Sketchup does this same thing too (plus all the other benefits of 3D modeling tool). Just drag a rectangle and start typing the dimensions and hit enter lol. Then if you want to model the thickness use the pull tool to start pulling your rectagle in a direction and just type that distance and hit enter. SUPER easy.
@@MooseDoesStuff Uhmm... If i am understanding what you are asking, Yes? lol You make the constrained space by making the original rectangle. So for a sheet good, start a rectangle then type 8', 4' and it will draw an 8x4 rectangle. You are then free to draw as many more rectangles as you would like (just as easily) ON that shape.
@@MooseDoesStuff yep! just draw a rectangle and type in 14', 15' hit enter. Then you can either use the midpoint provided (they pop up at all the corners and midpoints), or use the tap measure tool to make a mark wherever you'd like, if you weren't using the middle. To your point there is a minimal learning curve as some of the functions i just described aren't obvious, BUT I would argue that the first time you use ANY tool you would have to figure out the basic ways to draw/move shapes. It is def not as steep as CAD!! Def always reccomend it.
I've used Illustrator in a simular way. You can set the grid and other options to inch, foot, meter measures etc. The key is the setup. It's been a while since I've use Illustrator and ofter I just resort to grid paper straightedge and compass.
Of course you won't use a CAD program for your fifth butt joint box. But how to you create your own joints or visualize design creations without wasting wood and shop time?
@@MooseDoesStuff For me, using Fusion 360 and similar software suites have helped me tremendously during both design, construction and revisions. Especially having variable dimensions and measuring distances is extremely handy. If I want to show someone else what I am building it's handy just to show or send them a screenshot or rendered image of the 3D model with various camera angles, and making revisions to the design is extremely easy. I can also print 1:1 or scale design drawings of plan views to get all numerical dimensions and angles on paper, also the extra ones I did not explicitly specify and/or would have trouble calculating myself. So just for pure basic woodworking I find it much easier to plan stuff when I have a dynamic 3D model to work with. And in addition to that I use the same model in Fusion 360 to laser cut router templates and plastic parts, CNC cut pieces of wood, 3D print fittings and hardware, and design circuit boards, all in the same Fusion 360 model, but that's just icing on the cake, and plenty of people really love the methodology of using CAD with just woodworking alone, as you also mentioned in the video with all the Fusion 360 and Sketchup tutorials there is for woodworkers. The learning curve is steeper, but it is sure worth it IMHO, and I'm never going back. I respect people that choose differently, as we are all different, but I know I am not alone.
And you think all of that is necessary for someone starting their woodworking or building process? Like I said at the end, when your skills get to the point that you can actually produce something complicated enough that would benefit from CAD, you'll know. But that isn't most people, and it's nobody when they're starting. @@SeanChYT
@@MooseDoesStuff When starting you just need a piece of wood, some glue and a handsaw. However, if you start your learning process on the wrong track, then you could miss out.
@SeanChYT doing things for fun and interest is definitely NOT the wrong track. that's the point of the video. people got by doing woodworking for thousands of years without CAD and the push from people to say everyone needs to start with CAD or it's "the wrong path" is gatekeeping shenanigans.
With all due respect you are quite wrong and rather go backwards. You point about SketchUp is correct but for the wrong reason - SketchCrap is just a terrible software period. Shapr3D is so easy to learn, so versatile, you do your traditional drafting in the sketch, 3D model, and then the app makes your shop drawings. It does not get faster and more precise. As a designer that makes 3D objects I want to use a 3D tool and not a 2D tool and have it imagine the final 3D object …
Which part am I wrong about? Say I'm wrong all you want, but specify why. I think, rather than me going backwards, you're trying to skip foundational steps and you're losing out on basic skills. You say you let your app make the shop drawings, I bet when you find yourself in a situation where you don't have the app available, you're going to really struggle. If you can't imagine a final 3d object, you're really not much of a designer. Finally, saying "Shapr3d is so easy to learn"... is exactly my point. You don't need to learn a package like fireworks - it's intuitive. But if you wanna prove me wrong, go make a video that does what I do in this, and show how shapr is faster and more intuitive.
@@MooseDoesStuffYou can use Fireworks a WebDesign tool to make your pattern layout if you want. I rather teach my students quick sketches and then we go into CAD because it offers a much better experience and method to explore designs. That’s also how we work in the industry btw ;)
@@MooseDoesStuff you are getting pretty offensive - not really a strong way to discuss but ok ... You continue using fireworks - we teach the students to sketch ideas quickly and refine in 3D, as also our commercial clients we do work with to do because that is how the industry works today.
@@cekuhnen oh, sorry, my bad.... I missed your foam core video 😂🤣 hmu when you've framed a house, powercarved a bench, or have actually built any of those ikea pieces you've ripped modeling for content 🙄
Sketchup does this same thing too (plus all the other benefits of 3D modeling tool). Just drag a rectangle and start typing the dimensions and hit enter lol. Then if you want to model the thickness use the pull tool to start pulling your rectagle in a direction and just type that distance and hit enter. SUPER easy.
can you place it in a constrained space by coordinates?
@@MooseDoesStuff Uhmm... If i am understanding what you are asking, Yes? lol
You make the constrained space by making the original rectangle. So for a sheet good, start a rectangle then type 8', 4' and it will draw an 8x4 rectangle. You are then free to draw as many more rectangles as you would like (just as easily) ON that shape.
@karicallegra8194 can you draw a 14x15 room, and place a bed on the centre of one wall? without going thru the effort of learning CAD? 😆
@@MooseDoesStuff yep! just draw a rectangle and type in 14', 15' hit enter. Then you can either use the midpoint provided (they pop up at all the corners and midpoints), or use the tap measure tool to make a mark wherever you'd like, if you weren't using the middle.
To your point there is a minimal learning curve as some of the functions i just described aren't obvious, BUT I would argue that the first time you use ANY tool you would have to figure out the basic ways to draw/move shapes. It is def not as steep as CAD!! Def always reccomend it.
I've used Illustrator in a simular way. You can set the grid and other options to inch, foot, meter measures etc. The key is the setup. It's been a while since I've use Illustrator and ofter I just resort to grid paper straightedge and compass.
I haven't had illustrator in quite a while, glad it's another option!
In photoshop you can select ‘auto select’ so its selects shapes in different layers
did not know!
Inkscape for a FOSS alternative?
hadn't heard of that one!
So essentially any 2d (or 3d) design program will do it. Props for your resourcefulness.
yes, but interface matters as well. fireworks is extremely intuitive, most 3d out drafting programs are not
I dont really get it. This is just a step up from using Paint of Word, right?
hey, if you can do what you need in those, by all means! my point is not to try to force using CAD when you definitely don't need to
Of course you won't use a CAD program for your fifth butt joint box. But how to you create your own joints or visualize design creations without wasting wood and shop time?
the same way people did it 20 years ago, 200 years ago, or 2000 years ago.
I disagree, but whatever works for people is good by me.
What do you disagree about?
@@MooseDoesStuff For me, using Fusion 360 and similar software suites have helped me tremendously during both design, construction and revisions. Especially having variable dimensions and measuring distances is extremely handy. If I want to show someone else what I am building it's handy just to show or send them a screenshot or rendered image of the 3D model with various camera angles, and making revisions to the design is extremely easy. I can also print 1:1 or scale design drawings of plan views to get all numerical dimensions and angles on paper, also the extra ones I did not explicitly specify and/or would have trouble calculating myself. So just for pure basic woodworking I find it much easier to plan stuff when I have a dynamic 3D model to work with. And in addition to that I use the same model in Fusion 360 to laser cut router templates and plastic parts, CNC cut pieces of wood, 3D print fittings and hardware, and design circuit boards, all in the same Fusion 360 model, but that's just icing on the cake, and plenty of people really love the methodology of using CAD with just woodworking alone, as you also mentioned in the video with all the Fusion 360 and Sketchup tutorials there is for woodworkers. The learning curve is steeper, but it is sure worth it IMHO, and I'm never going back. I respect people that choose differently, as we are all different, but I know I am not alone.
And you think all of that is necessary for someone starting their woodworking or building process? Like I said at the end, when your skills get to the point that you can actually produce something complicated enough that would benefit from CAD, you'll know. But that isn't most people, and it's nobody when they're starting. @@SeanChYT
@@MooseDoesStuff When starting you just need a piece of wood, some glue and a handsaw. However, if you start your learning process on the wrong track, then you could miss out.
@SeanChYT doing things for fun and interest is definitely NOT the wrong track. that's the point of the video. people got by doing woodworking for thousands of years without CAD and the push from people to say everyone needs to start with CAD or it's "the wrong path" is gatekeeping shenanigans.
With all due respect you are quite wrong and rather go backwards.
You point about SketchUp is correct but for the wrong reason - SketchCrap is just a terrible software period.
Shapr3D is so easy to learn, so versatile, you do your traditional drafting in the sketch, 3D model, and then the app makes your shop drawings.
It does not get faster and more precise.
As a designer that makes 3D objects I want to use a 3D tool and not a 2D tool and have it imagine the final 3D object …
Which part am I wrong about? Say I'm wrong all you want, but specify why.
I think, rather than me going backwards, you're trying to skip foundational steps and you're losing out on basic skills. You say you let your app make the shop drawings, I bet when you find yourself in a situation where you don't have the app available, you're going to really struggle.
If you can't imagine a final 3d object, you're really not much of a designer.
Finally, saying "Shapr3d is so easy to learn"... is exactly my point. You don't need to learn a package like fireworks - it's intuitive. But if you wanna prove me wrong, go make a video that does what I do in this, and show how shapr is faster and more intuitive.
@@MooseDoesStuffYou can use Fireworks a WebDesign tool to make your pattern layout if you want. I rather teach my students quick sketches and then we go into CAD because it offers a much better experience and method to explore designs.
That’s also how we work in the industry btw ;)
@@cekuhnen because all you know is cad, and you don't actually build anything?
@@MooseDoesStuff you are getting pretty offensive - not really a strong way to discuss but ok ...
You continue using fireworks - we teach the students to sketch ideas quickly and refine in 3D, as also our commercial clients we do work with to do because that is how the industry works today.
@@cekuhnen oh, sorry, my bad.... I missed your foam core video 😂🤣
hmu when you've framed a house, powercarved a bench, or have actually built any of those ikea pieces you've ripped modeling for content 🙄