BLIND TEST REVEAL!!! A = Plugin + Forssell AD/DA B = Klontz EQ + Forssell AD/DA C = Plugin with no converter round trip At the time of this reveal 88% preferred A. 12% preferred B. 0% preferred C.
I could tell right away B was hardware. There is a roundness around the vocal and a more apparent depth around the whole song. "A" threw me off a bit, there was a slight digital fizz, but there was a depth to it that I normally associate with hardware. And C, I knew it was a plugin straight away.
@@chrisdacoron Having used the plugin, it was easy to find. Both A and C had the digital fizz. A had some added analog vibe due to the conversion. C was just obvious and B sounded neutral that I ignored it for a while & soon realized how awesome it sounds.
Will you please upload the RAW file as well? I would love to know how good Forssell mada 2a is! Or may me another video with Raw file and a loopback from Forssell mada 2a.
I'd preferred B and lo and behold it's the hardware... again. I listened to the wav files too and the headroom, openess, clarity, and 3D sound is unmistakable. I see how the difference may seem small to some but for me when you add it all up, it's huge. Less ear fatiguing. Thanks for this vid! I will add it doesn't mean I wouldn't buy this plugin. Maybe the plugin settings need to be tweaked differently as well.
Cool video! Downloaded the files and at first listen B was definitely most to my liking, but after I A/B'd it a couple of times I blindly (I already knew which one was with) I chose A three times in a row which actually makes me very happy. Thanks for this!
I prefer A overall, it's the brightest of all 3 and that brightness suits this track. B is the darkest, probably Klonz, C has nice low mid bump, it's probably Sontec.
You need to loop the exact same four bar phrase not a continuous 16 bar phrase and switching because the elements change and the consonants and vowels change on the singer. And other elements in the music change, that’s why this test doesn’t work.
My guess is A is hardware. Doesn’t sound exactly like a sontec though. You can actually use the “aggressive analog model” to simulate the round trip through converters. It does a pretty convincing job and is useful for a bit edgier sound.
Will you please upload the RAW file as well? I would love to know how good Forssell mada 2a is! Or may me another video with Raw file and a loopback from Forssell mada 2a.
There are things I like better about both A and B. Did they use the same eq settings? I prefer the choices on A because B sounds constrained in the highs, like the bass is eating into the headroom in a way where it's hindering the song. A has some very nice highs but could use a little more body. I've been using the plugin and also the Massive Passive from Access Analog and I don't think the Massive Passive blows it away or anything. Maybe if I really learned the MP and then compared them it would be superior. The plugin allows me to tidy up tracks I've run through plugins and then the Fusion, VSM-2, and early serial Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor that belonged to Michael Brauer. Then I hit Cedar Adaptive Limiter to finish the conversion to 16-bit.
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I suggest everyone listen and compare the HI-RES files because the differences are far more evident. I would like to point out that after trying the null-test it is necessary to lower version B by 0.5dB to have the smallest difference in out-of-phase. After several blind tests I was able to identify which versions were. The sound signature is quite evident: for the song used I prefer the A as it has wider stereo image on the medium-high and high frequencies and a faster and more precise transient response. Version B has a more analog "glue" and slightly kneads the sounds. The stereo also seems more restricted to me. Version C sounds less three-dimensional and slightly "boxy" sound.
fun how we hear same and different things at the same time. To me B is the deepest one (both frequency wise but also image wise). C sounded the flatest and A sounded less wide than B but with that extra something in the low end (yet a lil less than B)
I preffered B! Most depth and least harsh to me. C was not nice to me at all. It was a close call between A and B. B sounds a little more relaxed/chill to me. While the digital versions are much more in your face and exiting maybe? But not as deep
thank you for this! can you tell us... what is the workflow you use to run the plugin through the converter? do you just send the signal in and out then add the plugin? or does it go out... hit the plugin... then the converter... then back in? which would require a separate computer no? curious how you did it. thank you!
hello, so what you think this clone ? compare to other eqs at same price.. plug (this one) or uad are good but hardware brings hot cream, big low also ;) cheers
B's the best sound, followed by A, C's not bad, sounds like a plugin. I'd be surprised if A was the plugin, and shocked if it was B, but it's not B, that's the hardware!
Ah...a recent video ! Hey..that MES 432 weighs only about 17 pounds :) Of course, the ones that have 16 gauge steel enclosures might make some people grunt.
BLIND TEST REVEAL!!!
A = Plugin + Forssell AD/DA
B = Klontz EQ + Forssell AD/DA
C = Plugin with no converter round trip
At the time of this reveal 88% preferred A. 12% preferred B. 0% preferred C.
I could tell right away B was hardware. There is a roundness around the vocal and a more apparent depth around the whole song. "A" threw me off a bit, there was a slight digital fizz, but there was a depth to it that I normally associate with hardware. And C, I knew it was a plugin straight away.
@@chrisdacoron Having used the plugin, it was easy to find. Both A and C had the digital fizz. A had some added analog vibe due to the conversion. C was just obvious and B sounded neutral that I ignored it for a while & soon realized how awesome it sounds.
Will you please upload the RAW file as well? I would love to know how good Forssell mada 2a is! Or may me another video with Raw file and a loopback from Forssell mada 2a.
A is definitely a sontec ,nice crispy sheen 👌
@@royalbeatsuk1894 they revealed that A is plug-in with forsell conversion. B was hw. C was just straight plug-in. So, your half right lol
Great video! Killer production on the video portion as well. Glad to see you have an ear AND an eye for quality!
You’re too kind, Dave! Scary getting into YT-land. Thanks for your encouragements. 🙏
Great job man! I really enjoyed this video. Both educating and entertaining 🎉🎉🎉
I'd preferred B and lo and behold it's the hardware... again. I listened to the wav files too and the headroom, openess, clarity, and 3D sound is unmistakable. I see how the difference may seem small to some but for me when you add it all up, it's huge. Less ear fatiguing. Thanks for this vid!
I will add it doesn't mean I wouldn't buy this plugin. Maybe the plugin settings need to be tweaked differently as well.
Cool video! Downloaded the files and at first listen B was definitely most to my liking, but after I A/B'd it a couple of times I blindly (I already knew which one was with) I chose A three times in a row which actually makes me very happy. Thanks for this!
Great to see you killing it here my brother 😊
Lovely - would love to see more content from you
Thank you so much Plec!!!
I like A , C
I prefer A overall, it's the brightest of all 3 and that brightness suits this track. B is the darkest, probably Klonz, C has nice low mid bump, it's probably Sontec.
Interesting. I used to own a Klonz eq. Did a lot of work with that. I think he has improved them a lot since.
I love it
You need to loop the exact same four bar phrase not a continuous 16 bar phrase and switching because the elements change and the consonants and vowels change on the singer.
And other elements in the music change, that’s why this test
doesn’t work.
Yeah!!
Yes!!
My guess is A is hardware. Doesn’t sound exactly like a sontec though. You can actually use the “aggressive analog model” to simulate the round trip through converters. It does a pretty convincing job and is useful for a bit edgier sound.
Will you please upload the RAW file as well? I would love to know how good Forssell mada 2a is! Or may me another video with Raw file and a loopback from Forssell mada 2a.
There are things I like better about both A and B. Did they use the same eq settings? I prefer the choices on A because B sounds constrained in the highs, like the bass is eating into the headroom in a way where it's hindering the song. A has some very nice highs but could use a little more body. I've been using the plugin and also the Massive Passive from Access Analog and I don't think the Massive Passive blows it away or anything. Maybe if I really learned the MP and then compared them it would be superior. The plugin allows me to tidy up tracks I've run through plugins and then the Fusion, VSM-2, and early serial Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor that belonged to Michael Brauer. Then I hit Cedar Adaptive Limiter to finish the conversion to 16-bit.
I suggest everyone listen and compare the HI-RES files because the differences are far more evident. I would like to point out that after trying the null-test it is necessary to lower version B by 0.5dB to have the smallest difference in out-of-phase.
After several blind tests I was able to identify which versions were. The sound signature is quite evident: for the song used I prefer the A as it has wider stereo image on the medium-high and high frequencies and a faster and more precise transient response. Version B has a more analog "glue" and slightly kneads the sounds. The stereo also seems more restricted to me.
Version C sounds less three-dimensional and slightly "boxy" sound.
fun how we hear same and different things at the same time. To me B is the deepest one (both frequency wise but also image wise). C sounded the flatest and A sounded less wide than B but with that extra something in the low end (yet a lil less than B)
300 cash? Are those ones and zeros encoded in gold?
I preffered B! Most depth and least harsh to me. C was not nice to me at all. It was a close call between A and B. B sounds a little more relaxed/chill to me. While the digital versions are much more in your face and exiting maybe? But not as deep
thank you for this! can you tell us... what is the workflow you use to run the plugin through the converter? do you just send the signal in and out then add the plugin? or does it go out... hit the plugin... then the converter... then back in? which would require a separate computer no? curious how you did it. thank you!
Still would love to know….
And still would love to know this workflow
hello, so what you think this clone ? compare to other eqs at same price.. plug (this one) or uad are good but hardware brings hot cream, big low also ;) cheers
How u like the klontz eq? I’m thinking in order one. Worth it? Thanks.
B is hardware c plugin, they are so close between but in back the ground the natural of sound spread stops on c, thank you.
B's the best sound, followed by A, C's not bad, sounds like a plugin. I'd be surprised if A was the plugin, and shocked if it was B, but it's not B, that's the hardware!
Plec!!!
My guess is A is the plugin, and either B or C is the hardware, leaning towards C... seemed to feel more alive
Are the results posted yet? I'm not a member of the facebook group
Yes! :D
@@ThePanicRoomWhere? I don't see it on your channel
Check the comments section. :D
Ah...a recent video !
Hey..that MES 432 weighs only about 17 pounds :)
Of course, the ones that have 16 gauge steel enclosures might make some people grunt.
Any result, conclusion here ? Would say A is software, B hardware. C maybe hardware..
Results will be posted in a week. 👍
Hello sir, a week is past@@ThePanicRoom
Here's my guess, B is the hardware
C=KLONZ B=mbs SONTEC A=something else (but,perhaps mbs as well)
wasted 5min of my life for nothing