Union Pacific 844 and the Union Pacific Steam Program.
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- UP 844 has been in continuous service on Union Pacific since it was built in 1944, perhaps the only steam locomotive never removed from service and still operating on its original railroad. Now totally rebuilt, it's amazing!!
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We followed to locomotive through Idaho on "shake down" runs testing the rebuild completed in 2016. Rain and mist made for some spectacular images of steam in the mist. We also stent the night at Lava Hot Springs, to "take the waters" in this awesome old hotel and resort from 1911. This was 844’s first real trip after a break-in run in the Cheyenne-Colorado area last fall. They took the locomotive through Wyoming, Idaho and Utah in April of 2017 with a string of service cars and two passenger cars. they are now ready to start a full schedule of trips with passengers.
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From Utah Rails.net:
844 and 838:
Built by American Locomotive Company.
*UP 838 was retired July 1962; stored at Cheyenne, Wyoming; used as a source of parts for 844.
* UP 844 has been in continuous service on Union Pacific since it was built in 1944; renumbered from UP 844 to UP 8444 in June 1962 to avoid confusion with newly delivered GP30 844; renumbered back to UP 844 on June 2, 1989 (27 years later) after the GP30 had been retired.
* UP 8444 received a complete rebuilding by Omaha shops in 1971, including new flues, firebrick, dynamo, and superheaters, along with new brasses, staybolts, and paint. After powering the last UP passenger train over Sherman Hill prior to the start of Amtrak on May 1, 1971, later in May 1971, UP 8444 was sent to Omaha for a complete rebuild. A break-in run was made between Omaha and Valley, Nebraska on November 7, 1971. UP 8444 returned to Cheyenne on January 10, 1972. Five days later, on January 15th, UP 8444 was used to power a train to Denver for Wyoming Day at the National Western Stock Show. (Railroad magazine, May 1972, page 54; Fifty Years of Union Pacific Steam Excursions, page 23)
*UP 844 was painted in two-tone gray with yellow lettering and striping from September 1987 through June 1996 (out of service, September 1991 to September 1996).
*UP 844 was out of service from September 1991 to September 20, 1996, for an overhaul which included work mostly on the running gear. Following the overhaul, it has been reported that almost everything below the running boards was either replaced, or reconditioned.
*UP 844 was out of service from July 1999 to March 2005, repairing damage from a boiler tube failure at Railfair 1999 in Sacramento, California.
*UP 844 overhaul and rebuild was completed during March 2005, including firebox, backhead, and all staybolts and flues; break-in run to Denver on May 5; displayed at Cheyenne on June 9, 2005; second break-in run operated between Cheyenne and Denver on June 22, 2005; operated on public excursion service on the annual Denver Post train for Cheyenne Frontier Days on July 23, and for UPHS Denver convention on July 24, 2005.
* UP 844 was last used during Cheyenne Frontier Days on July 18-20, 2013, and a special excursion for Cheyenne Depot Museum on July 21, 2013.
*UP 844 was removed from service on July 21, 2013, pending a complete overhaul.
*UP 844 was returned to service on July 23, 2016 on the Cheyenne Frontier Days special; the overhaul was completed and a test run to Greeley was made on July 12; a positioning move from Cheyenne to Denver made on July 21.
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It's nice to see 844 steaming again. Boy is she beautiful. I wish I could see her in person. I love big northern class steam engines with 80 inch drivers. I can't wait until Santa Fe 2926 is fully restored.
She will be out there this summer, and from now on!
I love to see these steam locomotives.. So glad to see this one in new condition! Thanks! :D
YAY ! ! ! ! I look forward to your new videos every weekend. Keep up the great work, Toy Man. Your videos are always very entertaining and educational.
Thanks!! This was some fun trip too. Looking forward to Cheyenne
Yours is the best site that I have encountered regarding the U.P. I didn't even know about the Heritage program. Your commentary is entertaining and so informative. The editing is excellent, the music well chosen, and you guys look like you're having fun. Congratulations and thanks.
Thanks!! We are having FUN!!!!
Making Toy Man is a lot of fun... But reading the cool comments is also a blast! Do keep watching!! :D
Great Show Dale.
Thanks!!!! What a trip! What a loco!!
Fantastic video work. A real pleasure to watch!
It’s UP 8444 for me 4-4-2020! WhoootWhooooot! I have a Photo of my Beloved Late Brother in Law at the helm of 8444 WhoootWhooooot! I am truly blessed indeed and thankful for our USA 🇺🇸 1776 Family and William “ Bill “ Riley Sr! Gold Spike Award! And Gold Spike Museum In Bailey Yard North Platte Nebraska USA 🇺🇸 WhoootWhooooot!!! 4014 and Engineers Ed Dickens and Crews ! GOD Bless you you all! And 4004 my old play ground set WhoootWhooooot!!!!! Over the Hill Gang! I best be quiet back here in the Caboose for now!! WhoootWhooooot
Hi! Good memories! And always time to make more. 4014 will be back in action again SOON For now we stay in and safe. But soon screwing around chasing trains again. Not sure how “ normal” this summer will be. Not at all we assume. But still, it is what it is and we will make the better of it! As always!
I have a question. What are your thoughts on the t1 trust
I have video of the turn a round to Nampa Id. and coming in to Boise Depot all short clips but maybe you can
Another great video! Thanks for all the work you two do for us and a big thumbs up to Union Pacific for restoring and maintaining history.
Yes... More thumbs up for the Union Pacific! They are great at restoring these steam locomotives... and fans!! Love it! Thanks for watching!
Sure do miss Idaho... And this was the perfect excuse to make the trip to Pocatello, and chase the 844! Really... a once in a lifetime experience! The rebuild is first class.. And that whistle.... WOW! One knows that this train is in town!! So glad that I could be a part of this history... Can't wait for the Big Boy debut!! We will be there!! :D
My favorite thing about this is the distinct lack of a diesel loco behind the engine.
They did have a diesel loco behind the engine when they pulled into Pocatello.. But... Then they left Pocatello without the diesel loco.. and the 844 was running solo down to Ogden.... Hummmmm.....
I got some video from 844 in Wyoming, check it out.
Will Do!!
Thanks for the footage! Glad you got the shot of the train going thru the Cutler Dam area near the Bear River on the trestle. We were going to watch it from there, but didn't think we'd have time. You must have passed us on your way south.
We could not get in there, small road lots of people. But Greg Hardy or friend on the chase did and let us use his shot. Thanks Greg!
This is a great video. So cool seeing steamers running in real use. I wonder, do they use recycled cooking oil or petroleum based fuel oil? Using reclaimed cooking oil would be a great green alternative to petroleum based fuel oil. Looking forward to the model cars. Thank you. :-)
A B 17 just flew over our house!! COOL!! But I digress.. Nope, fuel oil. About 8,000 gallons of it. Not sure how much it uses, the turbines used 2 leaders per SECOND. Just the fuel line was like a fire hose!! So bio is just not possible I think.However, don't know for sure.
I didn't smell anything like french fries cooking.... Oh! Wait! I did! ... Or, maybe that was the neat restaurant at Ogden Union Depot! It was their famous Fish and Chips!! At that point, I fell off the diet wagon, and raaan over there for sustenance!! Dale wasn't tooo far behind me either!! :P"
at 9:42, that shot of 844 combined with that music made me think that I was watching an America by Rail video for a second.
Love that shot!! Sort of fond of Richard's music too!!!! (Richard Band) Called Americana.
I loved seeing the 844 in all it's glory!! Anyone with any type of photography equipment... From the cheapest cell phone, to a Arri Alexa, would have captured a masterpiece with the 844! Amazing! Thanks for watching! :D
Another great video of fantastic screwing around! It was fun to spot you and talk a little bit at the Ogden Union Station. Thanks for making rail fanning in Utah even more educational and fun. :) Adam Cowie, Payson.
I'm glad the expertise still exists to get these locomotives back in service! A history and geography lesson! Thanks! :) Jack
Hey, Jack!! This was quite an experience!! Now... Off to Cheyenne Wyoming! Dale is going to introduce me to the Big Boy! He is under renovation... but will soon be making his debut! Thanks for watching!! :D
Speaking of the UP Steam Program rumors are beginning to spread that Steve Lee who is the former president of the UP Steam program is writing a book. That would be totally awesome if those rumors were true.
Sounds great!! The program went far under Steve. Amazing history.
Wow! Great video. I look forward to your new video every week. Thanks!
Thanks! More fun videos to come!!
Just after finishing this video, I was paging through my copy of "laying out for boiler makers" and the section I was reading was on taking measurements from corroded fireboxes to transfer to the new firebox. Keeping steam engines running requires a shop large and good enough to essentially build a locomotive from the frame, cylinder and wheel castings. Most class 1 railroads had shops that could do exactly that.
Just amazing!! :D
Did you chase the link on building the fireboxes? Magic!!
110 MPH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I had no idea the 844 could "cruise" at that speed, that is impressive!!!!!!! One thing I still remember when I was young there was a railman festival in STL back in 1991 and the 844 and FRISCO 1522 double headed for downtown STL to the STL transportation museum where the 1522 now resides. I still miss that locomotive so much. Over all super cool video gang!!!!!!!
Amazing... Right?? Really can't stay caught up with the train, on a 2-lane highway at 110 mph... Won't even try! "There it gooooooooes!!!" The 844 is truly a masterpiece! :D
Love to see the 1522. Road Trip!!!
Toy Man Television down side is she has been retired since 2001. If you would like I send send you photographs of her when she made her final run from Saint Louis to Rolla MO. Is it okay if I send them via Facebook email?
And yes Karyn Angell the 844 is a masterpiece, or better a real work of art made with slide rules, pencil, paper and American pride!!!!!!!!
Sure, dale angell on FB. Or Toy Man Television on FB, but that page is weird, dale Angell better!!
Your matching t-shirts are #relationshipgoals for me and my fiance :) One day...
Austin Wolff Our first matching Tshirts were our engagement T shirts.. It was cool to see everyone's reaction! So, we started buying matching souvenir Shirts everywhere we went!
Another great episode guys! Love that part of the country - - lived in Pocatello at one time in the 80's and have fond memories.
Looking forward to you trip to Cheyenne!
We are too!!
Pocatello is a neat little city... I lived there for a short time, and have family there. Can't wait for Cheyenne !! :D
Toy Man, what great fun!! "Union Pacific 844 and the Union Pacific Steam Program." Awesome! Thank you, guys! Cheers! :-)
Love programs that promote the preservation of these cool artifacts from our past... They will be available to future generations! There were so many little kids there.. Watching the train... seeing the steam.. hearing the whistle.. It was fun to see the excitement in their eyes!
9:40 McCammon Junction Idaho this is where the Utah Northern splits off from the OSL the OSL heads east to Grangerville Wyoming and the Utah Northern heads south to Perry where the Utah Northern meets up with the Southern Pacific and the OSL heads east meet up with the Union Pacific.
This was my first time down that way. Beautiful!! Planning a drive down the Utah Northern.
+ toy man telivision yeah it is im excited for 4014
I watched another RUclips video on the NYC. It was some old film footage where they talked about conditioning the water for the same reason back in the day when they only ran steam. I think it was on the Hudson class.
I have seen what mineral deposits will do to regular household plumbing.. Can't imagine the damage that can be done to the boiler on a locomotive!
COOL!!!!!
Just wanted to thank you for all the great videos! Hope to see you folks here in Cheyenne in 2019 for 2014's unveiling.
Its going to be an amazing year!
such a beautiful and elegant piece of steam technology, can't wait to see the big boy running.
Me too. Just seeing her being towed, WOW!!!!!
I have been a fan of #844 ever since I saw her go past my childhood home on the east bound track in Auburn Ca. She was leaving the grand opening of the railroad museum in Sacramento in ‘80 or ‘81. Great video! Thanks for making it.
Great segment! Brings back my days of chasing steam on the West Coast. My favorite was chasing the 4449 . Thank you!
Fast trains are HARD to chase. But worth it.
thanks again for another fun filled video...
Some fun here, chasing the 844! What an experience! Thanks for watching!! :D
Morning!! This was some fun trip!!
Union Pacific Challenger 4-6-6-4 # 3985 has been retired again, for a second time. This is according to Ed Dickens, Manager of UP Steam and Heritage Operations, in a Facebook posting on the official UP Steam Club Facebook page, sponsored by the Union Pacific Railroad. The 3985 needs millions of dollars of urgent repairs to be able to run again. 3985 is currently in storage at the UP steam shop. UP says that 3985 will be placed on permanent display until they decide otherwise. It could be a very long time (maybe forever) until UP 3985 sees action again. More than likely 3985 will go back into obscurity and will sadly be forgotten.
Well... never forgotten. When 3985 was pulled for its required service it was found it needed a lot of work. The big debate was over the boiler shell itself. There had been leaking between two sections. Some said no big deal it’s been leaking for decades. Others (Ed) said no, really big deal. Moreover they cut several holes in the firebox and found the metal too thin. Confirming what they had seen it testing. All of this is repairable. But really expensive. So the question was asked, wouldn’t it be cheeper to start over with a different locomotive? As it happens yes. And nothing says Union Pacific more that a big boy. So will 3985 ever run again? Probably not but never say never. They said 4014 would never run again. But odds are 3985 will be cosmically restored and placed in a museum. Just like 4014 was years ago. But not right away. Ed has a lot of other stuff on his plate.
@@ToyManTelevision Well, thank you for the insight sir. This is really good information to have.
I thought the music at 9:41 was UP 844's whistle for a minute. I thought they were playing a song on the whistle
wait
Ive never heard shave and a haircut on a whistle
shoot
This is a great video, I think one of the best you have made.
Boy was it FUN. And now onto Cheyenne
Greetings again from Australia. Another one of your excellent and informative screwing around videos that are a delight to watch every week. I hope you get the latest info and full run-down on your next visit to the Cheyenne workshop. Should be an amazing trip. It's fantastic to see so many restored steam locomotives worldwide with spectacular backdrop sceneries etc and with so many various people making the effort to record on video with excellent editing skills for us to enjoy on RUclips. Thanks again for posting. Your channel is a delight!
Thanks!! Really looking forward to the trip to Cheyenne. Have not been in the shops for 25 years, so this will be great!! AND there's a Big Boy there now!! All apart, but there!!
I can't wait for the Cheyenne trip, and to see the Big Boy in person.. See how the renovation is coming along! Lots to see and do! Thanks for watching and commenting! :D
You guys are fun to watch!
Southern Railway Systems family member.
Cool, don't know much about Southern Railway.
Beautifully shot and edited... as always! I missed getting to Pocatello to see 844 (I live about 40 minutes north), so glad you got some great shots of it! I love your work here on the channel! You've inspired us to make a trip to Evanston for the train show in August to see the Roundhouse and turntable! Thank you for all of your hard work!
So glad we made the trip! I haven't made a visit to Pocatello in years! When Dale mentioned the fact that the 844 would be passing through Pocatello... I said, "WE're Going!!!" ... And that was that! :D
I've seen it come through the Tri-Cities a few times. It's beautiful!
Nice to have it back.
Dang the 844 never retired that's amazing
Yaboi Sugarnips I have a photo of my brother in law at the helm of this very Locomotive when it was still just UP8444
Very nice! Love the videography and sound, as well as seeing the land as well. Keep on with the great work!
Thanks!!! We love doing this stuff. Getting out there, meeting people, screwing around. Seeing amazing things like this loco!!!
Thanks for your viewership and kind comments! :D
Another super video. Thank you. Love the Steam History and restoration taking place.
The trip to Cheyenne should be amazing!!
I absolutely love steam locomotives! The history........... I learn a lot just helping Dale make these videos! Thanks for watching!! :D
What a beautiful locomotive. I just wish she
still had the gray paint scheme. Great video as always!
Love her both ways. BUT I see your point. Dang it was beautiful..
Chased 844 when it came to Arizona during the buildup to 2012 Centennial in the fall of 2011. Two days of once in a lifetime enjoyments.
Your video surpassed all the hours of I spent with a small point and shoot camera.
Hard to beleive that 6 years have flown by since that encounter. Lots of fond memories. Thanks U - 2!
We love chasing old steam locos. And this one is very fun! Gee, and FAST!
Well done, Some beautiful shots of 844 there. Excited to see footage from your Cheyenne visit! Also loved that small snip of video showing the X-26 (GTEL), Really wish I could see them run! Shame.
It is a great deal of fun to see these great trains in person... But, it is also fun to make these videos... So that those who can't make the trip to see them in person, can still see the train. Still... I hope that you can see one of these trains in person... :D
You two should really make a trip to the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer, NC. If you love old trains and road vehicles you would really enjoy it. After N&W 611 does her excursions for the year she usually spends her summers there running around the museum pulling the museum train. I try to go at least twice a year.
It really sounds like a plan! I have always wanted to visit NC.. and this would be a reason to make the journey! thanks for the info!! And thanks for watching!! :D
Been on their web site Thanks for the heads up. Didn't know they were rebuilding the TEXAS!!!!! Holly crap!!! The General and Texas turned me onto 4-4-0 locomotives, the great history, the Keaton film. BOY WOULD I LOVE TO SEE THAT. All these trips cost a lot. But this needs to at the very least be on our bucket list!!!!
The Texas went back to Atlanta last Wednesday I think. It's no longer at the museum. Sorry.
Hum, need to hunt it down. Still, need to get out that way at some point.
I hitched a ride from Carrol Iowa to Creston, Iowa about 5 years ago
I was looking for the two of you in Ogden when I was there with my grandsons to see UP 844.
Hi. We were there as it arrived, stayed for about two hours. Had lunch in the Depot. Fun day!!
Awww.. It would have been nice to meet... Next time... We are usually around! :D
In 1982 the 844 (8444) took me on a trip from Salt Lake to Provo and back over the old UP line through Draper. I paid a little extra to get a seat in the dome car. 844 had a hard time getting turned around on the sharp wye at Provo.
Wow!!! Coooooool!!! :D
The UP 844 is one of my favorite steamers. But I also have other favorites too, but the history of this one, plus that it's still in operation is what makes it stand out from others.
I just finished putting together a piece on Rivarossi model of that locomotive. Show turned out really good. But that Rivarossi model is really something
Thanks so much!! I was one of the parents there introducing my 3 year old to a working steam engine! I sure wanted to see it running and now I have!! We can't wait to see the roundhouse!!
K Higashi That is so cool!! We have our granddaughter who will soon be 3... She just loves trains! We take her along when we can!
Dale and Karyn, I believe that this stands out quite possibly as the best video ever on your RUclips channel! Its incredible, sweeping footage, its sensitive and sometimes majestic musical accompaniment, and its compelling, insightful narration engulfs the viewer in this amazing story about Union Pacific's #844 and Heritage Fleet.
Your video moved me so much that I felt motivated to share it with a RUclips buddy of mine and fellow model railroader named Roy. He's an American expatriate who lives in Panama and has built the most remarkable, realistically sceniced N scale layout that I've ever seen of Union Pacific's modern Evanston and Pocatello subdivisions.
Roy's layout highlights an astounding feat when you realize that there's no hobby shop or model railroading supplier neither down the street from him nor in his entire country. He's created the entire layout from mail order.
I encouraged Roy to get inspired from your Union Pacific 844 video and acquire his own Heritage Fleet to operate on his layout.
To learn more about Roy's "N-Scale Union Pacific Evanston Subdivision," you can follow this link to a recent video from his RUclips channel: ruclips.net/video/pT23n20rcyc/видео.html
Once again, Dale and Karyn, thank you for bringing us such amazing videos on RUclips. I can't wait to see your next release!
-from Tom Pilling
Looks like fun. Karyn is a big fan of N scale. I have a large layout in the 70's still have a few pieces from that layout. But went back to HO. Hon3.
I was totally amazed at the beauty and size of this locomotive. The restoration and rebuild are amazing... Just like it rolled off the show-room-floor...... If there was a show-room-floor for locomotives... :D
I definitely have the beard and the belly to be Santa Claus tried it last Christmas the little guy I knew exactly who I I was I've had a Christmas Tree Top in my living room since 2004 all decked out with Christmas tree ornaments train stuff with a ho running around the babes. this is a joke city of Detroit asked me to be Santa Claus again last year I told him I couldn't not after what happened the year before YG what happened the year before you ask every time I went hohoho ho ho ho all them women tried to jump me please forgive me and my Detroit humor this year I am taking my family on the Polar Express in Owosso Michigan engine number 1225 took my daughter a couple years ago but the engine was being rebuilt so we had to take the diesel still had a fun time brother thank you again for your Adventures
FUNNY!! Ah, Detroit!!! So many cities that have problems, but I sure do love me them old cities. When I see the potential for up state NY, or parts of Chicago, and Detroit. Old factories!! Great old homes. If the economy were strong there, those would be shopping malls and beautiful homes. Have you seen the show on Salt Lake Trolleys? Trolley Square was a mess, but now it's amazing. Gee, all it takes is money.
ROFLMHO!!!! X"D
i have a question why don't they use stainless steel tubeing for the fire box as it is not corrsive? it could be used for all of the fire box.
Not sure, but I know Stainless has some good and bad qualities. Be fun to find out.
844 has had a few rebuilds and a few shake down runs without cars the last one it had was in 2004 or 5 when they did some work after a farewell trip for a route of the rio grande track in 1999 with the E units then they took it out of service for a rebuild and was done in 2004 or 5 and 844 was on one of my favorite shows called extreme trains in 2008 and on the show 844 was heading to Denver with the DD40X
I should look for that show that sounds really good! I actually love to see the E units out there. The steam engine skid all of the attention and I get it I love them, but man do I love to see those E units pulling a passenger train
Same but I can’t see them cause I live in New Jersey so I mostly railfan in my area or when we go somewhere but since I’m going to Niagara fall tomorrow I’ll maybe railfan over there
once again great job I'm going to have to refer to you guys as mr. and mrs. adventure my three-year-old son really enjoys watching your stuff also once again thank you for your weekly Adventures
Kevin Romas LOL! Once in a while, we have our granddaughter along! She is soon 3... and thinks it's pretty cool to have Toy Man for grandpa too! Santa 365 days a year!! 😊
Three year olds have some things figured out!! Trains are universal with kids. Like Teddy Bears. Just something wonderful about these machines. So many kids grew up with our old videos! Ghost Trains of the Old West and stuff. DANG. I feel like Santa! Hum.. Sort of look like him too.....
thanks for the info Toyman so that's why they put it extra pipe on the tool car artlockman. there's also a pipe that connects that to The General Car Howard fog behind it. the water has to be pumped into the treatment plant in the tool car and then has to be pumped into the boiler in the generator car to remove the impurities before it's pumped into the return pipe to be put into the water tender. as you may know there are also rebuilding the Joe Jordan water tender the Joe Jordan water tender was the leading cause of all the corrosion that was inside each of the locomotives. the problem with the water now a days is it has CFCs, calcium, limescale, rust, heavy metal, and chlorine in it is that stuff gets into the boiler pipes they rust and it has happened 4 times with each locomotive twice with 844. Ed wants to make sure that 844 lives to her next birthday and the last thing we want is a pile of gunk inside the boiler. if gunk gets inside the boiler it will rust the pipes and the engine will explode this is why the water has to be treated before it has to go into the boiler.
WOW!!! THANKS!! Didn't know the details. WOW. Love to get video of the treatment equipment. (sort of a geek that way) God is in the details. I watch Ed's informative videos on the web site, often several times as I sort of don't always get it, AND just seeing a rebuilt valve, for me, is wonderful. Really looking forward to our trip up there in 2 weeks for the depot days. Better that Disneyland. And I love Disneyland...
Planning a show on "how steam locomotives work" And as I say, God is in the details. I love the UP. Always have. As a kid the winged shield on the nose of an F unit was just plain exciting! That the UP spends this kind of money on this program is the most amazing thing any corporation has ever done as a way of being "good neighbors".
That shot of 844 coming round the bend, white steam bellowing from the stack, and the steam coming out around the cylinders(I am assuming the cocks were open partly) at 9:40 in the video, where you caught up with it on its way down to Ogden, was surreal! Beautiful shot! Among so many of them! Another wonderful video. Annnd, great selection and mixing on the music and catching the sounds of the engine.
The 844 proved to be very photogenic.. The weather, although cold and rainy, proved to be just perfect for steam.. The clouds did part, just enough to really give us some great light for video and picture taking. What a great experience!! :D
What a great shot. When we got there we set up on the other side of the track, but Karyn said that if the sun came out we would be on the shadow side, and just as the train came, so did the sun.
I remember when I got a Ho scale model of a Union Pacific Steam locomotive#844
For Christmas it’s still napping in the box preparing for it’s first excursion on my ho scale
Union Pacific model railroad branch
Because my ho scale southern pacific model railroad is too busy hauling DR&GW coal trains
With my ho scale southern pacific AC4400Cw locomotive and my southern pacific C44-9W locomotive
it's quite funny how you have diesels that are presvered from 1954 when where I live we still have old diesels from 1951 still running every day!
Very Cool!! I wouldn't mind seeing that!!
There was a time when Steam was the same way. 1968 they were still being used to haul stuff. And they were in museums too.
If it is the water that is doing the damage...just think what it is doing to us. Like always, your videos are so cool to watch. Lava hot springs is great to spend the night. We took the plug in the minerals water. You guys have alway get to have some great time together and it shows in your videos. Thanks for sharing them with all of us.
Love the shot at 13:10 with all the steam coming towards the camera.
That was the coolest steam I have ever stood in!!! My hair wilted down into my eyes, and steamed up my glasses..... And I didn't even care!!!!
Northern Idaho??? Pocatello is in Eastern Idaho. Of course, it comes to my neck of the woods and I had to go to Colorado through Cheyenne for a funeral. Sadly I missed seeing her due to our timing. Thanks for the video
Carl Sorensen Pocatello is in South-Eastern Idaho to be exact... I lived there for a short time... and spent from 1977 to 1980 bouncing back and forth from there to my other home in South Central Utah. Northern Idaho was in reference to the train heading north toward Nampa Idaho. It was a great trip...as I had not been to Pocatello, or Lava Hot Springs in years. Dale had never been to Lava Hot Springs.. so this was double fun for him! Thanks for watching!
We wondered about meeting the loco north, but Pocatello seemed fine. Made for a great trip!!
I thought 3985 was a big boy a first but it seems smaller does it not ?
Just a bit. 1 Million pounds, Big Boy is 1.25 million. About 20 feet longer. But you need to look twice to see the difference
My cousins in Boise visited the #844 the entire weekend it was there. These are not, "Train People". Still made a huge impact on them all. Thank you for the background on the rebuild. Didn't know about the water. Carry on with this massive screwing around. Greg and Jeanne
Meeting a steam locomotive like the 844 will convert people... I never saw so many wide-open eyes! Beautiful!! :D
HELLO!!!! What a great loco. I took a friend to see 3985 years ago. He had NO INTERESt in it, but I told him we would get great beer in Wyoming, so he went. First time the loco came past at 70 MPH the ground shook, whistle ripped the air. Steam and fire!! He turned to me, eyes like dinner plates. Not one more word about the beer run.
I "know" that friend! ;)
From what I recall Ed Dickens stating on at least one of the reasons they had so many rail cars, including flat cars for moving the 4014 back to the steam shop was for the braking they needed for the route. Including what they would need for keeping the train in place, when it was at a standstill at one of their stops along the way. When they did the relocating of the 4014, so I would believe, that is the same thinking with the shake down runs of the 844! And it does look fantastic, the engine and tinders are inline with one another, and that lean as you were speaking of and I recall from seeing it in 2010 has been fixed extremely perfectly!
It sure is great to see her back under steam again! You mentioned Thomas the Tank Engine, I remember this locomotive from the opening scene of the ORIGINAL Thomas the tank engine show "Shining Time Station." I would love to get the chance to see 844, at some point, under steam.
My oldest daughter loved Shining Time Station! I grew up loving trains... mostly the old-time Choo-Choo's... But any train. I was fascinated with the way they followed the track, and the cars obediently followed the locomotive... The way the train would travel alongside the highway, and then veer off in a completely different direction, as though it had a mind all of it's own. The smoke seemed to wave Good-bye. Trains at a stand-still just seem alive.. like they are breathing... waiting.. Just always cool!
Ringo Star!! What a great show! Never know it would become a traveling show like Disney on Ice though. Glad to see kids getting into trains! Wish Thomas would quit potobombing us though...
Thanks guys for showing us the video! I enjoyed watching it !
Now off the Cheyenne!
And.. Thank You for watching and commenting!! :D
my mom was right next to 8444 in Omaha NE when mom was a kid and 3985 is my favroite train
when you are at up steam shop can you talk to them about up 814 if they can paint her and/or rebuild her.
plz tracey for iowa
Love to see it steam again
ps that was fast
HI!! Editing next weeks show, drinking coffee and avoiding yard work..
lol
fun show. Overwhelimg though.. Scratch built brass automobiles. BUT I also need a 30 minute version for their You Tube. SO, 50 minutes of show. GAD..... Think the lawn may get mowed after all. NA, once more into the breach!!!
+toy man television I'm hyped for it
almost ready to head out...
How about that, playing Enya to a steam engine! I bet no one thought of that one. It's perfect! Now you're starting to amaze me! -- Keep it up! Cheers! Greg
cool video. love all of them. can't wait to see your Moab car show video. I'm chaddy cat daddy it was nice to meet you.
HI. We missed this years Moab, dang, but just too much going on. We were planning to have the Blue Mustang there, but it's not quite ready!
We were at the Moab car show a year ago.. and did a show on that! What a car show that was! The nightly cruise was a blast!! Definitely going back!! :D
My grandfather was Thomas A Wolverton fireman /engineer for the UP from the depression Era to the 50s. He loved the steam engines.
Enjoyed the video - nice music choices! Someday it would be neat to have a music title list...
I buy music from Smart Sound. Super music, and editing software. SUPER STUFF!! Check it out. www.smartsound.com/
I love the music choices.... Some of the music choices just seem to go with the people we have videoed... So when I hear the piece.. I think of that person. Neat way to remember some of the cool people we have met! :D
As always good video
Thanks! More to come! :D
Well told. A lot of excellent RR history. Cool Look forward to your trip to Cheyenne Steam Shop, maybe you could get an interview with Ed Dickens.
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Hope so. Tried to speak with him on the trip, but he is busy!!!
I remember when I was little the E9 units were in my home town and my dad had the privilege to work on them. He even let me inside the cabin to blow the horn
Well unfortunately UP 3985 will probably never see excusion service again as Union Pacific officially retired it for excusion service in early 2020 after UP Big Boy 4014 restoration was completed which I believe UP 4014 uses UP 3985's oil tender so that is another reason why UP 3985 will probably see service again.
The big problem is it costs about 3 million to rebuild a big locomotive. More for 3985 as it has some larger boiler issues. When evaluating 3985 UP realized it would be a lot cheeper to rebuild one of three Big Boys that may be available. 4014 was perhaps the best candidate. So by restoring 4014 instead of 3985 they saved money while getting a lot more attention doing it. Will they ever rebuild 3985? Never say never but not anytime soon.
I got to ride on it from pocatello to minidoka Idaho and in the challenger dome car and all I can say is WOOOOOW
toy man, how long have you been married to your partner beside you, And how do you pick the music for your episodes?
We met here on the channel! I did the rat fink reunion and so did she on her channel. The videos were linked, and so were we!! Almost 2 years ago. Aug 1. I buy the music from Smart Sound. Had been using it for years before starting the channel when I was teaching film in Santa Barbara. So I have a lot, and keep buying more as they have thousands of pieces. Just bought about 3 hours of new cues too. Just love their music and editing software for making it "just right" for the video. I can even remix and change the length, total control. So it always seems to work well.
Well I am a suscriber, and have been for about a year, I'm a fan of Southern Pacific, I model Espee Passenger Trains. I model the mid-50s to the late 60s, One of my favorite things is to take HO scale heavyweight Observation Cars and turn them into business cars or private varnish cars,
I'm also a sci-fi, anime, ww2 armor, and airplanes fan and model builder too.
Cool!! Love the SP. So many headlights!! I have like 6 in HO. Need to dig them out.
It was pretty cool how Dale and I met... Thanks to Rat Fink, and RUclips! :D
Great video Dale!! I wonder if UP has plans that if 4014 is a success, to run all three steam engines in a train. Keeping pace with 844 at 80 MPH is a challenge. In the 70's, my Dad had a 72 Caddy. That car could easily keep pace with her. There are a few home movies my Mom shot out the window that 844 looks like it's just sitting there. A testimonial on how that Caddy LOVED to lay her ears back and fly!!
Well not all three. Not for years. 3985 is really bad. Needs more work than the Big Boy. And UP will not run it again unless it’s perfect. Like the 844 is now as well as 4014. Which, as of now, is for all intents a locomotive again. All new. Still much to do but it’s all in one piece. All together. Working on electrical wiring. Anyway ahead of schedule! Will be in Utah with 844 in May. Perhaps they will restore 3985 now. But not soon if they do.
Hi there, that was an excellent and informative video as always. I can, however, confirm that 844 is not the only steam locomotive never to have been withdrawn and still operating on its original railway (and for its original company). I volunteer on the Talyllyn Railway in Wales and we still have No. 2 "Dolgoch" in regular passenger service 151 years since she was built in 1866, as is all the original passenger stock from the era! Our No. 1 "Talyllyn" of 1864 would also be a contender but, alas, she was withdrawn in the 1940s although she was returned to service in the 1960s.
I need to find out more about the railways in Britain. And come look. So many great railways and steam locomotives. We both love the paint colors. (colours) A loco that goes back to 1864!! Amazing. Hard to find one that survives, yet alone still in service. There were several from that era (1870's) in Nevada when I was a child, loved them all. The Virginia and Truckee kept all of their locos in good repair, only because they had more money than they knew what to do with, and never scrapped anything. For the most part. But as with all things, the mines played out, railroad closed and the locos sold off. Most are in museums. In the states, only the UP kept operating steam after the 70's. D and RGW had steam in normal service in 1968. Not for historic reasons, just to do the job.
+ toy man television are you going to the shops ? Also make sure to find ed dickens ! The senior manager of the program
YES!! On FRIDAY!!!!!!!! Love to have a sit down with ED!! He's great.
why do people think 844 overhaul is a restoration in July 2016?
Just semantics I guess. Major shopping. Normal servicing, but also a bit of back dating. And total rebuilding of valves and so on. But the word restore implies that something is dead or dying. 844 was not either. Just in need of a major overhaul. Either way, glad they did!!
Holy Cow!! Twenty minutes of pure fun. The hotel looked like a lot of fun also. My wife and I liked to visit historical sites, and stay in quaint hotels. We visited Williamsburg several times, and always stayed in the period homes on the main street. You and Karyn would love it. I too would really like to see UP 844. I missed it when it came through my area on the way to Memphis. Looking forward to all your posts.
Willamsburg is on out list. Long and ponderous list...
so I have a question. why does the 844 have those side panels need the front half of the boiler, does is it make air flow thru there and cool down the outside.thanks
Those have many names. My favorite is Elephant Ears. AKA Smoke lifters. Most of these locos were retro fitted with these. They attempt to lift the smoke away from the cab to keep the cab a bit more clear of smoke. Don't work all that well. SP solved the problem when they turned the loco around putting the cab at the front.
Because I'm an idiot I totally forgot about this visit, I live approx 10 mins from Union Station. Great to see the video, glad you had a good time.
DANG! We should have laid on the horn while passing through!!!
Erosion in the firebox? Is that a by product of the chemical changes when fire burns making acid? I have the same problem with the outdoor grill the propane is eating the metal out to where the bottom rusts out prematurely. I hope that made sense, but I'm sure that they have figured more angles than I could ever dream of.
IT erodes from the outside in.. The boiling water attacks the steel. They now treat the water to help with this. The biggest problem is that these engines spend most of their time cold and empty. better to keep them hot and full! But, as these are not "working" locomotives the best that can be done is cool and drain. But then the inside rusts....
I think it's the only running steam locomotive of the Union Pacific Railroad!
I think so! 618 is down, almost back. perhaps this year? 119 is a reproduction. Drawing a blank on what runs..
Amazing! I would assume the others are under renovation.... or not... Wow! I'll bet you are right!!!
UP 618? What is that?
It's on the Heber creeper. X OSL. UP logos. But being rebuilt right now.
Cool! I don't think UP 618 was owned by the Union Pacific, anymore. I know Big Boy and Challenger will return to the rails, soon.
+ toy man telivision cool
great loco!!
Do you think the challenger will be done after the bigboy
Love your videos - super informative + not a stupid voice or 'fake squeal' anywhere!
Well we snuck 2.3 sequels and a chortle and 2 guffaws but we are good. No one noticed. Yet.
Love this channel.Love steam trains. Great video thanks.
Thomas A Wolverton lived in Pocatello, looking for some history on him
Good luck. There’s a great model railroad club there. They may know?
Note that there's three passager cars
good choice stopping over in Lava this is one of the 8 resorts on the OSL. there is Hot Lake over in La Grande, Crystal Hot Springs in Honeyville, Banberry and Miracle outside of Bliss, and of course Soda Springs, Suphur Springs over by Kemmerer, and Warm Springs in Boise. all of these were stops on the Oregon Trail except for Crystal Hot Springs.
Planning a trip to Glenwood on the Zephyr soon. Never have stopped there, been through many times
make sure to pay a visit to the local graveyard that is where Doc Holliday is buried
WOW!! Will do. I moved to Tahoe like 20 years ago. Kept running into Mark Twain. Shopped for a house. First one was a place where Twain lived for a time. My favorite place to chill at the lake turned out to be Twains camp site there. Just over and over. Twain. Then was moving to up state NY. Didn't move. Long story. But went to see graves of old film stars that I have always admired. And there was Twain's grave. And his kids. That ended the Twain stuff. Weird.
It's up and running again 3985 it came to Texas but I missed it mile
3985 should be running again but not until about 2022. First they need to get the big boy going. And it will take 3 years to rebuild 3985. Needs a new firebox and about 1000 stays. In worse shape than the big boy. But then all 3 not just running but restored.
3 other FEF northern Locomotives ordered by Union Pacific were saved from the scrap yard 2 on display the third being stored. Up 814 which is an FEF-1 is on display at a park in Council Bluffs, Iowa, 833 an FEF-2 is on display at Ogden Union Station Museum in Utah and 838 which is the spare parts engine for UP 844 are both at the UP roundhouse in Cheyenne, Wyoming.
We have not seen 814. As yet......
Toy Man Television But I love your show all the info you give is interesting. Also allow me to introduce myself I’m Patrick video editor and longtime rail fan at your service. 😊
Hi!! We do have fun shooting and stuff. get a kick out of making these "little" videos. 4 years ago I figured to upload about 4 minutes of show per week. Now uploading like 30-40 minutes!!!! Gezzezzezz!! Oddly I can get that done. Would not have thought it possible. BAck in the 80's I was making a 22 minute show for local TV and somehow managed to get that done in spite of a full time job AND editing tape-to-tape
Culinary? Potable (not portable (drinkable)). Stainless steels are sensitive to chloride stress cracking. Now you are going force me to get my books out to see what I can find out. You guys looking good tooling around in a convertible.
Hi. Yea the poor car went toes up. Overheating. Tried everything. Still overheated. Gunk in the block. So we traded it for the Honda.
@@ToyManTelevision So sad!
@@ToyManTelevision And yes I had someone confuse potable and portable….