Also, not sure if this is a bug, but whenever I mirror match Executor in fleet Arena, if either me or my opponent has XB in our starting Lineup, or even both, the defending Punishing One will always start under stealth, while your Punishing One will not be under stealth, and Breached instead...
@@Akial2935 In that situation, if I don't bring XB, then I should be under stealth normally... As then it'll start with opponent XB stealth, My P1 steals it, opponent's P1 steals it, my P1 steals it back...
@@FallenChaos I've gotten the stealth on a few occasions and when I do get it its funny because xb is stealthed aswell... And I get the stealth always against the same people its just weird... Speed has nothing to do with it because one person has more and another is tied with me... And cg is just ignoring anything p1 related after their update post
pretty sure Hounds Tooth in the starting Lineup with the Punishing One will reduce the counters a little to mid because if they keep targeting the P1, then Hounds Tooth will start Taunting
Early tests would suggest Finalizer has a better chance of winning if HT is starting. Sort of like before. Some Exec lineups are better vs some and worse vs others.
I faced that and used finalizer, and pretty easily (especially as a first try) got out HT, P1, XB, and Slave 1. If my silencer had survived one hit, would have been a win. Definitely possible for finalizer to pick it apart
I faced the exact fleet defense last round gac.. I ran levi vs executor PO Negotiator vs profundity Chimaera vs levi. It was only a 6 star PO but it was brutal..
Executrix works better than it did historically here because at least one TIE Fighter is basically guaranteed to die. That didn’t always happen previously and Scythe was a self limiting addition to the fleet.
Hi Ahnaldt! the decision of who to reinforce with, is about whether or not you have some ship with "breach"(in that case, boba always join the party), thats why when you get plo, they call HT, or any other ship.
Another thing: it seems like p1 unique also gets activated when the ship is in reinforcements but not reinforced yet. Fought a regular exec with finalizer (it had p1 in reinforcements which I couldn‘t see). Usually a r7 hux will always outrun a r9 piett for the first reinforcement but here they called in boba before I could call sftf. So it seems p1 already gave the speed buff to exec even though it shouldn’t
The anti stealth mechanic on P1 is overall pretty confusing. I've tested multiple different lineups of Executor+P1 vs Executor+P1 and my own P1 never started out under stealth while my opponents P1 always did. It didn't matter if my opponent had XB in the starting lineup, I had XB in the starting lineup or even if all my ships (inculing reinforcement) where only bounty hunters. It kinda feels like someone just theorycrafted the kit for P1 and released it to live servers without ever actually testing it ingame.
Negotiator counter against Executor-P1 is helpful for players who don't have Scythe ready to counter. Bravo Ahnald. But ngl those battles are quite pyrrhic...😮
@AhnaldT101 I've been doing a fair bit of testing and want your take on it! Do you think the a 7star Punishing one with the Hounds Tooth in the starting line up will be more Deadly then the Triple Attacker line up The Triple Attacker Line up seems to have a more open window of viability from more fleets compared to the Hounds Tooth in the starting line up Yes the contract is a little slower but with all the cleansing and passing taunt over to Hounds Tooth shuts down most of these counters. The only one that is consistent is pulling the Levi Fleet and saving the MK6 Interceptor (2nd Reinforcement)for the Insta kills on a ship and Ship take over Everyone is Posting Videos about the Triple attackers but no one is posting about the Hounds Tooth in the Start. LLTKE and the content is always a Banger Fiddy
Pros/Cons with both. Right now the consensus is triple attacker is best. Could change as this sits in the wild more. Generally, Hound's Tooth felt weaker in the starting lineup because Finalizer has an easier time. Again, limited testing so far.
@@AhnaldT101 I'm in agreement with you. Ill keep you updated, since I'm letting my group to put HT in the start I myself got 3 holds with this variant also
Great content ahnald, keep up the good work. Are you planning on doing a new video about fleets ranked or are you going to wait for a new capital ship to be released?
Thanks! Honestly, not much has really changed with fleets since I did an updated list. Only change would be Executor is better than Profundity but that is it. We did not get enough ship changes to warrant a new video. Not sure if there would be interest in it.
Y apologise if this has been covered but I was wondering why at 14:22 you use Ahsoka basic rather then her ability to remove the debuff and get some protection and counter buff?
the negoiator vs levi is one i always do. fun to 1-shot but normally a 2-shot but works well enough or me. but I hate when anakin cant land the heal block
Does profundity beat this line up anymore? That was my only counter before this broken ship lol i can beat 3 star but once it’s 4 star im beaten everytime. Just had to do a clean up in GAC and sitting in top 20 in my fleet.
Hey Ahnald. What would you do instead vs a hounds tooth in the starting line up and low star punishing one? HT gets taunt up before nego being able to go all in on punishing one soaking up a turn. Any advice?
Best I can tell you is go into fleet arena and try for yourself! Tarkin's relic is not the most important to relic but it is a better fleet to relic up Tarkin.
Man i wish the cis fleet was a meta cause i foolishly went full tilt on it id love a lifter dont know how id work but a tri-fighter with a shield skipping special medium laser cannon of corse discord missle and the standard is a quick shot from the wing cannons mounted weapons and a passive of it having a high dodge rate due to the droid being the fastest fighter of its era
@@cannibalraptor the hmp could have an ability to summon a small group of super rocket battle droids Discord missles and passive perk of heavy shielding that regens slowly and it taunts to distract targeting from the other droid fighters
I tried this and they went after Marauder instead of Rex and the counter fell apart. It was a 4 star P1 and my BB are G12 so there is a point the strategy doesn’t work.
I'd personally argue that Holdo may be a better 3rd defense fleet over Profundity Profundity loses too easily to malevolence Holdo on the other hand: Malevolence is the main counter, but it can very easily go wrong and you get bad banners if you win Outside of that your other counters are the GLs, empire, and negotiator (same as profun) TLDR: Malevolence struggles more with Holdo than profun. Creating more of a chance to hold and you would get a GL fleet on offense without any nerf to your defense
@soundshot8771 no decent player that is capable of beating prof with malev would lose to holdo with malev. Just hard disagree. Malev vs prof has lots of rng and that is the ONLY counter if they set all 3 gl ships and so did you. You can even finalizer holdo...
@@jack1best fair enough. I didn't know about the finalizer thing since I haven't seen anything about it, but as far as .gg data shows it's not the most consistent either (30-50% win rates with a few exceptions), so that's like saying finalizer is good against malevolence (another risky battle) Also profun on offense is great for banners since you can undersize most mid level fleets some people put on defense
Really frustrating how the add one ship like this and it completely changes the game, no thought about how theres no creativity with fleets just meta meta meta
Don't need to use Rex specifically. Try some other ships and see what works for you. As long as Marauder survives in the beginning that is all that matters.
My problem with Punishing One add is that the Executor ran the game for a long time....and people farmed Counters to the stupid thing...just to have them switch the executor back to the top. F*&#@ this game.
Try out some other ships like 5s. It could be dependent on relic levels. Rex is not mandatory but just some ship to take the heat. Even if they go for Marauder you'll be fine.
Very nice counters. Could you also make a video on how to counter the Hounds Tooth, Razor Crest, Punishing One starting lineup. I know most people are still using the triple attacker lineup on defence, but it seems that without the tank in the starting lineup it’s making the executor more vulnerable to these off meta counters. Maybe the triple attacker lineup is still the best starting defensive lineup, maybe it isn’t, but I would be interested in seeing how Hounds Tooth in the starting lineup affects these types of counters. Most videos I have seen so far are how to counter the triple attacker lineup.
@@cuttlefish6839 Have we seen finalizer vs executor with a 7-star punishing one, hounds tooth starting? A 7-star on punishing one may make it able to survive the opening hits to force the taunt on Hounds Tooth and/or be able to outrun Kylo Ren’s command shuttle so that the Tie Silencer can’t get its second big hit off and kill it before the taunt goes up. This is good information for the long term as most all players with executor will have a 7-star punishing one in a couple of months anyways.
The Punishing One is custom made to break my fleet arena strategy, I've been doing well against Executor teams with Defender. But Punishing One kills that strategy dead. I also spent crystals 3 times to buy Punishing One shards ...... I got 5 every time. CG hates me.
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The problem with testing is I would like to figure things like this out myself, but I can’t afford to waste crystals and potentially 1st place in fleet arena to test things out
Where is Baylan Skoll. Where is GL Ashoka? No really, what is going on. CG not interested in making money? It’s like the shop is closed for renovation only this is taking waaaay too long. That is a sign of a dying game.
2:59 Rex carry right there !!!
Rex: "We're meant to be expendable!"
Me: "Yes."
(Plo Koon did not like that)
@@AhnaldT101that’s why plo isn’t in the starting lineup
i've sniffed too much glue as a child to memorize these ship counters nowadays
Respect for casually spending 300+ crystals to prove a point
Wow only 9 million likes, swgoh has fallen so hard even the best admiral cant carry it
Thanks for taking the time and crystals for figuring this out for us emperor. We appreciate you
It's GONK! to be in the Empire, today.
GONK!
Also, not sure if this is a bug, but whenever I mirror match Executor in fleet Arena, if either me or my opponent has XB in our starting Lineup, or even both, the defending Punishing One will always start under stealth, while your Punishing One will not be under stealth, and Breached instead...
When game loads in it does enemy uniques first, so his triggers, then you try to stealth which causes him to dispel it and breach
You'll also notice both of you have breach, my guild mate to a screen shot of it
@@Akial2935 In that situation, if I don't bring XB, then I should be under stealth normally...
As then it'll start with opponent XB stealth, My P1 steals it, opponent's P1 steals it, my P1 steals it back...
@@FallenChaos I've gotten the stealth on a few occasions and when I do get it its funny because xb is stealthed aswell... And I get the stealth always against the same people its just weird... Speed has nothing to do with it because one person has more and another is tied with me... And cg is just ignoring anything p1 related after their update post
I think autocorrect got you there with “Punshing One”
pretty sure Hounds Tooth in the starting Lineup with the Punishing One will reduce the counters a little to mid because if they keep targeting the P1, then Hounds Tooth will start Taunting
Early tests would suggest Finalizer has a better chance of winning if HT is starting. Sort of like before. Some Exec lineups are better vs some and worse vs others.
I faced that and used finalizer, and pretty easily (especially as a first try) got out HT, P1, XB, and Slave 1. If my silencer had survived one hit, would have been a win. Definitely possible for finalizer to pick it apart
Hounds Tooth in the starting lineup is easy to counter by Endurance.
@@Kotkii11 Could you elaborate on what the starting Endurance lineup would be?
@@sirdactyl Marauder, BTL and Fives, First Reinforce Plo Koon, second JKA.
I faced the exact fleet defense last round gac..
I ran levi vs executor PO
Negotiator vs profundity
Chimaera vs levi.
It was only a 6 star PO but it was brutal..
even the droids aren’t here this early !
Executrix works better than it did historically here because at least one TIE Fighter is basically guaranteed to die. That didn’t always happen previously and Scythe was a self limiting addition to the fleet.
8:42 “don’t get it twisted”
northern lion reference?!!!
19:09 Bugproof since 2015 !
Very welcome review of fleets after PO.
Great video! The creator was Vexitron btw. Any luck against HT starting?
Hi Ahnaldt! the decision of who to reinforce with, is about whether or not you have some ship with "breach"(in that case, boba always join the party), thats why when you get plo, they call HT, or any other ship.
Another thing: it seems like p1 unique also gets activated when the ship is in reinforcements but not reinforced yet. Fought a regular exec with finalizer (it had p1 in reinforcements which I couldn‘t see). Usually a r7 hux will always outrun a r9 piett for the first reinforcement but here they called in boba before I could call sftf. So it seems p1 already gave the speed buff to exec even though it shouldn’t
4:42 fairly certain its just that you cant stealth while marked/taunting
I show the example at 20:25. There was no taunt or mark.
@@AhnaldT101thanks CG.
The anti stealth mechanic on P1 is overall pretty confusing. I've tested multiple different lineups of Executor+P1 vs Executor+P1 and my own P1 never started out under stealth while my opponents P1 always did. It didn't matter if my opponent had XB in the starting lineup, I had XB in the starting lineup or even if all my ships (inculing reinforcement) where only bounty hunters.
It kinda feels like someone just theorycrafted the kit for P1 and released it to live servers without ever actually testing it ingame.
WHAT!!! You telling me CG left a bug with the new ship? 😱 😂
Negotiator counter against Executor-P1 is helpful for players who don't have Scythe ready to counter. Bravo Ahnald.
But ngl those battles are quite pyrrhic...😮
Dont forget the leviathan counter may change with the upcoming tie dagger changes that they mentioned.
@AhnaldT101
I've been doing a fair bit of testing and want your take on it!
Do you think the a 7star Punishing one with the Hounds Tooth in the starting line up will be more Deadly then the Triple Attacker line up
The Triple Attacker Line up seems to have a more open window of viability from more fleets compared to the Hounds Tooth in the starting line up
Yes the contract is a little slower but with all the cleansing and passing taunt over to Hounds Tooth shuts down most of these counters.
The only one that is consistent is pulling the Levi Fleet and saving the MK6 Interceptor (2nd Reinforcement)for the Insta kills on a ship and Ship take over
Everyone is Posting Videos about the Triple attackers but no one is posting about the Hounds Tooth in the Start.
LLTKE and the content is always a Banger
Fiddy
send this in the Live stream video also
Pros/Cons with both. Right now the consensus is triple attacker is best. Could change as this sits in the wild more. Generally, Hound's Tooth felt weaker in the starting lineup because Finalizer has an easier time. Again, limited testing so far.
@@AhnaldT101 I'm in agreement with you. Ill keep you updated, since I'm letting my group to put HT in the start
I myself got 3 holds with this variant also
You can hit the clear fleet button rather than clicking on all the ships.
There is several bugs with the p1 if u reinforce with the p1 enemy out of turn attacks does not lower the cooldown of wanted dead...
is it worth getting Dengar past relic 5 to relic 7? will it make Punisher a lot better?
This Comp of galactic republic will not work. Unless your bad batch is relic 7, relic 5 BB and BTL will not take down even a 6 star PO.
Great content ahnald, keep up the good work. Are you planning on doing a new video about fleets ranked or are you going to wait for a new capital ship to be released?
Thanks! Honestly, not much has really changed with fleets since I did an updated list. Only change would be Executor is better than Profundity but that is it. We did not get enough ship changes to warrant a new video. Not sure if there would be interest in it.
Great video, Thanks king of triple B!
Did you try taking out y-wing at the start? Curious if other starting line ups work. Same idea with first rein being JKA?
Y apologise if this has been covered but I was wondering why at 14:22 you use Ahsoka basic rather then her ability to remove the debuff and get some protection and counter buff?
Ahsoka is isolated so she can't gain buffs
@@moaazalnaggary4536 thank you for clarifying that.
Like the grand inquisitors ship,i think hey will change the target priority..
5:15 Is this fight lingers on Anakin applying buff immunity here?
If Hound's Tooth isn't with Executor, couldn't you use it with Finalizer or some other potential counter?
Should I spend crystals to get Piet to r9? My guild can't get the materials
No, there is no point on it
If your guild can't get R9 mats, don't waste it on something is niche
the negoiator vs levi is one i always do. fun to 1-shot but normally a 2-shot but works well enough or me. but I hate when anakin cant land the heal block
Does profundity beat this line up anymore? That was my only counter before this broken ship lol i can beat 3 star but once it’s 4 star im beaten everytime. Just had to do a clean up in GAC and sitting in top 20 in my fleet.
26.7K ENERGY?! What a flex
GL Ahsoka ready!
@@AhnaldT101 I spent almost 25k for Rey ! 💀
What do you use vs profundity if you use scythe vs executor?
Hey Ahnald. What would you do instead vs a hounds tooth in the starting line up and low star punishing one? HT gets taunt up before nego being able to go all in on punishing one soaking up a turn.
Any advice?
I showed that in my first video last week vs lower star Punshing Ones with Hound's Tooth! ruclips.net/video/blLzrhXW7o4/видео.html&t
@@AhnaldT101 Missed that one, Thanks!
What happens if they only have slave one as a reinforcement, does plo still do the job?
could you not put ht in the reinforcements to complicate the negotiator counter?
I don’t understand how people figure these things out, like who thinks of Rex and Tarkin? Like how?
Thanks to that ship, they'll add ships omicrons 😂
Is there going to be video about omicrons?
Ahnald please use the "Clear fleet" button instead of clicking on every ship one by one 😭
I'm really struggling against a Hounds Tooth, Razor Crest, Punishing One start in fleets
Will Tarkin need to be reliced for this counter to work, or would G12 suffice?
Best I can tell you is go into fleet arena and try for yourself! Tarkin's relic is not the most important to relic but it is a better fleet to relic up Tarkin.
@@AhnaldT101 Unfortunately my fleet shard is full of leviathans haha, I'll take him to G12 and see how he does next time exec pops up in grand arena
I did it with G12 Tarkin and Tie Fighter pilot consistently, Executrix had its lead and first special maxed.
Man i wish the cis fleet was a meta cause i foolishly went full tilt on it id love a lifter dont know how id work but a tri-fighter with a shield skipping special medium laser cannon of corse discord missle and the standard is a quick shot from the wing cannons mounted weapons and a passive of it having a high dodge rate due to the droid being the fastest fighter of its era
Also potential with the droid gunship
@@cannibalraptor the hmp could have an ability to summon a small group of super rocket battle droids
Discord missles and passive perk of heavy shielding that regens slowly and it taunts to distract targeting from the other droid fighters
I tried this and they went after Marauder instead of Rex and the counter fell apart. It was a 4 star P1 and my BB are G12 so there is a point the strategy doesn’t work.
Loved the idea though!
Just tried executrix against a 6* and got absolutely obliterated lol
I think what has to happen now if you set 3 gl ships and you fight 3,
Executrix vs Exec
Nego vs Levi and clean with holdo
Malev vs Prof
I'd personally argue that Holdo may be a better 3rd defense fleet over Profundity
Profundity loses too easily to malevolence
Holdo on the other hand: Malevolence is the main counter, but it can very easily go wrong and you get bad banners if you win Outside of that your other counters are the GLs, empire, and negotiator (same as profun)
TLDR: Malevolence struggles more with Holdo than profun. Creating more of a chance to hold and you would get a GL fleet on offense without any nerf to your defense
@soundshot8771 no decent player that is capable of beating prof with malev would lose to holdo with malev. Just hard disagree.
Malev vs prof has lots of rng and that is the ONLY counter if they set all 3 gl ships and so did you. You can even finalizer holdo...
@@jack1best fair enough. I didn't know about the finalizer thing since I haven't seen anything about it, but as far as .gg data shows it's not the most consistent either (30-50% win rates with a few exceptions), so that's like saying finalizer is good against malevolence (another risky battle)
Also profun on offense is great for banners since you can undersize most mid level fleets some people put on defense
@@soundshot8771 I havent seen non triple GL fleets in a long time. so must just be a lower GAC lvl thing
@@jack1best It's a lot more common of an occurrence that you would think
First tried and they went for Marauder...so naah, they don't always go for rex
Algorithm food because I have no other choice!
Why not ywing basic to save dispel for slave 1?
Sometimes the basic is not enough to finishing Punishing One. Better safe than sorry. If P1 is already dead because of Marauder sure then!
So aowmeme czrzy I love it
Really frustrating how the add one ship like this and it completely changes the game, no thought about how theres no creativity with fleets just meta meta meta
Don’t reinforce immediately do unending loyalty then reinforce after the exec has brought out a reinforcement
I tried that but it feels way better with Plo as reinforcement so far.
Negotiator counter failed for me. Enemy Executor fleet did NOT go for Rex first 🤷♂️
Don't need to use Rex specifically. Try some other ships and see what works for you. As long as Marauder survives in the beginning that is all that matters.
Why isn't the hounds tooth in your reinforcements
So I can guarantee Boba comes out first. Testing things out so idk if I’ll keep doing it this way.
My problem with Punishing One add is that the Executor ran the game for a long time....and people farmed Counters to the stupid thing...just to have them switch the executor back to the top. F*&#@ this game.
Exec is not atacking rex with his mass swarm.
Try out some other ships like 5s. It could be dependent on relic levels. Rex is not mandatory but just some ship to take the heat. Even if they go for Marauder you'll be fine.
Literally none of these matter for me… I’ve been beating all of these with Endurance. Don’t matter to me.
Very nice counters. Could you also make a video on how to counter the Hounds Tooth, Razor Crest, Punishing One starting lineup.
I know most people are still using the triple attacker lineup on defence, but it seems that without the tank in the starting lineup it’s making the executor more vulnerable to these off meta counters.
Maybe the triple attacker lineup is still the best starting defensive lineup, maybe it isn’t, but I would be interested in seeing how Hounds Tooth in the starting lineup affects these types of counters. Most videos I have seen so far are how to counter the triple attacker lineup.
Funny enough finalizer wants HT at the start to prevent that taunt early then get around to nuking p1
@@cuttlefish6839
Have we seen finalizer vs executor with a 7-star punishing one, hounds tooth starting?
A 7-star on punishing one may make it able to survive the opening hits to force the taunt on Hounds Tooth and/or be able to outrun Kylo Ren’s command shuttle so that the Tie Silencer can’t get its second big hit off and kill it before the taunt goes up.
This is good information for the long term as most all players with executor will have a 7-star punishing one in a couple of months anyways.
@@neblleb7895Yeah I'm curious as well. I feel like 7 star P1 might make things harder for Finalizer, even with HT in the lineup.
The Punishing One is custom made to break my fleet arena strategy, I've been doing well against Executor teams with Defender. But Punishing One kills that strategy dead.
I also spent crystals 3 times to buy Punishing One shards ...... I got 5 every time. CG hates me.
59-5 in my fleet arena shard all because of P-1, it’s so fun
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Um... Okay?
lol you lost me at make sure your peitt is relic 9
I was referring to your opponent's relic 9. I pointed that out because things are way more complicated vs Relic 9 than an 8 Piett.
What is dis titel for a video
First
Captain brexit
Why????? Can’t we just have a freaking counter less Executor. Wow it’s just awful having to actually send profundity or Leviathan against Executor
Don’t think Profundity works against P1 Executor either
Poop
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This looks like the stupidest waste of time of a game.
The problem with testing is I would like to figure things like this out myself, but I can’t afford to waste crystals and potentially 1st place in fleet arena to test things out
Where is Baylan Skoll. Where is GL Ashoka? No really, what is going on. CG not interested in making money? It’s like the shop is closed for renovation only this is taking waaaay too long. That is a sign of a dying game.
Baylan was estimated to be next week. Ahsoka is a long time away still.
@73edg Baylan kit reveal is likely next week, and GL Ahsoka was said to be coming around the end of the year - so probably late November or December
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