What happened before the battle: Arsonal refused to battle until they payed him the rest of his money, but they didn't have it at the time, Ilmac heard this and got so pissed off because he was told the battle might not happen so he started punching walls and drinking-that's why he's drunk in the battle in case you didn't notice. I won't say who I think won, but, imagine Illmac was sober.
THANK YOU! I just explained this on another post because people was trying to play Mac about this particular battle. Ars always pulling bullshit like this and Ars did the same thing with the 1st Hollow battle!
Alright here it is... Round #1: Arsonal (Mac went in with the personals but Ars landed more blows with them straight bars) Round #2: Illmaculate (Mac calling Ars out on all sorts of shit, Ars came with them bars but to much filler this round) Round #3: Arsonal (Mac on some embarrassing shit, Ars slaughtered this round) Winner: Arsonal 2-1
Elliot Fedorka Agreed, not to mention, Ill ran out of shit to say on that third round so he gave that one away, Ars had bars for days but most of it was irrelevant
@@bdubb1331ye cause he’s drunk. Arsenal was a arsenal and demanded the 2nd half of his money before the battle but they didn’t have it at the event so it wasn’t going to go ahead so ill started to get pissed
A none violent battle rap !!!judge joe brown you may wanna find you some other type of entertainment. Like ballet 🩰 or gymnastics 🤸♀️ maybe opera.all none violent IM just tryna help you out a little bit
Scar Sighted Well, supposedly vs. Okwerdz and vs. Pat Stay he switched the time limits last minute. I think even to unlimited vs. Pat Stay. Vs. Illmaculate Arsonal cancelled the battle over a disagreement over money, so Illmaculate got drunk since the battle was off (and hey, it's still a party) and eventually Arsonal got the money he was demanding and the battle became back on after Illmaculate was drunk. Arsonal and "bitch shit" is synonymous.
Stefan Robert I don't think people say Arsonal is the best anymore after he choked in like 4 straight battles. Dude was on a losing streak for a while.
I'm not sure if you've read the comments, but it should be clear by now that the battle was either canceled or delayed because Arsonal wouldn't battle until he got more money (or got the rest of his money), so Illmac continued drinking assuming the battle wasn't going to happen, and then magically Arsonal ended up agreeing to battle. This kind of bullshit happens in a lot of Arsonal battles, like vs. Pat Stay over time limits, and maybe all the way back to vs. Okwerdz or Dizaster.
@@jraymond1988 He still wouldn't of been able to beat Arsonal, Arsonal would of killed him the same. He spat very good this battle, literally zero f ups, quick, lyrical, comical, he had great delivery and bars in this fucking battle, sorry... too easy.
Arsonal is a monster. I don't think people appreciates his freestyles, wordplay, flow, jokes, off the top, flips, etc. The dude's got bars on deck and the only bodybag of hollow da don in his back pocket. Respect game.
Ilmac has talent, but he was drunk, and didn't use his full talent. This is one of Arsonal's best performances ever. His third round is legendary, one for the books. I can't believe he brought such a heavy arsonal of bars against Ilmac in that round. The very definition of "bodying" an opponent. His brand name scheme was literally brilliant. God fucking damn those were some scorching bars.
I don't think him being drunk had ANYTHING to do with this 3rd round. I think Ars got under his skin and had him pissed off and thinking too hard. Ars won but it's a little wack how he be more touchy and closer to people he know ain't about that life. He gets in everyone's face to an extent but does it with a different demeanor vs certain pple...... smh
Na id agree if I seen illmac drunk any other time in a battle but he clearly is drunk an was tryin to do flips an forgot his verse if he wasn't drinkin idk if that would of happened ill take illmac at his word he said he was drunk so since hes neer choked before ill believe him!
rich merchant if that's the case then why did he remember round 1 and 2 damn near flawlessly. I understand what ure saying. But I think arsonal really got to him. Illmac wasnt even as cool as he normally is battling. U can tell he was kinda pissed
This is the first time I watched this battle the whole way through, and I say Ars got it, but it was by no means a demolishing. Both verses for the first two runs were on point, although I preferred Ars subject matter a tad more, and then the 3rd went to Ars, clean. However, Ill came pretty slick. I love his confidence, and the slow, clear, and potent approach in his presence. Sometimes it works to his advantage, sometimes it doesn't.
2 years later and it's still crazy to see Illmac die like that against a quote unquote gun bar rapper jeez 3-0 Ars no debating Illmac is nice don't get me wrong he has some classic performances but this night he got gis bodybag put in a bodybag
@@HoustonIsImmortal wanna know what else true professionals don't do? Bitch about the money at the venue, tell the league owner you ain't battling, then magically agree to the battle well over an hour and a half later when their opponent, who was told that they weren't gonna,be battling anymore that night, is drunk. So take that professional shit and get the fuck outta here with it because you obviously have zero clue of the shit that arsonal pulled.
@@chuckobucko2896 Wow, you really don’t have any clue about what you’re talking about, do you? Did you watch the pay per view for the event? No? Ok then. All that shit that I said happened THE DAY OF THE EVENT. As in, the rounds were prepped on both sides. Arsonal pulled some diva shit when it was time for him and Ill to battle, KOTD went forward with the last battle on the card, Diz vs Canibus, and then, at minimum, an hour after saying he wasn’t gonna do the battle and that information being relayed to Illmac who then drank because why the fuck wouldn’t he, he wasn’t gonna be battling, Arsonal agreed to do the battle. If you’re gonna talk about something, it helps knowing what you’re talking about.
I swear my phone fucking knows me I was thinking about illmac first round vs Arsonal earlier today and here it is on my recommended shit. Every time I think about a battle or a video or even a artist RUclips puts it on there for me to watch
That whole video was dope. Ars had some hella witty shit to say, I find how he bounces between references and gunplay on the same scheme. Mac had a good flow to demonstrate and hella pointed shit out but the way ars freestyled rebuttals was all class.
Your clock tickin When it's beef my block thicken Got a long-nose Glock And its competing with Scott Pippin When that long-nose Pop I just say it's snot dripping Everything red on the scene But the beam the dot different🔥🔥 -Ars
newyorkaces half of ars shit was generic gun lines...real boring. He got called out for being a bitch pretending to be thug and didnt rebuttal shit except for the third over detroit. He ruined the third round from his boring part to interupting ill.
Not a mismatch at all, illmac is one of the best to ever do it, everyone has a bad night and illmac had a bad night, not taking anything way from ars by the way, he was fire.
Thankyou!!! Whether he had been drinking or not, his words are his words. He wrote everything for this battle and memorized it and said it. Having a little energy with a more sober mind isn't going to enhance words you wrote. If it's wack in comparison to the other guy's stuff he wrote, then it is what it is.
Its funny people giving Illmac a pass for being drunk, if Ars was drunk and Illmac was sober would those same people be giving Ars the pass? Doubtful, peoples attempt to hide their bias is so transparent. It is blatantly obvious that Ars won this, he bullied him and it worked, next battle.
.... If the situation was the same. if mac said he wasn't going to battle than when Ars gets a little drunk he said he was gonna battle I'd call mac a bitch but he doesn't do the bullshit
Me? haha fuck you :) It's simple arsenal CHOSE to have a drunk opponent when he knew he would be sober if he said he would battle him. Used some low down dirty tricks to beat Illmac and he hardly beat a drunk man.
I'm pretty sure there is a ton of big bosses that would disagree with you. Organik is an example. Also no matter what you say Arsonal took an advantage of the system and is a little fucking bitch.
IMO put him in the URL against Charlie Clips and Tay Rock etc. He'd get torched. There's a reason why he doesn't battle people like that. If he was as nice as everyone thinks, then he'd be cookin those type of dudes.
For those saying Arsonal won, you must've not understood what Illmac rapped. He broke down Arsonal's entire character, especially in the 2nd round. 1st broke the midget slogan down, 2nd broke down his thug image. I think if Illmac wasn't drunk, his 3rd would've broke down Arsonal entirely. BUt as is, 2-1 Ilmac. Plus, I rate rebuttals as a huge hit if they connect, and not rebuttaling something huge as a big minus. Arsonal didn't debate anything Illmac said, just went back to his gun shit even after Illmac broke his thug image. The only thing that I found really hit was his hood rules scheme.
Kalamite you're a clown if bars went over any ones head it was yours; illmac had a terrible performance the entire battle, the only thing that was nice was the world peace rebuttal but other than that his shit was miserable. Arsonal absolutely murdered this man third degree, he was consistent the entire time, had a ton of hard hitting shit, he freestyled a little bit and was just all around far more appealing, you're a fool.
How can you possibly say illmac won 2-1? Did you even watch the battle? If you think the third round was the only round he didn't win then I think you need some serious medical attention because you're probably suffering from a concussion. Ars absolutely murdered Mac, and I'm a fan of his; but I have seen far better from illmac and it's clear that he got bodied here.
Matthew Melcher Naw, all I heard in the first 2 rounds was his usual crip gun bars. only in the 3rd did he say anything direct to Illmac. Furthermore, Illmac broke Arsonal's character and his slogans down completely. That's why I gave Ill the first 2 rounds. Also, I'd prefer if you could talk respectfully instead of dissing my intelligence because of a difference in opinion. It only makes you look like the stupid one.
Dan Marzec Yeah, I'm a fool because I have a differing opinion and prefer direct bars rather than the same gun bars every battle? Yeah, *I'M* the fool....
Second time watching this.... I'm an Illmaculate supporter and all I remembered was how it was kind of sad how Illmac was sloppy in the 3rd round and repeated stuff twice, hence not really wanting to see him perform badly again, but... Upon watching it again, Illmaculate definitely smoked Ars in the first 2 rounds. It wasn't as bad as I remembered, Illmac sorta got through his 3rd round and he at least ended it on his own terms. Ars has some slick moments and how he can shift, but has so much recycle and filler in his rhymes, the lyrical dexterity and polish of his delivery, I just wish he had more content.
Great breakdown. I felt the same. That said, illmac 2-1 his 3rd was a bad choke and then he freestyled horribly to try to save it, I can't give him the round off of the first half even if the guilty conscience angle was fire
😂 he said "you have to be tough". To fake threat, and insult women and children and dead people who can't defend themselves? In a situation where people aren't allowed to punch you...yeah that's tough
For those of y'all that don't know, this was right after the Canibus vs Dizaster battle...The battle was suppose to happen earlier, but Arsonal backed out because of an issue he had with the pay. Then Illmac said "Fuck it" and got wasted. After that Arsonal decided he would battle after all. The combo of a dead crowd after the Notebook and a drunk Illmaculate didn't lead to great things
3-0 to ars. but id be more than up for seeing a rematch. judged as well. illmac is usually much better than this, but ars dont do rematches or judged battles so its never gonna happen.... shame.
Michael Loufus your comment is how i know youre not a battle fan and youre just a nobody who jumped on to comment his two cents "he ripped off immortal tech and eminem" no he used them as a reference inside his bars to diss Arsonal... derrrrrrrr start paying attention
call me crazy but illmaculate had the better lyrics. especially in the first round. his delivery was fucked from bein drunk but arsonal didn't say anything that impressed me
+Mathew Cottrell not crazy at all. anyone looking at this objectively would agree. and of course that's on Illmac for being drunk, but none the less, his actual lyrics were better. but lyrics are only half the battle, pardon the pun
this is the best I've seen Arsonal battle. glad he did some good writing this time instead of his wack ass free's- which, by the way, illmac would've beasted
arsonal is the best battle rapper today and most viewed in america for a reason - his bars are crazy and he spit fast combines alot of words and hit you with his words in your soul - watch ill his face at the end he almost cried
Illmac lost and its a shame because the crowd was wack both ways when both emcees had dope stuff. Arsonal edged first 2 slightly and 3rd was obviously his. I think it was debatable for illmac to win the first or second round, but the crowd was really boring overall. Arsonal won either way 2-1 or 3-0.
:| edged? You seriously think Arsonal only "edged" the first 2 rounds!? I'm far from biased, except against Dotmob at times, but Arsonal won EVERY round by a Calicoe landslide. And to show you how unbiased I am, I was thinking that Bigg K was gonna win easily against Illmaculate, but I gave a slight edge to Ill and gave him that battle. Ill was very, very poor in this battle, very poor. You have to be a fan of Ill or something...
illmac was tore up but he still spit 2 quality rounds.. he came with those real bars and arsonal went hard too.. cant give it to either one but illmac get little handicap for being so twisted and sounding like he freestyled a good amount of bars.
Mac was drunk and barely got through the battle that is evident. The battle was jot going to happen hence mac got drunk, last minute it was put back on at the end of the night. Ars had every right to not battle without his money KOTD messed up if that the story. They should have a rematch especially since Mac is killing everyone recently. It would be a great battle
If you take out Illmac's third, this would have been a legendary battle. I can't argue with however anyone scored the first two rounds, but I had it 1-1 going to the third, with Ill taking the second and Ars edging the first. But even if you had it 2-0 Illmac, which is not crazy, he lost that third round so bad, you can't really say he beat Ars. And Ars came strong every round.
am I the only one that noticed how all of the reaction for Arsonal's bars came from his boys? he only got this battle because Illmac was wasted. nothing very impressive from Arsonal, just a good line here and there
+JSwanKilowJ so... you come to a battle wasted and that is an excuse for losing??? really.... look man i like both guys equal but dont say that shit; you dont make excuses. you go into a battle to win and if ill really wanted to win he woulda stayed sober. peace
+bakerbrown6 no one is making excuses. it's just a fact. if Illmaculate wasn't completely plastered, this battle would've been a lot more debatable. just stating the facts
+JSwanKilowJ you're actually stating a very ignorant opinion. him being wasted doesn't change the WRITTEN lyrics he spit. he spit the same lyrics he would've spit if he was 'sober' minus one or two freestyle lines, this is a written league dude stop making excuses
+Lostfoundandlostagainthenfoundagain not at all. I don't get why everyone keeps saying I'm making "excuses" when I'm clearly not. my point is actually very valid as a matter of fact. battling is more than just the lines you write, it's also how you deliver them. it's about your presence, how you can command the audience. you can have superior lines to your opponent, but if you deliver them in a piss poor manner, you won't get the crowd behind you. I've watched this battle start to finish multiple times already. Arsonal did not have the crowd captivated. almost all of the reaction he got was from his crew. if Illmac had a strong performance, Arsonal would not have won. this is exactly why I say what gave Arsonal the W was Illmac being drunk and having a poor performance. and I'm right about this.
+JSwanKilowJ I'm surprised by that breakdown, I respect it. I also commented before watching this battle again. hear me out, when this battle came out the battle rap scene was COMPLETELY different than how it is now and honestly by the standards back then illmac got bodied. The whole double/triple entendre and schemes were pretty rare in those days. as I rewatched this battle in 2016 it didn't seem like a bodybag at all because Ars' wordplay seems very rudimentary- and illmac came at him with angles and shit which was a little ahead of his time. So I agree with you going by today's standards, but going back to how battle rap was THEN I would still say illmac got bodied. Peace
Ilmac has to be the corniest battler ever. Multis for no reason, wack delivery, and that dream shit in the bigg k battle has to be the most overhyped garbage in KOTD history.
+Nkcubeko Mgodeli I feel like I should elaborate. By for no reason I mean Multi filler, multi punchline, just multis that overall feel forced. His delivery is horrible though kind of kid twist esque and is made to look even worse when he's rapping in the same time frame as B magic and Ice. I enjoyed him in Scribble Jam way back, but I feel his style is outdated kind of like Mook. But if you like him that's fine he's a vet.
Papa Grande you know, it's funny reading all the hate for these guys from people who are in no position to criticize and even know real talent because 90 percent of you guys can't do what they do so why not just watch who we want and if you think somone sucks then just don't watch but don't act like you can do better or even half as well as them.
Danny Lavala I'll admit I absolutely hate Illmaculate's style. I believe it was dope back in 2004-2009 but it irks me now and feel as if it is dated in this day and age. But it's stupid to say I'm in no "position to criticize". Like do you have to be a chef to criticize a meal you don't like or a director to talk shit about a bad movie? Just my thoughts. Also I'm just airing out my grievances, Illmac will continue to battle and do his thing no matter what I or anyone in these comments say.
What happened before the battle: Arsonal refused to battle until they payed him the rest of his money, but they didn't have it at the time, Ilmac heard this and got so pissed off because he was told the battle might not happen so he started punching walls and drinking-that's why he's drunk in the battle in case you didn't notice. I won't say who I think won, but, imagine Illmac was sober.
THANK YOU! I just explained this on another post because people was trying to play Mac about this particular battle. Ars always pulling bullshit like this and Ars did the same thing with the 1st Hollow battle!
Shut up wigga
"This is my round, why are you speaking in it? This is the hottest verse in the battle and you just wanna be featured in it" ok ill I see you.
Ya no😞🤦🏿♂🤷🏿♂😩
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ars 3-0 too much for em
"You'll never see Surf battle Suge" -Ars ..... well that happened
Factz
That’s why it’s never good to say never
Tsu Surf just battled Suge on UW stage a few years ago. Exactly
Alright here it is...
Round #1: Arsonal (Mac went in with the personals but Ars landed more blows with them straight bars)
Round #2: Illmaculate (Mac calling Ars out on all sorts of shit, Ars came with them bars but to much filler this round)
Round #3: Arsonal (Mac on some embarrassing shit, Ars slaughtered this round)
Winner: Arsonal 2-1
agreed
Thank you!
Elliot Fedorka Agreed, not to mention, Ill ran out of shit to say on that third round so he gave that one away, Ars had bars for days but most of it was irrelevant
Elliot Fedorka Fact. Anyone claiming Ill won just wants to have an unpopular opinion.
Perfect breakdown.
Years later im still coming back to watch this classic
youll never see surf battle suge ...ars you got some explaining to do
Illmac's drunk af but his 1st two rounds are so fire.
illmac should've jus stood there instead of constantly reacting. we could see ars was really gettin to him
His defense sucks
@@bdubb1331ye cause he’s drunk. Arsenal was a arsenal and demanded the 2nd half of his money before the battle but they didn’t have it at the event so it wasn’t going to go ahead so ill started to get pissed
Illmaculate looks like a young version of Ice-T
you hit that on the head lol he also look like Yung Berg.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmfao 😂😂 thank you for putting it out there
Stupid lmao
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Arsonal is my favorite battle rapper.
Why you take away guns and violence and has nothing to say lol 1 trick pony
Sus Matrix facts
A none violent battle rap !!!judge joe brown you may wanna find you some other type of entertainment. Like ballet 🩰 or gymnastics 🤸♀️ maybe opera.all none violent IM just tryna help you out a little bit
@@saintstorm7 I don't like arsonal that much but its more than that. He has personals, presence, sometimes he schemes, sometimes he comes with bars.
Why
Much respect to Arsenal for this one. Way to show true love for the culture. The way he handled that third round was some classy shit man big ups!
Other than all the bitch shit Arsonal used to do before battles, I agree with you.
What did he used to do before battles?
to Nel N.E.L.:
Many say Arsenal is the best. He doesn't duck anyone and he beat Charlie Clips, Conceited, Aye-Verb, T-Rex, DNA etc.
Scar Sighted
Well, supposedly vs. Okwerdz and vs. Pat Stay he switched the time limits last minute. I think even to unlimited vs. Pat Stay. Vs. Illmaculate Arsonal cancelled the battle over a disagreement over money, so Illmaculate got drunk since the battle was off (and hey, it's still a party) and eventually Arsonal got the money he was demanding and the battle became back on after Illmaculate was drunk. Arsonal and "bitch shit" is synonymous.
Stefan Robert
I don't think people say Arsonal is the best anymore after he choked in like 4 straight battles. Dude was on a losing streak for a while.
The third round is painffulllll to watch..smh. Dude should of slowed down on the drinking.
I'm not sure if you've read the comments, but it should be clear by now that the battle was either canceled or delayed because Arsonal wouldn't battle until he got more money (or got the rest of his money), so Illmac continued drinking assuming the battle wasn't going to happen, and then magically Arsonal ended up agreeing to battle. This kind of bullshit happens in a lot of Arsonal battles, like vs. Pat Stay over time limits, and maybe all the way back to vs. Okwerdz or Dizaster.
Oh ok...I wasn't aware. Thanks for informing me.
@That Guy so if the battle is canceled he should still get ready for it? Shut up dumb fuck
@@jraymond1988 Bruh Shut Up IllMac Is A Corny Rapper Ars 3-0 easy
@@jraymond1988 He still wouldn't of been able to beat Arsonal, Arsonal would of killed him the same. He spat very good this battle, literally zero f ups, quick, lyrical, comical, he had great delivery and bars in this fucking battle, sorry... too easy.
Arsonal is a monster. I don't think people appreciates his freestyles, wordplay, flow, jokes, off the top, flips, etc. The dude's got bars on deck and the only bodybag of hollow da don in his back pocket. Respect game.
youll never see surf battle suge ...ars you got some explaining to do
"Every one of your battles gets a million views?"
Ars: "Welcome to the club..." lmao
stellar performance from the boy ars.
It looked like illmac wanted to cry
Arsenal 3-0. That nigga just murdered him...
A R S O N A L...enough said!!
Ilmac has talent, but he was drunk, and didn't use his full talent. This is one of Arsonal's best performances ever. His third round is legendary, one for the books. I can't believe he brought such a heavy arsonal of bars against Ilmac in that round. The very definition of "bodying" an opponent. His brand name scheme was literally brilliant. God fucking damn those were some scorching bars.
What's the general consensus here? Did Charlie Clips take it? :)
Gy
+Jay Harper he edged it 2-1
Charlie Clips is life. He is the harbinger of destruction and rebuilding. Bin Yahweh NWX Clips, father of DNA the Toothless
"I fuck you up,all kicks,while rocking Passion Of Christ sandals." Lol
instead of "woooo" you sayin "owwww" that's the ric flair backwards lmfaoooo
Corny
11:14 "you aint never see O-red battle Surf, or see Surf battle Suge, or see Suge battle me, coz we dont do that in da hood...."
4 years later....
Nath Anter Swear I was thinking the same thing
Nath Anter on his league 😂😂😂😂
It took 4 years tho
Ars got him a mean body.
I don't think him being drunk had ANYTHING to do with this 3rd round. I think Ars got under his skin and had him pissed off and thinking too hard. Ars won but it's a little wack how he be more touchy and closer to people he know ain't about that life. He gets in everyone's face to an extent but does it with a different demeanor vs certain pple...... smh
Na id agree if I seen illmac drunk any other time in a battle but he clearly is drunk an was tryin to do flips an forgot his verse if he wasn't drinkin idk if that would of happened ill take illmac at his word he said he was drunk so since hes neer choked before ill believe him!
rich merchant if that's the case then why did he remember round 1 and 2 damn near flawlessly. I understand what ure saying. But I think arsonal really got to him. Illmac wasnt even as cool as he normally is battling. U can tell he was kinda pissed
Chad Hampton He was drinking during the battle though XD
Illlmac wasn't on his A game and Ars was. Simple as that.
because he cut him off during his round for times and asked a question would of fucked anyone up i would of hit him and im patient lol
Damn...Arsonal 3-0. Illmaculate's first two rounds were cool, but he fell off in the third. Arsonal's 'Metta World Peace' and 'Soap' bars were killers
Lol. The soap bars were corny
youll never see surf battle suge ...ars you got some explaining to do
I'm looking at all these comments and even if illmaculate had arsonals delivery he still sounds like a corny weirdo
Mac is corny as fuck! 2024
It's sad I knew illmac was dead once I seen ars in the thumbnail -.-...
This is the first time I watched this battle the whole way through, and I say Ars got it, but it was by no means a demolishing. Both verses for the first two runs were on point, although I preferred Ars subject matter a tad more, and then the 3rd went to Ars, clean. However, Ill came pretty slick. I love his confidence, and the slow, clear, and potent approach in his presence. Sometimes it works to his advantage, sometimes it doesn't.
2 years later and it's still crazy to see Illmac die like that against a quote unquote gun bar rapper jeez 3-0 Ars no debating Illmac is nice don't get me wrong he has some classic performances but this night he got gis bodybag put in a bodybag
Everyone says he was to fucked up buy that's his bad causr the sober ILL would be killed Ars
@@707ridah Woulda coulda shoulda. True professionals don't make excuses like females. Man up and take that 3-0 execution like a G.
@@HoustonIsImmortal wanna know what else true professionals don't do? Bitch about the money at the venue, tell the league owner you ain't battling, then magically agree to the battle well over an hour and a half later when their opponent, who was told that they weren't gonna,be battling anymore that night, is drunk.
So take that professional shit and get the fuck outta here with it because you obviously have zero clue of the shit that arsonal pulled.
@@b3a5t89 so what he stopped writing for ars??? His fault
@@chuckobucko2896 Wow, you really don’t have any clue about what you’re talking about, do you? Did you watch the pay per view for the event? No? Ok then.
All that shit that I said happened THE DAY OF THE EVENT. As in, the rounds were prepped on both sides. Arsonal pulled some diva shit when it was time for him and Ill to battle, KOTD went forward with the last battle on the card, Diz vs Canibus, and then, at minimum, an hour after saying he wasn’t gonna do the battle and that information being relayed to Illmac who then drank because why the fuck wouldn’t he, he wasn’t gonna be battling, Arsonal agreed to do the battle.
If you’re gonna talk about something, it helps knowing what you’re talking about.
this crowd was weak as fuck!! Ars was on fire
Wow I'm from Oregon and love illmac, but holy shit. Ars bodied him. I've never seen illmac get destroyed like dat.
Watch him vs. Conceited or Hollow
Watch him vs. Carter Deems
Uncomfortable that 3rd round....illmac is fire but he's so drunk everyone around is uncomfortable they all know
I have soooo much respect for Immaculate. Extremely intelligent & dynamic. Role model material.
@ISTYLES11 this comment is literally 10 years old dumbass , probably older than you too 😂 you the only one over here “glazing” anything
@ISTYLES11 all these comments is old they just boomers wait for the MK reference.
Imagine calling an alcoholic a role model 😂😂
19:08 killed immaculate
I swear my phone fucking knows me I was thinking about illmac first round vs Arsonal earlier today and here it is on my recommended shit. Every time I think about a battle or a video or even a artist RUclips puts it on there for me to watch
That whole video was dope. Ars had some hella witty shit to say, I find how he bounces between references and gunplay on the same scheme. Mac had a good flow to demonstrate and hella pointed shit out but the way ars freestyled rebuttals was all class.
21:38 the wordplay 🔥🔥🔥🔥
illmac needs a rematch sober and come back for a rematch that was hard to watch mac is way better than that
No he wasn’t he’s mediocre as he is
@@ccf3195 are you kidding? He's pretty much in everyone's top ten pen list.
@@eugeneslaven9291 top ten??? That’s too much. Top 5 pens if anything and he’s not top 5
Mac is corny
@@ccf3195 illmaculate is far from
Mediocre.
Your clock tickin
When it's beef my block thicken
Got a long-nose Glock
And its competing with Scott Pippin When that long-nose Pop
I just say it's snot dripping
Everything red on the scene
But the beam the dot different🔥🔥
-Ars
All the book worms think Illmac won. Arsonal CLEARLY annihilated this man.
all the basic ass bums holding down jobs at burger king think ARS won. ill clearly outclassed this dude- as expected.
Cold Stare lol who's really mad here?
newyorkaces of your dumbass cant comprehend complex rhymes, then dont even formulate an opinion. K thanks
D Paek Complex rhymes? You can barely construct a sentence. What the fuck are you talking about...
newyorkaces half of ars shit was generic gun lines...real boring. He got called out for being a bitch pretending to be thug and didnt rebuttal shit except for the third over detroit. He ruined the third round from his boring part to interupting ill.
organic and gully didnt react at all while illmac was spitting !!!!
Dam...Arsonal killed him...lol
easy win...but truly a mismatch.
Not a mismatch at all, illmac is one of the best to ever do it, everyone has a bad night and illmac had a bad night, not taking anything way from ars by the way, he was fire.
OMG Arsonal is officially on my TOP 5!!!! The wow factor you are !!!
Ill mac a weirdo, bro. Body language speaks volumes
Damn 3-0 ars. I knew ars was gone fuck him up.
We need a pt 2 to this. Give us a rematch
Not the same ars
I would pay a ticket to see a battle rap tour come through my city!
People are making way to many excuses for illmaculate . He took this loss and was able to make progression
Thankyou!!! Whether he had been drinking or not, his words are his words. He wrote everything for this battle and memorized it and said it. Having a little energy with a more sober mind isn't going to enhance words you wrote. If it's wack in comparison to the other guy's stuff he wrote, then it is what it is.
Ars completely got in his head I dont care how drunk he was
You said ars past his prime well he just retired you
He also arguably beat Bigg K, which almost nobody has done in the past few years, outside of Big Kannon.
@@jraymond1988 just beat Soul, Iron, JC and Chilla Jones too lol
Its funny people giving Illmac a pass for being drunk, if Ars was drunk and Illmac was sober would those same people be giving Ars the pass? Doubtful, peoples attempt to hide their bias is so transparent. It is blatantly obvious that Ars won this, he bullied him and it worked, next battle.
.... If the situation was the same. if mac said he wasn't going to battle than when Ars gets a little drunk he said he was gonna battle I'd call mac a bitch but he doesn't do the bullshit
He doesn't get a pass but ars did some dirty shit.
Me? haha fuck you :)
It's simple arsenal CHOSE to have a drunk opponent when he knew he would be sober if he said he would battle him. Used some low down dirty tricks to beat Illmac and he hardly beat a drunk man.
I'm pretty sure there is a ton of big bosses that would disagree with you. Organik is an example. Also no matter what you say Arsonal took an advantage of the system and is a little fucking bitch.
IMO put him in the URL against Charlie Clips and Tay Rock etc. He'd get torched. There's a reason why he doesn't battle people like that. If he was as nice as everyone thinks, then he'd be cookin those type of dudes.
years later it still makes me laugh how drunk ill is.
Illmaculate is a fkn G I've been watching him rap since waaaay back since it was him & thesaurus
For those saying Arsonal won, you must've not understood what Illmac rapped. He broke down Arsonal's entire character, especially in the 2nd round. 1st broke the midget slogan down, 2nd broke down his thug image. I think if Illmac wasn't drunk, his 3rd would've broke down Arsonal entirely. BUt as is, 2-1 Ilmac. Plus, I rate rebuttals as a huge hit if they connect, and not rebuttaling something huge as a big minus. Arsonal didn't debate anything Illmac said, just went back to his gun shit even after Illmac broke his thug image. The only thing that I found really hit was his hood rules scheme.
Kalamite you're a clown if bars went over any ones head it was yours; illmac had a terrible performance the entire battle, the only thing that was nice was the world peace rebuttal but other than that his shit was miserable. Arsonal absolutely murdered this man third degree, he was consistent the entire time, had a ton of hard hitting shit, he freestyled a little bit and was just all around far more appealing, you're a fool.
How can you possibly say illmac won 2-1? Did you even watch the battle? If you think the third round was the only round he didn't win then I think you need some serious medical attention because you're probably suffering from a concussion. Ars absolutely murdered Mac, and I'm a fan of his; but I have seen far better from illmac and it's clear that he got bodied here.
Matthew Melcher
Naw, all I heard in the first 2 rounds was his usual crip gun bars. only in the 3rd did he say anything direct to Illmac. Furthermore, Illmac broke Arsonal's character and his slogans down completely. That's why I gave Ill the first 2 rounds. Also, I'd prefer if you could talk respectfully instead of dissing my intelligence because of a difference in opinion. It only makes you look like the stupid one.
Dan Marzec
Yeah, I'm a fool because I have a differing opinion and prefer direct bars rather than the same gun bars every battle? Yeah, *I'M* the fool....
Yeah blame him he was drunk.. Fuck outta here, His fuck up he couldn't handle his drank lol. Boy got bodied stop trying to find excuses
"im a bulletproof tiger with wings" who the fuck can these be aimed at?
a bullet proof tiger with wings.
Illmaculate was too tipsy .
ha
Randhy nigga don't you EVER Diss Bob Saget ya heard? He be working them Night Moves on ya grams
what a bullshit excuse lmao
LiL man drinks a 40oz and blackout
707 SaV lmao
Second time watching this....
I'm an Illmaculate supporter and all I remembered was how it was kind of sad how Illmac was sloppy in the 3rd round and repeated stuff twice, hence not really wanting to see him perform badly again, but...
Upon watching it again, Illmaculate definitely smoked Ars in the first 2 rounds.
It wasn't as bad as I remembered, Illmac sorta got through his 3rd round and he at least ended it on his own terms.
Ars has some slick moments and how he can shift, but has so much recycle and filler in his rhymes, the lyrical dexterity and polish of his delivery, I just wish he had more content.
Great breakdown. I felt the same. That said, illmac 2-1 his 3rd was a bad choke and then he freestyled horribly to try to save it, I can't give him the round off of the first half even if the guilty conscience angle was fire
@@NoOne-hx9ir The denial is legendary. I hope you aren't in law school with this week ass argument.
Ars won 3-0 stop capping
@@HoustonIsImmortal no cap I thought Ill won tbh
Illmac was drunk
😂 he said "you have to be tough". To fake threat, and insult women and children and dead people who can't defend themselves? In a situation where people aren't allowed to punch you...yeah that's tough
Illmac didn’t choke. He just did his Mike Jones impression. Genius
Mac's third round is painful to watch
Whats funny is he referenced eminem songs than choked like b rabbit in 8 mile.
"What about our height makes you mad af?" Lmao .. classic battle
Ars killed this corny dude clearly
Get ur facts str8. The battle wasnt gonna happen so Illmac got faded, then Ars decided he was down to battle later that night.
arsonal is a BEAST
Illmaculate admitted to losing. Stop trying to give him the W. Even if illmaculate is a better rapper he lost this one. Simple as that
For those of y'all that don't know, this was right after the Canibus vs Dizaster battle...The battle was suppose to happen earlier, but Arsonal backed out because of an issue he had with the pay. Then Illmac said "Fuck it" and got wasted. After that Arsonal decided he would battle after all. The combo of a dead crowd after the Notebook and a drunk Illmaculate didn't lead to great things
Still makes sense even after 9yrs
youll never see surf battle suge ...ars you got some explaining to do
😂😂😂😂😂 no
excuses lmao 🤡
That drive by bar had me rolling 😂😂
3-0 to ars. but id be more than up for seeing a rematch. judged as well. illmac is usually much better than this, but ars dont do rematches or judged battles so its never gonna happen.... shame.
Skipped illmac's last round. He was whack as fuck
he was painful to watch in the last round and he ripped off both Immortal Tech and Eminem
Michael Loufus
your comment is how i know youre not a battle fan and youre just a nobody who jumped on to comment his two cents
"he ripped off immortal tech and eminem"
no he used them as a reference inside his bars to diss Arsonal... derrrrrrrr
start paying attention
The dude with no face calls me a "nobody".
Joke
i'm mainly referencing your stupidity in saying "he ripped off eminem"
i LOL'd so hard
he ripped them off.. more like used a reference as a diss
SMH
call me crazy but illmaculate had the better lyrics. especially in the first round. his delivery was fucked from bein drunk but arsonal didn't say anything that impressed me
Judging by the comments a lot feel the same.
u are crazy and probably short 😂😂
+Mathew Cottrell not crazy at all. anyone looking at this objectively would agree. and of course that's on Illmac for being drunk, but none the less, his actual lyrics were better. but lyrics are only half the battle, pardon the pun
Mathew Cottrell definitely not crazy
i am 42 and still watch battles...age not matter
12:40... that has to be the most white high five high five that i've ever seen!
Where I paused it at exactly 12:40 and don't see any high five? Can you tell me wym because I don't see it.
That’s a crip handshake 🤝 three up top Grape st 🍇 chit
@@milehighpodcast4486 keep watching it’s like 10-15 seconds later
Why does Illmaculate keep turnin his hat.
He was pertending to be two people dre and em it was genius
mismatch lmao..arsonal snapping
right
this is the best I've seen Arsonal battle. glad he did some good writing this time instead of his wack ass free's- which, by the way, illmac would've beasted
lol he killed shotty
specially
in the second
and 3 round was WHERE arsonal destroyed shotty lol
best arsonal i seen
woulda liked to see how this woulda went if Illmac was sober
Hope we see a rematch. ILL would body him
I guess im the only one that think Ars just KILLED ??
lol ars killed him
22:45 Gullys face when ill says he'll smack his ass lmfaoo
Out of all these comments. Only white people have said ars lost
How would u know
Cause your mom said so
That's true shit. They be stating "ill won 3-0", and I be here like "wtf was you watching?!?!?
true.hooper nba
u dumb
Arsonal is so wickety wack to me. 😫😫 please cancel him out.
Arsonoal won but he says the sane thing every time just how 2 kill people in creative fashions its getting old
Man that's jus battle rap period it's entertainment
arsonal is the best battle rapper today and most viewed in america
for a reason
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his bars are crazy and he spit fast
combines alot of words
and hit you with his words in your soul
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watch ill his face at the end he almost cried
Illmac lost and its a shame because the crowd was wack both ways when both emcees had dope stuff. Arsonal edged first 2 slightly and 3rd was obviously his. I think it was debatable for illmac to win the first or second round, but the crowd was really boring overall. Arsonal won either way 2-1 or 3-0.
Finally somebody who is not biased.Finally somebody who judges how it is supposed to be done.
:| edged? You seriously think Arsonal only "edged" the first 2 rounds!? I'm far from biased, except against Dotmob at times, but Arsonal won EVERY round by a Calicoe landslide. And to show you how unbiased I am, I was thinking that Bigg K was gonna win easily against Illmaculate, but I gave a slight edge to Ill and gave him that battle. Ill was very, very poor in this battle, very poor. You have to be a fan of Ill or something...
illmac was tore up but he still spit 2 quality rounds.. he came with those real bars and arsonal went hard too.. cant give it to either one but illmac get little handicap for being so twisted and sounding like he freestyled a good amount of bars.
Mac was drunk and barely got through the battle that is evident. The battle was jot going to happen hence mac got drunk, last minute it was put back on at the end of the night. Ars had every right to not battle without his money KOTD messed up if that the story. They should have a rematch especially since Mac is killing everyone recently. It would be a great battle
Now Ars once said......that he doesn't do rematches
sbj97 thats true lol
sbj97 He had a re-match against Dizaster...
sbj97 He's rematching with Shotty in May.
@@50eathaters Pat Stay too
22:15 IS THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER "RIIIIIGGGGGH-TIME NIGGA!!!"
if you say mac one, you probably a white kotd fan
If u think ar won you don't listen to real rap
Aye, I'm white and I'm with ars on this one!
illmac bodied hard
FIEND r u sayn he got bodied or bodied arsonal?
FIEND never mind I just watched the whole battle..yer sayn illmac got bodied..it was close till he choked in the 3rd round
ARS 3-0
If you take out Illmac's third, this would have been a legendary battle.
I can't argue with however anyone scored the first two rounds, but I had it 1-1 going to the third, with Ill taking the second and Ars edging the first.
But even if you had it 2-0 Illmac, which is not crazy, he lost that third round so bad, you can't really say he beat Ars. And Ars came strong every round.
Ars
am I the only one that noticed how all of the reaction for Arsonal's bars came from his boys? he only got this battle because Illmac was wasted. nothing very impressive from Arsonal, just a good line here and there
+JSwanKilowJ so... you come to a battle wasted and that is an excuse for losing??? really.... look man i like both guys equal but dont say that shit; you dont make excuses. you go into a battle to win and if ill really wanted to win he woulda stayed sober. peace
+bakerbrown6 no one is making excuses. it's just a fact. if Illmaculate wasn't completely plastered, this battle would've been a lot more debatable. just stating the facts
+JSwanKilowJ you're actually stating a very ignorant opinion. him being wasted doesn't change the WRITTEN lyrics he spit. he spit the same lyrics he would've spit if he was 'sober' minus one or two freestyle lines, this is a written league dude stop making excuses
+Lostfoundandlostagainthenfoundagain not at all. I don't get why everyone keeps saying I'm making "excuses" when I'm clearly not. my point is actually very valid as a matter of fact. battling is more than just the lines you write, it's also how you deliver them. it's about your presence, how you can command the audience. you can have superior lines to your opponent, but if you deliver them in a piss poor manner, you won't get the crowd behind you. I've watched this battle start to finish multiple times already. Arsonal did not have the crowd captivated. almost all of the reaction he got was from his crew. if Illmac had a strong performance, Arsonal would not have won. this is exactly why I say what gave Arsonal the W was Illmac being drunk and having a poor performance. and I'm right about this.
+JSwanKilowJ I'm surprised by that breakdown, I respect it. I also commented before watching this battle again. hear me out, when this battle came out the battle rap scene was COMPLETELY different than how it is now and honestly by the standards back then illmac got bodied. The whole double/triple entendre and schemes were pretty rare in those days. as I rewatched this battle in 2016 it didn't seem like a bodybag at all because Ars' wordplay seems very rudimentary- and illmac came at him with angles and shit which was a little ahead of his time. So I agree with you going by today's standards, but going back to how battle rap was THEN I would still say illmac got bodied. Peace
Ars 3-0. Illmac is kinda trash. His third round was definitely the definition of trash
LMAO
you're a if you think that illmac is trash.
beastson His delivery is lame and his energy is idle. He's pretty good lyrically though.
illmac is trash? wow you dont know much about illmac to say his is trash.
Rob Mac I meant to say this battle he was trash. Cuz he did good against Clips.
"You'll never see Surf battle Suge" 😂😂🤣
dat nigga illmac was a lil too tispy at the last round
Ilmac has to be the corniest battler ever. Multis for no reason, wack delivery, and that dream shit in the bigg k battle has to be the most overhyped garbage in KOTD history.
"multis for no reason"
LOL That's the worst n corniest shxt I've ever read...for no reason WTF
+Nkcubeko Mgodeli I feel like I should elaborate. By for no reason I mean Multi filler, multi punchline, just multis that overall feel forced. His delivery is horrible though kind of kid twist esque and is made to look even worse when he's rapping in the same time frame as B magic and Ice. I enjoyed him in Scribble Jam way back, but I feel his style is outdated kind of like Mook. But if you like him that's fine he's a vet.
Papa Grande you know, it's funny reading all the hate for these guys from people who are in no position to criticize and even know real talent because 90 percent of you guys can't do what they do so why not just watch who we want and if you think somone sucks then just don't watch but don't act like you can do better or even half as well as them.
Danny Lavala I'll admit I absolutely hate Illmaculate's style. I believe it was dope back in 2004-2009 but it irks me now and feel as if it is dated in this day and age. But it's stupid to say I'm in no "position to criticize". Like do you have to be a chef to criticize a meal you don't like or a director to talk shit about a bad movie? Just my thoughts. Also I'm just airing out my grievances, Illmac will continue to battle and do his thing no matter what I or anyone in these comments say.
Ars 3-0
That was funny
Ars: you'll never see surf battle suge
Everyone 5 years later: 🐸 🍵