major AWP nerf was to prevent fast and aggressive stutter-step / hard peek shots with the awp, which is good. Because when you're using an AWP in that manner, you are betting YOUR reactions against ONE body OR headshot OR low health leg shot versus THEIR reactions for a HEADSHOT, OR their reactions, 2-4 follow up shots, AND you MISSING your shot (or having reflexes of a sloth).
"You're making it sound like the instant someone bought an Awp they'd automatically win. Like it was an end all be all weapon. It never was and never will be."
They literally had to nerf a weapon because someone took a meta, said "screw that meta", flipped it on it's head, and made the AWP a powerful offensive weapon. He could shut down an entire team, and in a game where a crazy amount of money was AT A TIME bet via skins, having such a slam dunk was bad, especially for spectators looking for a close game.
"If the AWP was so good why didn't everyone use an AWP? Why wasn't every single person in every match using an Awp? Oh wait, because unless you're one specific person (who was one of the best players, if not THE best player in all of csgo at his peak) it made zero sense to use the AWP in close quarters."
There is a reason why the AWP is so feared. You don't have to be the BEST player to be able to shut down an entire team, you only have to be around the same skill in terms of aim, and EQUAL or better positioning for usually a clean kill. A majority of encounters in CSGO maps are not done in close quarters -- except for a few exceptions, you will never be extremely close to your opponent. Just based on that metric alone, it's not the AWP itself that makes it so powerful, it's the positioning the map pool as a whole offers. Again, it's likely not the MASSES that swayed this nerf in all likelihood. It was the presumption that pros who make millions by winning, can practice solely one strategy and because of a lack of counters (in a straight, even 1v1 duel), come out on top almost every time.
"KennyS pushed the meta and shook things up. His aggressive Awp plays were something to behold (not to mention other top players like Skadoodle). But now that's gone. Now everyone does the same thing. Nobody has changed the meta in years."
His strategy so drastically changed how players moved around and played the level that him having or not having an awp could make or break strategies. In a sense, yes -- they were nerfing KennyS. But because they cannot nerf a player -- because again, someone who can perform a slam dunk using a single strategy can make a game less exciting to watch -- they had to nerf the weapon, and the kinds of things that weapon allows.
The Comedic So you admit that they were nerfing a player and that he was basically the only one who could use the Awp well enough for it to warrant a nerf..... Yet he never even won a major until years after the awp nerf?
Your whole argument kind of falls apart because the guy who is considered one of the best Awpers is CS history and could "slam dunk" on teams literally never won a major during the entirety of the "op" Awp's existence.
The Comedic You also mention a 2016 match there bud. When did the awp nerf happen?
The Comedic You also can't be talking about positioning and reaction times as points for the awp being op and then say the reason for it being op was aggressive peaking and stutter stepping. You're contradicting yourself and saying that things the awp still does are reasons why it was nerfed.
3 years ago...
Holy shit! It feels like yesterday when the AWP was OP
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This update doesn't bother me.
Im still bad in awping.
Sad no one mentioned maikelele since he actually lost his whole way of playing and have never really gotten back!
Tintin Ansgariusson Him not being in the highest level anymore doesn't have to do with the awp nerf, he made the quarters at cologne 2015 and his team almost advanced into the finals at Cluj napoca.
You should watch "reflections with maikelele" on thorins RUclips channel, if you want more details.
7:02 Thorin rocking that Saddam Hussain look
Controller i died
Controller omfg true
BRUHHH I read the comment first and was prepared but god damn i laughed so hard :D
I felt it was kinda strange to show a bunch of clips at the beginning that were post nerf, like draken clip and the coldzera inferno clip.
when the awp was nerfed i was like "meh.... im still gonna running jumping and quickscoping in dm and play super passive af in comp"
"The awp nerf is here to stay"
FEELSBADMAN
yeemanfeelsbadforkenny
Great video as always ❤️
I'm glad it was nerfed back then and they didn't cave into pressure from fanboys. Majority of playerbase never experienced playing against high level players who could utilize the awp in its most frustrating form. Its no fun to play against someone who doesn't need to headshot you to kill you. If I'm holding a angle against an enemy wielding a rifle and we were of comparable skill level, the fight is 50/50 assuming we both knew of each other's location. However, with the pre-nerfed awp, the player could peek just as fast as the rifler but only needed a single shot for the kill giving the awper a bigger advantage. I'm not saying every weapon needs to have a equal footing but the old awp could hold passive angles AND fast peek like it was noone's business making it too over-powered.
Now that's its been about three years I don't think many would agree that awp is useless by any stretch of the imagination. At least we don't have fanboys running around with "magic stick" awps playing the game like its CoD and shouting things like "OMG I'm seriously like KennyS or JW!!!!".
ShibaPatrol Lmao if you're at the skill level where facing an awp means instant death, then you're also at the skill level where you're going to die just as quickly with a headshot from an AK.
+Jack Ryan
Not sure what you mean here. Are you suggesting that riflers can just as easily hit heatshots as awpers can bodyshots? because that's totally bollocks. If that was the case why would anyone use the awp? for its long range capabilities?
The problem with the old awp was its lack of movement penalties. If and when awps could peek just as fast as riflers, awp has an advantage because it only requires a bodyshot contrast that with a headshot assuming you were using an ak and not an M4. I thought everyone understood this point, apparently not.
Not to mention before the awp nerf, CZ were able to be pulled out instantly and were the choice of awpers everywhere. Just when you closed the distance to an awper, they whip out the CZ and spray you down. This is why awpers at high levels + pro scene dominated.
Never mention Kenny and that fat pig JW in the same sentence
ShibaPatrol i completely agree, very well written comment, +1 upvote.
Ankit Sareen he may be fat and unattractive, but atleast he can awp i guess.
the fast crouches at the behinning rip
Watching this after Kenny retired is just too nostalgic.
GGs Legend!
This reminds me of my old csgo days.. warowl thorin etc :p the awp nerf hit a lot of ppl pretty hard back then
This makes me miss Semmler so much :(
Michael G Semmler and Sado for me :/
Pim Koster I feel you, but Sado did just get unbanned on Twitch so he should coming back slowly but surely
Too bad he left for a shit spectator sport just because it pays more smh
Jam - CSGO and GD I think it is more of it’s something different rather than money
Michael G have him back, he's the worst caster in the OWL.
Imagine if the AWP nerf never happened...
AkramussX7 did the awp have the scoped movement speed of the scout before the nerf? Or was it a bit slower than the scoped mvement speed of the scout. I started csgo in 2016 so i never used it before the nerf.
it had lower movement than the scout
Kenny could've been god
burnt f1ames They'd still be shit though.
If the awp nerf never happened
This
LEM Player cant even use rifles properly
Silver player : OMG THIS GUY IS SO TRASH IM AT SILVER AND I PLAY BETTER THEN HIM
Being someone who started playing in April 2018, and peeks corners while scoped in with AWPs in June 2018, I wonder what it would be like playing before this nerf. Any way I could try an older version of CS:GO? Peeking mid is just too fun.
It was beyond great, still miss it to this day
0:34 I have looked everywhere, gotten no answer. How do you make you AWP sound that good?
Old Awp’s sound
Big up TheWarOwl 🔥🔥
My guy
warowl FTW
Possible video topic: why overpass is infamously referred to as “olofpass” (for olofmeister)
Hey I remember that. Everybody in the scene freaked out and everybody thought this was the end of CS but it's amazing how quickly everybody forgot
Like how fast was the scope in movement at that time and whats the different
It was true it was becoz of KennyS , he was so damn good with it . Every Faceit match I played and someone hit a good awp shot , it was KennyS spammed in chatbox . Till now , people are used to calling that name , when you dont really see him playing that good---with other players emerging now. His peak with awp was probably highest in GO and source .
I've seen Kenny's career in Source, it was so damn impressive for his very young ages even his Source career was just short before he moved onto csgo
@@oneactoneda4393 yeah true , i even miss neo from 1.6 days , his moments had same hype as s1mple of now :)
theScore esports: 2015 AWP Nerf
Meanwhile theScore explaining street fighters is still going in the back while noone is even playing it
AWP before the nerf:kennyS weapon
AWP after the nerf:Lost $4750 dollars weapon
It sounds great really, like, awp was absurd, its a sniper rifle, you should not be able to use it like a shotgun, it simply isn't
Dmitriy Poot it’s a game, that these guys play for a living. They don’t care about realism
SupperSucc Delucc
And it was broken in the competitive scene as well. 50+ kills if you main Awp Should not exist.
Good players should be rewarded since not everyone can use the awp like that and you're just fucked if you miss a shot.
@@tylerr5167 It's not realism, but gun viability and balance. If AK and M4 are just for poor people who can't afford AWP, and everyone should use AWP for holding close angles, long angles, CQB, peeks, and shotguns are literally only farming tools, is such CS:GO interesting?
Bullshit dude. That's bullshit. Awp should still stay the way it was.
What about the legacy of the spray nerf? the old spray allowed u to do sick stuff
What nerf? The sprays have never changed except for m4a1-s
Adam they have. Before spraying was op as fuck and you could spray from pretty much any distance. Now they increased the randomness of the spray and its more about tap firing. Look at the old patch notes theres graphs of it
Right as I got insane with the old spray they changed it a week later which pissed me off
lol they made the game better and more skillful and it is not that hard to actually do insane sprayes with the new one if you just practice it
Robin Erimån what? Dude its the same old spray pattern, they just added 10% rng, how does that make It more "skillful" It just makes It more luck based, before the nerf, if u performed the spray pattern perfectly u could spray at any distance, now with the rng doesnt matter if u do the pattern perfectly or not, the last 20 bullets of the spray are almost 100% luck based
Use a scout and flick to heads.
Great movement speed.
Jump shot meme strat.
Headshots are 1 shot kills.
2 body shots or 1 and finish them off with pistol.
Also very cheap.
Use the scout it is great.
I feel like the old awp is too fast when I look back at it
That is what the AWP in CS 1.6 and Source have as well, so would old CSGO. I wish the CSGO AWP had never changed
It only feels this way because you're not used to it anymore. AWP movement speed was still slow in comparison to almost every other gun.
Weird to think I got the game just a day before this update... if only I had gotten it one month before so I could have tried the awp in its old amazing form.
It seems that the change has made the game overall more CT sided given that T's cannot challenge those holding angles anymore with the AWP.
5 ammo nerf: First time?
good work dude keep it up i love your videos❤❤❤❤love from India
7:43 Champagne n Charmander (Kenny, lower right)
I remember back in 1.6 there was this time where the scoped crosshair
Was too long ago that I dont remember if it was an april fools joke, or server specific
But I do remember loading into awp_map and every missing
I dont mind the new awp but i feel like the old awp is better in a way.
No it wasn't, it was unbalanced.
Moe Ali Jaber no it wasnt, only kennys was unbalanced
Adam it is unbalanced, it's not Call of Duty, you're not supposed to be aggressive with an AWP.
Nerfed awp = every map became moooore ct sided.
OENMEMBER not really
Who else misses the old legendary awp sound?
THE DAY BUYING A SCOUT BECAME RELEVANT
That update wasnt to nerf KennyS , it was just to balance the peekers advantage online. When u get from 50ms to even 200ms peekers advantage and u play aggresive with awp , it was like the enemy doesnt even have the change to shoot you , even if you miss your shoot.
Valve actually did a pretty good job , i am surprised you dont undestand that this was messure againt peekers advantage for online gaming.
Lan vs Online are really different at the top level of csgo .
Hi! Great Video. I really loved it. I can't wait for you to upload more!
The Story Videos should be shown on Majors !
o the rage when im strafing with the crosshair over his chest and i miss him by 20000 feet
If s1imple played main awo before the nerf, he would have been unstopable, he makes the new awp look like the old one
the awp nerf from 2015 and added revolver is still discussed so many years later.
Meanwhile, those of us who remember the Beta AWP back in the original mod days are chuckling to ourselves and telling "back in our day" stories.
Is this the longest description i ever saw?
Quick scoping is the new hot thing to do in csgo its crazy how good it is if you have decent reaction time
Sadokist :"
my son will remember u :(
just imagine having idle sway on awp
guardians "english" needs subtitles, please.
it is easy to understand..
I avoid the AWP like the plague, but I think they shouldn't have changed the movement of this gun since that's tied to muscle memory. It would have made more sense to make the AWP cost $5000 or even more but still let it be ridiculously powerful when a team makes that investment.
The nerf that made casuals cry because it was the only weapon they could play.
I thought casuals were the only people who ever bitched about awps.
fuck those awp on casuals
There is always the p90 aka the RNG spray and pray
some also cry about the aug and sg553, funny actually
I don't think casuals utilized it's movement acceleration.
The AWP is much much different than after the nerf. Noscopes are more prevalent in close-range battles if you're lucky. The AWP is hard when close-range and now is hard to play for clutches and a battle against an AK.
Damn i miss the old awp when i was Global But the valve nerfed it i got demoted to LE because of the awp nerf
Back in the day where the kill reward of the awp was 25$..
Is the guy speaking, holding an invisible melon? Just wondering
Oh hey didn’t see you there
kennyS + beard + fluent english = Semmler
Nice valve you are smart, you can tell from the trade cooldown
1:57 that looks so wrong, pushing such a cramped place with the AWP should (as it now is) be putting yourself in a major disadvantage. I understand the controversiality of such a big change, but I think it has been for the better, in the perspective of the balance of the game.
They should balance the game with tactical roll which would make it difficult to hit people being evasive. Especially if you could roll to prone. Movement options need to be updated period. There should be a high grade sprint and some sort of juke for dodging or breaching a side dash as well. Just things do in reality to make themselves harder to hit. Especially if being unamored gave you better movements as it does in real.
I understand what you mean, but the game does not focus on reality but gameplay
The awp (originally AWM) has been getting nerfed since at least CS 1.0 (possibly even in the beta but a lot happened and I cant remember now as it was about a million years ago (approx))
The first nerf was an obvious one as originally you had a crosshair when zoomed out. So it doesnt surprise me that theyre still attempting to balance the other top weapons by nuking it.
I do feel sorry though for the pros that mained awp's. That shit is harsh and the same kinda thing happened to me in (believe it or not) COD Black Ops when they nuked the re-roll on packages. Yeah I might get something shitty, I was rolling a dice after all but sometimes Id get something interesting. Then it was gone and so was I about 6 weeks later, as it had fucked about with something that Id learned to use and sometimes rely on in game. Yeah, I could play just as well with my guns but the fun aspect and dopamine hit when you start to re-roll the crate was no longer there and it just became boring to me. Im just glad for the pros in CS that the change didnt affect them for too long.
He lost his AWPertunity.
I tought that they should just make money per kill very low and make the awp heavier
it already take 2 kills with the awp to buy a single flash bang..
Come back Sadokist ❤️
man, i miss Semmler :/
why is thorin always wearing clothes that make him look like his climbing mount everest
I'm pretty sure what Kenny is saying is probably true. They did this 100% just because of him and JW. It was so fun though, why did they do this? So many highlights and fun plays. The gun was balanced because it was/is expensive. An awper challenging another awper was so fun. I remember when a lot of people used to challenge t-spawn on dust 2 and stuff. Honestly I 100% understand Kenny's frustration. It took away a lot of fun. Playing so aggressive was really something special that you now can only experience a bit if you use a Scout but the risk of dying is too high. I mean, I'm still fine you can still play like this you just have to scope later but it felt so awkward the first months.
They didn't nerf the AWP. They nerfed the players who got really skilled with it.
They nerf the AWP lmao. Pretty sure most people are dissappointed by it. Cry baby community were complainer like shit
kennyS and JW
I would like to not shift walk to get better movement... Other than that it is fine.
It is kind of like the zen nerf in overwatch were they nerfed him just because 1 guy was insane with him (I’m talking about the one on ptr not the old one)
Chris sohl it's live already
I wish I could have experienced the old awp
4:05 R.I.P.
Just meet in the middle and replace 50% of the scoped speed it used to have, I think people could deal with that.
Before the nerf I carried myself to smfc with the awp but now it’s not a gun I can easily push with
I think he's on inverted because you can see the AWP in lefty mode at the beginning of the video.
This was a great video lads
More of these!
Third Strike in the background :D
AWP = All Weapon (are) Poinless
The real problem here is that they didn't made that AWP outright a sniper weapon from the getgo, pretty much all snipers should be used as low mobility weapons with the exception of the scout since it's moderate damage makes it balanced.
For all the people arguing aniut best apwer . kenny is best of all time and thats not opinion ....cus when your the main reason why a change is made to a game ....that means that your ability is being limited ...hence the actual skill kennys has far far far exceeds guardian fallen or devise ...hes better and best plain and simple ...
agreed
I used to feel invincible with the old awp... :(
People lose their shit because a game stopped you running around at full speed while scoped.
People are saying that after the nerf kennyS wasn't good anymore, but that was in 2014. He won the major in 2015 and was topfragger (almost) every game. Just A Quick Fact.
Thing is...
Imagine it wouldnt have been changed...
by now every game would be rifles until one team has the economy and then have teams with 3 or 4 awps. thats an absolute dead end for the other team unless they save 3 rounds to get a proper awp setup to hold against that. we would have impressively one-sided matches and the economy would be extremely unbalanced all the time.
Even though it hurted that one or two players who really excelled at this exciting playstyle... in the long run it most likely was the right decision.
You could say KennyS took a nAWP before coming back to his former skill
Zelostial wut?
Wolf Pack a nap
nguyễn minh hoàng ikr
Shut self
The door is thay way -->
Looking at this after playing bo4 on pc
Can we get a "The Story of JW"?
Aluxer Saranz yes! Even flusha and krimz
No one cares, just look on any single pig and you will realise how his life looks like
after 3+ years im still tiltted because of this nerf