Whether or not it was too much tragedy, the movie should have had Chris in it. It's tragic enough already with the deaths of all of the brothers except Kevin.
That's basically what Sean Durkin himself said. He was like, "I wanted the movie to at least end on a good note instead of throwing Chris's death at the audience and making them even more depressed."
Thanks Dave for this review, I grew up watching the Adkissons/Von Erichs in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Tx metro area, since the mid 70s, with the balance of work/kayfabe and their personal lives, it seems like I'd go see it to relive the time. 👍
I actually disagree with Chavo: I absolutely would've watched s three-and-a-half hour movie about the Von Erichs. I don't mind long movies at all. Shoot, some of my favorite movies of all time are long (Schindler's List, The Wolf of Wall Street, The Irishman, etc.)
I completely agree with this. Not only is it bad enough that the movie excludes Chris, they also skim over or outright ignore a good amount of things that happened to the brothers
I’ve been wanting to see this movie since I saw the trailer. Didn’t know it was over 2 hours. I’m glad they really put time into the story instead of 90 minutes. Now I want to see it even more
The omissions I read from Brian Solomon's review were Chris's entire absence and almost every scene of Lance (MJF) being cut. Since I guess it mainly focuses on the patriarch and his four most popular sons, then it's to be expected. Great review without revealing too much. The final push I needed to decide to see it in the theater.
I would prefer they kept Chris in and added the run time. It just seems like he didn’t matter but he did. I think his death hurt Kerry and Kevin the most based on some of Kevin’s interviews.
I was really bothered by that exclusion. It's even more depressing when Chris in real life was upset he wasn't like his brothers so this movie adds even more tragedy to him even when he wasn't in the film.
It’s especially tragic because he was the youngest of them all too, and arguably the ultimate display of neglect and greed by Fritz. By all accounts, Chris just wasn’t physically capable of wrestling. A real father, especially one who has seen tragedy befall 2 of his sons already, would’ve put his foot down. Fritz should’ve kept Chris safe from the pain of hurting himself in the ring, and of the disappointment of not being able to be a wrestler. He should’ve told him every single day that even if he wasn’t like his brothers, it wasn’t his fault and they all still loved him. But he didn’t, he let Chris get in the ring and get hurt, and that just made everything worse for all the family.
Chavo is the go-to guy for wrestling portrayals in Hollywood. Excellent way to make his mark in the industry and I hope he continues to do superb work.
In the poster the brothers are holding the NWA World six man tag team title belts but those are not the actual belts they had back then, that was probably to make them look diferent because the actual belts had the exact model of the NWA World tite, they probably change it so it couldnt look confusing for the casual audience when Kerry defeats Ric Flair to become World Champion in the David Von Erich memorial show.
JUST SAW IT GREAT MOVIE ZAC EFRON IS A GREAT ACTOR AND THIS MOVIE PROVES IT THIS IS THE 2ND TIME LILY JAMES PLAYED A GIRL NAMED PAM HER FIRST ONE WAS PAMELA ANDERSON IN PAM AND TOMMY
Seen the movie and it was good. They ain’t talk much about Kerry being in the then WWF as the Texas Tornado. The only thing they showed was Fritz watching his sons match against Mr Perfect at SummerSlam
Those belts look like the old Big Time Wrestling belts. And the All Japan Wrestling belts. And Crockett's tag belts. Even Superstar/Backland's world belt (there must have been a sale). 😆
Dave, it seems your reply to me was removed. But here is my response. Just my take, nothing personal. It's just a movie HOWEVER... I'd say that they ignored important aspects to a huge extent. I saw Kerry snort once, I saw one steroid shot. I didn't see any real abuse or show how much of an issue the drugs were. They took a brush and painted a very thin coat. Ignoring the substance abuse of the brothers, Kerry's arrests and Fritz's ability to cover it up would have made this much more compelling. They made it look like Kerry's demise was due to being cut from WWF, but ignored why he was being released and that he was facing jail time as well. Also, an early scene shows them planning out the moves before a tag match with Brody. Then Kevin talks about the arrangements of matches to his soon-to-be wife. But later they have scenes in the movie that seem to try and maintain kayfabe. Fritz training one of them on how to apply more pressure on the claw, as if it's all real. Kevin not letting go of a claw and getting DQ'd in a match with dad and Kerry asking him "what happened" as if he lost control in a match he should have won. Just silly This could have been so much better. Fritz's ego and manipulation, faking a heart attack on Christmas, getting Kerry the belt and a big merch development just 3 months after David's death. They had the opportunity to show Mike getting back into the ring when he had no business being there. This would have really placed context to his death and made it more moving I know the story is long with many characters but IMHO it was timid with the truth. Fritz's continual use of family tragedy to market WCCW is something that could have been used. The brothers had tragic stories and all the emotion we got was a jacked up Efron looking lost and sad.
Haven't seen the movie, yet. I'm going to see it with my fiance on Christmas Day. I grew up watching the Von Erichs and know the story full well. But I've had to tell my fiance (who wants to see it and doesn't know the story of the Von Erichs) that this is not a story with a happy ending by any stretch of the imagination and I just want her to be prepared for it.
6:26 I get what they are saying. But it wasn't about accuracy for me. Chris feeling inadequate compared to his brothers is what led to his passing; and leaving him out to reduce the runtime seems so Big Hollywood. It's not what I've come to expect of A24. Just knowing that Lance "Von Erich" was in this movie more than Chris Von Erich breaks my heart.
It’s all about pacing if the pacing is right, doesn’t matter of a film is short or long it just has to be constantly engaging with the audience then the time just goes by like nothing. Truly awful films are the ones with the worst pacing in my experience
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I thought this movie was horrible. It ignored the drugs, booze, roids, and arrests. It was an afterschool special. Hardly any character development. I was looking forward to the deaths to get the movie overwith. They made great efforts to recreate real wrestling moments with the freebirds and a terrible ric flair actor, so yes it is fair complain about characters missing the mark on looking like the real thing. Kevin being so huge compared to a smaller kerry was distracting.
They didn't ignore any of that. Were you in the bathroom for those scenes? And I get that it's valid that people are entitled to their own opinion and the looks thing matters a lot to some people. But for me, that's always been a surface detail. As I said, I know some people can't get past it, and it seems you are one of them
@@DaveKnowsWrestling they showed a little partying but did not suggest addicton. Kerry's struggles was brought down to a single phone call and trouble returning with his new foot. Wasn't Kerry deep into addiction, about to be sent to jail, and losing his marriage at the time? They made Kevin look like a hurt little boy scout. All Efron did was look sad and stare into space. They failed to show how troubled the boys were and how manipulative Fritz was. It's as if they want to show the "curse" was the cause of tragedy and not the parenting, manipulation by Fritz, , enabling, entitlement, or the drugs and alcohol that led to tragedy. Kevin's drug use, almost dying in the ring, contemplating suicide, Kerry's airport arrest ...none of it shown
The movie was good, but I do not feel they fully showed us how shitty of a dad Fritz was. He is portrayed as a bad parent but they only scratched the surface.
Oh yeah, they barely show any of Fritz's worst traits as a father. My only guess is they didn't wanna make him a complete villain in the story, but still could've showed a lot more of how he was in real life.
Both completely different films. Of both involves with wrestling but "the wrestler" is all about a struggling"has been" and iron claw is basically a family tragedy
They still wouldn't look the part even if they did. So now you would have just taken your biggest star and put him in a role where he's not gonna be in the entire film. Not a good plan
@DaveKnowsWrestling I agree with you, I understand why they were cast like that. I just meant lookwise it would have been a better fit :) Keep up your good work! I just recently discovered you and like what you do.
Agreed. The exactitude of The Sportatorium is uncanny.
Whether or not it was too much tragedy, the movie should have had Chris in it. It's tragic enough already with the deaths of all of the brothers except Kevin.
I’m glad Dave loved it! I saw an early screening and it is excellent and can’t wait to see what people think.
Im not the biggest fan of them cutting Chris his story might be too dark to even put in the movie i mean my god how much tragedy can people take
That's basically what Sean Durkin himself said. He was like, "I wanted the movie to at least end on a good note instead of throwing Chris's death at the audience and making them even more depressed."
And Chris did shoot himself in the head.
@@bigjonstx and died in Kevin's arms
I saw Chris got removed & merged his story with Mike for time constraints as well.
@@marcuss.9302 which is bullshit. The true story is that depressing. So why exclude him?
Thanks Dave for this review, I grew up watching the Adkissons/Von Erichs in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Tx metro area, since the mid 70s, with the balance of work/kayfabe and their personal lives, it seems like I'd go see it to relive the time. 👍
I hope that they release an “extended” cut with all the cut scenes for a home release
Agreed this movie should've been a 2.5 hr film
I actually disagree with Chavo: I absolutely would've watched s three-and-a-half hour movie about the Von Erichs. I don't mind long movies at all. Shoot, some of my favorite movies of all time are long (Schindler's List, The Wolf of Wall Street, The Irishman, etc.)
I completely agree with this. Not only is it bad enough that the movie excludes Chris, they also skim over or outright ignore a good amount of things that happened to the brothers
I’ve been wanting to see this movie since I saw the trailer. Didn’t know it was over 2 hours. I’m glad they really put time into the story instead of 90 minutes. Now I want to see it even more
The omissions I read from Brian Solomon's review were Chris's entire absence and almost every scene of Lance (MJF) being cut. Since I guess it mainly focuses on the patriarch and his four most popular sons, then it's to be expected.
Great review without revealing too much. The final push I needed to decide to see it in the theater.
Even in death Chris is overshadowed by his brothers
@@__-wm9luhonestly that's just adds even more tragedy to him and his struggles
At least Ryan Nemeth got a line
I would prefer they kept Chris in and added the run time. It just seems like he didn’t matter but he did. I think his death hurt Kerry and Kevin the most based on some of Kevin’s interviews.
I was really bothered by that exclusion. It's even more depressing when Chris in real life was upset he wasn't like his brothers so this movie adds even more tragedy to him even when he wasn't in the film.
It’s especially tragic because he was the youngest of them all too, and arguably the ultimate display of neglect and greed by Fritz. By all accounts, Chris just wasn’t physically capable of wrestling. A real father, especially one who has seen tragedy befall 2 of his sons already, would’ve put his foot down. Fritz should’ve kept Chris safe from the pain of hurting himself in the ring, and of the disappointment of not being able to be a wrestler. He should’ve told him every single day that even if he wasn’t like his brothers, it wasn’t his fault and they all still loved him. But he didn’t, he let Chris get in the ring and get hurt, and that just made everything worse for all the family.
No Chris Adams either. Lacey and Hollie were tiny at the time of their father's death, and was divorced from his wife.
I’m so pumped for this movie, thank you Dave. Can’t wait
Great movie
MY BRO AND I ARE GOING TO SEE IT FRIDAY
100% agreed that Chris Von Erichh should have been in the movie. It's doing a disservice to his existence and the Von Erich family.
never woulda guessed the dude from 17 Again would end up being the lead in a wrestling biopic movie
Nice job, Dave. I'm sure it will be enjoyable for us fans of your channel.
Thanks Dave for the review.I hope it's released in New York.I will go see it.
CHAVO GUEERERO DID A GREAT JOB TRAINING ZAC AND JERMEY FROM THE CLIPS I SAW
Chavo is the go-to guy for wrestling portrayals in Hollywood. Excellent way to make his mark in the industry and I hope he continues to do superb work.
@@LoneLeeGH CHAVO EVEN WORKED ON YOUNG ROCK WITH THE ACTORS
In the poster the brothers are holding the NWA World six man tag team title belts but those are not the actual belts they had back then, that was probably to make them look diferent because the actual belts had the exact model of the NWA World tite, they probably change it so it couldnt look confusing for the casual audience when Kerry defeats Ric Flair to become World Champion in the David Von Erich memorial show.
Just a mistake. Attention wasnt taken closely for this movie.
Also they didn’t have belts yet until near the time World Class withdrew from the NWA to go it alone nationally.
Thank For the Review Video 🙊🤯🥰😍😁💗💐🌟🥇🏆
I wish they actually had the scene of kerry vs flair for the title
JUST SAW IT GREAT MOVIE ZAC EFRON IS A GREAT ACTOR AND THIS MOVIE PROVES IT THIS IS THE 2ND TIME LILY JAMES PLAYED A GIRL NAMED PAM HER FIRST ONE WAS PAMELA ANDERSON IN PAM AND TOMMY
these von erichs are from a different universe
ALSO I TOOK MY BROTHER TO SEE IT SOI SEE HOW WOULD A NON WRESTLING FAN WOULD TAKE THE MOVIE AND HE LOVED IT
where i can watch the movie
9:07 what’s the reason you keep cutting to a shot like this
Seen the movie and it was good. They ain’t talk much about Kerry being in the then WWF as the Texas Tornado. The only thing they showed was Fritz watching his sons match against Mr Perfect at SummerSlam
My only issue is Jeremy Allen White. He’s a fine actor, but he looks nothing like Kerry and they have much different demeanors.
As I said, Efron and Kevin. Efron looks as almost as much like Kevin as I do. It's a minor detail to get hung up on
@@DaveKnowsWrestlingI think Jeremy should've been kevin & Aaron should've been Kerry.
I guess it's a bit of a consolation that Chavo co-signed on not including Chris. The only way I make a call myself is to see it I guess
I liked seeing Ryan Nemeth and MJF
Those belts look like the old Big Time Wrestling belts. And the All Japan Wrestling belts. And Crockett's tag belts. Even Superstar/Backland's world belt (there must have been a sale). 😆
Dave, it seems your reply to me was removed. But here is my response. Just my take, nothing personal. It's just a movie HOWEVER...
I'd say that they ignored important aspects to a huge extent. I saw Kerry snort once, I saw one steroid shot. I didn't see any real abuse or show how much of an issue the drugs were. They took a brush and painted a very thin coat. Ignoring the substance abuse of the brothers, Kerry's arrests and Fritz's ability to cover it up would have made this much more compelling. They made it look like Kerry's demise was due to being cut from WWF, but ignored why he was being released and that he was facing jail time as well.
Also, an early scene shows them planning out the moves before a tag match with Brody. Then Kevin talks about the arrangements of matches to his soon-to-be wife. But later they have scenes in the movie that seem to try and maintain kayfabe. Fritz training one of them on how to apply more pressure on the claw, as if it's all real. Kevin not letting go of a claw and getting DQ'd in a match with dad and Kerry asking him "what happened" as if he lost control in a match he should have won. Just silly
This could have been so much better. Fritz's ego and manipulation, faking a heart attack on Christmas, getting Kerry the belt and a big merch development just 3 months after David's death. They had the opportunity to show Mike getting back into the ring when he had no business being there. This would have really placed context to his death and made it more moving I know the story is long with many characters but IMHO it was timid with the truth. Fritz's continual use of family tragedy to market WCCW is something that could have been used.
The brothers had tragic stories and all the emotion we got was a jacked up Efron looking lost and sad.
Haven't seen the movie, yet. I'm going to see it with my fiance on Christmas Day. I grew up watching the Von Erichs and know the story full well. But I've had to tell my fiance (who wants to see it and doesn't know the story of the Von Erichs) that this is not a story with a happy ending by any stretch of the imagination and I just want her to be prepared for it.
Great movie.
6:26 I get what they are saying. But it wasn't about accuracy for me. Chris feeling inadequate compared to his brothers is what led to his passing; and leaving him out to reduce the runtime seems so Big Hollywood. It's not what I've come to expect of A24.
Just knowing that Lance "Von Erich" was in this movie more than Chris Von Erich breaks my heart.
Lance ain't in it.
@@vegasmagicman Yes he was. Ever so briefly, played by MJF. That's my point.
It’s all about pacing if the pacing is right, doesn’t matter of a film is short or long it just has to be constantly engaging with the audience then the time just goes by like nothing. Truly awful films are the ones with the worst pacing in my experience
Change of subject sorry but im in the right place did i see Sting in a metal video band is Laaz Rockit song is Fire in the Hold check it out someone thanks
I couldn't agree more with the Nicole Kidman commercial! I mean, we're here (or there), you got our money, why are you still promoting AMC?
Dav don't play dumb, u know the hardcore fan gonna watch everything anyway, look at aew n raw ratings
6/10
The guy playing Kerry von Erich looks nothing like him....Kerry was an Adonis.
None of them look like any of them
I thought this movie was horrible. It ignored the drugs, booze, roids, and arrests. It was an afterschool special. Hardly any character development. I was looking forward to the deaths to get the movie overwith.
They made great efforts to recreate real wrestling moments with the freebirds and a terrible ric flair actor, so yes it is fair complain about characters missing the mark on looking like the real thing. Kevin being so huge compared to a smaller kerry was distracting.
They didn't ignore any of that. Were you in the bathroom for those scenes? And I get that it's valid that people are entitled to their own opinion and the looks thing matters a lot to some people. But for me, that's always been a surface detail. As I said, I know some people can't get past it, and it seems you are one of them
@@DaveKnowsWrestling they showed a little partying but did not suggest addicton. Kerry's struggles was brought down to a single phone call and trouble returning with his new foot. Wasn't Kerry deep into addiction, about to be sent to jail, and losing his marriage at the time? They made Kevin look like a hurt little boy scout. All Efron did was look sad and stare into space. They failed to show how troubled the boys were and how manipulative Fritz was.
It's as if they want to show the "curse" was the cause of tragedy and not the parenting, manipulation by Fritz, , enabling, entitlement, or the drugs and alcohol that led to tragedy.
Kevin's drug use, almost dying in the ring, contemplating suicide, Kerry's airport arrest ...none of it shown
@@DaveKnowsWrestling the docs and interviews on RUclips are far more compelling and informative.
The movie was good, but I do not feel they fully showed us how shitty of a dad Fritz was. He is portrayed as a bad parent but they only scratched the surface.
Oh yeah, they barely show any of Fritz's worst traits as a father. My only guess is they didn't wanna make him a complete villain in the story, but still could've showed a lot more of how he was in real life.
Im not sure why critcis butered the films it was amazing as both a Wrestling and movie fan
What critics and what did they do?
Yeah I didn't hear one bad thing
Better than "the wrestler?"
Ooh. Tough call. I'm not sure
Both completely different films. Of both involves with wrestling but "the wrestler" is all about a struggling"has been" and iron claw is basically a family tragedy
Of course they're different movies. Hence him asking which is better. Should I answer which is the better film "The Iron Claw" or "The Iron Claw"
Zac and Jeremy should have switched roles.
They still wouldn't look the part even if they did. So now you would have just taken your biggest star and put him in a role where he's not gonna be in the entire film. Not a good plan
@DaveKnowsWrestling I agree with you, I understand why they were cast like that. I just meant lookwise it would have been a better fit :)
Keep up your good work! I just recently discovered you and like what you do.
None of the actors looked like the Von Erich/Adkisson brothers. They should have used real pro wrestlers to play the Von Erichs.