its such a shame that this cannot be learned in high school here in ireland. Ive worked with mill machines in the past and the job is so interesting! The satisfaction of getting your programming correct is cool!
I use to do this by hand on a deckel or duplicator. Now they can do much more on cnc especially once they get the other axis going. So much more accurate.
the extra axis is where the revolving takes place. either by the head of the machine moving or the work piece rotating, thats the extra axis. think of your wrist you can move your hand side to side up and down but you can also rotate. hope this helps
most CNC mills use the same, or very similar, functions to do the work required. These are known as G codes, and they tell the machine exactly what to do, such as arcs and other toolpaths, tool changes, etc. But to answer your question, no two programs are alike, a new one is required for each part you're making. Solid modeling or CADCAM programs like solidworks can export machine code, which typically transfers very well, although sometimes adjustments need to be made.
for simple models like just cutting a square or circular shape out of a block you may write codes easily but for milling that are difficult or the one in this video, you have to have a cad software like solid works or proE blah blah, so you can just model the part, and the software will generate codes for you. hope this helps!
@Srfingfreak when maching aluminium, you doesn't need an oil lubricant or e-bua-xi water(sorry i don't know what it's name in english), because the lubricant will cool down the aluminium so fast, and stick to the cutting edge of the tools
$180,000 you think? I am a manufacturers rep for several machine tool builders and I can assure you that the entry level 5-axis machines capable of this kind of quality and speed starts around 1 million US dollars and goes up from there. Just the basic tooling package would start around $100k to $250k. I sold one last year that was large enough to machine something as big as a small car for $2.3m and another $500k is perishable tooling! Pretty crazy, huh?
thats pretty sweet.... i was lucky enough to see full scale audi being milled at IMTS chicago on a big ass gantry mill....run time.... 37 hours... cool vid tho!
@NewTaco522 lol 4000 letters and numbers. This was a huge program, probably DNC or similar. 4000 pages maybe....... for the first tool. CAM is nice for things like this. Also to the uploader, very nice job.
up to like 3:31 I thought you were remaking the toyota MR2 from the 90's lol, I was like AWESOME!..... and then I saw it was changing and then its still awesome! lol
@NSResponder You need a 3D model of the P-38, then with Cad software, it may needs correction/adjustment. Then programming process on CAM software, to prepare the model for machining. (toolpaths, ...) Then, just machining.
So, when something like this is programmed, the user has to come up with an equation for the direction the tool must go, and then also account for the shape of the bit etc?
Hi Paulro, The complete machining time took around 6-7 hours, including roughing, semi-finishing and finishing. (the finishing process is not in the video)
@jadenjak It's a Mikron HSM-600. (stated it's a -400 before, but It is a 600) What do you mean by "making process called" ? Only 1 half finished on this part, to show the simple roughing result and the finishing result/surface.
the kind of 5 axis where the milling head can reach everywhere (but still need a rotating platform for undercuts), is extremely expensive. it can easily cost 0.5 million dollars and more with options, not including periodical service program. it is cheaper & faster to prototype a concept with stereolithography, thermojet technology, etc.
@smacman68 Thank you for the information. It seems like you already understand the product quite well. In your understanding do you think the quality of the product is better for Japanese manufacturers or some Chinese brands are still competitive? Thanks.
@mdadnan Fabricating parts for cars, planes, trains, guitars, toasters, fire arms, you name it. If it has to be precision and lots of them, use CNC's. Plus, if you need to start making something different, just reprogram and change tools.
Ahh!... I usually don`t reply to silly comments, but yours made me do so. Now since you are so much into conventional vmc , you won`t understand why use a cnc!! Since you can machine that with better quality on a vertical mill with your hands, I would like to know when will your hands be commercialized so that we can scrap our cnc machines for better hands!!
Why is it taking such light rough cuts overtop of the hood where so much material needs removed? Kind of inefficient for the roughing process, would've probably been better served with an inserted cutter hogging-out the bulk of it and then coming in with a roughing EM and then finally a finish EM. Pretty cool though, nonetheless.
so how many numbers and letters did u have to enter i learned how to do this stuff last semester but its really hard to do and alot to do with numbers. also how long did it take u to enter it all correctly
amigo recien empizo a ver estoy y necesito saber que programa se utiliza para pasar del diseño 3d al codigo g para que el control numerico lo tome gracias
Eu conheço a maquina CNC de 5 eixos desde 1993,uma ferramentaria na epoca chamada Usimolde e ultima firma que trabalhei foi Cosmolde tbm tinha maquina CNC de 3 eixos,a empresa que não tiver essas maquinas,não poderá ganhar concorrencia de fazer os moldes complexas e tempo menor, tbm de fazer usinagem complexas de eletros em gabinetes,e a tecnilogia veio p/ficar,o futuro, quase todas as maquinas em CNC,até em brveve.
They (worknc) can only look (finish) as smooth as the surface image will allow, which has a tendency to show up about the time finish is applied. The best finish results comes from true digital surface that a system like Tebis uses.
I don't understand what the five axes are. I though there was only three, the x,y, and z, one for each direction, up and down, side to side, and in and out. Please could someone explain?
The vast majority would like it to be shorter even if they don't think it or say it. You can listen to reason or you can be a fool. The likes don't mean that everything was perfect.
Good work, we are in italy and in this time of less work we make experience with 5 axis . you can give me some file for experience? parasolid , step , iges or other. best regard mauro
its such a shame that this cannot be learned in high school here in ireland. Ive worked with mill machines in the past and the job is so interesting! The satisfaction of getting your programming correct is cool!
I use to do this by hand on a deckel or duplicator. Now they can do much more on cnc especially once they get the other axis going. So much more accurate.
the extra axis is where the revolving takes place. either by the head of the machine moving or the work piece rotating, thats the extra axis. think of your wrist you can move your hand side to side up and down but you can also rotate. hope this helps
Very Cool! Looks like a very impressive Cam System.
high speed milling cutter, they make so great noise, good for my brain.lol nice work.
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most CNC mills use the same, or very similar, functions to do the work required. These are known as G codes, and they tell the machine exactly what to do, such as arcs and other toolpaths, tool changes, etc. But to answer your question, no two programs are alike, a new one is required for each part you're making. Solid modeling or CADCAM programs like solidworks can export machine code, which typically transfers very well, although sometimes adjustments need to be made.
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for simple models like just cutting a square or circular shape out of a block you may write codes easily but for milling that are difficult or the one in this video, you have to have a cad software like solid works or proE blah blah, so you can just model the part, and the software will generate codes for you. hope this helps!
Hello AAlen1987,
you're absolutely right, this is Aluminium AU4G. It's medium/strong resistance aluminium.
@Srfingfreak when maching aluminium, you doesn't need an oil lubricant or e-bua-xi water(sorry i don't know what it's name in english), because the lubricant will cool down the aluminium so fast, and stick to the cutting edge of the tools
$180,000 you think? I am a manufacturers rep for several machine tool builders and I can assure you that the entry level 5-axis machines capable of this kind of quality and speed starts around 1 million US dollars and goes up from there. Just the basic tooling package would start around $100k to $250k. I sold one last year that was large enough to machine something as big as a small car for $2.3m and another $500k is perishable tooling! Pretty crazy, huh?
absolutely incredible.
How does one begin to get into 4&5 axis milling?
@Chil3kwa There is the normal XYZ axis and the one that allows the work piece to spin and the one that allowed to to rotate to the 90 deg.
wow great compliment for this work how long did it take you to make the whole car?
thats pretty sweet.... i was lucky enough to see full scale audi being milled at IMTS chicago on a big ass gantry mill....run time.... 37 hours... cool vid tho!
@NewTaco522 lol 4000 letters and numbers. This was a huge program, probably DNC or similar. 4000 pages maybe....... for the first tool. CAM is nice for things like this.
Also to the uploader, very nice job.
@CADCAMexpert Great work dude, that was prob ages to make that code!
Hi,
Yes, we have used Sandvik Tools a few times. We use a full tools library, from a lot of manufacturers, and we always look for Test partnership
up to like 3:31 I thought you were remaking the toyota MR2 from the 90's lol, I was like AWESOME!..... and then I saw it was changing and then its still awesome! lol
@NSResponder You need a 3D model of the P-38, then with Cad software, it may needs correction/adjustment.
Then programming process on CAM software, to prepare the model for machining. (toolpaths, ...)
Then, just machining.
So, when something like this is programmed, the user has to come up with an equation for the direction the tool must go, and then also account for the shape of the bit etc?
Nice bit of kit. What machine and what software did you use to do it?
Very cool milling.
Impressive stuff btw.
from 3:20 - 3:28 it shows the back of the car...is there damage done to it? Looks like a huge gouge where the mill might have collided with it.
it depends on the material.
aluminium is a light material, so very easy to machine.
Stay tuned, another great concept car machining OTW !
Hi Paulro,
The complete machining time took around 6-7 hours, including roughing, semi-finishing and finishing. (the finishing process is not in the video)
@jadenjak It's a Mikron HSM-600. (stated it's a -400 before, but It is a 600)
What do you mean by "making process called" ?
Only 1 half finished on this part, to show the simple roughing result and the finishing result/surface.
thank you for the compliment.
The "cooling" is a air and oil mix.
@skowerr software used is WorkNC CAD/CAM system.
It supports many hardware.
CARBIDE.CA Luv's this video of 5 AXIS MACHINING. Some of our customers fine this method great to demonstrate various body panel designs...
if you can hold it you can machine it basically provinding you can get to it with fine cutters.
you guys should do into the model business, i would love to have a modle of a Austen Martin DB9 in solid steel ^.^
Bravo , awesome work
@CADCAMexpert i think we have that software at school dunno for sure tho
the kind of 5 axis where the milling head can reach everywhere (but still need a rotating platform for undercuts), is extremely expensive.
it can easily cost 0.5 million dollars and more with options, not including periodical service program.
it is cheaper & faster to prototype a concept with stereolithography, thermojet technology, etc.
I sooo want one of these machines!!!
very cool video, but the best part is that there isn't an annoying techno music
You seriously can't dislike this
Nice CNC machining ang programming
How long run the programming?
What machine is used?
@Gxleviisz holy cow is it a good thing to learn for engineering
Well done !
what are you use for cooling ?
by the way nice job.
What size step over did you use for the finishing with what size and type of tool?
@smacman68 Thank you for the information. It seems like you already understand the product quite well. In your understanding do you think the quality of the product is better for Japanese manufacturers or some Chinese brands are still competitive?
Thanks.
Super cool, thanks for sharing!
@Srfingfreak its aluminum, doesn't generate that much heat.
@mdadnan Fabricating parts for cars, planes, trains, guitars, toasters, fire arms, you name it. If it has to be precision and lots of them, use CNC's. Plus, if you need to start making something different, just reprogram and change tools.
I was just wondering what kind of education/training needed and how long would it take to be good at CAD/CAM-CNC for projects like this ?
wondering, i got auto cadd at work, would a cadd draft work with a cnc machine after the design is tranfered and codex changed to cnc settings
Ahh!... I usually don`t reply to silly comments, but yours made me do so.
Now since you are so much into conventional vmc , you won`t understand why use a cnc!!
Since you can machine that with better quality on a vertical mill with your hands, I would like to know when will your hands be commercialized so that we can scrap our cnc machines for better hands!!
is that a magnet that keeps the workpiece in place?
Is it me, or was there some minor collision along the rear windshield?
@TheBurnleymik ur probably right,but just judging by the feed rate and the speed of the tool its probably aluminium.
We work with the big tools makers companies like Seco, Hitachi Tools, Mitsubishi,...
In this situation, we used Seco tools
Nice work,
what do you mean with "the beggining of the cnc code", the early years?
Why is it taking such light rough cuts overtop of the hood where so much material needs removed? Kind of inefficient for the roughing process, would've probably been better served with an inserted cutter hogging-out the bulk of it and then coming in with a roughing EM and then finally a finish EM. Pretty cool though, nonetheless.
PioneerSaturnDougie My thoughts exactly, would be one hell of a long cycle at that rate.
so how many numbers and letters did u have to enter i learned how to do this stuff last semester but its really hard to do and alot to do with numbers. also how long did it take u to enter it all correctly
4th and 5th axes are the rotationa axes - tool rotation axis and the table rotation axis
yeah i have that software on my pc, its pirated but its very usefull... i wrk as a programmer and cnc operator.. we use master cam x for wrk...
amigo recien empizo a ver estoy y necesito saber que programa se utiliza para pasar del diseño 3d al codigo g para que el control numerico lo tome gracias
are you a mechnician? .. have you ever used coolant with indexable inserts?
With a 4- or 5-axis mill. A lot of 4-axis stuff isn't difficult to program. Never dabbled in 5.
is it possible to program this 5 axis project manually? if yes, how long would it take?
I assume a lot of the tool path is generated automatically?
Cycle time is around 10 hours.
6 tools from Seco Tools have been used.
but the excess heat can destroy the tool to right?
very nice videos
Nice
what program do you use?
Ive worked with some more basic CNC machines, and your prices sound about right, they are spendy
Eu conheço a maquina CNC de 5 eixos desde 1993,uma ferramentaria na epoca chamada Usimolde e ultima firma que trabalhei foi Cosmolde tbm tinha maquina CNC de 3 eixos,a empresa que não tiver essas maquinas,não poderá ganhar concorrencia de fazer os moldes complexas e tempo menor, tbm de fazer usinagem complexas de eletros em gabinetes,e a tecnilogia veio p/ficar,o futuro, quase todas as maquinas em CNC,até em brveve.
how many hours did the all machining lasted?
Yes, but can it boil a kettle and make a cup of tea ???
great.
ive never used a milling machine irl, but i think the beggining of the cnc code is a waste of time?
pretty cool thanks for sharing
This was built to replicate the real car in scale. Not built to look like the car itself. This is done for aerodynamic testing.
Just brilliant!
is that a 2 flute carbide turbo mill?
any idea on the cycle time for this?
How many tools?
They (worknc) can only look (finish) as smooth as the surface image will allow,
which has a tendency to show up about the time finish is applied. The best finish results comes from true digital surface that a system like Tebis uses.
I don't understand what the five axes are. I though there was only three, the x,y, and z, one for each direction, up and down, side to side, and in and out. Please could someone explain?
I want that car under my x-mas tree
Machine is a Mikron HSM 400, and we use WorkNC software.
The vast majority would like it to be shorter even if they don't think it or say it. You can listen to reason or you can be a fool. The likes don't mean that everything was perfect.
@sharpjaws that is NOT Aluminium. Thats pretty obvious from the swarf alone.
How small parts can it do, I wonder...
Hmm... I am envious of people who can get their hands on piece of machinery like this :(
Ask that which one kind of trade mark ~ your first cutting tool is? Can give me this cutting tool's detailed material? Thanks
Good work,
we are in italy and in this time of less work we make experience with 5 axis .
you can give me some file for experience?
parasolid , step , iges or other.
best regard mauro
So, if I wanted a model of, say, a Lockheed P-38 machined out of stainless steel, about 12" wingspan, what would that run?
-jcr
thanks this very good show..
you forgot half of it lol. great job!
This is a Swiss-made machine and I wouldn't be surprised if it cost close to a million dollars. Repeatability is within +/- 5 microns.
why use a cnc i could do all of that by hand on a verticle mill even more precise in half the time?
Is Mastercam the software used for the CAD part??????
@tdilworth forget the run time. i want to know how many lines of code and how long it took to program lol
is the tool air cooled?
What material did you use? 6061?
great job