Duo Voice Chat /w Spear Shot in HIGH ELO | Why Voice Chat Fixes League
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Tell porofessor to add voice chat
I really like the fact that content creators like you are becoming the therapists of league players.
Just recently I played trio with a couple friends of mine. one of them is an aram enjoyer and the other I really haven't played with that mutch, so I've played solo for the most part, and it sure was a nice change to play with friends and vc. I played jg, one friend was bard support and the other one was mid/top. Having the voice chat to communicate objectives/roams/invades with not tilted people was so nice and the games went like a breese, so fun
🤓 ummm actually, it's breeze with a Z
@@spurka8837You understood what I meant and that's enough
It's a blast with casual friends for sure, but easily tilted friends can make the experience even worse than solo. I've experienced both. I was on a league team in middle school, and though I was mostly quiet, they said they enjoyed playing with me. When I got flamed they would defend me, when I felt I played bad they said it's fine you still play better than our teammate :D I still treasure those days. A few months ago I was on a three people friend group, and one of them was so insanely easy to tilt, the kind of person who presses surrender instantly after a bad play unironically. One time we dove their tower while they were three men, I was Alistar and he was Sylas, we both died and I made a joking "That was kinda bold haha" comment, not as an attack on the play but just some snarky meaningless remark. He proceeded to go on a tangent as to why I played like ass there and even opened a replay and explained what I did wrong like a presentation. There were many times he got tilted for me following my own play rather than go with his, and it was like every time I said something, no matter how jokingly, he would find a way to understand it in the most negative extreme. That event was the final straw. We aren't friends anymore :
@@spurka8837 Jackass lol
You were not kidding when you said that guy was in for a treat!
I love Future Azzapp, hes so much better than Past Azzapp.
Great video Spear Shot is so funny.
I just started tuning into his videos. How was he like back in the day
@@flooavenger Before breakfast he was a bit hungry.
hahahaha@@yeetdeets
Hits pi KDA "I'm really fed rn" hell yea, brother.
I've never had a bad experience joining champ select discord calls. Not once. It's always made the game more enjoyable, and easier to play since I'm able to communicate with other people on my team. Closest I've had to a bad experience was a post-game call where this dude was losing his mind the entire game in chat, and even that was a surprisingly civil discussion of the game. He was still an asshole, but compared to his in-game behaviour it was night/day.
A lot of bad things can happen in voice chat . One people can’t focus on two things at once, unless you’re a pro player , they’re not chatting about their lives , they’re giving quick call commands and initiatives then complimenting after the play . A lot of players can’t do that with strangers . Second the game would be so much more toxic and it’s already the number one toxic game . Forcing people to talk and socialize is a weird concept when alot of introverts are socially inept . This would have a negative effect on girl gamers too. Punishment would be muting you for weeks while others can flame you now in voice chat . Not everyone can speak into mic , due to family reasons or toxic reasons or being shy and the player base will go down a lot . Maybe in 5 years when the game dies a bit they’ll add it in.
@@ogbobbyjohnson3502smells like some bullshit from purple-haired professionally offended one. As an socially inept introvert with heavy social anxiety myself I find voice chat in Leauge with strangers useful and easy bc I do not have to actually socialise. "Garen stop push, enemy jungler and mid are coming for your ass!" - is not some fking smalltalk. And if you can not interact with other players even at this level - just do not play team oriented games EVER.
@@oldevilgreendog your comment is absolutely wrong , there’s thousands of challenger players who don’t use discord comms at all. Learn to communicate without speaking , like I said I could chat too if my roommate or parent needed sleep and I can’t talk loudly . League has been out for more than 10 years and never needed voice chat . And still doesn’t or they would’ve added it in future plans .
@@ogbobbyjohnson3502 You can not communicate with anyone who just "/fullmute all" from the start. And games quality is literally shit bc of it.
yeah boy. you guys are a kind of healthy approach to this game. riot need more people like you
Gotta be the most wholesome duo in the community
We all needed that duo
Loved the vid, I expected greatness and got exactly that!
The video we have been waiting for!
Bruh love your attitude, thnx for the games and awsomw intro i laughed quite a bit
12:05 "Good thing I don't miss, eh?" Absolute menace
Good stuff, two top lol streamers
7:50 We all know he didt R for the Gank but aimed for the juicy wave instead.
Two Chads playing. Loving your vids Sir Azzapp.
Voice chat is a double edge sword ngl
Voice chat would make league 10x better and 10x worse. I'd still vote yes.
Could just mute+report if bad behavior occurs, only excuse I can think of is that they don't wanna moderate it, but valorant has voice chat and they can moderate it there, so they would have no issue doing it here either.
I don't agree, i don't see any disadvantage
In which way? If you mean toxicity league is extremely toxic already, most people wouldn’t say the insults cause writing them is much more easier morally. Plus other games do have it and you can see they are also toxic but the world hasn’t ended yet. You can just mute others if you want to, it won’t change anything other than adding a easier way to communicate.
Look at it this way
If talking to humans in your daily life is a double edged sword then sure talking to the same humans u talk to everyday but in a game is a double edged sword
While you're probably right on vc allowing people to play better, my introverted butt quite simply doesn't want to talk to people when I go to play a game of league.
It's not fear of bad experiences, it's just not wanting to deal with speaking to people I don't know.
love the content
I think itd be worth listening to Broken by Concept episode 77 Azzapp, since they discuss the merits and flaws of voice chat there. Pretty goated.
great video
Love the intro
The best collab
Two of my favorite league players
Spearshot is just such a positive guy, seems infectious XD.
Have you guys ever played dota? Voice chat is there from beginig and yeah as a lot of people said you can just mute toxic players... (Voice chat was one of the main reasons i started playing dota in the early years)
Good morning azzap 👋🗿
Was waiting for this since that comment :D
Does your MS support build work with Hwei? I do not know what makes this good on Vel'koz that doesn't apply to Hwei
Two goats changing the league community 🐐
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Yo Azzapp, you should make a video on how voice chat fixes league with all positive and negative sides to it. In my opinion, voice chat is a tool that would improve everything in the game.
or you can just type karthus use ult. ITS not THAT hard.
Ive been advocating for vc since forever. With azzaps influence that he had on ff culture he could make vc a thing
What do I build in the patch for velkoz?
is there a way for you to block your minimap while streaming but have it visible in videos? I really like seeing it when i watch so I can understand what info you had when making decisions.
Instant watch
Yay
Spear and azz: 🥰🙂🤝
Spear and naayil:💀
Seeing Spearshot on so many other channels like Druttut, xPetu, and now Azzap. So happy for the Lesbianese Sniper
Ur movespeed is insane, full ms runes?
No way that the best player of my main is also from balkans! Greetings from serbia my man
Honestly, master+ not being able to duo Q is so unfortunate. I am a top lane and cannot really play with my midlaner friend since at least one of us hits master early into the season.
I still think the porofessor gold and camp tracking is kinda cheating. Don't think it should be allowed and I personally refuse to use those kinds of tools
it's info that's already there, you just don't have to do calculations to see it
Yea like that guy said, it just calculates the gold value of all items on the scoreboard. You could do that yourself but you dont wanna be playing with a calculator
@@rogumann838 counter argument, since literally no one can calculate that while playing, it's still cheating.
@@glenndiddy but you can calculate it whilst playing, people just don't want to. Besides that information is available to everyone in the match, at least that's the reason why riot allows it.
🗿 duo
Coming from Overwatch to league I found it so weird that there wasn't built in voice chat for a game where, compared to overwatch, is so much more heavily based around teamplay and macro than mechanics. (OW is too, but there you can get really far by being really good at clicking heads)
However, after getting to know the league community, I kinda understand lol.
In other games like OW, I was always an active VCer, trying to communicate with my team, and now in League (albeit I'm still new and low elo), I mute chat because I find it almost never has any useful information, and that it's just a distraction.
Another wild thing is how they refuse to acknowledge it even though Valorant, which is also made by Riot Games, has it and it works fine there
mid velkoz item tier list when?
Spear Shot and Side Shot.
I believe people will be less toxic in voice chat. The closer of a Human interaction we have the less likely the toxicity and more sense of team to try and win. Imagine 5 people sitting next to each other and playing then if you disrespect someones mum you are gonna get punched in the face
You're optimistic, and I think that is a really great personnality to have. Unfortunately, we're still on the internet and ppl let themselves be the worst imaginable just because we can't punch them in the face. One small example : every girl I spoke to who played Overwatch had been harassed for being a girl in a videogame. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
And it wasn't like a rare occurence, it was the norm, what they had to expect from launching the game everyday on every match. It's sad, really, and I do believe the only way to make things better is for game companies to hire a bunch of ppl, real people, to review chat and reports and ban them all.
killing a vayne top feel amazing true. a while ago i played aatrox into vayne and stomped her even tho she was smurfing its the best round i can remember.
What is the status of voice chat in lol? In wildrift, voice chat is only available for party members and not teammates.
Same thing. Low quality VC for party members, none for teammates
i was otp yasuo tried to play velkoz im so in love i cant come back pls help
You are in voicechat with someone you know and speaks your language and has a top streamer quality set up. Thats the ideal condition and about as representative as playing in Challenger is of the general player base.
You both are positive players of course voice chat is good. Imagine the same kenny and Kevin that scream after every failed moves. People are not the same
Valorant, another Riot Game, has it just fine. If you're that scared you can play with it muted by default in the settings before you even load in
It’s a lot easier to talk shit to someone over a text chat. But when you hear their voice you can understand immediately a lot about that person. Yes there could be way more personal bullying but you could have 3 other people defending that person. And the ability to share opinions or ideas about the game instantly instead of having to sit afk and type an essay will change the game forever
but but voice chat would increase toxicity tho bro. Trust me bro, riot said so...
@@PossibleTango I mean it definitely will, all you need to do is look at other games that have voice chat (like FPS games). The things I've been called in CS games would get me banned from here lmao.
It is still a great idea to have voice chat especially since you can just mute if you don't like it. But taking two of the most positive content creators in a heavily winning game as example of the average voice chat experience is just not it
After playing Dota, regardless of downsides I cannot do without voice chat
thanks for the cool videos, would it be possible to remove the mapcover in the youtube videos, i really like watching your videos but its a bit hard to follow (and get better at ) macro for me without seeing the map
What is happening in diamond? In every game people just give up. In the last 40 games in 35 of them one person just gives up and makes us play 4v5. WTF IS GOING ON.
I think they dont add voice chat to league to nerf the combination of monsters like azzapp, spearshot or baus
PREACH, QUEEN!!
I played overwatch before with vc. Shooter games NEED vc much more than league as split second decisions and communication matter much more. It was miserable, so much so that I’d rather turn it off and lose a winnable game every now and then because I can’t hear the rarely useful comms than deal with it in every game I play. Vc in league CAN be helpful sure, probably will be at the highest levels of play and sure you can mute cunts, still, I’d rather have my peace of mind.
Then play with it muted by default? Not that hard lil bro
@@Black-nf3tx wow really that’s insane knowledge that I didn’t have before thank you bro you must have 160 iq or something to have figured that out
As a socially anxious and quite emotional player, I would opt out of this feature. I miss one ability and immediately get giga flamed or my team hears my self flame.
us bro us .
It is legit infuriating hearing rioters like August say that the big reason they won't put voice chat in League is because "It isn't as important to have communication as it is in Valorant". Like I can think of ZERO genres of games that require as much comms as MOBAs. From DotA to HotS to League the simple act of going bot lane or jungling in general require more comms than the entirety of the tac shooter genre combined. I love Val, I love CS and I love Siege but the vast majority of comms people dish out in those games at even high elo are easily replaced at least in part by the dedicated ping systems they have. Meanwhile, League's far more sophisticated ping system barely replaces basic team communication in a meaningful way.
Every single game of League I see at least a half dozen situations that could have gone 10000% differently if the team was just able to communicate to each other in real time with specificity instead of having to play a game of telephone with a ping system that is so stressful to use in the moment and has to typically be used reactively instead of proactively.
voice chat sadly wouldn't fix league's toxicity, it'd just give toxic people an extra alternative. There needs to be some form of incentive for positivity that means something to people for them to change their ways
its not proof of concept if u know each other. no?
Good video but doesn’t really seem like a proof for voice chat.
I thought azap was na
I agree with you on a lot of things but voice chat would absolutely ruin the game, it is called "solo q" for a reason. Not to mention the "increased team play" thing is a farce that wont actually happen. It will 100% just turn into a battle of egos over whos play is better. You could say it would be way easier to communicate things such as ganks or roams, but then is anyone learning anything? Imagine the amount of people who already just auto listen to their team on whatever play they want to make, it would only get worse hearing your team mates beg for ganks or to play around them, then you'll really feel pressured to do it just to please them. I think people have this grandiose idea of making solo q more like pro play with comms but it just isn't the same. Pro play is a different beast and it makes sense why they need it. For solo q it makes no sense and the game would be objectively worse in my opinion if they ever added it, I hope they never do at least in solo/duo
Also just to add you and spear know each other and are in high elo so you match with and against each other often to build a bond. That would not happen in lower elos where you get 4 new teamates, 4 new personalites etc. Every game Clashing and trying to figure out how to communicate with each other. I think if people really want to communicate with your teamates just play for a team there are plenty of league casual and competitive out there
as well as this, it's super hard to add voice chat to a game that didnt have voice chat for 14 years, valorant was introduced with it from the start and the communication is built with it in mind. League already has fantastic pings and you can still pull off a lot of great teamplays with just that. If you're not in a voicechat you'd just inherently be at a disatvantage as well which sucks (if you don't speak english you are extremely unlikely to be able to participate in a voicechat either which sucks). there are more reasons but yeah, it's really a horrible idea
This is such a bad take
@orkazzz9959
First of all, no. The ping system in League is abismal. No one uses 90% of the available pings. And even if you use all the pings correctly, ,ou can barely use them a few times before it goes on CD, so that you dont spam. And that limits a lot of what you could do. And we arent even talking about the players towards whom the pings are directed to. The fact no one uses 90% of pings, means that players dont know what they mean, when they get pinged with them. Even if I ping my jungler to push out my lane after I die, he wont know what the ping means. And even if they knew what it means, a lot of people simply ignore pings. A lot of people play with music, so they dont hear the pings. Or even if the, hear them, they ignore them. A lot of "missing" and "danger" pings are ignored because they arent right on the person you want to warn. You mentioned teamplay and how you can still pull of a lot with the pings. No. You cant. Regardless how many times you ping the enemy carries, so your teammates focus on them, they wont. Even if you write in chat, they will ignore the carries most of the time. I actually cannot think of a game, where pinging the enemy carry and telling my teammates multiple times to focus them, had any meaningful outcome.
Your other point about League not being designed with voice chat is also bad. No game is designed around having or not having voice-chat. Games are designed and then a decision is made to implement voice-chat or not. League would be the same game with voice-chat. It doesnt change anything about the game mechanics. It simply improves communication. Valorant would be the same game without voice-chat. The difference between having voice-chat and not having voice-chat in a game is a difference of information, which you can exchange with your teammates. The amount of things you can tell your team in voice is infinitely more than you can do with pings.
@saint_lol
Not to insult you, but you speak like someone, who has never played competitive teamsports. Most, if not all the things you described as being potential problems, barely matter.
Getting to know the people you play with and building bonds with them barely matters in competetive settings. I have played futsal with the same people for a few years now. I know them pretty well. They know me pretty well. We are friends outside of the games. In games however, especially when loosing, we will still scream at each other/blame the other etc. Knowing the other person doesnt matter. And this isnt the case only for physical activity. In league, the same is true. I have a good friend. He will still scream at me when I make a shiit play, just the same as he did, when we started playing.
What matters is the personality. And here I have to agree with you. Ego would be a problem. There would have to be restrictions so that people dont call each other slurs and everything, but there would be much more screaming in voice chat, than on a football pitch simply because people wouldnt moderate themselves. On a pitch with people watching you, a referee and your coach, you will hold yourself back (except a few idiots, who cannot hold themselves back).
So ego and because of that shouting matches will be a problem with voice-chat. But it will still be much less of an issue than you think. Most people dont have Tyler 1 levels of ego. Chat doesnt translate to voice. People, who type furiously wont always be psychos, who just want to shout at you for their mistakes.
And even if there are a few bad apples and vpice chat devolves into a shouting contest between 2 players, you could still mute. If ,ou can coordinate yourselves, a 4v5 with voice chat is much easier than a 4v5 without voice-chat.
Another thing is. If you have voice-chat in the game for a few months, people will start to understand how broken it is. They will start to understand, that it helps tremendously and will be less likely to shout at each other. This is honestly the same point as with ff. If we push back ff to 20 min, at first people will just run it down, but after some time they will learn to cope with it, accept it and adapt.
You also mentioned people, who just go along with what others say. Again, not to insult you, but that sounds like you are basing that off of your own playing style. I understand what you are trying to say, because I myself tend to follow people as well. I often find myself going into 2v2 situations with my jungler even when I think its a losing play. However, this is only a problem if I am on auto pilot. If I am not thinking about the game, I follow others. If I however actively think about the game and try to win, I often ping them to back off or dont engage, etc. This dynamic exists regardless of voice-chat and its extent doesnt get amplified by it. And even if it were, you have to consider. The person, who is "following" the others is smart or dumb. Same is true for the "leading" people. Smart or dumb. Lets say the leading person is dumb and thinks its a winning play, even if it isnt. If the "follower" is smart, he should know its loosing and should warn the "leader" and not absentmindedly follow. If the "follower" is dumb, they wont see its a loosing play and it doesnt matter whether they go in unconciously or conciously. If the "leader" is smart, they should know its a good play and explain it. If the "follower" is also smart, they will realize its a good play and follow. If the follower is dumb, they will think its a bad play. In this case, the dumb person should be convinced and follow the "leader".
Honestly this is not a problem, but a simple dynamic between people and their personalities. You should always consider your options before doing smth in the game. And you shouldnt be on auto pilot. If you do this, then being a "follower" is no different from being the "leader".
I hope this is my last point. The "It's soloQ for a reason" argument does not work. SoloQ is literally a competetive team sport. Faker being number 1 in the korean server is the exact same thing as Erling Haaland being the best player in the premier league. You are playing so that YOU become the best, but you do it WITH THE HELP of your team. (Alright, technically flex is the perfect comparison, but its still very very similar.) Imagine a world, where football is structured the same way as soloQ currently. No coaches, no staff, basicly no training and when you get on the pitch with 10 people, you have never met before, you are not allowed to communicate with each other with the exception of pointing. And each game you get new teammates. It would be impossible to play football that way. Same is true for soloQ. The only possible way you could even wish of achieving anything is that sort of setting, is if you are miles above the competition. You would have to be a beast on the pitch and score constantly, while also defending. Honestly, in that sort of setting, I am not even sure if Haaland could achieve anything. He is great at scoring, but in current games, uts his team defending, not him.
When you have no coaching, no helping staff, no training and random teammates, the only way, that a team could play together in any way shape or form, is to allow them to communicate with each other. It would still be an absolute fuccking mess, but it would at least allow people to achieve more.
Another thing to the "it's SoloQ" part. The way SoloQ is structured means, that people with good mechanics are much more likely to succeed than people with good macro. Because people who have good mechanics can just beat and roll over the opponent. Peolle with good macro go even more often, but know how to move around the map. What to do with a lead. But if their team doesnt know, what would be best out of a macro perspective, then its for naught, since they wont move where they need to be. A macro genius, who has shiit mechanics cannot manage his team well enough to get to the same level as a mechanicsl genius with atrocious macro knowledge.
This can simply be shown if you consider this: Two teams of 5. There are 6 average players. 3 on each team. There is one mechanical god on both sides and a macro god on both sides. Lets see what happens with the current system. The machanical gods get a huge lead for themselves against an average player. The macro gods get even, and the other 2 players are also even. So who wins? Well, its the team, where the bigger advantage is. The team with the better mechanical god. Why? Because the macro gods cant do shiit. Even if they type or ping, the others dont know what the macro gods want them to do. So both teams are even in macro, so the only source of an advantage can come from the mechanical gods. So the better mechanical player wins.
Now if we consider voice-chat to be done, the following happens: The mechanical gods get a huge lead. Macro gods and others are even. Midgame, lategame comes. What decides the game? Well, its the better duo so to say. It could be where the better macro god is, if he is good enough to outmanouver the enemy, or it might be where the better mechanical god is, because he can outplay the enemy in a teamfight. In this scenario both types of people have influence and both can climb to the same level if they are similar in overall skill.
Now of course, this was an exagerated example, but the point stands.
If you actually think about it, this conversation is meaningless. Why? Because there is and has never been voice-chat in League. We dont know how people would react. We dont know short-term effects and long-term effects of such change. It's all speculation.
In my opinion it would be worth a try, to implement voice-chat for just 1 year and see what happens. If it ruins the game, remove it. However, we dont know what will happen. And if there is even the slightest chance, that it will improve the game, then we should try it. The point is to have a more enjoyable experience, even if it involves risks.
how was this an enjoyable dub? they ff at 15, they could have won that game if they just didnt ff, they ruined the entire game with that surrender, please remove surrender.
Voice chat will just lead to hearing impairment with immature mentally deficit people shouting in their microphones.
Ranked Solo Queue is NOT the correct way to play League of Legends. That is a path of hopelessness, frustration and despair.
LOL is a team game by design. Find friends to play with. Form a team. Compete in Ranked 5v5. Help each other improve together as a team.
Hardest champ in the game meets easiest champ in the game (goes wrong)