Incidentally, the term VHS stands for Vertical Helical Scan. This refers to the method that the video head engages the tape. Its path is a vertical helix as developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation). The retailers always attributed VHS to mean Video Home System because this was far more palatable to consumers than Vertical Helical Scan.
The rewind wheel is called a shuttle. Does that wheel turn into a jog. A jog lets you turn the wheel and go frame by frame for precise editing. I had a jvc hr-s6700u which was nice. This looks a little nicer. But I used mine for editing wedding videos in the mid 90's.
It looks good and is a pretty good machine for the average person that wants S-VHS and nothing more. From what I saw on the front, it doesn't seem to have any sort of Time Base Corrector or Digital Noise Reduction. For me and a good chunk of the video tape community the best VCRs are from the JVC HR-S range (consumer/prosumer) and their professional S-VHS range as well as some Panasonic models like the NV-HS950 or HS1000. Personally I use a JVC HM-DR10000EU VCR at home because I love how it looks and it has all the features I need as well as amazing picture quality - and I picked it up for cheap! It doesn't have any SM capacitors unlike this model and the Panasonics I mentioned earlier that cause issues. It also has the option to record in D-VHS (not D-Theater though so no HD and it doesn't have any digital outputs) and while I prefer to record S-VHS for the nostalgia recording in digital on VHS is always fun. Otherwise, the recorded S-VHS video is pretty much identical to the S-Video input save for some color leakage in high contrast areas but that's a quirk of VHS that can't be eliminated.
I agree! The Sony SVO-2000 is very, very far from being the best S-VHS deck. I also have a JVC HM-DR10000EU (D-VHS), a JVC HR-S9700 (S-VHS) and the Panasonic AG-8700 (S-VHS). The Panasonic is a contender for the best-ever S-VHS on par with the JVC BR-S822. I used both to convert my tapes and bought them when they came out, just over 20 years ago. It has the best TBC/NR of all and is a reel-to-reel audio recorder at 15IPS.
Honestly, I feel like an idiot after watching this. I have a handful of broadcasting monitors, but it never occurred to me, "Hey, maybe they also made broadcasting tape players too." I mean look at that thing. It is built like a tank, and has every output under the sun. I may contact the broadcasting station I got my stuff from, and ask them if they have any old tape players left.
I think S-VHS was rarely used at broadcast level, rather for lower budget/prosumer recording & editing. I think Betacam and similar would've typically been used in the analog era.
S-VHS was the bomb. I still have my two Mitsubishi HS-M1000 S-VHS machines. I didn’t see any features here which mine don’t have. They even have a “Remote A” and “Remote B” switch so the identical machines can be paired to just one remote (selecting B changes all the RF codes so the two units don’t react to the other unit’s remote). My Mitsubishis have the ‘jog/shuttle’ wheel on the remotes, not the units.
S-VHS came out in 1987, which was not nearly near the end of the format. I was there back in 1987 when it came out, so yes, I'm that old 😁 What came out near the end of the format around the year 2000 was D VHS, the digital version of the format. But I only discovered that recently, because around that time we were all watching DVDs. I read somewhere that the D-VHS was recording/playing at 50 Mbps 😲
Also W-VHS in between, an analog HD format on VHS, I think that may have only been in Japan though, where they had analog HD broadcast tv from the late 80s/early 90s.
About 14 years ago I ended up with "For Commercial Use Only" Panasonic AG-1970 and AG-1980 S-VHS VCRs from a thrift store. They also had magnetic control panels with a lot going on. There were also racks of AV equipment I didn't recognize in the thrift store so you could tell it all came from some studio or production setup that got donated all at once. I was on vacation across the country and couldn't fit much more than those two VCRs in my luggage, so I someone else got all the more exotic stuff. Anyway, these decks are incredible and also have an advanced 3D comb filter like your Sony. The comb filter isn't so much for reducing noise/interference as it is for removing composite artifacts when breaking it back down to Y/C or RGB (dot crawl and such). Faroudija makes the digital scaling hardware in a lot of high-end TVs and AV receivers so I have to assume the Sony has digital processing in some way.
Great machine! But I'd advise you to get rid of that automatic head cleaner. It does more damage than good, especially after so much time. Check it out for yourself - it spoils the drum and heads with gluey residue.
WOOOOOOOOO. Now are those pictures of Ric Flair part of this episode because we had that conversation yesterday regarding him Steve? 8^) Because you know I'm loving it. Much as I like thet Sony VCR, but Ric Flair? That's a tough decision not to like even more Steve. All hail the greatest of all time bro! 8^) Anthony...
Thanks Ryan. I do have another consumer VCR. It is a little newer and has a DVD built in with it. I can do a shorter video on it and then I could set up both for a side-by-side demo at the end. I need to find 2 copies of the same VHS tape or I can record a copy, lol. Thanks again, I think VCRs are interesting and I don't mind doing a couple more videos on them in the future.
12:56 that is showing better color contrast and brightness. S-video seperates the luma and chroma signals, so that makes sense. I saw another video where someone did something similar and you really need an actual S-VHS tape to get a difference. A regular VHS tape will only be marginally better. Good demo.
12:20 It's not just the VCR, it's the source recording and small monitor size. Output the signal to a much larger 700p or 1080p native flat screen, and I bet you're going to see a difference. That has been my experience, at least when using my N64 with modern TVs, as you kinda mentioned. That said, I have other questions: • Is this VCR able to transmit 420i (or whatever the resolution of SVHS is) via the composite video. If so, then the difference would be even less. • Are those monitors capable of displaying the higher resolution? I don't know. I could be a moron. :-)
Indeed, capturing from an S-VHS vcr is clearly better, there's vastly less chroma noise for example. The nature of CRT displays is likely going to hide much of this noise etc. Of course VHS was designed for use with CRT TVs, so it makes sense that the flaws of VHS are somewhat countered by using CRT TVs.
Yep, there were full HD & basically bluray quality. There wer also analog HD W-VHS decks, mostly for Japan where they had some broadcast analog HD from the late 80s/early 90s. Japan got some beautiful looking higher end VCRs, I had a look through online Japanese auctions a few days ago.
Thanks Robert. That is a Olympus OEV 1353MD. It's the same as a PVM 1353md, only it has a different name. I painted both the shells on these monitors in a couple past restorations. Here is a link to one of those vids. ruclips.net/video/hHYxDS1CS0M/видео.html
I have mixed thoughts on the SVO-2000 (and its consumer twin, the SLV-R1000). When they work, they work well. Very good picture and sound. But, the mechanisms in these are not the most reliable ever made, mainly because of weak plastic parts, such as the spring-loaded gearing for the tape guidepost shuttles. There can also be some electrical gremlins, mainly from leaky electrolytic capacitors due to age and wear. But at least they aren't as trouble-prone, capacitor wise, as the Panasonic AG-1980. The AG-1980, IMO, is superior in terms of A/V performance. But this model uses surface mount electrolytic capacitors that leak and cause major headaches that can be very tough to repair compared to the Sony SVO-2000.
@Watcher3223 …if not for the AG-1980s TBC nobody would give it a second look. Weight like a feather, made in Malaysia, and one of the most trouble prone SVHS decks ever made. Sony weighs over 15lbs, made in Japan w/Faroudja technology built-in.
@@DKN808 The AG-1980s I've used, and AG-1970s for that matter, were made in Japan and, while not the heaviest machines I've used, aren't exactly lightweight in their own right. When they work, they work quite well. And the 1970 used the G mechanism whereas the 1980 used the K mechanism, and both were generally pretty good with tape handling. Unfortunately, and again, some of the video circuits used those blasted SMD-type caps that leak their guts out and cause damage to the circuits that used them and are a royal pain to fix, assuming that repair is even possible. They also have relatively weak power supplies, typical of Panasonic VCRs. As for Faroudja technology, that would be for the HQ video processing. Higher end Sony VHS equipment tended to use full HQ whereas many lower end machines with HQ from many different brands ... including Sony ... used partial HQ processing to save on costs. Sony also used Faroudja video processing in their SL-HF870D SuperBeta hi-fi as well as their ED-Beta machines. And Sony also weren't the only ones to be licensed to use Faroudja technology for some of their VCRs. Mitsubishi have also used them on some of their models, such as the HS-U80 Super VHS VCR. And there are some JVC decks that have decent TBC courtesy of their DigiPure video processing circuits on some of their higher end Super VHS and Super VHS ET machines. However, I would dodge JVC machines with the Dynamic Drum mechanism; they're great when they work, but the VCR won't work too well when the drum tiling mechanism fails when one or more of the plastic gears that make it work splits and jams it all up.
id like to have one of these for audio purposes as it has manual level adjustment and it totally looks kick ass,my current sony vcr sounds great,i dont use it for video purposes but the picture is good too
10:09 I actually own that set of starwars VHS. But that's a really nice tape player. I know VHS isn't as good as DVD and blue ray but this is just super nice bro. Great video dude.👍
That’s not necessarily large, at all. It’s about the same size as all prosumer decks from the era. Also, SVHS wasn’t created at the end of the VHS life, it had better picture and sound quality and was around a lot longer than near the end of VHS life. Also, the “fast forward thingy” is called the jog shuttle dial.
Indeed, even analog HD vhs (W-VHS) came out in 1993, when normal VHS was extremely popular. Even digital HD D-VHS came out in 1997, when VHS was only about to start declining(though not for recording yet) due to DVD players.
You probably won’t notice any difference between composite and S-Video when playing back a pre-recorded VHS tape fur ti the limitations of the media, but if you record to a S-VHS tape, you can definitely see the improvement via S-Video cable.
It depends on the playback & capture devices it seems. When I tested a VHS recording captured through s-video I saw no apparent difference with one VCR, but saw a big difference on a full-size S-VHS camera. I think s-video from that camera also looked better than from the VCR, even though the VCR was newer.
This looks like a great unit. I don't think this model was available in Europe. I did have an SLV-E90 which looked similar but was standard VHS only. Back in the mid 90s I also had a Panasonic NV-HS1000 which for some time was considered 'king' of the consumer machines over here. Thank you for showing us this.
I used to own an SVO-2000, while it has s-video output, the picture quality isn’t the best. The best Sony VCR that I’ve found and currently own is an SVO-1500.
I have a Sony SLV-E90 VCR, and while there are almost no videos online about it, you can find plenty of photos of it. The controls part looks surprisingly similar to yours! Albeit much less advanced, of course.
I have this VCR that i bought off of someone on eBay that claims to have refurbished them. Last about 3 hours of play time and then it started eating my tapes. 😢 Wish i could get it fixed properly.
Pretty cool, the S-Video output to me seems like it would have been more useful for passing through another device that uses S-Video to begin with. Specially since I think back then a lot of people used their VCRs as AV receivers in a sense, since their TV would have 1, maybe 2 inputs. (And of course its easier to move a VCR around then it is a CRT just to plug something in.) If I recall VHS is composite video to begin with... So I would imagine the quality difference between Composite and S-Video for a VHS tape on this would moreso be based off the quality of the components handling the output. Your video quality is only as good as the weakest link, and all. -Though Maybe it would have helped if you were duplicating VHS tapes, so there is less potential loss between generations?
there used to been the sony grey decks for studio's i have one with bad power unit the betacam m2000p is the best deck i have used i had to go over to sony A500P decks cost for the money the model here you have is now war on the used market place i tryed to get one i got sit on big time on ebay
I'd love to test the S-VHS feature, but I have never found a S-VHS. Please let me know if you would be willing to lend me a S-VHS tape to run some tests. Thanks!
I haven't tried to diagnose that one. The smaller PVMs develop problems with components way more often than any other size PVM. All those features crammed into such a small space with the tube ends up leading to parts failing.
Retro Tech hi Steve just a quick question I just recieved my 8041q and there is one problem with it there is like a colour peeking out in the corner like it makes red look. Purple and it’s just really distracting if you know what the problem is feedback in much appreciated
Hi, sounds like magnetism may be affecting the color. Generally you can add a small magnet to the back of the tube. place it near the problem corner. Please note that sometimes it can take a few days for the purity to be corrected using a magnet like this. Give it a try and let me know if it clears it up at all.
Built-in “head cleaner” is just a small tire shaped foam pad on a spindle, that goes over the 4-heads as the video drum rotates. Being well over 25yrs old (with unknown hours) it will definitely need a “wet” manual clean of the entire tape path -see YT videos. Avoid most video cleaner tapes.
Good video, but I have to disagree with the idea that Super VHS was an end of life thing. Digital VHS was the VCR's last hurrah, and was the first consumer grade machine to offer HD video playback, two or three years before HD-DVD.
D-VHS was a niche, low sales product, but yeah S-VHS definitely wasn't end of life - simply as it was released in the 80s, much closer to when VHS became common than when it gradually fizzled out. D-VHS wasn't actually the first HD format, HD was available on later Laserdiscs, and analog HD on W-VHS.
You don’t see a difference in quality between composite and s video because you’re using a PVM to compare the two. Try the same thing on a larger consumer television or on an LCD after being fed through a decent quality upscaler and you’ll see a big difference
I have enjoyed my JVC SVHS ET professional. Found it at the Goodwill for 5 bucks. Beltless. Just needed some of the mechanisms inside cleaned and new grease reapplied.
The best VCR I've used is the Panasonic DMR-EZ48V. It's a combo unit that records to VHS and DVD and gives you the option to copy the recordings between the two. It has composite and S-video as inputs and outputs, but it outputs VHS over component and HDMI. You can even use all four outputs at once. It also has a DV input for miniDV cameras.
Those just convert the normal composite signal to Component & HDMI, the output quality won't match an S-VHS player. The signal on VHS tape is kind of inbetween composite and s-video, so S-VHS players can and do improve quality compared to a VHS VCR.
@@WhiteJarrah So have I, with Blackmagic capture cards, from Sony(composite,s-video,component) & LG(only HDMI, as there's no extra conversion then, it's already digital) VCRs, and they were nearly identical. I also tried a professional TBC with SDI(digital) output connected directly from the Sony VCR and another plain old vcr with no DVD recording/internal digitizing, both captures seemed a little better than using a capture card connected to the combo VCR. The VCR/DVD units have to digitize from composite video internally, as that's what standard VHS decks output. They're basically a normal VCR + a standalone DVD recorder in one case, I've got a standalone Panasonic EH58 DVD recorder that has analog & DV inputs + the same "HD up-conversion" "deep colour" labels as your combo unit. At least some vcr-dvds (& some standalone dvd recorders) with this internal digitizing can be excellent sources for capturing even with nice capture cards though, as they can stabilize the video signal, preventing the capture card from dropping frames etc. I think there may be a rare S-VHS/DVD recorder combo unit, but I've never seen one for sale here. It's quite likely your capture device doesn't convert the lower quality(composite etc) formats very well(capture cards/devices tend to show the most difference for composite captures), less processing is needed for better analog video formats(or potentially none from HDMI of course) - effectively the VCR has already done this work instead. I had likewise assumed that using Component out would just *lose less* quality from the extra digital-analog(inside the vcr-dvd) then analog-digital(capture) conversions, but it was very difficult to see any difference with my capture cards. If you're in an NTSC region that may make it easier again to capture with component etc, compared to capturing PAL used here. ie: There can be less *loss* by capturing with component & HDMI, but it's not improving the image beyond noise reduction & such(which capture cards & software can also do). If you fed s-video from an S-VHS VCR(playing a VHS tape) into the same VCR-DVD(or possibly even directly into the capture card), there's a good chance your captures would be better again. Albeit I also saw no significant quality difference playing VHS on one (newer, but lower end)S-VHS vcr over composite or s-video(again with high quality capture), but doing the same on a full-size SVHS camera I have showed a big difference. Anyway, after all my rambling, my point was that S-VHS vcrs can potentially(varying with equipment) recover more image quality from a VHS tape/output a better quality signal(over s-video) than composite video from a standard VHS vcr. A VHS vcr with composite video output is always going to be a hard limit for capture quality.
These decks and their reduced jack pack -1000 variants have a significant Achilles Heel in that one of the gears for one of the M wrap tape loading arms will crack and split in two...At some point, I want to try and make a mold of the plastic gear and cast a new one out of metal to get my deck going. The most cringe-worthy bit of this video is the demonstrated lack of understanding of what a comb filter is and how analog video works. To summarize its operation the color in all NTSC analog composite and broadcast video is encoded in a way that interferes with monochrome detail. The TV has to separate the color and monochrome info from composite and decode the color signal and matrix it with the monochrome signal to produce a color picture. Cheap TVs simply dump the monochrome detail. Expensive PVMs have high-end internal comb filters equal to what is in the VCR. You shouldn't notice a difference between S-video and composite on a PVM...Where you should notice it is on the cheapest CRT TV with an S-video input...On a cheap TV without a comb filter you should be able to notice the difference. Most VCRs don't have enough bandwidth in the tape system to directly record composite video so they split the color (which is the high frequency portion) off from the monochrome and record them as separate signals to overcome that. Most S-VHS decks and better VCRs have an internal comb filter where cheaper/older units just dump the monochrome detail like a cheap TV...You only get to see the VCRs comb filter at work if using the S-video output of the deck to drive an S-video input on a TV/monitor.
Interesting, SONY never introduced svhs to the UK, the model looks similar to the SLV 777 & SLV 757, both normal VHS. I had the 757 myself very poor reliability and the pictures weren't as good as my Panasonic VHS machines. The edit features were however excellent. But I don't miss it....no. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧
Maybe the miniscule difference difference between the s video and composite in this comparison is because the comb filter is working on the composite signal but not the s video. Does the comb filter function with s video? I have a bvm with a comb filter. the filter only works with composite but it sharpens the image dramatically.
I'm still wondering about the comb filter and features on this unit. I'm trying to find an OEM remote. It looks like there were even more features available with the remote. Also I found the owners manual, but I'm still looking for the service manual to see what I missed.
@@RetroTechUSA. When I use the comb filter on my bvm it does not mess up the solid colors like it does on your unit. Maybe you can change something in the settings or maybe it has something to do with VHS technology or maybe it's just a crapy comb filter.
@@riggel8804 I'm getting some information that the comb filter is only activated when you are recording certain in puts. So it's only on when the vcr is receiving a signal, not sending one, like my example here.
@@RetroTechUSA Bummer, I was interested to see how a comb filter would clean up a VHS signal. It does wonders for dvds through composite. DVDs with Composite and a comb filter on my BVM look better than component on a consumer grade TV. Good luck with your recordings...gonna watch some old school anime on my pvm now...
@@RetroTechUSA You pretty much have to make your own. A friend of mine found Star Trek II on S-VHS, but the Studios didn't get behind this format. My JVC has SVHS-ET, that allows near-SVHS quality using standard VHS tape. I plan to compare true SVHS to SVHS-ET via DVD dub for a future video, but I need to acquire a blank S-VHS tape first. Also I will need to run the signal through a stabilizer to defeat DVD copy protection. Great channel, by the way. RUclips buries smaller channels like yours and mine in search. I never would have found you without reddit. I'm now a subscriber. If you have any suggestions on other small tech channels to check out, I'm very interested!
It doesn't, it's just Super VHS. Both S-VHS and standard VHS store Y & C quasi-separately in the "colour under" format (recorded in the same signal, but at different frequencies I think) S-VHS improves quality by using more bandwidth for the signal. You might be thinking of s-video, which is sometimes known as Separated Video, which has carries Y & C on separate wires.
Were you playing normal vhs on a s-vhs player? I think you would need to be using a real S-vhs tape to show the difference between s-video and composite. JVC said S-VHS is 60% sharper than VHS.
Compare composite and svideo playing s-vhs recorded tape. Regular vhs tapes are composite thats why you wont see difference between but get a real s-vhs tape do a recording of dvd footage in svhs mode you will see a big improvement.
Retro Tech I use svhs to archive my home videos from my HDV camcorder and with good source connected with good quality s-video cable and good tape (i use professional mastering tapes ) you results will be an excellent SD copy. I run my svhs vcr through Pioneer Elite receiver that i set up to upconvert to 720p video which i found out is best resolution for S-VHS videos. After all of this is looks just like a good DVD footage. Dont upconvert to 1080i or p because it looses actual quality i found out that 720p is a magic resolution for svhs.
You can't squeeze quality avobe composite from a VHS tape, as the signal in it is a composite subproduct, by which I mean luma with an embedded chroma signal modulated at a lower carrier frequency than in regular composite. Surely, no analog conversion is ever lossless, so, all else being equal, saving the part where you have to remux chroma back into luma at the higher carrier frequency, you can get some marginal advantage from skipping the step of muxing lower definition chroma back into a normal one, but it shouldn't be much unless your VCR and TV suck.
It does have a use. Try it and you will *see* a difference when capturing, and almost certainly likewise on modern displays. It's not like digital where the data is sent directly to the output, VHS stores the video in a *modified* composite signal (using a different method to store colour information), which definitely benefits from being output from an S-VHS deck as S-Video.
Personally, i wouldn't rate Sony as a vcr maker in the sense of VHS, it was a late showing on their point. Not to say that they might not have made good machines, but they would more than likely be Pro ones. Their Digital and DV machines were great as are the late generation of Super Beta, just prior to the switch to VHS, i think though that was mainly a Japanese thing, JVC are the SVHS Kings, although i prefer panasonic, which did a great SVHS machine,
Among better colour there is a big difference in resolution. VHS 240 lines vs SVHS that have about 420 lines of resolution. The tapes are identical (exept for a small hole on the back så the vcr knows it is a svhs tape) the SVHS tapes are made of better tape thouge. A normal cheap vhs tape will look crap when recorded to.
@@pruppjesus yes im seeing these and wonder why i never noticed they existed. i read all about it the day i posted this and most of these are 6 head super vhs players sound great aside from some issues of bandwidth apparently. im anxious to try to get a good model and try it out but do they sell blank svhs tapes still?
@@pruppjesus A bit late to this thread but you quote luma (b&w) resolution of VHS and SVHS but ignore chroma (colour) resolution which is the same in both VHS and SVHS at 30 lines i.e. very poor.
The reason you see no difference between S-Video and Composite on a normal VHS tape is because the video on the tape is encoded as Composite video. VHS tape is not like vinyl, in that the video quality has almost infinite room to improve with better playback equipment. The best it can do is Composite video. I will say that this VCR and these monitors handle Composite video extremely well, but they cannot get better than Composite.
That's not true, VHS doesn't use exactly composite video, it uses a modified format that's seemingly somewhat in between composite and s-video. "Most home analog video equipment record a signal in ( *roughly* ) composite format: LaserDiscs store a true composite signal, while consumer videotape formats (including VHS and Betamax) and commercial and industrial tape formats (including U-matic) use *modified composite* signals (generally known as color-under)" Video8 and even Hi8 also use colour-under, s-video output from Hi8 cameras is seemingly available on all models. More importantly, you can definitely see the difference between playing a regular VHS on a VHS deck vs an S-VHS deck, even playing from a moderately priced 1990 full-size S-VHS camera it's clearly better than from a VHS deck. This camera is probably worse than many if not all standalone S-VHS decks for playback. I've done side-by-side comparison with high quality video captures, there's an unambiguous quality improvement, there is far less chroma noise for example. It's possible it has somewhat more effect when capturing, but there still has to be a difference to start with. He was likely seeing no difference simply because the output was CRT TVs, which naturally smooth out the image, hiding a lot of noise etc. Likewise DVDs tended to look perfect on CRTs, but the compression artifacts etc show up often on modern displays.
D-VHS was 1080i HD VHS Tape Player. The best VCR , but it was missing recording features. It blows Blu ray away. They were way ahead of their time. Screw Digital! Netflix to VHS Ha ; )
It doesn't blow Blu-ray away, they were very similar, and now of course Blu-ray is easily better, supporting 4k etc. D-VHS decks routinely did have recording features.
This is a very old consumer-grade machine. I doubt it's the best. It was probably released in 1990 or around that time. And at that point in time, it was probably the best consumer S-VHS VCR. There was some progress after that. The Philips 969 should be better. I should have more features and more advanced picture enhancement including the Dynamic Drum system, more modern NR, etc., albeit it would have some simplifications too. Professional S-VHS did reach its pick early however (around 1990). Professional equipment of course was much better and much more expensive. An example of professional VCR that had some convenient features for home use is the JVC BR-800. It's not too big or too heavy duty. It had RF jacks for home use unlike more expensive professional S-VHS machines. The difference between S-VHS and VHS (line resolution) is misunderstood and had always been exaggerated by manufacturers. There's not that much difference there. It's just marketing. I did own some S-VHS VCRs and they were a letdown. Basically the same VHS in quality if you use quality VHS master tapes and a quality VHS VCR. If you use regular VHS tapes and a regular VHS VCR, then, yeah, S-VHS tapes look cleaner and better. So you may say VHS sucks but it's only on regular VHS tapes and regular VHS VCRs. I mean S-VHS was almost a scam. You could have just bought a quality VHS VCR and it was all the same. Almost the same. There were some pros to S-VHS machines that I loved: flying erase head, dynamic drum, and various editing features. They were really nice in terms of features.
@Bill Morrigan….maybe you should watch some SVHS vs VHS YT videos. Maybe to the causal eye there’s not much difference, but it’s definitely there in the level of detail when compared side by side. And there should be comparing SVHS 400 to VHS 240 lines.
@@DKN808 You quote luma (b&w) resolution but ignore chroma (colour) resolution which is the same in VHS and SVHS at 30 lines i.e. very poor. DVD is 205 lines chroma resolution. All domestic analog VCR formats suffer from poor colour resolution.
It doesn't need to be an S-VHS tape. People keep repeating this, but almost certainly haven't tried it. Video capture is clearly better using an S-VHS deck for regular VHS tapes, I'd expect the same differences to be readily visible on modern displays. The nature of CRTs inherently hides flaws/smooths the image, somewhat similarly(though it's more than just hiding flaws) old video games can look very different on CRTs & modern displays.
This is not the best VCR ever by far. Sony are know to making parts cheap for their VHS decks, with Betamax they was the best in there class. The best professional decks you can get are JVC decks and also Panasonic are top decks too. Sorry Sony don’t come near. They are ok machines but that’s it. I use to repair VHS decks back in the day and Sony decks was very cheap plastic parts inside. So no this is not the best vcr ever.
Michael Mitchell Are you talking about build quality or playback/recording quality? I don’t believe he’s saying it’s the best VCR ever because each individual component is unbreakable. I believe that he is saying, that overall, the SVO 2000 is one of the best because it has amazing features, playback, and recording capabilities. I’ve had a SVO 2000 for a while now, without any issues yet, so I genuinely would like to know what issues with this VCR I need to look out for in the future. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
bocefusboy I’m talking about both. JVC are king of SVHS decks they made top studio models. Sony made top Betamax studio models. But in general JVC and Panasonic made the best models. Sony was never in it like them too. They was into beta and Hi8. One of the best videos to get is a super Betamax by Sony with over 500 lines of res. Most of Sony’s VHS was made of plastic parts which wear over time and also never had things like digital buffer and TBC but JVC top models did. I use to repair videos years ago and Sony’s was not very good build quality. Also when I tested video output on oscilloscope I always found Sony to be above good but not excellent. Don’t get me wrong JVC and all good companies made crap models, but found JVC and Panasonic made the best top models. The best models are from the 90s because most went plastic parts near the end of its life. If you want a top VHS get a DVHS from JVC with a great SVHS deck on it and also HD video on it with over 20 hours play back. Very hard to get hold of but makes a great deck for editing. Sony is a great company made great high end hifi and TVs,etc I just think they was not into VHS like other companies because they always supported Betamax and then top beta models for tv and studio.
Considera che il betamax e' un sistema nativo sony,ma questo non significa che la sony non ha fatto dei buoni videoregistratori VHS,e tieni conto che ci sono videoregistratori molto peggio dei sony,poi comunque e vero che i sony hanno componenti di meccanica che tendono a rompersi...
Looks like a nice set :)
Thank you!
Incidentally, the term VHS stands for Vertical Helical Scan. This refers to the method that the video head engages the tape. Its path is a vertical helix as developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation).
The retailers always attributed VHS to mean Video Home System because this was far more palatable to consumers than Vertical Helical Scan.
The rewind wheel is called a shuttle. Does that wheel turn into a jog. A jog lets you turn the wheel and go frame by frame for precise editing. I had a jvc hr-s6700u which was nice. This looks a little nicer. But I used mine for editing wedding videos in the mid 90's.
I found one of these at Goodwill for $50 in 2018. It is by far the best consumer VCR I have ever used.
Man what a score. I’ve been scoping the goodwills around here and it’s just crap.
It looks good and is a pretty good machine for the average person that wants S-VHS and nothing more. From what I saw on the front, it doesn't seem to have any sort of Time Base Corrector or Digital Noise Reduction. For me and a good chunk of the video tape community the best VCRs are from the JVC HR-S range (consumer/prosumer) and their professional S-VHS range as well as some Panasonic models like the NV-HS950 or HS1000. Personally I use a JVC HM-DR10000EU VCR at home because I love how it looks and it has all the features I need as well as amazing picture quality - and I picked it up for cheap! It doesn't have any SM capacitors unlike this model and the Panasonics I mentioned earlier that cause issues. It also has the option to record in D-VHS (not D-Theater though so no HD and it doesn't have any digital outputs) and while I prefer to record S-VHS for the nostalgia recording in digital on VHS is always fun. Otherwise, the recorded S-VHS video is pretty much identical to the S-Video input save for some color leakage in high contrast areas but that's a quirk of VHS that can't be eliminated.
I agree! The Sony SVO-2000 is very, very far from being the best S-VHS deck. I also have a JVC HM-DR10000EU (D-VHS), a JVC HR-S9700 (S-VHS) and the Panasonic AG-8700 (S-VHS). The Panasonic is a contender for the best-ever S-VHS on par with the JVC BR-S822. I used both to convert my tapes and bought them when they came out, just over 20 years ago. It has the best TBC/NR of all and is a reel-to-reel audio recorder at 15IPS.
Honestly, I feel like an idiot after watching this. I have a handful of broadcasting monitors, but it never occurred to me, "Hey, maybe they also made broadcasting tape players too." I mean look at that thing. It is built like a tank, and has every output under the sun. I may contact the broadcasting station I got my stuff from, and ask them if they have any old tape players left.
I think S-VHS was rarely used at broadcast level, rather for lower budget/prosumer recording & editing.
I think Betacam and similar would've typically been used in the analog era.
S-VHS was the bomb. I still have my two Mitsubishi HS-M1000 S-VHS machines. I didn’t see any features here which mine don’t have. They even have a “Remote A” and “Remote B” switch so the identical machines can be paired to just one remote (selecting B changes all the RF codes so the two units don’t react to the other unit’s remote). My Mitsubishis have the ‘jog/shuttle’ wheel on the remotes, not the units.
S-VHS came out in 1987, which was not nearly near the end of the format. I was there back in 1987 when it came out, so yes, I'm that old 😁
What came out near the end of the format around the year 2000 was D VHS, the digital version of the format. But I only discovered that recently, because around that time we were all watching DVDs. I read somewhere that the D-VHS was recording/playing at 50 Mbps 😲
wow never heard of it. I guess it was short lived.
Also W-VHS in between, an analog HD format on VHS, I think that may have only been in Japan though, where they had analog HD broadcast tv from the late 80s/early 90s.
About 14 years ago I ended up with "For Commercial Use Only" Panasonic AG-1970 and AG-1980 S-VHS VCRs from a thrift store. They also had magnetic control panels with a lot going on. There were also racks of AV equipment I didn't recognize in the thrift store so you could tell it all came from some studio or production setup that got donated all at once. I was on vacation across the country and couldn't fit much more than those two VCRs in my luggage, so I someone else got all the more exotic stuff. Anyway, these decks are incredible and also have an advanced 3D comb filter like your Sony. The comb filter isn't so much for reducing noise/interference as it is for removing composite artifacts when breaking it back down to Y/C or RGB (dot crawl and such). Faroudija makes the digital scaling hardware in a lot of high-end TVs and AV receivers so I have to assume the Sony has digital processing in some way.
Great machine! But I'd advise you to get rid of that automatic head cleaner. It does more damage than good, especially after so much time. Check it out for yourself - it spoils the drum and heads with gluey residue.
Thanks. I will check that out. I don't want that to happen.
Was the Star Wars tape a SVHS? That would explain why there was no difference on the output between VHS and SVHS.
Yep the tape needs to be svhs
That is why there is no difference..
I was going to ask the same thing.
WOOOOOOOOO. Now are those pictures of Ric Flair part of this episode because we had that conversation yesterday regarding him Steve? 8^)
Because you know I'm loving it. Much as I like thet Sony VCR, but Ric Flair? That's a tough decision not to like even more Steve. All hail the greatest of all time bro! 8^)
Anthony...
Yes. I made sure it was in the shot. He's the man!!!
Nice long video Steve. It would have been cool if you could compare the picture difference between consumer and commercial VCRs.. cool vid either way!
Thanks Ryan. I do have another consumer VCR. It is a little newer and has a DVD built in with it. I can do a shorter video on it and then I could set up both for a side-by-side demo at the end. I need to find 2 copies of the same VHS tape or I can record a copy, lol. Thanks again, I think VCRs are interesting and I don't mind doing a couple more videos on them in the future.
Super vhs was released 87’, definitely not the end of the life of vhs!
6:30 anyone else noticed that sony made a typo and wrote "contorol"?
Yes! Why is that!?
Spanish Stickers
@@nick199009 in spain we call it "control" too.
12:56 that is showing better color contrast and brightness. S-video seperates the luma and chroma signals, so that makes sense. I saw another video where someone did something similar and you really need an actual S-VHS tape to get a difference. A regular VHS tape will only be marginally better. Good demo.
12:20 It's not just the VCR, it's the source recording and small monitor size. Output the signal to a much larger 700p or 1080p native flat screen, and I bet you're going to see a difference.
That has been my experience, at least when using my N64 with modern TVs, as you kinda mentioned.
That said, I have other questions:
• Is this VCR able to transmit 420i (or whatever the resolution of SVHS is) via the composite video. If so, then the difference would be even less.
• Are those monitors capable of displaying the higher resolution? I don't know. I could be a moron. :-)
Indeed, capturing from an S-VHS vcr is clearly better, there's vastly less chroma noise for example.
The nature of CRT displays is likely going to hide much of this noise etc. Of course VHS was designed for use with CRT TVs, so it makes sense that the flaws of VHS are somewhat countered by using CRT TVs.
They even made hdmi vcr decks for d theater or dvhs tapes in up to 50gb size. Not sony perse but JVC did.
Yep, there were full HD & basically bluray quality. There wer also analog HD W-VHS decks, mostly for Japan where they had some broadcast analog HD from the late 80s/early 90s.
Japan got some beautiful looking higher end VCRs, I had a look through online Japanese auctions a few days ago.
Dang! That beige color monitor looks fantastic. The colors really pop. What model of TV is that?
Thanks Robert. That is a Olympus OEV 1353MD. It's the same as a PVM 1353md, only it has a different name. I painted both the shells on these monitors in a couple past restorations. Here is a link to one of those vids. ruclips.net/video/hHYxDS1CS0M/видео.html
I have mixed thoughts on the SVO-2000 (and its consumer twin, the SLV-R1000).
When they work, they work well. Very good picture and sound.
But, the mechanisms in these are not the most reliable ever made, mainly because of weak plastic parts, such as the spring-loaded gearing for the tape guidepost shuttles.
There can also be some electrical gremlins, mainly from leaky electrolytic capacitors due to age and wear. But at least they aren't as trouble-prone, capacitor wise, as the Panasonic AG-1980. The AG-1980, IMO, is superior in terms of A/V performance. But this model uses surface mount electrolytic capacitors that leak and cause major headaches that can be very tough to repair compared to the Sony SVO-2000.
Surface mount caps are a big problem. I have seen them ruin many things. Thanks for your comment.
@Watcher3223 …if not for the AG-1980s TBC nobody would give it a second look. Weight like a feather, made in Malaysia, and one of the most trouble prone SVHS decks ever made. Sony weighs over 15lbs, made in Japan w/Faroudja technology built-in.
@@DKN808 The AG-1980s I've used, and AG-1970s for that matter, were made in Japan and, while not the heaviest machines I've used, aren't exactly lightweight in their own right.
When they work, they work quite well. And the 1970 used the G mechanism whereas the 1980 used the K mechanism, and both were generally pretty good with tape handling.
Unfortunately, and again, some of the video circuits used those blasted SMD-type caps that leak their guts out and cause damage to the circuits that used them and are a royal pain to fix, assuming that repair is even possible. They also have relatively weak power supplies, typical of Panasonic VCRs.
As for Faroudja technology, that would be for the HQ video processing. Higher end Sony VHS equipment tended to use full HQ whereas many lower end machines with HQ from many different brands ... including Sony ... used partial HQ processing to save on costs.
Sony also used Faroudja video processing in their SL-HF870D SuperBeta hi-fi as well as their ED-Beta machines. And Sony also weren't the only ones to be licensed to use Faroudja technology for some of their VCRs. Mitsubishi have also used them on some of their models, such as the HS-U80 Super VHS VCR.
And there are some JVC decks that have decent TBC courtesy of their DigiPure video processing circuits on some of their higher end Super VHS and Super VHS ET machines.
However, I would dodge JVC machines with the Dynamic Drum mechanism; they're great when they work, but the VCR won't work too well when the drum tiling mechanism fails when one or more of the plastic gears that make it work splits and jams it all up.
id like to have one of these for audio purposes as it has manual level adjustment and it totally looks kick ass,my current sony vcr sounds great,i dont use it for video purposes but the picture is good too
Damn that is an amazing VCR!
It's pretty great!
10:09 I actually own that set of starwars VHS. But that's a really nice tape player. I know VHS isn't as good as DVD and blue ray but this is just super nice bro. Great video dude.👍
That’s not necessarily large, at all. It’s about the same size as all prosumer decks from the era. Also, SVHS wasn’t created at the end of the VHS life, it had better picture and sound quality and was around a lot longer than near the end of VHS life. Also, the “fast forward thingy” is called the jog shuttle dial.
Indeed, even analog HD vhs (W-VHS) came out in 1993, when normal VHS was extremely popular. Even digital HD D-VHS came out in 1997, when VHS was only about to start declining(though not for recording yet) due to DVD players.
The main difference is for recording programs to SVHS or viewing an actual SVHS tape.
You probably won’t notice any difference between composite and S-Video when playing back a pre-recorded VHS tape fur ti the limitations of the media, but if you record to a S-VHS tape, you can definitely see the improvement via S-Video cable.
It depends on the playback & capture devices it seems. When I tested a VHS recording captured through s-video I saw no apparent difference with one VCR, but saw a big difference on a full-size S-VHS camera. I think s-video from that camera also looked better than from the VCR, even though the VCR was newer.
This looks like a great unit. I don't think this model was available in Europe. I did have an SLV-E90 which looked similar but was standard VHS only. Back in the mid 90s I also had a Panasonic NV-HS1000 which for some time was considered 'king' of the consumer machines over here. Thank you for showing us this.
This video clearly shows what NTSC stands for... Never The Same Color. 😊
I used to own an SVO-2000, while it has s-video output, the picture quality isn’t the best. The best Sony VCR that I’ve found and currently own is an SVO-1500.
Cool I've not tried that one.
Even if it doesn’t have s-video?
I have a Sony SLV-E90 VCR, and while there are almost no videos online about it, you can find plenty of photos of it. The controls part looks surprisingly similar to yours! Albeit much less advanced, of course.
love it love it
Great video detailing a cool vcr! Thank you
Panasonic NV-V8000 is the best consumer editing S-VCR ever.
I have this VCR that i bought off of someone on eBay that claims to have refurbished them. Last about 3 hours of play time and then it started eating my tapes. 😢 Wish i could get it fixed properly.
Really enjoying your channel .
Awesome !!! 😃😃😃
Pretty cool, the S-Video output to me seems like it would have been more useful for passing through another device that uses S-Video to begin with. Specially since I think back then a lot of people used their VCRs as AV receivers in a sense, since their TV would have 1, maybe 2 inputs. (And of course its easier to move a VCR around then it is a CRT just to plug something in.)
If I recall VHS is composite video to begin with... So I would imagine the quality difference between Composite and S-Video for a VHS tape on this would moreso be based off the quality of the components handling the output. Your video quality is only as good as the weakest link, and all.
-Though Maybe it would have helped if you were duplicating VHS tapes, so there is less potential loss between generations?
Hahaha. Thanks Steve. It made my day for sure. 8^)
Do you have this VCR for sale?
Did the Sony slv-r1000 have some form of TBC?
there used to been the sony grey decks for studio's i have one with bad power unit
the betacam m2000p is the best deck i have used i had to go over to sony A500P decks cost for the money
the model here you have is now war on the used market place i tryed to get one i got sit on big time on ebay
I'd love to test the S-VHS feature, but I have never found a S-VHS. Please let me know if you would be willing to lend me a S-VHS tape to run some tests. Thanks!
any plans to look at the color loss issue on the 8" PVM? It seems to be a really common issue for the composite and s-video inputs of 8" PVMs.
I haven't tried to diagnose that one. The smaller PVMs develop problems with components way more often than any other size PVM. All those features crammed into such a small space with the tube ends up leading to parts failing.
Retro Tech hi Steve just a quick question I just recieved my 8041q and there is one problem with it there is like a colour peeking out in the corner like it makes red look. Purple and it’s just really distracting if you know what the problem is feedback in much appreciated
Hi, sounds like magnetism may be affecting the color. Generally you can add a small magnet to the back of the tube. place it near the problem corner. Please note that sometimes it can take a few days for the purity to be corrected using a magnet like this. Give it a try and let me know if it clears it up at all.
Please make a video showing the world's longest VHS tape.
Time Lapse VCRs with well over 30 hours per tape are a thing. I used to use them every day for archival. :)
Built-in “head cleaner” is just a small tire shaped foam pad on a spindle, that goes over the 4-heads as the video drum rotates. Being well over 25yrs old (with unknown hours) it will definitely need a “wet” manual clean of the entire tape path -see YT videos. Avoid most video cleaner tapes.
Nice VCR I have a Samsung worldwide with scart
how many heads? 4 or 6?
Thanks Steve!
Thanks for watching Joe!
Grundig gv280s is very good on svhs tapes, but especially on vhs tapes.
Good video, but I have to disagree with the idea that Super VHS was an end of life thing. Digital VHS was the VCR's last hurrah, and was the first consumer grade machine to offer HD video playback, two or three years before HD-DVD.
D-VHS was a niche, low sales product, but yeah S-VHS definitely wasn't end of life - simply as it was released in the 80s, much closer to when VHS became common than when it gradually fizzled out.
D-VHS wasn't actually the first HD format, HD was available on later Laserdiscs, and analog HD on W-VHS.
You don’t see a difference in quality between composite and s video because you’re using a PVM to compare the two. Try the same thing on a larger consumer television or on an LCD after being fed through a decent quality upscaler and you’ll see a big difference
Or when capturing/digitizing video.
What are the box-like TVs sitting adjacent on the table?
Im looking for a VCR with TBC. Some recomendation?
I have enjoyed my JVC SVHS ET professional. Found it at the Goodwill for 5 bucks. Beltless. Just needed some of the mechanisms inside cleaned and new grease reapplied.
Do these come with Sony "Remote-Commander" remote controls?
The best VCR I've used is the Panasonic DMR-EZ48V. It's a combo unit that records to VHS and DVD and gives you the option to copy the recordings between the two. It has composite and S-video as inputs and outputs, but it outputs VHS over component and HDMI. You can even use all four outputs at once. It also has a DV input for miniDV cameras.
Those just convert the normal composite signal to Component & HDMI, the output quality won't match an S-VHS player.
The signal on VHS tape is kind of inbetween composite and s-video, so S-VHS players can and do improve quality compared to a VHS VCR.
@@DoubleMonoLR I beg to differ. I've done several captures using direct composite, s-video, component and HDMI, the quality is night and day.
@@WhiteJarrah So have I, with Blackmagic capture cards, from Sony(composite,s-video,component) & LG(only HDMI, as there's no extra conversion then, it's already digital) VCRs, and they were nearly identical.
I also tried a professional TBC with SDI(digital) output connected directly from the Sony VCR and another plain old vcr with no DVD recording/internal digitizing, both captures seemed a little better than using a capture card connected to the combo VCR.
The VCR/DVD units have to digitize from composite video internally, as that's what standard VHS decks output. They're basically a normal VCR + a standalone DVD recorder in one case, I've got a standalone Panasonic EH58 DVD recorder that has analog & DV inputs + the same "HD up-conversion" "deep colour" labels as your combo unit.
At least some vcr-dvds (& some standalone dvd recorders) with this internal digitizing can be excellent sources for capturing even with nice capture cards though, as they can stabilize the video signal, preventing the capture card from dropping frames etc.
I think there may be a rare S-VHS/DVD recorder combo unit, but I've never seen one for sale here.
It's quite likely your capture device doesn't convert the lower quality(composite etc) formats very well(capture cards/devices tend to show the most difference for composite captures), less processing is needed for better analog video formats(or potentially none from HDMI of course) - effectively the VCR has already done this work instead. I had likewise assumed that using Component out would just *lose less* quality from the extra digital-analog(inside the vcr-dvd) then analog-digital(capture) conversions, but it was very difficult to see any difference with my capture cards.
If you're in an NTSC region that may make it easier again to capture with component etc, compared to capturing PAL used here.
ie: There can be less *loss* by capturing with component & HDMI, but it's not improving the image beyond noise reduction & such(which capture cards & software can also do). If you fed s-video from an S-VHS VCR(playing a VHS tape) into the same VCR-DVD(or possibly even directly into the capture card), there's a good chance your captures would be better again.
Albeit I also saw no significant quality difference playing VHS on one (newer, but lower end)S-VHS vcr over composite or s-video(again with high quality capture), but doing the same on a full-size SVHS camera I have showed a big difference.
Anyway, after all my rambling, my point was that S-VHS vcrs can potentially(varying with equipment) recover more image quality from a VHS tape/output a better quality signal(over s-video) than composite video from a standard VHS vcr. A VHS vcr with composite video output is always going to be a hard limit for capture quality.
These decks and their reduced jack pack -1000 variants have a significant Achilles Heel in that one of the gears for one of the M wrap tape loading arms will crack and split in two...At some point, I want to try and make a mold of the plastic gear and cast a new one out of metal to get my deck going.
The most cringe-worthy bit of this video is the demonstrated lack of understanding of what a comb filter is and how analog video works. To summarize its operation the color in all NTSC analog composite and broadcast video is encoded in a way that interferes with monochrome detail. The TV has to separate the color and monochrome info from composite and decode the color signal and matrix it with the monochrome signal to produce a color picture. Cheap TVs simply dump the monochrome detail. Expensive PVMs have high-end internal comb filters equal to what is in the VCR. You shouldn't notice a difference between S-video and composite on a PVM...Where you should notice it is on the cheapest CRT TV with an S-video input...On a cheap TV without a comb filter you should be able to notice the difference.
Most VCRs don't have enough bandwidth in the tape system to directly record composite video so they split the color (which is the high frequency portion) off from the monochrome and record them as separate signals to overcome that. Most S-VHS decks and better VCRs have an internal comb filter where cheaper/older units just dump the monochrome detail like a cheap TV...You only get to see the VCRs comb filter at work if using the S-video output of the deck to drive an S-video input on a TV/monitor.
lol I didn't vote for this only cause now I need to buy one
How does it compare to Panasonic AG-4700 ?
What is CONTOROL?
Interesting, SONY never introduced svhs to the UK, the model looks similar to the SLV 777 & SLV 757, both normal VHS. I had the 757 myself very poor reliability and the pictures weren't as good as my Panasonic VHS machines. The edit features were however excellent. But I don't miss it....no. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧
A grand unit
Maybe the miniscule difference difference between the s video and composite in this comparison is because the comb filter is working on the composite signal but not the s video. Does the comb filter function with s video? I have a bvm with a comb filter. the filter only works with composite but it sharpens the image dramatically.
I'm still wondering about the comb filter and features on this unit. I'm trying to find an OEM remote. It looks like there were even more features available with the remote. Also I found the owners manual, but I'm still looking for the service manual to see what I missed.
@@RetroTechUSA. When I use the comb filter on my bvm it does not mess up the solid colors like it does on your unit. Maybe you can change something in the settings or maybe it has something to do with VHS technology or maybe it's just a crapy comb filter.
@@riggel8804 I'm getting some information that the comb filter is only activated when you are recording certain in puts. So it's only on when the vcr is receiving a signal, not sending one, like my example here.
@@RetroTechUSA Bummer, I was interested to see how a comb filter would clean up a VHS signal. It does wonders for dvds through composite. DVDs with Composite and a comb filter on my BVM look better than component on a consumer grade TV. Good luck with your recordings...gonna watch some old school anime on my pvm now...
Ide still hook it up to an assiliscope to really fine.tune.the.picture.quality.
This has some nice features compared to my consumer model SVHS, a JVC HR-55900U... I've having a bit of SVHS envy!
That's a cool unit. I wish I could find a true SVHS to compare on the player.
@@RetroTechUSA You pretty much have to make your own. A friend of mine found Star Trek II on S-VHS, but the Studios didn't get behind this format. My JVC has SVHS-ET, that allows near-SVHS quality using standard VHS tape. I plan to compare true SVHS to SVHS-ET via DVD dub for a future video, but I need to acquire a blank S-VHS tape first. Also I will need to run the signal through a stabilizer to defeat DVD copy protection.
Great channel, by the way. RUclips buries smaller channels like yours and mine in search. I never would have found you without reddit. I'm now a subscriber. If you have any suggestions on other small tech channels to check out, I'm very interested!
Thanks. I will check your channel out and sub back.
I subbed back. I like your channel too. Yes RUclips won't help channel growth probably until we are larger. Just got to keep on grinding buddy.
ThriftyAV Did you ever do the SVHS vid? If so please send a link :)
Technically, S-VHS stands for "Separated VHS" because the signal is split into chrominance and luminance.
It doesn't, it's just Super VHS. Both S-VHS and standard VHS store Y & C quasi-separately in the "colour under" format (recorded in the same signal, but at different frequencies I think) S-VHS improves quality by using more bandwidth for the signal.
You might be thinking of s-video, which is sometimes known as Separated Video, which has carries Y & C on separate wires.
Were you playing normal vhs on a s-vhs player? I think you would need to be using a real S-vhs tape to show the difference between s-video and composite. JVC said S-VHS is 60% sharper than VHS.
The VCRs with those doors on them were early 80s models. My Grandparents had one almost exactly like that.
This is clearly not the best VCR, the best VCR's are from JVC and number one are the Panasonic, the best of the best are the ones with TBC built-in
What hospital did you get it from
Compare composite and svideo playing s-vhs recorded tape. Regular vhs tapes are composite thats why you wont see difference between but get a real s-vhs tape do a recording of dvd footage in svhs mode you will see a big improvement.
Thanks, I need to get some blank svhs tapes and record some stuff to test out.
Retro Tech I use svhs to archive my home videos from my HDV camcorder and with good source connected with good quality s-video cable and good tape (i use professional mastering tapes ) you results will be an excellent SD copy. I run my svhs vcr through Pioneer Elite receiver that i set up to upconvert to 720p video which i found out is best resolution for S-VHS videos. After all of this is looks just like a good DVD footage. Dont upconvert to 1080i or p because it looses actual quality i found out that 720p is a magic resolution for svhs.
You should definitely try to use your PVMs and BVMs as they were actually meant to be used: Connecting them to Betacam-VTRs.
VHS will come back someday, way better than digital TV.
i hope not, all my old home video tapes have mold on them, i don't wish it upon anyone having to go through the process of cleaning them
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You can't squeeze quality avobe composite from a VHS tape, as the signal in it is a composite subproduct, by which I mean luma with an embedded chroma signal modulated at a lower carrier frequency than in regular composite.
Surely, no analog conversion is ever lossless, so, all else being equal, saving the part where you have to remux chroma back into luma at the higher carrier frequency, you can get some marginal advantage from skipping the step of muxing lower definition chroma back into a normal one, but it shouldn't be much unless your VCR and TV suck.
Mine was $4.99 in 2017...
Phanasonic
pv-4151 panasonic vcr
Are you kidding? It even does not have TBC.
Se non ha il TBC non è buono?,non e' vero
@@giuseppelavecchia775 Their point was that they were claiming it was the "best" VCR, when it's clearly not.
@@DoubleMonoLR non mi riferisco alla qualita del videoregistratore,ma al fatto se un vcr puo essere buono anche senza TBC
Regular vhs has no chroma/Luma separation meaning the y/c connector will have no use
It does have a use. Try it and you will *see* a difference when capturing, and almost certainly likewise on modern displays.
It's not like digital where the data is sent directly to the output, VHS stores the video in a *modified* composite signal (using a different method to store colour information), which definitely benefits from being output from an S-VHS deck as S-Video.
yeah you are correct found out after getting s-vhs vcr@@DoubleMonoLR
Personally, i wouldn't rate Sony as a vcr maker in the sense of VHS, it was a late showing on their point. Not to say that they might not have made good machines, but they would more than likely be Pro ones. Their Digital and DV machines were great as are the late generation of Super Beta, just prior to the switch to VHS, i think though that was mainly a Japanese thing, JVC are the SVHS Kings, although i prefer panasonic, which did a great SVHS machine,
Pffft I spit on 16 pound vcr dont say its big and heavy I have A TANK OF A VCR 60 POUND MACHINE
I have a SVO-5800 I wanna sell :/
what exactly is "super vhs"? how does this compare to a 4 head vcr?
Among better colour there is a big difference in resolution. VHS 240 lines vs SVHS that have about 420 lines of resolution. The tapes are identical (exept for a small hole on the back så the vcr knows it is a svhs tape) the SVHS tapes are made of better tape thouge. A normal cheap vhs tape will look crap when recorded to.
@@pruppjesus yes im seeing these and wonder why i never noticed they existed. i read all about it the day i posted this and most of these are 6 head super vhs players sound great aside from some issues of bandwidth apparently. im anxious to try to get a good model and try it out but do they sell blank svhs tapes still?
@@pruppjesus A bit late to this thread but you quote luma (b&w) resolution of VHS and SVHS but ignore chroma (colour) resolution which is the same in both VHS and SVHS at 30 lines i.e. very poor.
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The reason you see no difference between S-Video and Composite on a normal VHS tape is because the video on the tape is encoded as Composite video. VHS tape is not like vinyl, in that the video quality has almost infinite room to improve with better playback equipment. The best it can do is Composite video. I will say that this VCR and these monitors handle Composite video extremely well, but they cannot get better than Composite.
That's not true, VHS doesn't use exactly composite video, it uses a modified format that's seemingly somewhat in between composite and s-video.
"Most home analog video equipment record a signal in ( *roughly* ) composite format: LaserDiscs store a true composite signal, while consumer videotape formats (including VHS and Betamax) and commercial and industrial tape formats (including U-matic) use *modified composite* signals (generally known as color-under)" Video8 and even Hi8 also use colour-under, s-video output from Hi8 cameras is seemingly available on all models.
More importantly, you can definitely see the difference between playing a regular VHS on a VHS deck vs an S-VHS deck, even playing from a moderately priced 1990 full-size S-VHS camera it's clearly better than from a VHS deck. This camera is probably worse than many if not all standalone S-VHS decks for playback.
I've done side-by-side comparison with high quality video captures, there's an unambiguous quality improvement, there is far less chroma noise for example. It's possible it has somewhat more effect when capturing, but there still has to be a difference to start with.
He was likely seeing no difference simply because the output was CRT TVs, which naturally smooth out the image, hiding a lot of noise etc. Likewise DVDs tended to look perfect on CRTs, but the compression artifacts etc show up often on modern displays.
This is a prosumer deck. I believe the professional ones from Sony are better.
D-VHS was 1080i HD VHS Tape Player.
The best VCR , but it was missing recording features.
It blows Blu ray away. They were way ahead of their time.
Screw Digital! Netflix to VHS Ha ; )
It doesn't blow Blu-ray away, they were very similar, and now of course Blu-ray is easily better, supporting 4k etc.
D-VHS decks routinely did have recording features.
Oh yea and its not the best vcr
These go for $600+ refurbished in 2021 if you’re wondering. 😳
Look harder cs I got one for 200 last week
$600 seems overpriced, better models are cheaper than that.
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(no offence).
The best VCR is svo-5800 and jvc victor hr-w5
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This is a very old consumer-grade machine. I doubt it's the best. It was probably released in 1990 or around that time. And at that point in time, it was probably the best consumer S-VHS VCR. There was some progress after that. The Philips 969 should be better. I should have more features and more advanced picture enhancement including the Dynamic Drum system, more modern NR, etc., albeit it would have some simplifications too.
Professional S-VHS did reach its pick early however (around 1990). Professional equipment of course was much better and much more expensive. An example of professional VCR that had some convenient features for home use is the JVC BR-800. It's not too big or too heavy duty. It had RF jacks for home use unlike more expensive professional S-VHS machines. The difference between S-VHS and VHS (line resolution) is misunderstood and had always been exaggerated by manufacturers. There's not that much difference there. It's just marketing. I did own some S-VHS VCRs and they were a letdown. Basically the same VHS in quality if you use quality VHS master tapes and a quality VHS VCR. If you use regular VHS tapes and a regular VHS VCR, then, yeah, S-VHS tapes look cleaner and better. So you may say VHS sucks but it's only on regular VHS tapes and regular VHS VCRs. I mean S-VHS was almost a scam. You could have just bought a quality VHS VCR and it was all the same. Almost the same. There were some pros to S-VHS machines that I loved: flying erase head, dynamic drum, and various editing features. They were really nice in terms of features.
@Bill Morrigan….maybe you should watch some SVHS vs VHS YT videos. Maybe to the causal eye there’s not much difference, but it’s definitely there in the level of detail when compared side by side. And there should be comparing SVHS 400 to VHS 240 lines.
@@DKN808 You quote luma (b&w) resolution but ignore chroma (colour) resolution which is the same in VHS and SVHS at 30 lines i.e. very poor. DVD is 205 lines chroma resolution. All domestic analog VCR formats suffer from poor colour resolution.
well the source need to be s-vhs to see any diffrence
It doesn't need to be an S-VHS tape. People keep repeating this, but almost certainly haven't tried it. Video capture is clearly better using an S-VHS deck for regular VHS tapes, I'd expect the same differences to be readily visible on modern displays.
The nature of CRTs inherently hides flaws/smooths the image, somewhat similarly(though it's more than just hiding flaws) old video games can look very different on CRTs & modern displays.
This is not the best VCR ever by far. Sony are know to making parts cheap for their VHS decks, with Betamax they was the best in there class. The best professional decks you can get are JVC decks and also Panasonic are top decks too. Sorry Sony don’t come near. They are ok machines but that’s it. I use to repair VHS decks back in the day and Sony decks was very cheap plastic parts inside. So no this is not the best vcr ever.
Michael Mitchell Are you talking about build quality or playback/recording quality?
I don’t believe he’s saying it’s the best VCR ever because each individual component is unbreakable. I believe that he is saying, that overall, the SVO 2000 is one of the best because it has amazing features, playback, and recording capabilities.
I’ve had a SVO 2000 for a while now, without any issues yet, so I genuinely would like to know what issues with this VCR I need to look out for in the future. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
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I’m talking about both. JVC are king of SVHS decks they made top studio models. Sony made top Betamax studio models. But in general JVC and Panasonic made the best models. Sony was never in it like them too. They was into beta and Hi8. One of the best videos to get is a super Betamax by Sony with over 500 lines of res. Most of Sony’s VHS was made of plastic parts which wear over time and also never had things like digital buffer and TBC but JVC top models did. I use to repair videos years ago and Sony’s was not very good build quality. Also when I tested video output on oscilloscope I always found Sony to be above good but not excellent. Don’t get me wrong JVC and all good companies made crap models, but found JVC and Panasonic made the best top models. The best models are from the 90s because most went plastic parts near the end of its life. If you want a top VHS get a DVHS from JVC with a great SVHS deck on it and also HD video on it with over 20 hours play back. Very hard to get hold of but makes a great deck for editing. Sony is a great company made great high end hifi and TVs,etc I just think they was not into VHS like other companies because they always supported Betamax and then top beta models for tv and studio.
Considera che il betamax e' un sistema nativo sony,ma questo non significa che la sony non ha fatto dei buoni videoregistratori VHS,e tieni conto che ci sono videoregistratori molto peggio dei sony,poi comunque e vero che i sony hanno componenti di meccanica che tendono a rompersi...
It’s neat but vhs tapes were terrible quality