But it still talks in depth about this black white thing, lm feel for the slaves of the civil war, I took American history in college I'm sorry for their treatment during that time but after you get tired of having the issue crammed Down our throats, I didn't bring any slaves to the Americas, Jesus Christ enough
That he and his wife read poetry to one another. In this they were typical Victorians. The paradox was that even in the mining camps of the West Shakespeare was lapped up by ordinary men who in spirit were like the “groundlings” who attended the Globe.
Oh a huge AMEN to that! I totally agree; we need a final effort for the trilogy. But Gods and Generals, because of way too much time away from battle scenes and too much time on personal presentation, was as unpopular as Gettysburg was popular. I read a few years back that because the revenue stream from Gods and Generals was so abysmal, Turner has no interest at all in pursuing a third effort.
I know that some people are going to be upset about what I am going to say. But I've been a student of the civil war since I was a child. And if I could go back in history I would have fought and died for the south even though I was born in the north.slavery had to die do to the moral impact on the people. I truly believe that most men blue or gray fought for there own rights as men. And whose to say it wont or cant happen again. People today want to tear our history from the record books .there fools because if we the people let that happen. Were bound to do it again. And the bloodshed would be so much worse than it was the first time
Ms. Abernathy is a superb actress and offered a lot to that movie. Credibility and believability. Not to mention amazing beauty. She is just way too sexy.
Joe Bubenz Should I watch G&G? Because on one hand I know it's fairly historically accurate with the battle scenes, but on the hand I feel that it's filled to the brim with cheesiness.
Justin Turullols I'd say it's worth it. Gettysburg is a better movie though. I'd advice going to your local library and renting both. I never spend a cent on movies.
It's not factually right that the war was about slavery, it's more complex than just that. Check Lincoln's statements at the start & well into the war & he's saying nothing about freeing all the slaves ?
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." -Lincoln. Yea, your right.
Every southern states' declaration of succession deemed slavery their chief cause directly or indirectly..that is from the primary sources not one's imagination.
tharleyify - in high school, my junior year history teacher made that assertion, and I have strived to be more broad-minded ever since. But it does come down to the thorny issue that the Founding Fathers left for future generations to deal with. I call it "growing pains, " and I acknowledge that many issues contributed to igniting the Civil War : sectional differences, industrial vs agrarian societies, states' rights vs federal mandate, economic policy, and direction of an adolescent nation, among others. I get that. Some years ago, I watched part of a PBS documentary on the development of New York City. I learned that the foundational infrastructure of that great city was built by slave labor, and my eyes were opened. Slavery is a tremendous economic boon to a society, but it costs that society dearly. I never forget that in the U. S. Constitution, a slave is counted as 3/5 of a man. That's in black-and-white to this day. We know subsequent amendments "corrected" that error. However, there are Americans today who don't think that was an error. I know most Union troops were not fighting to free the slaves: they wanted to preserve the Union. I know most Southern soldiers were not fighting to preserve slavery: they were defending their homeland and their way of life. Problem is, the Southern way of life was based on slavery - not just the economy, but the entire way of life. Few Southerners owned slaves, but as it is today, the wealthy few exerted inordinate influence on the whole society. And even a homeless white person could derive comfort from knowing, "at least I'm not a slave." One comment I read held that "industrialization abolished slavery, " and I've seen other views that slavery was dying anyway. Guess what : slavery is still dying, but it ain't dead. Jim Crow laws and other subtle forms of oppression succeeded slavery. I remember when South Africa was a pariah, and I admired their boldness in encoding racial oppression within the law of the land. That's the way to do it, instead of sneaking around, red-lining, and talking in code. America resolves her problems by violence. Man, I hate to say that! Got a problem? : get a gun. That goes back to our founding, and that "speak softly and carry a big stick " philosophy never ruled out the big stick. Was war inevitable? Probably not, but given our history, war was likely. America couldn't continue part-slave and part-free. We've been a nation of hypocrites from the beginning, but we have changed - some think for the worse. We have changed, but we still struggle with our individual prejudices, our ignorance, peer pressure, and a reluctance to recognize when we're wrong. I guess that's human nature. We can discuss all day the various factors that contributed to the Civil War - and we should - but ultimately it was time to address an issue that persists to this day: should all human beings be respected or not?
The military war was about states rights. The political war was about slavery. There were Confederate generals who were anti-slavery, and there were racist Unionists.
@@DakkogiRauru23 - I appreciate your comment : again, it shows how we're making an effort to examine how complicated issues can be and striving to acknowledge that there can be two valid sides to a conflict. I watched the Sam Elliott / Katherine Ross Western "Conagher" recently. The title character makes a thoughtful statement: "When killin' time comes, make sure you're on the right side." Not the strongest side, or the most popular side, or the most plausible side: the "right side." Everyone has to determine that for himself.
The political climate had changed since Gettysburg. Under Clinton the media became more progressive and asking to determine why blacks were not doing as well as hoped, they seized upon the idea that black slavery was “baked into” the American political system and the cause of the inability of blacks to progress.
This interview has not aged well! I cannot get over the part Frankie Faison saying the civil war was not about slavery. Was he Sarcastic? where did he go to high school? Not the south.
I wonder how the nation would feel today if 80% of one section's tax money was going to support the industry of another section. It was not just about slavery. Why is no mention made of this?
Slavery is slavery it's wrong all together and it didn't just happen to Black people it also happened to the English at one time when the Roman empire came into their land's as conquereres you think when they went in there the woman gave them permission to take them not to mention the Hebrews in eqypt slavery has happened all over are planet in time even today possibly it's not just didn't happened to Black people
I would also like to add they tossed in Irish imagrints into that mess right as soon as they basically got off the boat hoping for a new better life and there told to kill and die for people they didn't even know
In French words .... Pourquoi Lincoln a t'il annexé des états refusant son autorité ? Ce n'est pas au nom de l'esclavage ... sinon il aurait pillé le Delaware ...Je crains que la question ne reste sur son égo démesuré .
There was a rift in between the north and south, the south thought the Federal Government was against their way of life, so the south started seeing themselves as not being part of the union...............almost the same way trump supporters see themselves today, but I've seen this movie already and I already know how it ends and trump supporters seem not to remember their own history and how it ended for them. By the way, I am from the south, Texas to be exact.
Men did not die for blacks,blacks fought with both sides,some were forced others chose to fight. 27 defended a general when they could of shot him and rode off. The war was over southern independence. You deny that you are not educated,Lincoln himself was going to free then send all Africans back to Africa. That is not a doubt,but look at the union segregated regiments by color used colored as body shields,several a union units refused to fight with the blacks,confederate white men fought shoulder to shoulder with blacks treated as brothers.
Slavery as a system of labour was contrary to that of free labour. The man who had slaves had a huge advantage over the man who had only his labour that that of his family and his employees.
Slavery is obviously an outdated idea, but Robert was a capitalist, so he must be honored. Over time, millions of people would be saved if things were resolved through negotiation.
Stonewall Jackson was played beautifully in this movie!
Agree
But it still talks in depth about this black white thing, lm feel for the slaves of the civil war, I took American history in college I'm sorry for their treatment during that time but after you get tired of having the issue crammed Down our throats, I didn't bring any slaves to the Americas, Jesus Christ enough
Wish those slave were ran aground at sea, been paying for this injustice for years gets old after a while
That he and his wife read poetry to one another. In this they were typical Victorians. The paradox was that even in the mining camps of the West Shakespeare was lapped up by ordinary men who in spirit were like the “groundlings” who attended the Globe.
@ Judy S. actually it was'nt poetry, it was verse from the Bible that they were reading together. General Jackson was a very religious man.
I wish "The Last Full Measure" would be made, completing the trilogy.
i hated GaG and I would actually like this while we still have Mr. Duvall
@@pussypasta64and Daniel’s
I wish Ron Maxwell would make "The Last Full Measure" so we can have closure to this trilogy on the cinema screen
Oh a huge AMEN to that! I totally agree; we need a final effort for the trilogy. But Gods and Generals, because of way too much time away from battle scenes and too much time on personal presentation, was as unpopular as Gettysburg was popular. I read a few years back that because the revenue stream from Gods and Generals was so abysmal, Turner has no interest at all in pursuing a third effort.
Had this one tried to be more like Gettysburg instead of blatant Confederate propaganda then we would of had it by now.
@@rc59191
Propaganda? Says who?
@@rc59191 I guess you think Confederate propaganda is telling their side of the story
Of all the actors in this movie i prefer Stephen Lang's performance as Stonewall Jackson as the best. He really made Jackson complex and interesting.
Robert Duvall was a better Robert E Lee than Martin Sheen IMO. Not that Martin Sheen was bad in Gettysburg
I agree. Definitely more authentic
I know that some people are going to be upset about what I am going to say. But I've been a student of the civil war since I was a child. And if I could go back in history I would have fought and died for the south even though I was born in the north.slavery had to die do to the moral impact on the people. I truly believe that most men blue or gray fought for there own rights as men. And whose to say it wont or cant happen again. People today want to tear our history from the record books .there fools because if we the people let that happen. Were bound to do it again. And the bloodshed would be so much worse than it was the first time
Ms. Abernathy is a superb actress and offered a lot to that movie. Credibility and believability. Not to mention amazing beauty. She is just way too sexy.
"Gone for Soldiers" (2003), a book written by Jeff Shaara, should be made into a film.
Agreed. Great book.
I can't believe I saw this in the theater 11 years ago. It was bad. I'll stick with Glory, which IMO is the best Civil War movie ever made.
Glory was cheesy. G&G is cheesy, but extremely historically accurate
Joe Bubenz Should I watch G&G? Because on one hand I know it's fairly historically accurate with the battle scenes, but on the hand I feel that it's filled to the brim with cheesiness.
Justin Turullols Rent it. If you buy it, make sure you don't pay more than $10 for it. Or $8 for it.
cabalofdemons I don't have to use any money, because Putlocker. I'm just asking is it worth the cheesiness for historically accurate battle scenes?
Justin Turullols I'd say it's worth it. Gettysburg is a better movie though. I'd advice going to your local library and renting both. I never spend a cent on movies.
MAKE THE THIRD FILM
I wish they had made Last Full Measure :(
One day maybe. But be a new director and actors for the film.
Wonder how much Maxwell had to pay these actors to say the war wasn’t predominately about slavery… 🤡🤡🤡
verry good movie
History is complicated not just black and white
So very true. Folks need to go way back in history pre America and learn the struggles.
It's not factually right that the war was about slavery, it's more complex than just that. Check Lincoln's statements at the start & well into the war & he's saying nothing about freeing all the slaves ?
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not
either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without
freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all
the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and
leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and
the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and
what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to
save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing
hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing
more will help the cause."
-Lincoln.
Yea, your right.
Every southern states' declaration of succession deemed slavery their chief cause directly or indirectly..that is from the primary sources not one's imagination.
tharleyify - in high school, my junior year history teacher made that assertion, and I have strived to be more broad-minded ever since. But it does come down to the thorny issue that the Founding Fathers left for future generations to deal with.
I call it "growing pains, " and I acknowledge that many issues contributed to igniting the Civil War : sectional differences, industrial vs agrarian societies, states' rights vs federal mandate, economic policy, and direction of an adolescent nation, among others. I get that.
Some years ago, I watched part of a PBS documentary on the development of New York City. I learned that the foundational infrastructure of that great city was built by slave labor, and my eyes were opened. Slavery is a tremendous economic boon to a society, but it costs that society dearly.
I never forget that in the U. S. Constitution, a slave is counted as 3/5 of a man. That's in black-and-white to this day. We know subsequent amendments "corrected" that error. However, there are Americans today who don't think that was an error.
I know most Union troops were not fighting to free the slaves: they wanted to preserve the Union. I know most Southern soldiers were not fighting to preserve slavery: they were defending their homeland and their way of life.
Problem is, the Southern way of life was based on slavery - not just the economy, but the entire way of life. Few Southerners owned slaves, but as it is today, the wealthy few exerted inordinate influence on the whole society. And even a homeless white person could derive comfort from knowing, "at least I'm not a slave."
One comment I read held that "industrialization abolished slavery, " and I've seen other views that slavery was dying anyway. Guess what : slavery is still dying, but it ain't dead. Jim Crow laws and other subtle forms of oppression succeeded slavery. I remember when South Africa was a pariah, and I admired their boldness in encoding racial oppression within the law of the land. That's the way to do it, instead of sneaking around, red-lining, and talking in code.
America resolves her problems by violence. Man, I hate to say that! Got a problem? : get a gun. That goes back to our founding, and that "speak softly and carry a big stick " philosophy never ruled out the big stick. Was war inevitable? Probably not, but given our history, war was likely.
America couldn't continue part-slave and part-free. We've been a nation of hypocrites from the beginning, but we have changed - some think for the worse.
We have changed, but we still struggle with our individual prejudices, our ignorance, peer pressure, and a reluctance to recognize when we're wrong. I guess that's human nature.
We can discuss all day the various factors that contributed to the Civil War - and we should - but ultimately it was time to address an issue that persists to this day: should all human beings be respected or not?
The military war was about states rights. The political war was about slavery. There were Confederate generals who were anti-slavery, and there were racist Unionists.
@@DakkogiRauru23 - I appreciate your comment : again, it shows how we're making an effort to examine how complicated issues can be and striving to acknowledge that there can be two valid sides to a conflict.
I watched the Sam Elliott / Katherine Ross Western "Conagher" recently. The title character makes a thoughtful statement: "When killin' time comes, make sure you're on the right side." Not the strongest side, or the most popular side, or the most plausible side: the "right side." Everyone has to determine that for himself.
I will never understand why this got such a bad box office rating... Im waiting for Last Full Measure...
The political climate had changed since Gettysburg. Under Clinton the media became more progressive and asking to determine why blacks were not doing as well as hoped, they seized upon the idea that black slavery was “baked into” the American political system and the cause of the inability of blacks to progress.
This interview has not aged well! I cannot get over the part Frankie Faison saying the civil war was not about slavery. Was he Sarcastic? where did he go to high school? Not the south.
13:40-13:42
Ouch....
Cana. Was in Galilee. And also. Calvary's Zion
I wonder how the nation would feel today if 80% of one section's tax money was going to support the industry of another section. It was not just about slavery. Why is no mention made of this?
last full measure has been canceled
Slycargo Bravado Which to me is a real shame.
John Kelly Shelburne agree cant make 2 movies and then just stop its ridiculous
Slavery is slavery it's wrong all together and it didn't just happen to Black people it also happened to the English at one time when the Roman empire came into their land's as conquereres you think when they went in there the woman gave them permission to take them not to mention the Hebrews in eqypt slavery has happened all over are planet in time even today possibly it's not just didn't happened to Black people
I would also like to add they tossed in Irish imagrints into that mess right as soon as they basically got off the boat hoping for a new better life and there told to kill and die for people they didn't even know
Slavery is wrong ... right .... But a free South is right too... Right to people to govern themself
In French words .... Pourquoi Lincoln a t'il annexé des états refusant son autorité ? Ce n'est pas au nom de l'esclavage ... sinon il aurait pillé le Delaware ...Je crains que la question ne reste sur son égo démesuré .
I plead fifth. Nation. Ucc
There was a rift in between the north and south, the south thought the Federal Government was against their way of life, so the south started seeing themselves as not being part of the union...............almost the same way trump supporters see themselves today, but I've seen this movie already and I already know how it ends and trump supporters seem not to remember their own history and how it ended for them. By the way, I am from the south, Texas to be exact.
You have an opinion of Trump supporters' motivations that is completely backwards.
LETS GO BRANDON. OLD VIRGINIA!!!
Off-topic, mijo.
To be saying "I believe" she is damn confident. Wish they would let her out of it.
Men did not die for blacks,blacks fought with both sides,some were forced others chose to fight. 27 defended a general when they could of shot him and rode off. The war was over southern independence. You deny that you are not educated,Lincoln himself was going to free then send all Africans back to Africa. That is not a doubt,but look at the union segregated regiments by color used colored as body shields,several a union units refused to fight with the blacks,confederate white men fought shoulder to shoulder with blacks treated as brothers.
the war was about more than just southern rights ... all ur other points are right but it was not just about the south
Slavery as a system of labour was contrary to that of free labour. The man who had slaves had a huge advantage over the man who had only his labour that that of his family and his employees.
Slavery is obviously an outdated idea, but Robert was a capitalist, so he must be honored. Over time, millions of people would be saved if things were resolved through negotiation.
that woman is just horrible
Well I for one wouldn't fight to free the slaves long live the confederacy 👍🏻😡
William Freeman more than 80% of the confederate soldiers weren't even fighting to keep slaves...so....