Australia's secret plan to tax EV owners every time they drive revealed
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- Australia's secret plan to tax EV owners every time they drive revealed
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How about instead the government grow some balls and get some of those mining royalties and large business taxes to fill the gap they’re talking about
Mining companies already pay more taxes and royalties than all the other business sectors combined.
No they don't, tbey give most of it away for free, then pay a small yax on whats left@Leo555ZZZ
@@Leo555ZZZ😂
@Leo555ZZZ more is not enough. Just look at their small running costs and sales $.
Most rabbit on about their workers paying tax and their workers spending money in the community.
A gish gallop faulty argument.
Those mining royalties are going straight into the pockets of the politicians who actually make the decisions for mining and natural resources being sold overseas thus receiving kickbacks but rooting every single taxpayer in the bum,no butter or hawk tuah 😅
This sounds like taxing non-smokers to cover falling revenues from tobacco excise.
Don't even put it in their mind.
@@ralphzoombeenie2330 why ya think the rich keep getting "tax breaks" while you don't
@@briancampbell179 it sound like taxing all those who use the roads, to ensure there are well maintained roads and particularly bridges!
That is what in reality happens. It is all just one big pool of money. No reason why EV owners should receive the privileges they seem to demand.
No it doesn’t. Not even one bit.
All electric cars owners have to pay a road user tax in NZ and it is a massive 7.8c per kilometre 3 to 4 times the amount a petrol car pays in the price of petrol. Work that out !! When we in NZ have to import all our petrol. It is politicians gone mad dont let that happen in your country.
That's crazy. Was that dreamed up by that crazy woman PM you had a while back?.
@@Ryanhothersall Yep her party proposed it and the incoming national party put it in force. Politicians ruin every thing.
Not as bad as the first female admiral being given a 100 million dollar ship for mapping the reefs and crashed into the reefs😅😅😅.Female defence minister:”at least nobody died,and it had absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman “😅😅.shut your teke you old mole😅
I see the Kiwi dollar tanking again. Too much in fuel imports.
In The Netherlands we pay per fuel type and weight. My 1300kg diesel will cost 140 Euro/256 NZD a month, road tax only. In Germany 75% less. In Belgium, France, Spain, UK, same as petrol car. So if you think you are being screwed?
Taxing green initiative, lol! Counter productive
C. 150 watts per km? How green is that on the Eastern Seaboard of Australia?
@davidbrayshaw3529 And how do you come up with that figure? Applicable through all EVs?
Aa, welcome to Finland! Our far right nut heads have taken this to the next level. They spread pure hate against EVs here. We also have certain taxes for electric cars because otherwise they won't pay enough taxes because electricity is less taxed than petrol or diesel. Sad but true, it's difficult to fix stupid. These far rights also spread Russian propaganda and likely get money from there. The reason they want us to separate from the EU and NATO. Can you imagine? This bs is spread around the world.
@@cheewee1979 "C." meaning "Circa" or "thereabout". And no, it's not applicable to every EV. Power consumption varies greatly depending on the vehicle type and use case.
Something like a Nissan leaf will use something around that figure city cycle. Something larger like the Porsche Taycan driven at highway speeds consumes in the vicinity
of 220-250 watts per hour, making it no better or even a little bit worse in terms of emissions than a small to medium sized petrol or diesel car charged on the grid on Australia's Eastern seaboard. Australia needs to fix this problem, fast.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Ours charges from the old solar panels on the shed roof. My suburb is full of panels producing excess electricity.
If there is a court case. I'm in.
Fuel excise has not been used on actual road repair since 1984. Almost all of the excise better described as a tax goes into general funds which is the government's euphemism for slush fund.
So what? EV use still represents a loss of revenue that needs to be replaced. This is an utterly fair tax being proposed.
Fuel excise may not have been hypothecated since then, but it is tabulated and the amount used as a starting point for a road budget.
@@joemccarthy7120 Fairer to tax coal and gas exports @ 10%.
@@Terry-y2r You mean fairer to tax them than to tax you. What about the jobs of those employed in those industries. There is a certain mean spiritedness in the true believers of EVs and the whole package.
@@joemccarthy7120 They will still have their jobs, and if they buy EV's will save on fuel costs. When new technologies come along, there are winners and looser's in the short term. Overall new technology creates wealth.
It's very clear. Vote Green or Teals. Anything other than the old dinosaur parties. Here's another idea; take the subsidies for fossil fuels and apply them to road maitenance instead.
Greens....😆
Are a 💩 show
Don't expect the Greens to be sympathetic to car owners no matter what they drive.
Grifting is what Governments do.
This is what capitalist governments do.
Geography may change, but politicians never change. They never saw a tax they do not like.
Trump may get rid of the Income Tax. And he is not a politician.
I would back you 100% if there's a court case and would be interested to know how many people would stand up against fossil fuels
When VIC introduced EV road tax, people started to look at Odometer blockers for their cars.
good luck doing that with a tesla.....
@isaac827 all the more reason to buy a byd, RUclips has plenty of videos for doing it on byd"s
This isn't just coming to Australia. It's certainly on the cards for the UK.
Sweden aswell, and probably also the corrupt sh!t EU eventually.
What about toll roads in Sydney?
Roads that have already been paid for by fuel taxes.
It is highway robbery.
Same in Melbourne
The government should be adding an extra 10% tax on coal, gas and oil exports. Budget problem solved.
sounds great, oh wait those politician and their relatives has shares on those companies and taxing them wont be good for themself, happened to K-Rud, he went down faster than lighting.... :(
I don't want to pay for your EV mistake. EVs are an environmental disaster that don't last long enough to make their own build footprint back.
The government just handed $800M to the US for submarines which will be used to fight America's last war and destroy our trade surplus with China. Next the US will demand no more EVs from China and to import gasoline powered US pickups.
@@RoverIAC Bullshit. My car battery will outlast 300000 KM. Cheaper to be the fuel supplier, My solar panels already make more electricity on average than I use. I'm glad I don't have your inefficient old technology noisy high maintenance high fuel cost, stinking alternative.
@@Terry-y2r I bet it doesn't. to much hail damage will write it off.
Well if the mining companies paid royalties that is owed to us like Norway the government would have so much money they would not know what to do with it
Why do EV owners expect to be so privileged?
@joemccarthy7120 I drive an australian v8 ute
@@waynewestwood9009 Still, why should EV owners be so priviileged?
@@joemccarthy7120 Because their cars do not pollute the air or make excessive noise.
I expect massive demand for EV engineers who can reverse the recorded mileage on an EV.
😂
You can do that with pretty much any modern car with an inexpensive scanner.
@@larrygage That's exactly what people going to do which causes another problem. In the US you pay for an EV tax when you register the car which is the way it should be.
@@PyroShields I would never buy a used car without a car fax report or an equivalent report. That is one way you can see if the odometer has been tampered with.
@ I'm saying if Australia starts taxing people by mileage than a lot of people are going to do that. I know I would or use an E-bike.
I'm in New Zealand and they introduced Road User Charges (RUC) for EVs last year. They cut the incentives the year before at the end of 2023. Since then the sale of EVs have tanked and don't look like they will recover any time soon. Funnily enough, one of the current government was a lobbyist for the oil industry before becoming a MP.......
Are u really surprised
People seem to forget that EV's are now cheaper to buy than when the subsidy was in place. Government MP's come from all sectors .The worst example is the government minister who was a lobbyist for the tobacco industry before becoming an MP but he is one of Nationals best.
Everyone should also keep in mind what drives most people and that is money .Money Rules
@@davidboskett5581 Then obviously people don't prefer EV's.
That just shows how much EV demand was premised on handouts and other privileges. That isn't a sustainable or even moral premise.
I agree the incentives pushed up the price of new and used EVs but it did work as people bought them! I'm happy to pay my way for road use but the government promised to build 10,000 new charging points but have quietly dropped it.
Sam, you are incorrect... 😂
Trucks themselves don't make pot holes.
When Bitchumen/Asphalt is laid and cures, tends to be more pliable, or flexible.
However, over time (decades?), the bitumen tends to lose its elasticity and becomes rigid.
This is where cracks/fissures start appearing!
Water will enter these cracks and start 'washing' out the substrat/gravels beneath, and with constant traffiic
driving over these delapitated surfaces, will inevitably lead to potholes. 👍
now google the girl that made a new kind of highway to get paved its a few years old BUT NOW that rigidity is gone and highways made this way last deades wihtout potholes
lowering need for gas /ev taxes
smart kid and now she is rich
Freezing temperatures acting on water under the road surface is the major cause in cold climates
@@GaryUpshaw-n7d
and what this girls new mixture for roads solves
as well as what the above guy yacked about trucks
But sale of electricity is taxed anyway. Sounds like they are double dipping.
Like our best friend the USA , we are fantastic at going backwards .
Here in America when i get my license plate renewed the receipt has a spot with a $ sign that says EV charge.
The Government isn't making enough money, because they pocket it all in their Salaries... 😂
Another load of nonsense.
It was announced ten years ago that in Australia BEVs would encounter road user charges around 2026. That's why I was an early adopter, to get the maximum free kick.
In time all vehicles will transition to a road user charge. Ideally road tolls and fuel excises will be abolished at the same time.
The issue is to come up with a practical and just system for collecting road use taxes that can go towards building and maintaining the road network. We already have toll collecting tags so there are a lot of technical possibilities for a convenient highly automated system likely involving a tag and the mobile phone network.
The problem is the large majority of the money collected doesn't actually go to the roads. Those taxes go to a "general" tax category which is why no one can tell you how much is exactly collected.
This is a scam.
When was the last time the government cancelled a tax in Australia.?
@micoots The parliamentary budget office publishes the fuel excise on there website. I found it in 2 minutes. www.pbo.gov.au/about-budgets/budget-insights/budget-explainers/fuel-taxation-australia
They can fix "holes" in the budget by not sending $billions to the USA for literally nothing.
for submarines we won't get for 15 years which we can't have Australians use , service or the like because the US doesn't wish to share their technologies. So just give them $800m for something we have control over.
dont buy f35s
have serious lookat rafale its near same capabilities at far cheaper prices
and with trump tariffs for all , what better way to say fuckoff usa
and remember a tariff on aluminum means those f35 wings got pricier cause they are made with aluminum and canada is 48% of market
trash like Abrams, which got only shame in real war in Ukraine, so stopped using in war at all
It is akin to forcing ex smokers to keep paying tobacco taxes.
Just wrong!
Watch them tax vapes
Only if they are still smoking, you are paying to use the road, did you stop driving your car?
@ I quit using dirty transport. Like I quit smoking decades ago.
I still inhale. I didn’t stop breathing.
Tobacco tax was used to discourage smoking and thus reduce strain on the health system.
As the video says, clean energy vehicles save revenue in the health budget.
Just like quitting tobacco.
One day, if cars gain the ability to hover above the roads, governments will pass an air disturbance tax to make up for lost revenue of fewer wheeled vehicles.
As far as I know, every country has a tax on electricity. But tyrannical government always want to tax more. You need DOGEAustralia to clean up crap from government spending and suddenly you will have plenty of money available for roads without extra taxes. Every country needs their own DOGE clean up.
A tax on EV’s is a tax on the outer suburban family.
No different to the fuel excise. Sorry, but this is long overdue.
@@michaeloliver1662No need to say sorry to the free loaders.
@@michaeloliver1662 Increasing taxes on coal and gas exports is overdue. Decreasing tax on transport benefits our economy.
A pay for what you use car tax on ALL vehicles, seems logical to me. With a sensible tier system. Fossil fuel should also retain some amount of tax as an added punishment for poisoning the air.
Don't worry it will be happening everywhere, if you didn't see this coming you need to remove your blinkers. I could fill up my car anywhere and drive the government wouldn't know how much fuel i was using, electric cars invariably have an app and shows the amount of electric you have used since you have had it, if it's on your app someone else has it so get ready for tax and then them limiting how much charge you are allowed a month.
And ordering the car companies to hand over your driving data so they can enforce compliance
They don't care how many miles you do, because they know the tax is in the fuel you buy and you have to keep coming back for more. EV owners have a few options and charging from Solar is basically free fuel off their radar. Not all EVs have apps, mine doesn't.
no it wont you just not lookingfor right solutions
see how canada paves some roads now
with tech a young canadian girl designed
that last a lot longer then avg roads made
So gas cars don't have apps to record mileage or monitor fuel usage? LOL If this will happen to EV's eventually it will happen to gas cars as well. Greed is greed.
@@PyroShields
i pay 612 a month for my half a rent on 2 bedroom downtown in a city
i literally within 3 blocks have EVERYTHING i need
never need a car
glad i live in canada
Trucking corporations bribe politicians in many ways to push the cost of damage they do to the roads onto the general public. It is this MAINTENANCE cost that should be reflected in diesel fuel, but never is in proportion to the amount of damage they do. Construction costs should be borne by all users, in proportion to the amount of driving they do. Fairly easy to enforce because all cars have odometers that could be reported at tag renewal time and wrapped into the renewal fees.
The better alternative is to remove these taxes and introduce a 10% tax on coal , uranium and gas exports.
The damage to the road is proportional to the wheel load to the fourth power ! I.e double the load and theres 16 times the damage, so cars cause insignificant damage to the road, they only take up space.
California has an annual EV fee that is several times more than the tax that they would collect on fuel for an ICE car.
I remember many years ago in the northern suburbs of Melbourne, they repaved a freeway, it looked brand new. We then had a really hot summer and the trucks ripped it up in just days.
If they do, I may go rogue, leave my EV in the garage and run my old Hilux off homemade bio-diesel.
Will dust off the electric bike.
I'm not going to become a tax collector for the government. If they want my speedo read, they can send someone out to do it.
Makes no sense when EVs are a net benefit, reducing pollution and dependence on foreign oil imports. They should be paying you for every mile.
Your just as ignorant as Sam, nothing is gonna stop Oil. If the clothes and shoes you are wearing aren't made of cotton, wool or leather what do you think they're made of? All Sythetic materials are made from Oil, wow really. All these electric cars with the Faux leather seats and plastics yep Oil, wow really. Your plastic water bottles because I WON'T drink water from a tap, yep Oil. Grow up.
If they bring in bloody log books, that’ll almost send me back to ICE.
All that would be needed is a certified/verified photo of your odometer reading at the yearly registration or from the purchase date to see how many kilometres the vehicle has travelled in 12. Months. No need for a log 📕
My fellow Aussies never fail to disappoint 😂😂😂
It would be the end of ev growth. It would like taxing people for quitting smoking to make up for lost cigarette tax
We dont need more taxes we need less spending and corruption
pretty sure australia will tax breathing in 2050
Haha
LOL
Western Australia also has a 3c/km charge. I definitely don't want to pay both a state and federal tax!!! Next they will tax very fuel efficient cars. Trucks cause the most damage, yet they don't pay the tax!!!! It will also save the govenment's current account as we will be importing less fuel. Next they will tax you for riding your bicycle.
Imagine if the government didn’t privatise toll roads. There would be no need to introduce additional taxes on motorists.
We have governments doing dumb things like this which encourage productive and entrepreneurial aussies to migrate to better run economies.
Remove the tax on fuel, charge the tax on the tires, and charge a lot more on Commercial Tires!
I've never heard that idea before. I think it might be a good one except it would make tires extremely expensive and people would tend to run on bald tires
@@richardnwilson Keep in mind Trucks transport goods we buy so the cost will get passed down to us either way.
@@richardnwilson add random and yearly inspections to the vehicles as part of continued registration!
@@PyroShields all vehicles need well maintained roads.
Fuel tax is just an excuse to tax the end user, every tax goes into general revenue to run the business of government. How do you think we get freebies like Medicare, NDIS etc
Nothing new about this, 2027/8 was mentioned well over 5 years ago.
Logbook, pfft disconnect the speedo cable and use GPS to tell what speed you are going.
They have multiple wheel speed sensors don't they? VSS wire may need to be modded
@@neiliewheeliebin You can roll back the mileage..
@@PyroShields Should be easier with an EV.
@TEV Sam Evans, fantastic explanation of the situation on this tax issue in australia. Fantastic also that you will be fighting it in court. I would say that you should add another argument to your court case, that because Australia has to import most if not all of its oil products because it has no refineries or no oil productions, then fossil fuel vehicles cause a massive transfer of wealth from Australians to oil producing products countries, thereby also reducing Australia's currency and the purchasing power and standard of living of australians. On the flip side, because Australia has probably the absolute best renewable electricity solar/wind resources in the world, they could reverse that equation by getting rid of all oil imports and producing their own energy at near zero cost thereby boosting their currency and purchasing power and standard of living of all australians. Hope this helps. Good luck!
If labour does this, then labour is dead to me.
"I did not think that this government was likely to do this"
Really?
Did you pay attention what your government was capable to do a few years ago?
Unless Australia is an oil producer wouldn't the country also save revenue by not having to import as much oil with increasing EV adoption?
"Australia's secret plan to tax EV owners every time they drive revealed" - great work thank you, let's maintain and escalate the rage.
I've got the solution, make large corporations pay their fair share of tax.
They undoubtedly do. Why should EV owners get handouts and privileges?
@@joemccarthy7120 BS most of them pay nothing at all. Do some research and the truth will be revealed to you.
At a 50c/l fuel excise it works out to roughly 4c a km for my ICE car. That excise helps fund road maintenance and construction. This is separate to GST, income taxes and other forms of levies and taxes we all pay for living in a commonwealth. So EV’s are getting a free ride on the funding of roads at the moment. This is untenable long term as the mix moves towards electrification.
Australia has always been conservative and short term thinkers. Why would it be different for EVs?
It was inevitable because oil consumption was due to drop as more people opt for ev,s. Bet your bottom dollar that all governments will replace the fuel tax with some sort of electricity tax .
Maybe an electric bike?
Cancel the submarines
The subsidies on fuel are not for road going vehicles. Most of these subsidies are for agriculture, remove them and the cost of everything you buy at the supermarket will increase. A viable electric tractor is not something that will be around anytime soon, the power needed is just too great for any current batteries.
At this point voting for the duopoly is madness, shame on us
The Electric Viking will announce tomorrow he is buying a 5.0 ICE Mustang GT. 😂🤣
This will penalize people who live in rural areas. It will an interesting election issue.
No different to the current petrol excise... sorry but about time this tax dodge is closed down.
@@michaeloliver1662 A new tax is a new tax. We already have to many taxes for road users.
@Terry-y2r a tax on motorists mate. Currently EV motorists are not paying. Do I like paying the fuel excise, no. Don't like paying GST, or PAYG either but that's the price we pay to pay all the things our taxes fund. If you don't want to pay your share for being a motorists, EV or ICE then take the bus or walk. It's about time this loophole was shut down.
@@michaeloliver1662 Then buy an EV. All the taxes you mention tax the average worker and poor at high levels when you add them up. They allow taxes on big business to be minimized. Tax the export of coal, uranium and gas an extra 10% and you can replace all the petrol taxes. he result is lower transport costs, better for the economy all round.
@Terry-y2r road users are taxed, pay your share. Don't want to pay it then walk. Everyone buying an EV is only going to make the Government act faster. About time they fixed it.
If they’re going to tax for road usage then they need to drop tax on electricity
They have taxed road usage for years, its called fuel excise
The Electricity that you choose to use from your home to charge your car is the same as the petrol that we ICE vehicle used pay to fill our cars. The electricity and petrol both have a GST component. The EV tax is to compensate for EV's not paying excise. So you will end up paying a per KM tax and the Electricity and the GST on that Electricity. This is the same as ICE cars paying for petrol / Diesel with excise tax and GST. It's only fair.
The Australian Government needs to be paying EV owners revenue for reducing carbon emissions. These politicians are dumber than a bag of hammers!
Both Labor & Liberal Party are the same.
They have no idea how to run a successful national Economy for the Aussies but looking after their mates in business and themselves.
If only we did not sign up AUD600B for the " future " submarine but already paid more than USD3B so far to the US without even seeing a single rivert of these Submarines 😢😢
One of our road commissioners here in Wisconsin has stated that one legally load quad-axle dump truck wears the road as much as 9,600 sedans. Don't believe that heavy trucks wear the road? Invite one to drive on your driveway. Trucking companies employ lobbyists to "guide" the lawmakers when taxation laws are written. Those of use driving cars massively subsidize the trucking industries. Wisconsin's clean car tax adds to this subsidy as there is an extra $175/ year registration fee AND 3 cents/ kWh tax for charging away from home.
They get lobbyed from both sides. Everything you hear has another side to it
Australia is a huge country geographically with a small population so personal taxation will be high. Smoking, drinking, gambling, driving and other user pays activities all pay a heavy contribution to overall taxation.
Eventually no vehicles will use fossil fuels. When that happens, the fuel excise lost will have to be made up somewhere else. Simple mathematics. We are all used to paying fuel excise. I drive an EV now and enjoy the fuel excise I am now saving. But as EV ownership increases so does the amount of excise paid reduce. It can't last. Simple mathematics again. I know that, so should you. We simply have to pay our way.
I can’t afford a pint of beer at the pub. They keep putting the alcohol tax up, twice a year. The lucky country.
They need only charge us more to license them. 😟 Our politicians are as bright as Mr Trump. 😜
So my grandma who travels about 100km a year has to pay a lot more and the same as some one travelling 100,000km and does 1000X the road damage.
Not sure how that will work with hybrid vehicles. I'll be looking for a new car later this year and the numbers are in favor of an ICE vehicle. Like all other things, if it's good for your health or good for the environment, expect to pay double the price.
Exactly. How much kilometres were done using petrol against how many kilometres 6:26 on electric?
Here in America, pilot programs for taxing every mile driven are currently in progress, both on a federal level and here in California. Once implemented, EV owners can expect 2 annual bills in their mail.
BEVs are only 15% heavier than equivalent ICE vehicles and not significantly heavier.
Citing road wear is particularly stupid, as you have to imagine that the most severe road wear is caused by hard/rapid breaking, rather than the regular action of tyres moving over asphalt.
Since essentially all BEVs use regenerative braking, which naturally results in more gradual braking, it seems quite likely that EVs (as well as regular cars equipped with regenerative braking) would lead to less road wear, not more.
Tell that one to the guys that fit vehicle ramps
@@andrewfindlay9099 there are heavier ICE SUVs than most battery vehicles (e.g. the Range Rover comes in at a curb weight of 2800kg compared to the Tesla Model X Plaid at 2400kg). If the ramps can’t cope with ICE vehicles then they aren’t fit for purpose.
@@stevetodd7383 Compare like for like , yes a mini is lighter than a Range Rover but not same vehicle if the battery pack is so light why do you need special equipment to remove it some run at a ton in weight
@@andrewfindlay9099 The Model X is a like for like. It's Tesla's large SUV with up to 7 seats. Ramp manufacturers build for a category of vehicle. In the UK PLG class cars can weigh up to 3499kg, you'll find that typical garage ramps have a design limit of between 3000 and 4000kg. Also, look at the weight of a large ICE engine, you need specialist equipment if you need to lift that out of a vehicle.
Good episode Sam. Long time fan... keep going!
Here in NZ we have being paying RUC on all EVs since January last year. It's no drama and is $77 per 1000km. They are also looking at the same on Petrol Sales and remove all current fuel taxes and just charge RUC on every car so it becomes a real user pay system .
In the US you pay the EV tax when you register your car every year. Australia's idea is ridiculous, people will just roll back the mileage creating another problem.
In Oregon to get your title and tags for 2 years for a Tesla is about $750.00,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
@@ddyeo503 How much for a gas car?
Greens and Teals may be looney tunes sometimes but they are not malicious like our current duopoly
The Greens leader , Adam Bandt achieved a PHD in Marxist thought in 2008. He was heavily involved in Marxist activities at university. Many Greens have a similar taste in Communism. There has never been a successful Communist economy. Even China is outclassed by Taiwan and Singapore. Previous to the take over Hong Kong also out achieved China. This is clearly seen by comparing life spans.
How much tax are they collecting per KWH with the worlds highest energy prices.
They are getting free electricity from my solar excess capacity. How about I get a payin tarriff
Of course. Predicted that the first time electric cars went on sale by Tesla. Govt are huge, voracious consumers.
New Zealand's road user charge is based upon both distance and vehicle GVM. Diesel fuel is tax-free at the pump [ mainly because there was such an administrative load in trying to work out the rebates due to farmers, fishermen, etc who had machinery not involved in road work.] The road user charge is supposed to be ring-fenced for road maintenance.
It is true that the government pays $billions in rebates, but only to liquid fuel miners, farmers and warehouse operators who don't use public roads or bridges.
Can you detail what the fossil fuel subsidies are? I suspect that they aren't subsidies at all but situations where the government doesn't impose the fuel excise. Eg. Farm vehicles using diesel off road, mining vehicles not using public roads, shipping etc.
That's exactly what it is.
Vikings on a mission, stop ruining his narrative with facts. lol.
@@SaintKimbo write these facts or you are liar
In New Zealand it's called Road User Charges or RUC and it applies to diesel and EVs
I'm perplexed by the afr quote that says fuel excise dropped from 7.8% to 3.9% over the last 20 odd years. This clearly has nothing to do with electric cars as the penetration rate is too low to account for that change. In any case who justifies a tax by saying it should be 7% or 8% or whatever of the federal budget. Most likely the percentage has dropped because other taxes have increased at a faster rate than petrol excise. I just think this is a politician pulling out a meaningless statistic in an attempt to justify another cash grab. Would not surprise me if the rate of such a tax was punative since the petrol excise obviously is already.
Have the military pay emission tax and VAT, problem solved.
I have always said if it’s about fair share then the fuel excise needs to be abolished and a RUC based on the vehicles GCM needs to be implemented
Electric Viking: Don't use the roads then. There are no trucks driving thru my neighborhood, yet the roads still need repairs.
13:00 BECAUSE EVERYONE PAYS IT…. You have always paid it what in the name of god is wrong with you Sam. It’s a road tax how do you not understand that. The road for the car you drive….
It's all part of the virtue signalling mindset, "I'm saving the environment, I'm contributing to better overall health, why should I be taxed, it's outrageous"
Log books are the least of your worries when working out how many km one does a year.
Mark my words, new tech and government overreach, will, in all likelihood, in just a few years' time, have EVs communicating with Government servers so they will know exactly how far you've travelled and where you've been. That tech already exists, in the cars, it's just another simple layer to fwd that data to a central Govt server. Big brother is here to monitor your travels!
Yes, this is what I was thinking, they may also stick cameras or radar like devices everywhere, to record where your vehicle goes with a transmitter built into your car that communicates with a central database, and to make things that much more convenient for them, they will have access to your bank accounts to scoop up your payment straight away !
Can only speak to my situation in the state of Minnesota USA where a reasonable flat annual fee is assessed for each EV which do go to the transportation improvement fund. I know some other states have much higher and less reasonable annual fees but here that is not the case. The concept is fair if applied to all vehicles regardless of fuel source. BTW trucks and heavy vehicles pay much higher annual fees for road repair and maintenance.
I agree that's it's a horrible idea for all the same reasons that you put forward. Doing the basic maths on my ICE car vs my EV and charging at home (no solar) I am paying around 15% of a tank of fuel for the same mileage. With the excise at 2,8c/km then that would add another 15% so total around 30%.....still way cheaper and once my solar is up and running then back to around 15%.
BS tax though, almost becomes pointless owning a PHEV. I think other governments are also talking about it :(
Removing subsidies on fuel tax credits, is a tax on consumers, who do you think is going end up paying it? It only goes to business... These arguments are simplistic at best and more likely deceptive.
Governments for years have taxed road usage via fuel excise, it is one argument to say that the trucks do most of the damage but taxing them results in higher prices for everything. Just pay your road tax like everybody else and stop complaining, be grateful governments have let it go so long trying to encourage take up.
Not a criticism of your reporting, but it is worth mentioning that full size truck registration is 10 plus thousand dollars a year per vehicle.
Keep up the good work👍👍
Don't you PAY Road Tax in Australia ? The Government should bring in a General Road TAX on all cars Biased on the Co2 Emissions Like we do in the UK
The Higher the Emission the more your CAR Costs to ROAD TAX ?
That would be terribly unfair.
The English government is doing the same thing from March this year.
The English Government is its own condemnation.
Proves electric car push was a scam and not about the environment, you can't push electric vehicles then complain about loss of revenue from gasoline
If the gov cut waste and fraud then we could eliminate income tax altogether
Yes, they pay $40 billion in Indigenous welfare each year, and everytime somebody tries to properly audit that, they get shouted down as wacist, seems a bit suss.
Good. You have to pay to play. And there is a guy in Scotland, his Tesla was caught in the rain on the weekend and now it needs a new battery.
Tesla is blaming him and will not honor the warranty.
Got to love their customer service and the build quality.
That would never happen to a gas car.
In New Zealand we now pay 7.6 cents per KM + a administration fee $12.48 to buy the RUC
Total ~ 8.8c NZ for 1000km then, about 7.9c Australian.
If we look at 50c (edit, it might be 44c or so per litre) fuel excise per litre here, at 10lt/100km, that is 100lt/1000km, and $50/1000km = 5c/km.
Not far off in comparison, but a lot higher than Sam states re Victoria's introduced 2.8c/km.
In fairness, all pay rego, all should pay something contribution to using the roads, but you have to ask how serious is this climate 'emergency' that sees us rushing into extremely costly renewables (at this stage of rollout).
Govco are going to ream all road users as much as possible, that's the bottom line.
What is vehicle registration for? Driver license tax? Soon they'll have bicycle tax!
There will be a tax on the action of paying tax. 😂
And then the air we breathe