How to fix the DC Animated Movies
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So in this video I take a dive into why the DC animated movies have become a hell of a lot less compelling, from the story to characters, these movies have been very bland of late (with exceptions) thus my intrigue to find out why and what makes a good DC animated movie.
SIDE NOTE: I find it interesting that people say DC animated movies are better than Marvels when the very man that directed marvels left and started directing DC's current animated movies.. in a way sort of explains the drop in quality these last few years..
SUPER FRAME DC really should really give The Creeper(Jack Ryder )or Plastic man they're own animated movies. Fans need to know who these characters are and that Harley Quinn isn't the only Goofball character in DC.Also make Injustice a animated series or Arkhame Knight Animated series.
can you do a dreamworks dragons review
SUPER FRAME Nice video man !! I completely agree with you that the quality seems to have dropped off over the last couple of years. Gotham by gaslight was really disappointing in that respect for such a great premise in theory.
Also, like you said personal conflicts and the tone of the movies make such a huge difference. That's why I truly believe that Under The Red Hood and The Flashpoint Paradox were terrific in this respect. While they've got generous with the violence factor, that doesn't necessarily make it a better movie.
@Test86 One4 so you enjoy the trash DCAU film's
The art style, dialogue, and voice direction took a nosedive too. The style doesn’t ever compliment or enhance the stories they’re telling. Idk how to describe the dialogue impartially, it’s just passionless and overindulgent. Most of the characters are 2-dimensional one-liner spewers. There’s also a lot of these awkwardly long pauses when characters speak to each other that I never noticed in the older DC animated movies, am I crazy?
THANK YOU finally someone notice I thought I was the only one. Starting with Justice League War onward was terrible when a movie made years before look better!!!
@@DHworldwide185 hi
Mine is Batman: Under the Red Hood. First of all Jason Todd is my favorite comic book character right now. The way he handled everything in the movie was great. The one criticism I had and it was nightwings part. He was there more of to be there. If they wanted a superhero they should’ve used Tim Drake. He was the one who kept Batman under control and would’ve added a bit more spark to Jason’s rage. However I love the end monologue that Jason gives.
DC needs to hire you as a Producer, on these animated movies
My favorites is The Dark Knight Returns. It is a great examination of Batman's character and why the world needs him. In spite of the world turning darker around him he sticks to his moral code. It is a great examination of Superman as well. He is conflicted between following the law and doing what he believes is right when he is sent to stop Batman.
My third favourite as well. The dark Knight returns parts 1 and 2.
Their biggest problem is the inability to diversify. They seem to focus too much on Batman.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
@@shanelysamboy2013 Welcome
I enjoyed watching the New 52 movies but they still sucked as stories. Theyre just popcorn trying to sell solely on action when that alone isnt what made DC comics interesting.
The Flying Lion They're good novelty items to have though. I must've rewatched bad blood six seven times by now.
The new 52 movies are enjoyable but the stories get pushed back to make room for the action. Also the some of the characters can be real boring because they just make jokes or spew one liners.
Yeah and they introduced new character but didn't make them so interesting, they just push back,got wrecked,and death
Welp, Death Of Superman was a step in the right direction.
And so was Reign of the Supermen. Loved it!
Then dropped the ball immediately afterwards with Batman: Hush
Reign wasn't great. Hush was wasted potential.
@@RadinV1 I liked reign took some liberties and I wish they would've taken out Coast City with Mongul instead of Darkseid but pretty good
@@RadinV1 the only thing that bothered me in reign is superboy,he's just soo annoying and weird as hell
What about batman gotham by gaslight ?
I realy liked the movie
I didn't get time to talk about it in the video, my thoughts on Gaslight are varied. Whilst I loved the steampunk aesthetic I felt the characters were significantly undercooked, majority of that due to the run time, it's fun and easy to watch but is neither well constructed enough to reach the heights of the older DC animated movies like First Flight or All Star Superman. :) I'm really glad you enjoyed it, I loved the novel
Gosh that movie was terrible no rewatch value whatsoever
That Batman suit is retarded. Red Son is a better Elseworlds film.
the ending talking about how we should try to be constructive got me to sub. i personally also love under the red hood but ya it gets kinda hard to watch if im not in the mood. i did notice a huge dip in production and quality around the time of justice league war. i had fallen off a bit bc the friends i used to watch them with stopped having interest. i just think the older ones really tried to communicate good ideas and they had me craving more and more but they could only produce so many then. now they make like 3 a year and i cant be bothered unless its a random day. i kept thinking it was bc i was getting older and these types of stories and shows arent for me anymore. and i think for the most part the simpler ones arent. but it reminds me of how much i cared about crisis on 2 earths. and how thought provoking it was. thanks for that
Eric Gee to be fair that could be said about a lot of classic movies. Wanna watch fight club? Sorry, I'm just not in the mood...
Glad to see some agreement that the film's have taken a downgrade in quality. I see them praised so often that I actually wondered if it was just me. Genuinely, I actually wondered if I was alone in disliking or simply acknowledging the problems with these more recent movies. Since their exposure on Netflix (JL War onward). Judas Contract has been the first of those continuity that I ACTUALLY enjoyed. I was okay with Dark but it still felt underwhelming. So I hope this is a sign of better things to come. My personal favorite is JL Doom, would've liked it better had Newbern been Superman but eh. The movie that pretty much got me into comics was Under The Red Hood, right when it came out. It compelled me to go Wiki diving into the Batman comic lore, and I discovered more about Tim Drake as Red Robin through that and fell in love with that character (you'd think Jason, but Tim was the Robin I related to the most), and then I read more and more.
yeah I think too many people have been climatized and conditioned into thinking that the DC animated movies can do no wrong but ever since the change in creatives behind the camera if you will.. we've seen a significant drop in quality and I'm not gonna pretend that hasn't happened just because I've loved previous versions of the characters. Glad to see someone with a similar opinion aha
If I may ask, what is good about teen titans judas contract???? Me and a classmate gave it a watch and it honestly felt like a mess.
@@gundamfan7541 and that whole deathstroke and terra thing is just wrong
@@spideyguy3315 the romance is certainly cringy in the movie, but sadly its also in the comic too, but terra in that shows more class along with deathstroke not really betraying terra instead terra being emotionally unstable when learning jerichos his son. Admittedly the comic version does sound ridiculous today, but slade betraying terra just seemed off.
@@gundamfan7541 yeah,but it's still wrong for a grown man to touch an 15 or 14 yr old child,that's just the devils rules right there.
In the Animated universe, it’s The Judas Contract, but OVERALL, it’s Mask of the Phantasm. It is just as complex (if not more) than the apparently “superior” Nolan films while still keeping the classic gothic feel of Batman that those films were severely lacking. My favorite part is when Bruce is at his parent’s grave sand he’s begging for forgiveness for being happy. Plus it has Joker’s origins being a hitman for the mob, which I prefer over the killing joke origin, but that’s just me
The ones I put on most often are Under The Red Hood, JL Doom, JL Flaspoint Paradox, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker :)
OMG I thought I was the only one who felt like this about the new DC animated movies. Great job Bro-Beans so happy I randomly found this video
Crisis on Two Earths is my favorite, so far. Although I also love Red Hood, Public Enemies, The Elite, All-Star Superman, and Return of Black Adam.
As a fanboy, having all those heroes and villains in one movie was awesome, seeing what an evil Justice League and a good Injustice Gang would be, the supporting "Made Men" specially the Supers, the duels between parallel heroes and villains, and the surprise arrival of heroes in the Watchtower battle.
As a writer, I was hooked on each character's arc, and that's not just for the heroes. Batman not wanting to cross over to a parallel Earth because they have "enough on their plate" as it is (an idea he admitted to being wrong, and that's a first for Bats), Owlman and Superwoman's dangerous relationship, the Crime Syndicate's systemic operations, Martian's love story, even the subtle setup for Batman's final trick using Johnny Quick to power the dimensional jump. And of course, Owlman's insane genocide plot. Having James Woods voice Owlman was a great choice, IMO.
Great video. Thank you!
The simple fact is they can’t please everybody. Some of the issues they face in the animated movies they over emphasize in live action. & they ya da ya da over a lot of back story of character building because we know the character and complain when they do it in live action.
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My big pet peeve for most of the recent dc animated series/ movies stems from what I can only conclude to be a difference in voice direction: focusing on the flow of speech patterns and conversations.
Andrea Romano vs. Wes Gleason.
(It could also be the writer's fault, I suppose, based on the cues)
Has anyone ever noticed how the speech patterns changed with the introduction of young justice and has found itself into the new 52 as well?
The most aggravating trend of all, the pause, midsentence, to deliver some humorous prose or play on words?
Like the audience, us, are too stupid to pick up what the script meant to imply.
That's really my only complaint... and nearly everything having to do with Ninja Batman, minus the Joker's deception.
My favorite comic media RUclips strikes again! Awesome vid.
waheeeyy ahah thanks man, appreciate the support
Batman assault on Arkham is my fave! its a really fun story line and i enjoy joker's interaction with the squad!
can u also talk about how bad young justice is getting, season 1 and 2 were really good i dont kno whats happening with season 3 :(
The best is First Flight. There is development, growth and action. The characters are taken seriously and you see the pain as the rings of the dead lanterns fall to the ground.
Well Super Frame, I just got done watching Wonder Woman Bloodlines and let me tell ya, it had all three elements you just named that is lacking in the current DCAU movies; personal conflict, subtext, themes, and direction. Like u mentioned Sam Liu is a great director but it that Jay Oliva that naggs at me. He is a one dimensional director. Why on Earth would you get a storyboard artist for the directors chair?
I won't spoil WW Bloodlines but to be honest in my opinion I would say objectively that it is far better than any DCAU movie within the past 7 years; the closest being Death of Superman. It is gripping, emotional, has deep themes in love, compassion, truth, embracing who u are, and standing up for your personal beliefs. Im telling u it's great and I expect Superman Red Son to be good too.
Well on imdb bloodline was bad
@@spideyguy3315 And? I care what I can think
My opinion: Bloodlines is bland and flat. I give the movie points for having its own animation style, but it's just horrible.
WW 2009 is a way better movie( they took some liberties with the source material, put Hades for nothing, nerfed Ares a bit but it's pretty solid)
They know their reputation in the animation movie realm is god-like, so they know they can throw out lazier products cause they'll still get support.
They shouldn't let their kingship in that area get to their heads
We as Fans have to take under consideration the time constraint of these films are allowed to work with, taking in to account The Son Of Batman: A very good read. Budget and Time constraint are but some of the biggest issues to date.
3:18 I love this one. And much better than the 2011 live action.
I love how Zatanna was her usual ultra powerful self in justice league dark BUTTTTT got taken out like a weakling in Apokolips War. Kori while in her berserker state is strong enough to need both Donna and Mon-El (a literal Amazon and Kryptonian) to hold her back and they really struggled and nearly failed to do so. But in the movies, we barely see any power at all. Not to mention her starbolts are beyond weak which is completely wrong. Everyone died, but Damien gets revived by the power of love, making his sacrifice void, all because he is the favorite. A lot of it just didn’t make sense or seemed lazy.
My favorite DCAU movies is Justice League War and Death of Superman. From the old DCAU Baan Under the Red Hood
mine is jl vs tt im excited for apokolips war i hope it ends this movie verse on a good note
How do you fix something that's not broken I love the DC animated movies
100% agreed.
My two favorites are the new frontier and under the red hood. The new frontier is because of the characters. I love how they portray Superman and Wonder Woman having different views on justice, I love Hal Jordan’s journey and consider him to be one of the better versions of Hal Jordan and Martian manhunter is just such a compelling character in this movie. Also the action is fun and the story kept my interest. While with under the red hood, the best thing in it is that the story is fantastic with great ideologies, great emotion, Great voice acting, great action, and the one of the best monologues in any superhero movie. The monologue is obviously the one at the end when batman explains to Jason why he hasn’t killed joker.
I also like justice league doom but I was never as invested in that one, and I also enjoyed superman doomsday even though there is a lot of padding in that one. I would have liked killing joke if the first half didn’t exist but since it was still too similar to the comic I never was going to love it.
I also love return of the black Adam because I have always loved Shazam and it is just a well written short that’s fun and also George newborn is still great as Superman. Also, if we are counting the dcau films, mask of the phantasm is one of the best batman movies ever made with a great arc for Bruce Wayne, fantastic animation, action and voice acting, and a great mystery that isn’t rushed and makes sense unlike bad blood or hush. I also surprisingly like Superman brainiac attacks even though most people don’t and I do agree that it’s weird they used the dcau style when it’s not canon to the dcau but it’s still a fun movie and Clark’s arc is well done in my opinion. Also, I do like lex in the film even though he has nothing on gene hackman or Clancy brown.
Top 3:
Under the Red Hood
the Flashpoint Paradox
Assault on Arkam
Worst 3:
Teen Titans vs Justice League
Public Enemies
(2/3) the Gotham Knight
Reefa Mane Public Enemies was fantastic
And the worst is hells to pay
I agree with you, the "New 52" movies are hit and miss with me, over all I like them way better than any of the recent like action movies but you can see the dip in storytelling. I won't go as far to say they're terrible, with a few changes they would be perfect. I don't think a lot of the older DC movies were super great I liked Crisis on Two Earths the story was great but every time Superman and Bateman spoke it just didn't feel right. I do have my hopes up as Bad Blood was pretty good and Judas Contract/Death of Superman I personally thought were great.
My favourite batman fight scene batman vs darksied the scene perfectly sums up dynamic between darksied and batman darksied is above batman so this mere mortal who can't even destroy a car(if he has let me know )stands up to him tension is on batman knows he can't beat darksied so when batman outsmarts these seemingly new god darksied knows that if this true he could lose he loses it going ham on him when he knows batman is not lying he that's when batman wins and darksied loses
I guess I would speak from an outsider perspective on this cos I'm not much of a comic book fan but I was slightly intrigued by Damian Wayne as a character so I watched a bunch of animated movies with him. What an utter waste of time it was. It seemed like the makers decided that the how and why a character might change his mind and grow are not worth showing at all as long as the character does change at some point.
Did it ever feel lazy. Those few movies I watched went nowhere really fast accomplishing nothing along the way. Why would I watch anymore of this ? It's so lame. The way they are now is certainly going to make it harder to promote them to a wider audience than blind fanboys.
Year 1 or Mask of the phantasm for the satisfying character arcs
If you ask me, the movies are already getting fixed, starting with the Death and Reign of the Supermen. And judging from the trailers, Batman: Hush looks to be pretty awesome too. :)
Welp
Lewis Davidson shhhh
That a no
No dc animated movie is bad. Some have more problems then other. But none are bad. Mediocre at worst soild to very good at best.. but no dc animated movie is bad tho... their cinematic universe that bad. I’ll give you under developed stories and characters but the action and quality animation are still present. The new 52 movies I recommend is JL wars, Throne of Atlantis(kind of) Suicide squad hell to pay, death of superman, Batman vs Robin, justice league dark, non-52 movies. Killing joke,Batman Gotham by gaslight, justice league gods and monster, Batman & Harley(I think that movie is hilarious 😂 and action is great).
Not story has to be philosophical.
My favorite one is Flashpoint by the way
Seeing Aquaman and Wonder Women fight it out was amazing
I can’t be the only one who be double checking to see if I missed a movie bc of random characters being present without any introduction or a character being completely different than what was previously set up (Talia in Son of Batman/Batman Bad Blood if u get what I’m saying).
I hate that woman
My favorite DC animated movie is Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. I love the animation in this movie and since I'm a big fan of the animated series I really enjoyed how they added the flashback scenes such a good movie. I actually like the DCAU I do see how the movies in general are not quite as good as some of the older ones but they are still really good I almost think of them as episodes just like not every episode of Batman The Animated Series or Justice League was amazing same goes for these movies. My favorite of the DCAU movies is Justice League The Judas Contract I had a lot of fun watching it.
Sometimes it's okay, but I still think that most of the art and animation since Young Justice has been downright horrible. It's just SO stiff and lifeless... even the dialogue is, really. Yes, I'm spoiled by the Timm & Dini stuff from before. Yes, Red Hood was actually pretty great. No, I haven't seen half of your top 10 list, mostly because I pretty much gave up on these movies years ago. But what I have seen has been literally painful to watch. The worst offenders rank among the worst animation I've seen in decades, and the art style looks like Aeon Flux, which is to say, disgusting.
That's before I even get to the writing, directing, and corner-cutting that you discuss here. Still, while I'm harsher than you are, I can see your points. I'll have to check out your top 10 and watch the ones I missed.
What did you think of Fatal Five?
Yeah the old dc films are still better than today's
fatal five was good, and I like this more than Batman and Harley quinn and I bring it up to compare them since theyre in that same b:tas universe( i believe) and I couldn't get through B and Hq there were so many sex jokes and a fart joke i was out halfway through
Batman Under The Red Rood The Death Of Superman Batman The Killing Joke
Although I found the ending to be a bit disappointing, I still think Batman Mask of the Phantasm is the best DC animated movie overall. But I’d say Under the Red Hood and Justice League vs Teen Titans are also very good.
I really wanna hear your opinion on The Death of Superman and The Reign of the Supermen
Under the Red Hood was one of my favorites. there a few more but for me I would love a long series like they did in Young Justice. would love them to do an animated series of the Lantern spectrum
Listen to the fans for feedback and even ask them what to adapt the comics or make a new story
My favorites are Under The Red Hood and Dark Knight Returns
One major way to fix them is stop with the LOW LIFE VULGARITY!
I'm kinda biased but I love Flashpoint!
I don’t think it’s just quality drop. It’s also partially because there isn’t diverse moods in these stories anymore. If you’ve noticed, these movies are all dark. Don’t get me wrong, “dark” can be great but, these movies just feel dark for the sake of being dark. There’s no focus on story
So that's why Voltron was so good
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. In my mind the video games of Injustice are better then the animated movies.
may,be they should do one , crisis infinty earth animated movie,
I have to disagree with you on Jay Oliva. Batman Dark Knight Returns was done by him and was awesome. Plus I still prefer his style over Sam Liu.
What about gods & monsters?
all though that one was bruce timm it felt flat too me just didn't reach the heights that he's renowned for, perfectly serviceable movie though
Gods & Monsters was very good. Too bad they didn't continue whit that universe.
"While defeating Darkseid, I found it extremely hard to care about any of the characters other than Cyborg. I only cared about *takes breath with religious intent of summoning Hitler* Cyborg only out of empathy for how tragic *takes incredible break to inhale the gods* his story is."
Doctor Strange and Next Avengers aren't the only marvel animated movies out there, there's also two ultimate avengers films, Hulk v.s Wolverine Thor: tales from Asgard, and an Iron Man movie that I don't remember the title of
That's why I prefer going back to Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood, Year One, and The Dark Knight Returns.
I found the quality of these animated movies decline these days with mediocre scripts just in favor to actions and humor. Here is a list of the movies after The Dark Knight Returns I don't pretty much enjoy.
Superman: Unbound
Justice League: War
Son of Batman
Justice League Dark
Batman: Bad Blood
Batman: Hush
Batman vs Robin
Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay
Teen Titans: The Judas Contract
Justice League vs Teen Titans
Wonder Woman: Bloodlines
The Death of Superman
Reign of the Supermen
Superman: Red Son
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War
Superman: Man of Tomorrow
My favorite Dc movie is Under the red Hood the characters are fantastic the themes are great and it has one of the best endings ever
Under the red hood was the first time I've ever knew red hood and it was epic
Funny how you mention Batman vs Robin at 11:14 having the "smoothest animation in regards to choreography" when just a few months later it was shown that they literally rotoscope traced that fight sequence from Kwonkicker without permission.
magnomizer yeh I just recently found out about this hey, that’s super dog of them, if I were them I’d sue
While the quality has dropped for the new slate of dc animation, I’ve stuck with them this long that I’ve seen the good they can still do every now and then.
My favorite of these modern movies is TT vs JL. It delivers a character arc for Damian coming to terms with being part of a team and learns to overcome his demons to become a better person. It’s characterization of the teen titans (especially with their take on raven, my fav) and their adaptation of the trigon arc felt like a real titans story I haven’t seen in a while when it came out.
And it’s the most fun, especially compared to the miserable 3 batman movies and the 2 JL movies.
It doesn’t tell the most thought provoking story, but it’s an enjoyable one that feels like classic teen titans.
It means a lot to me, as a titans fan, and made me rekindle my love for dc animation at the time.
It’s obviously not perfect, the only flaw (for me) was with the JL characters continuing to be the most flat, dull and wooden version of the team ever conceived.
I always want to look on the bright side of things, I may like some of the new stuff but even I think they should’ve ended this shared animated universe a while ago. (And it’s ending with apokolips war supposedly) I can only hope that someday they’ll get their footing back, and make films that can be loved and talked about for a long time again.
By bringing them up to current events after all this isn't just for kids it was originally for adults as well in the two lever one for kids on TV or Podcast or this continues to lose the money you'll be doing back in the '30s
and it can happen if your not listening
I like dc animated movies at least there not as bad as marvel animated movies
marvel animated movies are hot dodo
They're literally good movies
I gotta say I agree & disagree on you on a lot of this , a little more on the disagree side but neither I nor you are 100% right
Good video
And you’re 100% right
Did you see the death of Superman and reign of the Supermen movies that came out this year and also Justice League vs the Fatal Five and if you have please do video on it please
Yeah most of them were trash
@@spideyguy3315 no They were good They're better than a new 52 movies that we got.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 reign was terrible and death was ok
@@spideyguy3315 If you look at the comic book adaptation, it's based on the comic was terrible I prefer the animated movies better.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 no the comics were better and That's my opinion
As of 2022 do you believe DC has stepped up in it's animated movie quality?
DC is more concerned about making cool adult DVD films and not great stories. Smh
its sad but thats honestly what it feels like, as if slapping an R rating on it will make it 'mature' aha
The Nightwing/Starfire stuff is my guilty pleasure...
I want my young justice movie
I think DC should stop trying to be marvel they already have a universe so why have a animated one I think they should just base there movies on comics and not make a entire universe of it like Gotham by gaslight that was a very good movie and so make else would stories that are animated or make a universe but don't have continewity errors
Fix them ? They are perfect.
So agreed!
I kind of wish the DC animated movies would stop trying to make an animated universe.
So far my favorite movies the have released these last few years are the standalone movies.
Leave it to this generation to bitch about anything. These dc films have been amazing. Some not perfect but you can’t strike gold every time. Some of y’all bitch about the production. Perhaps if ya’ll went out to actually support and buy these films and not steal them from online pirating WB wouldn’t lower the budget. But the hard work that these filmmakers put in shows through their work.
He just said it wasn't hate it was criticism
How dare we insult cheap animation?
God forbid people have opinions and criticize. No. We all must be a hive mind.
This shared new 52 animated universe is limiting creators and the same character designs and art styles feel bland. DC should go back to making fewer quality animated films which all have their unique tone
Agreed
Great video. But I noticed that you sound like you keep running out of breath. It's important to pace yourself with the narration, my guy.
Two drak and bad.Bad word's not good cartoon back to old school super hero cartoon.
Simple hire Joaquin Santos
I hate Batman Bad Blood cause they killed Firefly and Killer Moth, my favorite villains. STOP KILLING OFF VILLAINS
And I hate that talia bitch too
They could put effort into the animation. Not use 30 year old style/quality.
Saved everyone 13 minutes.
1: Stop adaptating the horrible new 52
2:put more money and effort in it
3 :make movies of other heroes
4: stop trying to be an anime
The only good DC is doing is the animated films and series. Their live action films and series suck and their comics have been trash lazy stories.
What about Batman: Gotham by Gaslight?
I didn't get time to talk about it in the video, my thoughts on Gaslight are varied. Whilst I loved the steampunk aesthetic I felt the characters were significantly undercooked, majority of that due to the run time, it's fun and easy to watch but is neither well constructed enough to reach the heights of the older DC animated movies like First Flight or All Star Superman. :) I loved the novel though
The DC animated movies is great thanks you its don't need to be fixed its an superhero movies it doesn't need to be very deep or meaningful it just have to be entertaining that what most of people don't understand about superheroes movies if a movie try to be something that isn't itself it would turn to this weird illogical inconsistent and irrelevant avengers infinity war type of movie that don't make any sense at all
The problem has less to do with the writers or directors and way more to do with WB. WB is simply unwilling to increase the budget. They've actually decreased the budget over the years. That's why they stopped doing the short films. WB decided that the short films weren't increasing sales enough to justify the additional cost.
These movies are now being made on more of a schedule. WB has decided to make 3 movies per year. If you look at the interviews with the writers from years ago, they were making movies based on ideas they were excited about. Nowadays, they're making movies to keep up a quota. So rather than taking the time to actually work out the best stories, they're just working to finish the stories on time. Sometimes that works but more often, they end up with a final script that's more like a first or second draft.
The actual creatives have less power than they used to. When they were doing the DC animated shows, they had a lot of creative freedom. They could come up with their stories and ideas, they needed approval from DC and WB but the higher ups didn't tell them what stories they had to do. Now they're being told what stories to do. That's why they did the movies based on the New 52.
Also, WB screwed over Lauren Montgomery. After Wonder Woman didn't sell as well as WB wanted, they shelved the Wonder Woman sequel and Batgirl: Year One, which Lauren wanted to make. They also changed Superman/Batman: Apocalypse to focus less on Supergirl, which did not make Lauren and Andrea Romano happy.
God I hate WB....
Good news, beginning with Batman: Hush, DC Showcase is returning!! :D
@@Hewylewis
Hopefully it turns out well because I'm sick of these low quality films.
+KingofMadCows-I had a suspicion as such, that these New 52 movies in particular are more done by committee pumping out these titles like a factory. (Even Justice League vs Fatal Five had an awful budget where while it looks better, it still looks like a sloppier, less refined version of the Justice League tv show). The writing is a massive problem and with the New 52 movies, have gotten far worse in time. Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin had a lot of potential but were hindered by so many problems and by Bad Blood, the series had already plunged off a cliff. Of no return. With Bad Blood, there was no saving the series anymore. . .
And The Killing Joke was really what should have been the final death knell for all these animated movies. What an absolute disgrace and travesty. Most of these movies are no better than direct to video releases. But WB pumps them out one after the other because they desperately want to weasel and sucker people. I don't know who genuinely looks forward to any of these movies anymore. Only one of my friends said he may, MAY decide to catch Superman: Red Son. . .only because it's unconnected to the New 52 series and they liked the original comic so much. But at this point, I'm just done with all these animated movies and wish they would disappear completely. . .
@@feraflauna3238 me too
The DC animated movies didn’t start going downhill until the started doing their New 52 animated movies....
Coincidence? I think not!
I hate the new 52,it's just so weird and confusing
Death Of Superman was fucking good.
@@darkgoddarkseid2824 they just remade the 2007 movie and put the other league members on it
The new 52 was a letdown both in comics and in animations. DC only hits or miss these days.
For me, Doom was great, under the red hood was good, but not great. Crisis on 2 earths & Flashpoint Paradox are my 2 favorites &, in my opinion, they're the last make of a good model.
I completely agree, these movies have gone downhill and need to be great again! For me the decline started after the Flashpoint Paradox. I thought that was the last great one. Also I think a large part of it is the shared New 52 Universe they are trying to build, which if I'm being honest I was never really a fan of to begin with. I miss being able to tell people that the animated movies are so much better, but now I just have to say the earlier ones, and by earlier I mean JL Doom, Wonder Woman, Under the Red Hood etc., which aren't even that old, making it harder to explain. Regardless though, I hope they drop the shared universe and bring back the quality stories we used to get, I miss it.
really hit the nail on the head there pal. I too felt the decline after Flashpoint Paradox, I'd really like if they could abandon the universe angle, it isnt doing to much for me as a viewer, I'd rather be enthralled with a single movie with a character I can latch on too :)
The problem with that is convincing them that the Justice league isn't their bread and butter.
Vaughn Coleman , honestly I'm fine with the whole idea of the shared universe idea, however what makes the current dc animated movies lack luster is 2 major components, one no attempt at actual atmosphere or to simplify it let's call it personality, my favorite dc animated movies are The Dark Knight Returns parts 1 and 2, and Batman Assault On Arkham, the first for recreating the 80's aesthetic and the second for it's pace and voice work, the second component is the voice direction and directors, Andrea Romano did such an amazing job making the characters come to life, Wes Gleason?, god he's trying but his results are just too mediocre
@Colin forever they just started with the new 52 theres only been like 14 movies yet! I think 20 movies will do it and yes, your idea for rebirth is awesome but the current new 52 universe has not yet reached the end story to tip over to Wally's speed force comic (DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH [first dcr book])
+Vaughn Coleman-It's easier to see with this: after Flashpoint Paradox, and probably after Man of Steel where they aimed to compete with Marvel, WB/DC decided to pump out their own cinematic universe factory, with Justice League for the movies, and New 52 for the majority of the animated movies. With the animated movies, they did the whole process by committee where they severally slashed the budget where the animation/style is often sloppy (even Fatal Five, which does look a little better, still has a lot of design problems and looks cheap. . .), rid themselves of their far more competent writers and filmmakers. They even dropped Andrea Romano, a supreme prime voice director, after Batman vs Robin for no reason, where the voice direction even took a sharp decline afterwards without her.
And they appointed far less talented and capable writers and filmmakers that would just do what they're told and punch the movies out on time. That's about it. Where Under The Red Hood was a beautiful story made with love and care, the New 52 movies and a lot of the recent others are just pumped out. Like a factory packaging raw sausage and don't even care how bad the sausages tastes.
So many people want a DCAU Justice League continuation so bad. And right now, I can beyond not recommend doing so. Because WB/DC has such a tight, iron deathgrip on anything and everything to where they're still trying to sort out the nuclear mess they unleashed from the live action shared series.
I don't know right now what their approach is going to be for the animated movies. It would be merciful if New 52 was finally dropped and forgotten about. So far, it looks like they're going to do absolutely nothing different. This animated factory needs to stop. . .Soon. . .
I love DCs animated films but they have goten very lazy
Gotten...? Always have been. Spider-verse is what effort looks like.
@@RevCQ7 Spiderverse was a mess. It was unrealistic and had extremely bad pacing.
@@ooogabooogggaa1012 What a terrible take.
@@RevCQ7 Really? Miles was a terrible Spiderman, he couldn't do anything right and then all of a sudden he puts on a new suit and he is like the best Spiderman to exist. I am pretty sure that's not how life works. Also the film went way to fast. It was very quickly explained and there was no time to take a breath it was one thing after another, not only did they keep throwing a tone of information at you but there was also constant fighting and the fight scenes weren't all that great. I mean the villains over powered the hero's like every time except from the end because well Miles went from random becoming camo every now and then and basically unable to swing or fight or anything to like a Spiderman God in like 2 seconds.
@@ooogabooogggaa1012 tl:dr.
Don't read after bad takes like that. Not even close to willing to hear you out lol you lost your credibility moment you said some dumb shit lol not worth my time.
One of my personal favorite DC animated movies is Assault on Arkham. It's a really good heist movie and although the characters aren't all that deep, they have a great dynamic with each other and has one of the best interpretations of Harley Quinn. It's far from the deepest of these movies, but it's still a lot of fun and a far better Suicide Squad movie than the actual one.
I agree. A 1000% that and under the red hood are my favourites
Honestly I think you went easy on these New 52 Animated Movies.
rewatching this now. I totally agree. there as flat as the marvel animated movies back in the day, not surprising since its from the same director
@@thesuperframe At least Planet Hulk and Hulk vs Wolverine were great, though.
I personally love these movies but I have to admit, each year they do seem more and more lackluster
May i add of how insulting they make certain characters are. They made nightwing a bland comic relief character who get his butt beaten by almost everyone. They made Deathstroke's character inconsistent. Even arthur curry final confrontation with his brother felt lackluster. Not to mention in almost every part of his OWN MOVIE, he kept on being the damsel in distress eventhough he's the protagonist and needs to be saved by everybody else. the movie felt forced. I can't help but to keep on comparing aquaman from the JLA to the new aquaman from throne of atlantis ranging from the character itself to it's conflict and the plot as a whole. Basically, in old dc animations every characters carry it's weight and importances. All of them matters no matter how short their screentime is. But in new DC animations, you obviously can tell apart which characters they want to focus on and which characters they simply left out and let them become bland.
How to fix DC animated movies? Stop the F trying sooooo hard to make them edgy. They don't need it.
I personally love Justice League War. Despite the lack of depth that Flashpoint had, it was nice to just see our heroes fight off an invasion. I agree though that the films have seen a drop in decline. My biggest problem is Damian. He is such an unlikable character, and he keeps getting shoehorned into most movies. This wouldn't be so bad if DC didn't put Batman into just about EVERYTHING they do (another issue). I love Batman, but it would be nice to have some variety.
personally if i had my way i would love for DC animation to finally adapt supersons with Jonathan Samuel Kent aka superboy and damian wayne robin
yeah that's true and in fact i am hoping that's the ending that we do get with Lois and Clark getting married by the ending of the reign of the superman movie
Will N interesting idea but I would also love to add superboy Jonathan Samuel Kent the son of Superman and Lois Lane because I personally love this character he’s so awesome and adorable that it would make me so happy to finally have a super sons animated movie
After The Flashpoint Movie the DC Animated movies really went down hill (with the expectation of Gods and Monsters) But I think the current production team is starting to get back into a grove. Judas contract was good and Batman Harley Quinn was a fun little romp
yeah I can tell there actually changing as the criticism fans have provided have steered them in such a direction
Thing is that angle can work, if they give the spotlight to all their main players. However they have screwed up by giving Batman characters the spotlight, or rushing events that need proper build up to pull off. The judas contract was okay, but not a good adaptation of the story. The less I speak of B/HQ, better. What the movies need is to focus on each individual hero before doing big events. All batman films fail to do that since there's still focuses on how big the threat is rather than the personal conflict. This is something under the hood did brilliantly, and should be done with a Batman story.
Batman Assault on Arkham is also good. It's what the Suicide Squad movie should've been. Batman & Harley Quinn was horrible.
Crisis on two Earth’s. Its really fun. It’s got some great quotes. Plus I love how you can get characters from even the background characters. Like you can tell who Aquaman is from his one line.
I want a dark Knight metal animated movie or a Teen Titans the animated series movie made with these new 52 movie graphics, any objections?
Yes, that is really stupid. Dark Knight Metal needed multiple tie in's and many issues to get the story across and you think it'll take just one movie? *Hell No* and with that god awful new 52 animation? Please tell me your comment was a joke because if you think that this animation is superior to Justice League Doom or even Crisis on Two Earths or kidding yourself. The animation is clunky, the fight choreography is terrible (except a part in Doom when the Team teams up on Darkseid), and the voice actors don't hold a candle to the ones in the animated cartoons.
They’re making Teen Titans Vs. Teen Titans Go
@@justsomeponywithamustache8731 I know. They been teasing it 🙄. However The OG Teen Titans are going to have their original animation *NOT* new 52. And I'm saying this now it's going to be bad.
That would be cool. Hopefully they can make an animation style that mimics Greg capullo art.
my favorites has to batman under the red hood batman mask of the phantasm batman beyond return of the joker mostly because well its my all time favorite character fighting batman true Nemesis but also has a great mystery on how the hell the joker is alive in the future and the reveal to who the joker is. was really dark and really interesting in my opinion. Justice league crisis on two earths is a great movie because well its about the crime syndicate and the justice league going against each other yes but also has owlman a member of the syndicate manipulating everything behind the scenes to achieve his own agenda which is really interesting in my opinion. Justice league dark a great team origin movie that adapts the source material pretty good opinion. finally recently it has to be Justice league gods and monsters which was a original idea from bruce timm that actually paid off and gave us a great elseworld story for the DC universe that i really want to see more from that universe because it was really good and interesting.
yeah they're all great, I think I'd have most of them on a top 10 list, there all really fun in there own way
Honestly, one of my favorites is the Batman vs. Dracula movie, because not only does it ask what kind person Bruce Wayne is when facing an original Dark Prince, but also show that although Batman is about the Mission, he will move heaven and Earth to save people that he cares about
I love the dc animated movies and I think you are right these films used to have potential, a great story, great characters, and badass animation. But nowadays these films are kinda sloppy some are really great but some not so much. I think your way explains how to fix these movies.
Also my favorite dc animated movie is batman vs robin because we get to know Damian Wayne a little more than we saw him in son of batman and he is wanting to go out in the open world and not hide behind the mask as robin. This is what makes this my favorite dc animated movie
For me it is justice league flashpoint paradox. The movie got me into a flash fan and at first I didn't like the flash that much. I like Thomas Wayne batman and it make aquaman a killer. I can go on and on about this movie.