hey guys, really sorry about the choppy footage throughout some of the video!! Sadly didn't notice it until everything was done and rendered but I figured out the issue for the next vid!
No worry Bro, I watched many well-known FH4 RUclipsrs, but they don't have the skills and knowledge you have in cars, I wish that you create a video explains every wheel settings and its affect.
Been driving with a TMX wheel on Horizon for ages, very tough to drift, but you have to adjust the advanced custom wheel settings, I tweaked my advanced settings for months before I got the right feel and now I regularly get podium finishes.. (mainly racing on S1 or A class with no assists, full sim) It's very important to turn down/off re-centering force (center spring scale). Wheel rotation is set to 540. Turn the Vibration scale Way down but set the understeer and minimum force to max feel. That way you can feel when your tires are slidling but the vibration isn't so stiff it jerks you around. Wish I was near my xbox so i could just give you a full description but I'm just going off the top of my head atm. Edit: update with actual settings as I’m checking - not really set up for drifting, moreso rally racing and tarmac sprints/circuits. Steering Axis inside - 0 Steering Axis outside - 99 Steering Linearity - 50 Accel Axis Deadzone Inside - 0 Accel Axis DZ Outside - 100 Decel Axis Deadzone Inside - 0 Decel Axis Deadzone Outside - 100 E-Brake leave as is Vibration Scale - 2 (yes, that’s not a typo) Force Feedback Scale - 100 Center Spring - 1 Wheel Damper - 200 or full dampening FF Understeer - 26 FF Minimum Force - 100 Wheel Rotation - 540
Dude, thank you so much for posting this it just made my experience totally different, before I couldn't drive 1km and I already spun out, now I can feel when the car is slipping and instantly correct it
I bought my g920 and shifter for horizon 3. It's realistic. Clutch travel, Turing ratio, Suspension travel etc, are all noticed for each car. The thing is How do you drive a s1 car at 180 through country roads. You don't.. G forces won't allow it. And it's something you feel immediately when using a wheel in horizon. It takes practice and proper breaking. But I love trying to keep up with pad users in a realistic way.
Pretty much sums up Forza on PC. There are better options out there for wheel users, and it seems to be a theme. Once a gamer gets a wheel, Forza takes a back seat to some other title.
Pretty much agree with most things said in this video. I personally only use my g920 for cruising around the map in stick shift cars. The controller is just way faster and easier to use to the point where you'd need to put in 10x the amount of work to be as fast as you would be on controller, especially in the higher class cars. And don't even get me started on drifting, its a nightmare compared to Assetto Corsa.
After using a wheel for years, it's difficult to race with a pad. I haven't won a car since they started the playlist format. I try the races with both. But I'm more accurate with a wheel.
@@wavybump Of course wheels are more accurate, but a controller is almost OP compared to a wheel. Everything is faster and more direct, a wheel is precise but also bigger and thus slower. And I have to agree with ibanezs470dx when it comes to drifting. In Assetto Corsa I can drift no problems, even without ever touching the hydro brake, but Forza is just too far from reality. Controller drifting is fine, though.
I tried it a few weeks ago and it was impossible for me, just way too far from real life. The 90° turn angle is a joke and the cars have so much grip you think that all of them are secretly LMP cars. Even Gran Turismo 3 has more realistic physics than FH4 with its 'realisitc' settings. But hey, if it worked out for you ... I won't judge. ;)
If you are buying it mostly for fh4 I would recommend you buy the g920 instead of the g29 as fh4 doesn't show you the buttons that are on the wheels in the menus and settings etc and with the g920 being the Xbox version of the wheel he uses in this video you don't have to guess the buttons as they are the same as on the controller. I bought my g920 for fh3 originally and now use it in fh4 and I can confirm that you really need better settings as the stock ones are ok but not amazing
I have the same wheel, played through fh3 now on fh4. You need to get used to it play with the settings, it can be real hard for a while but a better wheel costs my life, and with controller its just not fun for me to play a game like this.
I got a logitech g920 yesterday, I'm 33 years old, been driving cars since I was 12, can drift pretty much anything IRL, was pretty damn good with a controller, jumped onto the wheel and I feel like I've never driven a car before. There is definitely a learning curve and its hard.
I feel the same. The game gives good road feel and such through bumps and surfaces but it just can't figured out cornering properly. It's like you are driving on egg shells in every corner. I watched a video on the camaro zl1 lapping Nurburgring paying close attention on the corner entry and exit speed and then compared that to what I could do on tight hair pins in the game. Even at 50 to 60 kilometres per hour ( I'm Canadian lol) the car was under steering around 45 degree turns and the amount of lock you have to use to make it turn right is way off. One can tune it out some but it just always seems that the game can't deal with cornering grip right. You always feel like the car is on ice in the corners and every input has to be way to gentle. Still love the game but if you are going with a wheel be prepared to spend some time to get it so it's at least fun and drivable but not awesome.
@@shadlad91 Ae I'm A Kiwi so we use kilometres per hour too haha, but yeah your 100% right even at 40-50 kays the thing just spins round n round like a spinning top. I've tried using low power cars, like stupid low, stock standard AE86, and I still struggle. The only good feeling of drift I've had so far was with low powered cars on dirt roads.
@@Synthetic-Chicken I have been trying to dial it in since and its just not happening. This game just doesn't understand cornering principles. I built a Integra FWD type r maxed then tried racing and even though it is FWD it still wanted to overseer way way to much. Tried smoothly throttling off the apex and the type r just kept spinning out with stupid oversteer. I was getting angry because here I am racing a 420 hp FWD and yet some how it still kept drifting out on every turn . Uh its FWD so why is it over steering so bad as it should at least spinning front tires and under steering like crazy. I have done some real world racing and played every sim I can think of, gtr, gtr2, race o7, gt legends , project cars , Assetto corsa , ACC and much more. Saying that I dont like Forza H4 physics because any built car has this set tire model that thinks any cornering is a reason to induce snap over steering. I'm just sticking to cruising in this game as the racing part is just to out of wack with tire models and grip.
Mess with your settings until you find something you’re comfortable with. It’s a little time consuming but it’ll definitely be worth your while. Also, tuning your car properly has a lot to do with it. I was having the same problem until I adjusted these settings and tunings and it made a major difference.
Same here. I'm much better with the wheel than with the controller. Something about the analog sticks just doesn't feel right to me. Tried xb360, xBone, and PS4 controllers. None feel as smooth or responsive as the wheel
Ive had a G29 for a year, with a custom built wood frame that I spent $20 on, and a cleaned up 06 ford fusion seat attached to it. I have the shifter too. I would never go back to a controller. Its worth it.
I'm just excited to get a wheel and fuck around in games using an input my wife is used to. She isn't much of a gamer, but likes racing games and arcade racing cabinets with the wheel.
I have been using that same wheel for fh4, fh3 and fm7 for almost a year. For me the biggest difference wasn't actually the wheel itself for steering input, but the gas pedal for throttle control. However, I didn't come from a controller but from a keyboard. With keyboard, cross country was easier, but road racing was harder. So when I went from keyboard to wheel, I began to enjoy road racing a lot more, but had to relearn how to drive offroad. And I agree with Hokihoshi that the adjustment period was about 2 weeks. For about 2-3 weeks I thought I had made a mistake and wasted a whole lot of money, then it clicked and there was no going back. I had heard that all the fastest drivers in fh4 use controller (or keyboard), but for me the wheel with cockpit or bonnet view makes it so much more immersive.
Been playing my whole life with controller too... Granturismo 1-2- Tokyo highway challenge, Colin McRae 1, destruction derby .... Toca touring 1. Lol holy shit I'm old, you've probably gotta Google most of those titles 😂
@@krautworks No matter how good a driver is they cannot possibly out compete ABS. You cannot see and know every bit of roads condition/tire condition and know when a tire just starts to slip and then just starts to gain traction and individually modulate braking force and acceleration to that tire...
L Parker That’s not true, ABS can be invasive. Especially when racing, I have never used ABS, Traction Control, or any assists. You tend to be faster because with TCS on it limits your power, and not using abs can give you a better feel of braking zones, and cars limits.
Could you do a guide on how to position and quickly move your hands on the wheel? This is the thing I'm struggling the most after buying one. Because of that I drive with 540 degrees of rotation (instead of 900) and it is great in most cases, but drifting is crazy hard. The easiest way is setting it lower, like 330, but that misses the point.
Yeah once I get the wheel settings in a good place and feel more confident in my driving, would definitely be willing to make a video on proper handwork with a wheel!
Bro, drifting in FH4 is super arcade and unrealistic, it doesn't work well with a wheel because it was made for controller. If you wanna' know how real life drifting feels, do it in Asseto Corsa. Right now it's the best drifting sim out there. You'll have no problem drifting with 900 deg there.
@@AndiSabin I did. And I also sometimes spun out, because I couldn't center the wheel fast enough or countersteer 0recise enough. I guess I will need to look at tutorials on hand work, and train a lot.
@@jacekjagosz nah, chill. You don't need super fast hands. Just try and try and try. At some point it will just click in your head and it will become super easy. And just let the wheel do it's thing. You don't need to coutersteer yourself. Let it spin by itself. If you're using a Logitech wheel, it will be harder, as they don't spin fast enough. Also, search for the channel Kame Trick. He's a pro drifter IRL playing Assetto.
I had a logitech g25 racing wheel with clutch and H shifter, I let a lot of people try it out, and I definitely agree with the idea that it takes most people a little bit to 'adjust' or 'calibrate' before they get use to it.
This is great, literally perfect timing for me because Forza Horizon 4 has been my first racing game and I am super addicted :) so of course I am wondering if I should get a wheel. This video was perfect and the editing was great!! Awesome job and thanks for doing this! BTW, the comment on drifting in going from full steering lock to full steering lock was really interesting and great info!
Would 100% love to see more wheel content mate. I've been using a tmx pro setup and it's definitely more fun, but I feel it's not so great at being competitive. Maybe I need more practice 🤷♂️
From my impressions, you indeed get a huge advantage driving with controller or even keyboard, since the game takes over so much of the controls for you, whilst with the wheel you deal with both physics and force feedback which are somewhat subpar. As a noob driver I tend to struggle massively, since generally FH4 expects you to drive at the limit all the time for races and story events, and with kb/controller the game helps you, whilst with the wheel, it's all YOU doing the driving. Especially with drifting, on KB you can do the gta style arcade drift, but if youre new to it and go for a wheel, prepare to spend hours doing even simple maneuvers. I have yet to three-star even the simplest drift zone, it's a huge difficulty spike for me. Also the first mission of drift club is almost unplayable with how twitchy the NPC car youre driving is. Hit the high revs and it'll pretty much just spin out in a random direction and no amount of countersteer saves it. It really shows that the game was tuned for kb/controller and wheels are an afterthought, so driving a wheel in higher class racing will put you at a noticeable disadvantage, but immersion and fun wise, it IS an upgrade. Just yeah, prepare to suck if youre new to driving. Just dont let it discourage you, just like the video says, start in low class racing to avoid undue frustrations. Which is why I would love FH5 to get more of a realistic vibe, whilst keeping the fun, lighthearted street racing vibe. A bit more grounding in reality, better wheel support and FFB would go a long way. Also I feel like a lot of the wheel tunes people suggest are mainly focused on trying to tune out bad FFB behavior and making the wheel super light, which I find kind of weird, and I'd much prefer settings that actually focus on more realism both for racing and drifting. Nevertheless, even though I stink at it, it's still a really fun game to play.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that found the wheel really tricky in Forza! Some people are freakishly good but i still have that learning curve to get over.
@@derekv275 I run a couple of A class cars with 800HP, shit around the corners but shredding the tires out of a 100mph corner and pulling past someone at like 75% throttle is just sooo satisfying
@@DeBlackKnight keep the AMC Rebel The Machine (I call it 'The Handful") in C class with 1750hp... that thing is a straight line monster... once you can actually put the power down.
I want more videos on the wheel for sure! This is a hard debate for me and I feel like with some wheel tuning you could get the game to feel better. The Logitech is the one I’m looking at heavy so I’m glad to see you put a video out. Definitely hoping for more!
I also bought a cheap used G29 a few months ago and I can really recommend it. Not only Forza now brings me so much joy, but it made me a better driver. I can actually modulate throttle, brakes and steering, so I can drive more unstable cars on simulation setting. If a car is unstable I can just drive more carefully instead of spinning. What I really recommend it is ShakeIt ruclips.net/video/8aLqqcEaUVk/видео.html - in my case motors placed on brake and throttle pedals, which spin when wheels start to spin (throttle pedal) and when wheels lock (brake pedal). It allowed me to learn to break without ABS, understand the car and made me a lot faster. You don't need to spend much to give you almost as many information as with a proper sim setup with FFB seat.
@@ksubswithnovideos-iz4kx Ah I see. Still it's an excellent shifter much better than the g29s shifter and the TX and Pro pedals are much, much better than the G29.
I might be a bit spoiled for this question, having played actual sims with a wheel for a long time and then trying FH4 with it, My answer is a resounding no. The force feedback just feels completely wrong, making driving much harder, rather than giving you a better sense of how well your tires are gripping.
I can only comment on FM7, but compared to AC, PC2, and LFS, their implementation of FFB not good. It might feel okay on Logitech, since they're not detailed with FFB, but on better wheels, it's driveable but distracting.
My wheel is a logitech G25 and I thought the force feedback in FH4 felt awful. I absolutely love my wheel when playing Project Cars 2, Assetto Corsa (and Competitione). The biggest problem I had with FFB in FH4 is that you have to fight against the force feedback when trying to countersteer in a slide, in stead of the force feedback actually helping you countersteer like it should as the front wheels automatically would turn towards the direction the car is moving regardless of which direction it's pointing. It made drifting and rally at performance classes over B almost impossible, and I ended up nearly only driving front wheel drive and four wheel drive cars. I had to play it with a wheel a bunch after release because it didn't work with my PS4 controller like FH3 did when I played that, so I played it with my wheel until I could get me an XBox One controller.
I just enjoy wheels in all racing games. NFS, Mario Kart, Forza. I don't have a lot of experience with sims, but the little experience I do have is that controllers are not good at all. I love the old arcade machines with the race seat and the wheel.
I got the wheel for drifting in BeamNG. I almost returned it because it's so difficult (and I finally got good with the controller), but I kept trying and I love it now. Whereas with a controller I act quickly, with the wheel I act slowly. This has helped me learn more precise control and even makes me lean towards different kinds of drifts. I agree with all your points. Great video
Hey make a part 2 when you have experience with tuning the wheel. I also have a g29/ shifter/ handbrake setup, I'm using it since FH4 launch. My first impression was pretty bad since I have no experience driving or reference point to understand what I was doing, but despite the frustration I've kept learning and tuning my wheel. 100h later I think I'm as competitive on wheel than with a controler on a good day racing in A/S1. But now I'm learning how to drift and the struggle is real, it's like learning to drive and tune again :O Hope to see you post your progress and maybe learn a lot :D
@@mhadi-dev Yes of course. Keep in mind that I'm not a driver IRL so my settings could be way off for you, I've watched a lot of youtube and it's a lot by try and error. I'm actualy running 900° rotation for drifting, but I race 720° or 840°. No vibration and no sim steering. 40/60 FFB, going more heavy is for racing, and less FFB for drifting. Center spring scale and wheel damper at 200, FFB understeer and minimum force at 60 but I'm still moving those quite often to try find something that work with various cars (some cars feel too light or heavy in corners). What I've done is raising the amout of information you could understand through the wheel to the maximun and dialed back the FFB in order to understand what I'm feeling and also to not snap my wheel in half :D I'm still working to find a settings that I can race, drift and rally without touching any numbers but it's hard. I Hope this is helpfull :D
@@yasu7494 Almost have the same settings, but I set centerspring to 130, FFB 75-90, min force 80-100 I found a youtuber or article that says you should set FFB understeer to max, it will give you light feeling while drifting, I found it very good but I set it to 90 so I can feel some resistance. this value is reversed, it should be the lower you set, the lighter you feel. but it will give lighter feelings at full.
@@mhadi-dev Oh I didn't know that! No wonder why I was lost with this one. Thank you this might help my drifting a lot, I will test it when I have time to drive again! I also run a lower centersping settings as well with very high horse power car when racing because when it torque steer or something upset the car it's vicious, I've already hurt my wrist pretty bad once. But the higher value help me self-steer the car in drifting and rally and I'm looking forward to adjust the FFB understeer now! Thanks!
So what I got from this is When you are just cruising and want to have that wheel experience you should use the wheel. But until you get used to it you should use the controller for races and things that require no steering delay. Overall great video this was helpful!
Honestly, if you are into cruising like me, buy a wheel, if you are into the racing part/drifting keep it on controller (unless you are into drifting on wheel)
Great vid, it's interesting you noticed the same things I did when I transitioned to a wheel, for me this was back when Race Driver Grid was at it's height. In essence I tried Grid for 2-3 months with the wheel but found it incredibly hard to forget "Controller habits" and I found I was barely able to beat laptimes and drifting with the assists off was a total nightmare, spinning out becoming the regular routine wheras with a controller I'd held 2nd place in the 1 on 1 ESL drift ladder for several months (Until ver 1.3 was hacked and cheaters returned like an unwanted rash). Then Dirt 3 launched and I never used a controller (tested 1 once and was horrified to be unable to counter slides in any way so never bothered to try and learn). After a couple of month or so of playing I went back to Grid 1 lo and behold my laptimes dropped like a stone by anywhere from 3 to 8 seconds a lap (even more for the really long tracks). For anyone considering a wheel I'd strongly suggest they not try a game they have vast experience with a controller, instead pick a game you've never played and only use the wheel, once you get acceptable and comfortable then go back to your previous titles. The results might just surprise you. As for FH4 with a wheel it's far more forgiving to controllers as, if you launch the car travelling in a straight line you can effectively let go of the stick and the front wheels self align, the car will land straight and off you go, with a wheel on the other hand you've GOT to position the steering just right on landing or it'll fire you in to the weeds or spin you round. For the settings I personally limit the wheel to 180 degrees rotation as this allows a similar lock to lock reaction time to a controller making fast transitions far far easier, it also eliminates the need to remove your hands from the wheelrim so you're always fully in control. This does make for twitchy as hell racing but once you get used to it things like this become possible.... ruclips.net/video/Hsf7Liw4uTY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/VIrLFcd-caI/видео.html As I said try using a new release game where you haven't developed any such "controller habits" this way you don't have to retrain your brain and fight against ingrained instinctive reactions all the time. A new to you game avoids this conflict allowing a more unforced development of good wheel habits. Then and only then go back to your games library, You'll be amazed at how much easier this makes the transition...
been using a G920 for FH4, I prefer it but there are very good points that I noticed in this video. Rallying definitely felt the best for the wheel, but I also have AC and DiRT 4 and Rally, and a few other sim-racers. Horizon is really good at merging all 3 pretty evenly, and making it feel good to a Controller, not a wheel. That being said, I still use a wheel on Forza because I think it's fun. and I rarely go above S1 900, which means I don't ever really use the 'higher speed' cars that tend to plague wheel users.
I'd love to see you do some wheel videos on Motorsport 7 in the future. Also, it's real funny how you're using the PS4 version of that wheel to play an Xbox game.
When you fiddle around with the wheel settings in fh4, you can get much better force feedback than default, especially for drifting. Not sure if you can change them on pc since i use xbox. Great video by the way.
A wheel is a lot more fun. It definitely takes some getting used to. But once you get good with it, it's way easier to drive faster and make minor turns or corrections with the wheel than it is with the controller
What your video explains, is what I felled myself. A wheel is more fun to use, but somehow gamepad or even keyboard seem to feel at times easier to control. After you mentioned that you have the impression that the game does guess work on pad/keyboard and kind of helps out a bit. I fully agree. I have the same impression by now. So I guess if one has a wheel and wants fun use it. If one seeks to be maximum competive in multiplayer, the pad most likely the way to go for this game. Still would recomment try out a wheel to everyone who can, to gether the experince :)
I agree but forza always have been tailored to players with controllers. It is a simcade afterall and I dont mind using this with a controller because I only play this game to have fun.
for the drifting and force feedback stuff, it might also be the wheel itself. I have a fanatec setup which actually has a drift setting that i can adjust in the wheel's little setting interface and it basically simulates the self steering correction of cars with a high caster angle (like drift cars). it also has some crazy ffb, in fact i had to turn it way down cause the wheel was jerking my hands all over and i was hurting my thumbs lol.
The handbrake I have is an off-brand that usually sells under the name "color tree" on Amazon, highly recommend it! and at the time of this video my shifter hadn't actually come in yet but I do have the Logitech shifter! If you're curious at all about my current setup I do have a more recent video that covers it called "is a full sim cockpit worth it for fh4"
Ive been on a G920 for a week and can drift really good for just a week can do full drifting tracks but when i do tandems i have a hard time to brake to be on their door
Not heavily into gaming anymore but i still got my old rig and i can still say FH4 Maxed out across 3 monitors with a wheel is one good experience play with all assists off and its so much fun
@@mhadi-dev I thought about getting a G29 as it seems like a better value, especially if I want a shifter. Good to have some reassurance on my choice though.
For those who might want a second opinion, I use a thrustmaster TX. I have used it in a variety of game (FH2, 3, 4, FM7, F1 '19, Dirt 3, 4) and I would say I mostly agree with what he said. FH4 is built from the ground up for a controller, not a wheel. If you looking be more competitive a controller is by far the better option in FH4. However if you play other racing games besides just the FH series than I would recommend a wheel. I even use the wheel in FM7 and I have found it to be easier than controller. (Just want to pop in and clarify the entire Forza franchise is a simcade so be careful about calling any of them sims). In actuality Wheel players and controller players are on the same level as each other in FM7 so don't expect an advantage on anything except ovals. Same can be said for the F1 games (simcade) where I prefer the wheel but controller players are still very competitive. Dirt I would argue is a different story though. I find a wheel is an advantage in Dirt (however this is also a simcade). Where a wheel outperforms controllers the most are the sims. Assetta Corsa, iRacing, ect. In these having a wheel will not only give you the biggest advantage but also feel the most realistic (which is why he preferred drifting in AC). On consoles you only have access to AC but if you play it on a wheel you will love it. Their physics engines are very different though with cars being a lot less forgiving (which is why the harsh turns from controllers don't work to well on these). So should you get a wheel? Really depends on what you want to do. If you want one for the fun of it go for it. Even games like FH are a lot more fun in my opinion on the wheel. If your wanting to be more competitive, depends on which games you play. If your shooting to ever play any sim, than you 100% need a wheel. Its pretty much that simple. How much do you need to spend? Honestly as long as you have Force Feedback (FFB) your good. The more you spend the better/stronger the FFB will be. The Logitech G29 and the Thrustmaster TMX and TX are all great wheels for beginners. Which one you choose is really up to you. I got the TX because I preferred the mechanism by which it produces its FFB (less notchy and its quieter) and the steering wheel is removable so I can swap between my 2 rims. However it's the most expensive one I listed. The G29 and TMX are both great options with most people going for the G29 over the TMX (really don't know a ton about the TMX so I can't speak for it).
I have a few hundred hours on ForzaH 3 and 4, all or most of my gameplay has been on a Fanatec CS V2.5 and I highly recommend it or any good racing wheel. The wheel feels great and Forza has loads of tuning options. Great vid n tips. It takes a good 30 hours of play or more to fine tune everything. After that... It's just so worth it. Have fun!
Turn down the force feedback to about 20-25 then get a good drift car keep it in 2-3rd make sure the revs are under half then hold clutch and wip the wheel towards the corner then pull it back it’s complicated but practice helps
(Disclaimer: I'm writing without watching the whole video.) I don't know how Asetto Corsa works but Forza Horizon series give you better experience if played with a controller. Especially an Xbox controller. You can also use wheels on racing games but if you're going to use, i strongly recommend you to get a wheel which uses the belt-drive system. Like Thrustmaster and Fanatec. Due to the belt-drive system, they're more long-lasting and they're more silent. All Logitech wheels including G29 uses the gear system and it makes a really loud sound if you steer the wheel too fast or too suddenly. You can even break the gears if you try to steer hard. But if you're a sim trucking fan just like me, probably G29 is going to work without problems.
Horizon 4 does play really well with a Racing Wheel and Pedal set-up once you have the settings right !! The only thing is, if you want everything spot-on right, it can take a fair bit of tweaking and time to get everything just right and I'm talking about days even weeks not just a few minutes or hours (depending on how long you play each time that-is) to get them really dialed-in properly, you'll think it's right one day then you'll drive a different car and give something another tweak here and there, so initially, you can get it set pretty much spot-on relatively quick it's just the Fine Tuning of everything that takes the extra time BUT if you love the game and playing with a wheel and pedals set-up then you'll give it the time that's needed and before you know it you'll have it sorted !! You just have to simply play the game then tweak bits here and there as you go, trial and error every aspect and before you know it, you'll have it all sorted and be flying around the massive open map with control and style and loving it.....Enjoy !! EDIT: Fixed some spelling.
immersive, very fun, realistic and overall nice but you will NEVER win drifting and harder corrective steering makes racing really, really hard in Online. ALSO ONLY USE 450 DEGREE OF ROTATION OR LESS
It's not realistic at all to be honest, the force feedback is implemented horribly and does the exact opposite of what it should do when your car starts sliding. The front wheels of a car will always turn towards the direction where they meet the least resistance, meaning if you let go of the wheel in a slide, the car should countersteer on it's own, but in FH4 (and FH3 too to a degree but the FFB in that game was terribly weak), you suddenly have to fight against the FFB to countersteer. It's completely retarded, especially for a game that has drifting as such a big part of it. If it were realistic, drifting would be easier with a wheel, not infinitely harder.
if its feeling twitchy you need to adjust your linearity and sensitivity. A small dead zone of 3 or so degrees also helps. I ended up become way better at racing on a wheel in x class than a controller with the dead zone
yeah it's super weird, I just don't have a shifter yet! Saving up to buy a nicer one because I heard some negative reviews about the one that comes with the logitech wheel.
The thing with Horizon is it is meant to be arcadeish game, so it will be more optimized for a controller than a wheel. but with sims like Asseto corsa, F1 series etc. These are designed with simulation in mind, so a wheel in this case can help with the emersion and can be quicker, with enough practise.
When I got a wheel the first 3 weeks I couldn't driveat all because I couldn't handle oversteer. I then learned how to drift. Fixed everything and I could handle oversteer way better and actually start driving S1 rwd cars and rally. Tl,dr: sucked at driving, learned drifting, became way better
Guys, I really tired to setup this freaking wheel for FH4, but... just for fun, I tried function Invert FFB... And it finally works like it should be, in games like DIRT, ASSETTO, etc... Logitech WHEELS in FH only on INVERT FFB
4:04 - While yes, this game was designed primarily for controllers, I think the ability to tame high-power cars is the "sideeffect" of this game being a semi-arcade. Try a game like BeamNG & you'll see how hard it is to actually control a high-powered car
Drifting in this game with a wheel is a freaking nightmare. I don't even try Drifting anymore with a wheel. If I wanna drift ill switch over to Carx or Assetto Corsa.
@@rafirahmani8718 dude I've tried all cars 😆 high powered and low powered. Tuned the cars tires,suspension and horse power. The game is meant for controllers not wheels. The game is fun for racing but for drifting I'll go play other games.
I’ll give my own perspective: it feels like one of those racing games at an arcade. You turn the wheel 90° and it’s a full lock, the clutch is mushy and there is just no feeling behind any of the pedals.
@HokiHoshi - I have this exact wheel, just can't use it right now because I don't have a decent chair to sit in comfortably. Great vid btw! It makes me want to throw mine on again. Also, give us more! Even if it's in other games.
*before watching the video It's a lot of fun to drive with a steering wheel, especially drifting but you need a good setup cause you can't just "kick the joystick" to the other side to correct a drift, you have a disadvantage against keyboard and controller players, but you'll definitely have a lot more fun
Much harder to drift with a wheel, but much more fun. On a controller you can fully turn the wheel one way with a flick of a finger, with a wheel you have to take the time to fully turn the wheel 480 degrees.
I'd argue that a racing wheel is a must have for any racing game. (Except arcade titles like Forza or nfs, controller will do but racing wheel only enhances the experience)
I bought my g920 and shifter for horizon 3. It's realistic. Clutch travel, Turing ratio, Suspension travel etc, are all noticed for each car. The thing is How do you drive a s1 car at 180 through country roads. You don't.. G forces won't allow it. And it's something you feel immediately when using a wheel in horizon. It takes practice and proper breaking. But I love trying to keep up with pad users in a realistic way.
- [ ] I bought a Thrustmaster T-150 (PS3, PS4), three years ago, for $105 on Amazon, on Black Friday, which was sweet, and looking at the racers jump, within the PS3 era and within the PS4, there‘s _been_ a HUGE difference in mechanical sophistication and graphical fidelity/stability, from the beginning to the end of the PS4 era, and there’s still a year, for more games. That didn’t seem quite as contrasting, from _Collin McRae: DiRT Rally_ (PS3, 2007), to _DiRT 3_ (PS3; 2011l), then from _DiRT Rally_ (PS4, 2015 - about four years and one month, between games), through _DiRT 4_ (PS4; 2017), to look at _DiRT Rally 2.0_ (PS4, 2019; about four years and one month). _DiRT Rally 2.0 is incredible, as are Gran Turismo Sport, Assetto Corsa; Competizione,_ and _Project Cars 2.0,_as compared to their early-PS4 counterparts. - [ ] With a wheel - the T-150 also comes with plastic pedals and paddle gears, which rock - PS4 racing is so great (and what X-Box does, too, with what it has, for a library), at least a second tier Thrustmaster, or an entry tier Logitech (about $100, to as much as $150, if quickly necessary. - [ ] I waited a month and a half, for a Christmas sale and saved $45, along with getting a good education, about wheels, their expandability, and their compatibility with systems (the T-150 does both the PS3 and PS4) and games (like _The Crew,_ *some* _NFS_ but *not the* _NFS_ reboot, _Burn out: Paradise City Remastered,_ and etc.) - [ ] If you really like racing and have a way to set it up, with stability, then grab one, especially if they’re on sale - or got for it, and get a full setup, with pneumatic cage. That would kick ass! (Also get a PC, in that case... )
After playing fh4 with the g27 for about 4 hours of gameplay, i can say the dirt rally racing series is probably the most fun. I can also say that the steering physics needs work but it isn't too far off from any other real simulation racing games. (besides the fact the drifting is way off compared to assetto corsa).
I bought the wheel and shifter, what games should I play? I’m looking to just free ride, I’m not looking for too much drifting or racing, just simming driving nice cars
hey guys, really sorry about the choppy footage throughout some of the video!! Sadly didn't notice it until everything was done and rendered but I figured out the issue for the next vid!
HokiHoshi you added me on Xbox
Super minor bro lol great video
No worry Bro, I watched many well-known FH4 RUclipsrs, but they don't have the skills and knowledge you have in cars, I wish that you create a video explains every wheel settings and its affect.
What is the name of that wheel? And where could i pick one up?
@@brendangigante9790 Logitech G29, you can buy it online from Amazon
10:13 All you need to know
legend
Gucci 111 thanks budd unless talk for 10 mints damn
So... Don't use G29 for Forza?
@@fikrifadillah3247 don't buy a wheel just for forza. dont buy a wheel if you dont have a pc either
gardinbe too late
If I just wanna have fun, I use the wheel, if I want to win, I use a controller
Cuz u got no skills
SAUCE GUWOOP what the fuck u talking about
@@jimjunglecock2866 see 10:30, You really need to learn cutting corners using wheel. It needs practice
Yup we are big brain bcuz I do the same thing
Prateek Panwar ive started to use my wheel in races and I find it really fun 👍
Been driving with a TMX wheel on Horizon for ages, very tough to drift, but you have to adjust the advanced custom wheel settings, I tweaked my advanced settings for months before I got the right feel and now I regularly get podium finishes.. (mainly racing on S1 or A class with no assists, full sim)
It's very important to turn down/off re-centering force (center spring scale). Wheel rotation is set to 540. Turn the Vibration scale Way down but set the understeer and minimum force to max feel. That way you can feel when your tires are slidling but the vibration isn't so stiff it jerks you around. Wish I was near my xbox so i could just give you a full description but I'm just going off the top of my head atm.
Edit: update with actual settings as I’m checking - not really set up for drifting, moreso rally racing and tarmac sprints/circuits.
Steering Axis inside - 0
Steering Axis outside - 99
Steering Linearity - 50
Accel Axis Deadzone Inside - 0
Accel Axis DZ Outside - 100
Decel Axis Deadzone Inside - 0
Decel Axis Deadzone Outside - 100
E-Brake leave as is
Vibration Scale - 2 (yes, that’s not a typo)
Force Feedback Scale - 100
Center Spring - 1
Wheel Damper - 200 or full dampening
FF Understeer - 26
FF Minimum Force - 100
Wheel Rotation - 540
Where do you assign your e-brake?
Yo thank you for posting this. Absolutely hate how the TMX feels when you start the game.
Thanks bro that’s made the wheel feel so much better
Dude, thank you so much for posting this it just made my experience totally different, before I couldn't drive 1km and I already spun out, now I can feel when the car is slipping and instantly correct it
Controller for forza, Wheel for everything else (dirt rally, assetto corsa)
I bought my g920 and shifter for horizon 3. It's realistic. Clutch travel, Turing ratio, Suspension travel etc, are all noticed for each car.
The thing is How do you drive a s1 car at 180 through country roads. You don't.. G forces won't allow it. And it's something you feel immediately when using a wheel in horizon.
It takes practice and proper breaking. But I love trying to keep up with pad users in a realistic way.
Pretty much sums up Forza on PC. There are better options out there for wheel users, and it seems to be a theme. Once a gamer gets a wheel, Forza takes a back seat to some other title.
yeh
asseto corsa with VR 👌
@@seehive2223 exactly what I do :)
Pretty much agree with most things said in this video. I personally only use my g920 for cruising around the map in stick shift cars. The controller is just way faster and easier to use to the point where you'd need to put in 10x the amount of work to be as fast as you would be on controller, especially in the higher class cars. And don't even get me started on drifting, its a nightmare compared to Assetto Corsa.
I am faster with a controller
I'm faster with a wheel.
I have the G920 and drift fine 🤷🏾♂️
After using a wheel for years, it's difficult to race with a pad. I haven't won a car since they started the playlist format. I try the races with both. But I'm more accurate with a wheel.
@@wavybump Of course wheels are more accurate, but a controller is almost OP compared to a wheel. Everything is faster and more direct, a wheel is precise but also bigger and thus slower.
And I have to agree with
ibanezs470dx when it comes to drifting. In Assetto Corsa I can drift no problems, even without ever touching the hydro brake, but Forza is just too far from reality. Controller drifting is fine, though.
I remember when I got my Logitech, it took me around a week of frustration to get used to it. Now it’s the best thing ever
i just want to use steering wheel and shifter to cruise .
same
thats what id do, id still use the controller to win though
same bro, its simply really relaxing cruise on the map and i think doing it with a steering wheel should be awesome
do it on assetto
@@incesco not open world
I have never played forza with a controller, been wheelin and dealin since day 1
saaame heheh *high five*
*doubt*
Me too my guy!
Me too, never regretted it.
I tried it a few weeks ago and it was impossible for me, just way too far from real life. The 90° turn angle is a joke and the cars have so much grip you think that all of them are secretly LMP cars.
Even Gran Turismo 3 has more realistic physics than FH4 with its 'realisitc' settings. But hey, if it worked out for you ... I won't judge. ;)
Been going back and forth about getting a wheel for fh4. This was very helpful
100% should. All you need to find is good settings.
I would say get one, but use it for games that use it better.
If you are buying it mostly for fh4 I would recommend you buy the g920 instead of the g29 as fh4 doesn't show you the buttons that are on the wheels in the menus and settings etc and with the g920 being the Xbox version of the wheel he uses in this video you don't have to guess the buttons as they are the same as on the controller. I bought my g920 for fh3 originally and now use it in fh4 and I can confirm that you really need better settings as the stock ones are ok but not amazing
I have the same wheel, played through fh3 now on fh4. You need to get used to it play with the settings, it can be real hard for a while but a better wheel costs my life, and with controller its just not fun for me to play a game like this.
Well I bought a wheel for h3 and use it for h4 so do that el oh ellll
I got a logitech g920 yesterday, I'm 33 years old, been driving cars since I was 12, can drift pretty much anything IRL, was pretty damn good with a controller, jumped onto the wheel and I feel like I've never driven a car before. There is definitely a learning curve and its hard.
I feel the same. The game gives good road feel and such through bumps and surfaces but it just can't figured out cornering properly. It's like you are driving on egg shells in every corner. I watched a video on the camaro zl1 lapping Nurburgring paying close attention on the corner entry and exit speed and then compared that to what I could do on tight hair pins in the game. Even at 50 to 60 kilometres per hour ( I'm Canadian lol) the car was under steering around 45 degree turns and the amount of lock you have to use to make it turn right is way off. One can tune it out some but it just always seems that the game can't deal with cornering grip right. You always feel like the car is on ice in the corners and every input has to be way to gentle. Still love the game but if you are going with a wheel be prepared to spend some time to get it so it's at least fun and drivable but not awesome.
@@shadlad91 Ae I'm A Kiwi so we use kilometres per hour too haha, but yeah your 100% right even at 40-50 kays the thing just spins round n round like a spinning top. I've tried using low power cars, like stupid low, stock standard AE86, and I still struggle. The only good feeling of drift I've had so far was with low powered cars on dirt roads.
@@Synthetic-Chicken I have been trying to dial it in since and its just not happening. This game just doesn't understand cornering principles. I built a Integra FWD type r maxed then tried racing and even though it is FWD it still wanted to overseer way way to much. Tried smoothly throttling off the apex and the type r just kept spinning out with stupid oversteer. I was getting angry because here I am racing a 420 hp FWD and yet some how it still kept drifting out on every turn . Uh its FWD so why is it over steering so bad as it should at least spinning front tires and under steering like crazy. I have done some real world racing and played every sim I can think of, gtr, gtr2, race o7, gt legends , project cars , Assetto corsa , ACC and much more. Saying that I dont like Forza H4 physics because any built car has this set tire model that thinks any cornering is a reason to induce snap over steering. I'm just sticking to cruising in this game as the racing part is just to out of wack with tire models and grip.
I’ve put 35k miles over 3 months , I’ve got it down but I’d say it took 5 to 10k to get used to it , it’s crazy
Mess with your settings until you find something you’re comfortable with. It’s a little time consuming but it’ll definitely be worth your while. Also, tuning your car properly has a lot to do with it. I was having the same problem until I adjusted these settings and tunings and it made a major difference.
Keep going with the wheel, I really struggled In FH4 when I first got it but after a few months Im much faster than I was on controller
Any tips? What's your wheel setup?
Realy?! How?
Practice I sucked on my wheel when I got it to but now it’s fun
@@ProNoob109 what's ur gm
Same here. I'm much better with the wheel than with the controller. Something about the analog sticks just doesn't feel right to me. Tried xb360, xBone, and PS4 controllers. None feel as smooth or responsive as the wheel
Ive had a G29 for a year, with a custom built wood frame that I spent $20 on, and a cleaned up 06 ford fusion seat attached to it. I have the shifter too. I would never go back to a controller. Its worth it.
i’m not even capping rn but i got an ad that just said NO in caps
Having a wheel is great for American Truck Simulator, but for Forza I only use it when just driving around not racing.
I'm just excited to get a wheel and fuck around in games using an input my wife is used to. She isn't much of a gamer, but likes racing games and arcade racing cabinets with the wheel.
I have been using that same wheel for fh4, fh3 and fm7 for almost a year. For me the biggest difference wasn't actually the wheel itself for steering input, but the gas pedal for throttle control. However, I didn't come from a controller but from a keyboard.
With keyboard, cross country was easier, but road racing was harder. So when I went from keyboard to wheel, I began to enjoy road racing a lot more, but had to relearn how to drive offroad.
And I agree with Hokihoshi that the adjustment period was about 2 weeks. For about 2-3 weeks I thought I had made a mistake and wasted a whole lot of money, then it clicked and there was no going back.
I had heard that all the fastest drivers in fh4 use controller (or keyboard), but for me the wheel with cockpit or bonnet view makes it so much more immersive.
Played my hole life with a controller, gran turismo 5,6 many rallygames and foormula
19,18,11 etc. But still going to get a wheel for birthday
Been playing my whole life with controller too... Granturismo 1-2- Tokyo highway challenge, Colin McRae 1, destruction derby .... Toca touring 1. Lol holy shit I'm old, you've probably gotta Google most of those titles 😂
@@kirk9363 destruction derby... haven’t heard that name since the ps1/ps2 days
Do I need a shifter? I got the Logitech G29 without the shifter and I'm concerned.
Well you have paddles. You should be good man. If not you could map it to a different button on the wheel.
@@hillbillyhomeboy4121 thanks 👍
I would buy a shifter if possible. It’s only around $55 and it makes the car feel a lot nice
@@hillbillyhomeboy4121 what is the holy hell is that pfp 😭😂😂
no you good, the shifter is more fun
Turn off abs when you drive with a wheel you can control the brake so much better
A good driver doesn't need ABS anyways (in racing).
@@krautworks No matter how good a driver is they cannot possibly out compete ABS. You cannot see and know every bit of roads condition/tire condition and know when a tire just starts to slip and then just starts to gain traction and individually modulate braking force and acceleration to that tire...
L Parker That’s not true, ABS can be invasive. Especially when racing, I have never used ABS, Traction Control, or any assists. You tend to be faster because with TCS on it limits your power, and not using abs can give you a better feel of braking zones, and cars limits.
@@AndrewSmith081998 Everything I said was entirely true. In games you may have a point but not in real life.
Thanks for bringing this up, never thaught about abs being bad.
Could you do a guide on how to position and quickly move your hands on the wheel? This is the thing I'm struggling the most after buying one.
Because of that I drive with 540 degrees of rotation (instead of 900) and it is great in most cases, but drifting is crazy hard. The easiest way is setting it lower, like 330, but that misses the point.
Yeah once I get the wheel settings in a good place and feel more confident in my driving, would definitely be willing to make a video on proper handwork with a wheel!
Bro, drifting in FH4 is super arcade and unrealistic, it doesn't work well with a wheel because it was made for controller. If you wanna' know how real life drifting feels, do it in Asseto Corsa. Right now it's the best drifting sim out there. You'll have no problem drifting with 900 deg there.
@@AndiSabin I did. And I also sometimes spun out, because I couldn't center the wheel fast enough or countersteer 0recise enough.
I guess I will need to look at tutorials on hand work, and train a lot.
@@jacekjagosz nah, chill. You don't need super fast hands. Just try and try and try. At some point it will just click in your head and it will become super easy. And just let the wheel do it's thing. You don't need to coutersteer yourself. Let it spin by itself. If you're using a Logitech wheel, it will be harder, as they don't spin fast enough.
Also, search for the channel Kame Trick. He's a pro drifter IRL playing Assetto.
@@AndiSabin Thanks, that's really helpful
I had a logitech g25 racing wheel with clutch and H shifter, I let a lot of people try it out, and I definitely agree with the idea that it takes most people a little bit to 'adjust' or 'calibrate' before they get use to it.
This is great, literally perfect timing for me because Forza Horizon 4 has been my first racing game and I am super addicted :) so of course I am wondering if I should get a wheel. This video was perfect and the editing was great!! Awesome job and thanks for doing this!
BTW, the comment on drifting in going from full steering lock to full steering lock was really interesting and great info!
Would 100% love to see more wheel content mate. I've been using a tmx pro setup and it's definitely more fun, but I feel it's not so great at being competitive. Maybe I need more practice 🤷♂️
From my impressions, you indeed get a huge advantage driving with controller or even keyboard, since the game takes over so much of the controls for you, whilst with the wheel you deal with both physics and force feedback which are somewhat subpar.
As a noob driver I tend to struggle massively, since generally FH4 expects you to drive at the limit all the time for races and story events, and with kb/controller the game helps you, whilst with the wheel, it's all YOU doing the driving. Especially with drifting, on KB you can do the gta style arcade drift, but if youre new to it and go for a wheel, prepare to spend hours doing even simple maneuvers. I have yet to three-star even the simplest drift zone, it's a huge difficulty spike for me.
Also the first mission of drift club is almost unplayable with how twitchy the NPC car youre driving is. Hit the high revs and it'll pretty much just spin out in a random direction and no amount of countersteer saves it. It really shows that the game was tuned for kb/controller and wheels are an afterthought, so driving a wheel in higher class racing will put you at a noticeable disadvantage, but immersion and fun wise, it IS an upgrade. Just yeah, prepare to suck if youre new to driving. Just dont let it discourage you, just like the video says, start in low class racing to avoid undue frustrations.
Which is why I would love FH5 to get more of a realistic vibe, whilst keeping the fun, lighthearted street racing vibe. A bit more grounding in reality, better wheel support and FFB would go a long way.
Also I feel like a lot of the wheel tunes people suggest are mainly focused on trying to tune out bad FFB behavior and making the wheel super light, which I find kind of weird, and I'd much prefer settings that actually focus on more realism both for racing and drifting. Nevertheless, even though I stink at it, it's still a really fun game to play.
you are nuts if u think keyboard is awesome
you can turn off all assists for the controller as well
I'm glad I'm not the only one that found the wheel really tricky in Forza! Some people are freakishly good but i still have that learning curve to get over.
My fav all around is class A . Just reminds me of a 600 hp street car
But 600hp is more like S1 class low end s1
@@prozoomy my elcamino has shit rubber it down grades it lol
@@derekv275 I run a couple of A class cars with 800HP, shit around the corners but shredding the tires out of a 100mph corner and pulling past someone at like 75% throttle is just sooo satisfying
@@DeBlackKnight keep the AMC Rebel The Machine (I call it 'The Handful") in C class with 1750hp... that thing is a straight line monster... once you can actually put the power down.
I want more videos on the wheel for sure! This is a hard debate for me and I feel like with some wheel tuning you could get the game to feel better. The Logitech is the one I’m looking at heavy so I’m glad to see you put a video out. Definitely hoping for more!
I've been dreaming of a wheel since Horizon 1. Never been able to afford one and here we are, still analog sticks on Horizon 4 lol
honestly, if you only play forza, don't even think about wasting the money
@_Chino98 damn.. its cheap for you.. in my country it is around 300-380$
@@Sam-jo2hq i got mine for 450
@@dankie3612 damn that really sucks
@@Sam-jo2hq yep everything is over priced in newzealand
I also bought a cheap used G29 a few months ago and I can really recommend it. Not only Forza now brings me so much joy, but it made me a better driver. I can actually modulate throttle, brakes and steering, so I can drive more unstable cars on simulation setting. If a car is unstable I can just drive more carefully instead of spinning.
What I really recommend it is ShakeIt ruclips.net/video/8aLqqcEaUVk/видео.html - in my case motors placed on brake and throttle pedals, which spin when wheels start to spin (throttle pedal) and when wheels lock (brake pedal).
It allowed me to learn to break without ABS, understand the car and made me a lot faster.
You don't need to spend much to give you almost as many information as with a proper sim setup with FFB seat.
Super interesting, I'll have to look into that for my pedals!
Very insightful video. I would love to see your wheel settings!
Drifting on wheel FH4 has been the most fun ive had playing video games
Why did i buy a wheel with no force feedback and only 270 degrees of steering😭😭
Aka Thrustmaster Ferrari 458 Italia replica
Jonny Hope and it cost 400$ without shifter and clutch
RainbowTrIGeX I got a t300rs for $200 usd from Walmart.com 1 month ago!
@@ksubswithnovideos-iz4kx The TX Pro costs 200 euro with a clutch, but no shifter.
IIIRattleHeadIII thats what i am saying the shifter 130$
@@ksubswithnovideos-iz4kx Ah I see.
Still it's an excellent shifter much better than the g29s shifter and the TX and Pro pedals are much, much better than the G29.
I might be a bit spoiled for this question, having played actual sims with a wheel for a long time and then trying FH4 with it, My answer is a resounding no. The force feedback just feels completely wrong, making driving much harder, rather than giving you a better sense of how well your tires are gripping.
I can only comment on FM7, but compared to AC, PC2, and LFS, their implementation of FFB not good.
It might feel okay on Logitech, since they're not detailed with FFB, but on better wheels, it's driveable but distracting.
My wheel is a logitech G25 and I thought the force feedback in FH4 felt awful.
I absolutely love my wheel when playing Project Cars 2, Assetto Corsa (and Competitione).
The biggest problem I had with FFB in FH4 is that you have to fight against the force feedback when trying to countersteer in a slide, in stead of the force feedback actually helping you countersteer like it should as the front wheels automatically would turn towards the direction the car is moving regardless of which direction it's pointing.
It made drifting and rally at performance classes over B almost impossible, and I ended up nearly only driving front wheel drive and four wheel drive cars.
I had to play it with a wheel a bunch after release because it didn't work with my PS4 controller like FH3 did when I played that, so I played it with my wheel until I could get me an XBox One controller.
Give it to me then.
great wheel review. I am in the process of get g a wheel so the video was well timed. I gonna get one for the fun and experience of play.
Welcome to G29 family! xД
Forza is on PC too my dude 😉
I just enjoy wheels in all racing games. NFS, Mario Kart, Forza. I don't have a lot of experience with sims, but the little experience I do have is that controllers are not good at all.
I love the old arcade machines with the race seat and the wheel.
I got the wheel for drifting in BeamNG. I almost returned it because it's so difficult (and I finally got good with the controller), but I kept trying and I love it now. Whereas with a controller I act quickly, with the wheel I act slowly. This has helped me learn more precise control and even makes me lean towards different kinds of drifts. I agree with all your points. Great video
Hey make a part 2 when you have experience with tuning the wheel. I also have a g29/ shifter/ handbrake setup, I'm using it since FH4 launch.
My first impression was pretty bad since I have no experience driving or reference point to understand what I was doing, but despite the frustration I've kept learning and tuning my wheel.
100h later I think I'm as competitive on wheel than with a controler on a good day racing in A/S1. But now I'm learning how to drift and the struggle is real, it's like learning to drive and tune again :O
Hope to see you post your progress and maybe learn a lot :D
Can you share your wheel settings ? and from my experience you need to raise FFB Understeer to almost 90
@@mhadi-dev Yes of course. Keep in mind that I'm not a driver IRL so my settings could be way off for you, I've watched a lot of youtube and it's a lot by try and error.
I'm actualy running 900° rotation for drifting, but I race 720° or 840°. No vibration and no sim steering. 40/60 FFB, going more heavy is for racing, and less FFB for drifting. Center spring scale and wheel damper at 200, FFB understeer and minimum force at 60 but I'm still moving those quite often to try find something that work with various cars (some cars feel too light or heavy in corners).
What I've done is raising the amout of information you could understand through the wheel to the maximun and dialed back the FFB in order to understand what I'm feeling and also to not snap my wheel in half :D
I'm still working to find a settings that I can race, drift and rally without touching any numbers but it's hard.
I Hope this is helpfull :D
@@yasu7494
Almost have the same settings, but I set centerspring to 130, FFB 75-90, min force 80-100
I found a youtuber or article that says you should set FFB understeer to max, it will give you light feeling while drifting, I found it very good but I set it to 90 so I can feel some resistance. this value is reversed, it should be the lower you set, the lighter you feel. but it will give lighter feelings at full.
@@mhadi-dev Oh I didn't know that! No wonder why I was lost with this one. Thank you this might help my drifting a lot, I will test it when I have time to drive again!
I also run a lower centersping settings as well with very high horse power car when racing because when it torque steer or something upset the car it's vicious, I've already hurt my wrist pretty bad once.
But the higher value help me self-steer the car in drifting and rally and I'm looking forward to adjust the FFB understeer now!
Thanks!
So what I got from this is
When you are just cruising and want to have that wheel experience you should use the wheel. But until you get used to it you should use the controller for races and things that require no steering delay. Overall great video this was helpful!
Honestly, if you are into cruising like me, buy a wheel, if you are into the racing part/drifting keep it on controller (unless you are into drifting on wheel)
Drifting isn't bad with a wheel when you get used to it
Great vid, it's interesting you noticed the same things I did when I transitioned to a wheel, for me this was back when Race Driver Grid was at it's height. In essence I tried Grid for 2-3 months with the wheel but found it incredibly hard to forget "Controller habits" and I found I was barely able to beat laptimes and drifting with the assists off was a total nightmare, spinning out becoming the regular routine wheras with a controller I'd held 2nd place in the 1 on 1 ESL drift ladder for several months (Until ver 1.3 was hacked and cheaters returned like an unwanted rash).
Then Dirt 3 launched and I never used a controller (tested 1 once and was horrified to be unable to counter slides in any way so never bothered to try and learn). After a couple of month or so of playing I went back to Grid 1 lo and behold my laptimes dropped like a stone by anywhere from 3 to 8 seconds a lap (even more for the really long tracks).
For anyone considering a wheel I'd strongly suggest they not try a game they have vast experience with a controller, instead pick a game you've never played and only use the wheel, once you get acceptable and comfortable then go back to your previous titles. The results might just surprise you.
As for FH4 with a wheel it's far more forgiving to controllers as, if you launch the car travelling in a straight line you can effectively let go of the stick and the front wheels self align, the car will land straight and off you go, with a wheel on the other hand you've GOT to position the steering just right on landing or it'll fire you in to the weeds or spin you round.
For the settings I personally limit the wheel to 180 degrees rotation as this allows a similar lock to lock reaction time to a controller making fast transitions far far easier, it also eliminates the need to remove your hands from the wheelrim so you're always fully in control. This does make for twitchy as hell racing but once you get used to it things like this become possible....
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As I said try using a new release game where you haven't developed any such "controller habits" this way you don't have to retrain your brain and fight against ingrained instinctive reactions all the time. A new to you game avoids this conflict allowing a more unforced development of good wheel habits. Then and only then go back to your games library, You'll be amazed at how much easier this makes the transition...
bought a wheel for dirt 2 and project cars 2, in forza it is a handicap, wich is why i only use it in sim games
@falchulk my idea of fun is driving competitively. if i wanna pot around, i my car
been using a G920 for FH4, I prefer it but there are very good points that I noticed in this video. Rallying definitely felt the best for the wheel, but I also have AC and DiRT 4 and Rally, and a few other sim-racers. Horizon is really good at merging all 3 pretty evenly, and making it feel good to a Controller, not a wheel. That being said, I still use a wheel on Forza because I think it's fun. and I rarely go above S1 900, which means I don't ever really use the 'higher speed' cars that tend to plague wheel users.
I'd love to see you do some wheel videos on Motorsport 7 in the future. Also, it's real funny how you're using the PS4 version of that wheel to play an Xbox game.
I bought Forza to experience/cruise in an open world with the cars I want and using a wheel definitely gives cruising a whole different vibe
When you fiddle around with the wheel settings in fh4, you can get much better force feedback than default, especially for drifting. Not sure if you can change them on pc since i use xbox. Great video by the way.
A wheel is a lot more fun. It definitely takes some getting used to. But once you get good with it, it's way easier to drive faster and make minor turns or corrections with the wheel than it is with the controller
I love using the wheel I’ve had it for almost a year now
What your video explains, is what I felled myself. A wheel is more fun to use, but somehow gamepad or even keyboard seem to feel at times easier to control. After you mentioned that you have the impression that the game does guess work on pad/keyboard and kind of helps out a bit. I fully agree. I have the same impression by now. So I guess if one has a wheel and wants fun use it. If one seeks to be maximum competive in multiplayer, the pad most likely the way to go for this game.
Still would recomment try out a wheel to everyone who can, to gether the experince :)
I spend a lot of hours drinving with my wheel on Assetto Corsa and i can't even drift a single corner in fh4...
I agree but forza always have been tailored to players with controllers. It is a simcade afterall and I dont mind using this with a controller because I only play this game to have fun.
Yeah I agree too, im just saying its funny how different the driving feeling can be
same tho..i can drift in AC(after i had some practice in about a week). But when i played Forza with wheel..i crashed so many times even with FWD's.
@@zcypher6558 Yeah its horrible, strange to see how different the gales feel with the same wheel
Super Video, yet again Hoki.
Yes please more Wheel vids.
Thanks for this. I was wondering if a wheel was worth it for Horizon. Gonna stick with my controller.
for the drifting and force feedback stuff, it might also be the wheel itself. I have a fanatec setup which actually has a drift setting that i can adjust in the wheel's little setting interface and it basically simulates the self steering correction of cars with a high caster angle (like drift cars). it also has some crazy ffb, in fact i had to turn it way down cause the wheel was jerking my hands all over and i was hurting my thumbs lol.
Me after seeing the title: *obviously the answer is yes*
Also me: *Watches the video*
lul ur in for a surprise :D
Bro the tune spreadsheet on your website is just amazing👌 years of learning condense in this. Worth $$$
Great vid. Have the wheel coming today. What ebrake do you use? And I noticed you dont use a shifter any reason on why?
The handbrake I have is an off-brand that usually sells under the name "color tree" on Amazon, highly recommend it! and at the time of this video my shifter hadn't actually come in yet but I do have the Logitech shifter! If you're curious at all about my current setup I do have a more recent video that covers it called "is a full sim cockpit worth it for fh4"
Good to hear FH4 plug and play setting is great. I have the G920 (xbox version) and have had a hard time with getting the settings right with FH3
Ive been on a G920 for a week and can drift really good for just a week can do full drifting tracks but when i do tandems i have a hard time to brake to be on their door
Not heavily into gaming anymore but i still got my old rig and i can still say FH4 Maxed out across 3 monitors with a wheel is one good experience play with all assists off and its so much fun
I would love to see more videos with the wheel. I just picked up a Thrustmaster TMX a bit over a month ago.
I have a G29, but Thrusmaster is better for FH4
@@mhadi-dev I thought about getting a G29 as it seems like a better value, especially if I want a shifter. Good to have some reassurance on my choice though.
For those who might want a second opinion, I use a thrustmaster TX. I have used it in a variety of game (FH2, 3, 4, FM7, F1 '19, Dirt 3, 4) and I would say I mostly agree with what he said. FH4 is built from the ground up for a controller, not a wheel. If you looking be more competitive a controller is by far the better option in FH4. However if you play other racing games besides just the FH series than I would recommend a wheel. I even use the wheel in FM7 and I have found it to be easier than controller. (Just want to pop in and clarify the entire Forza franchise is a simcade so be careful about calling any of them sims). In actuality Wheel players and controller players are on the same level as each other in FM7 so don't expect an advantage on anything except ovals. Same can be said for the F1 games (simcade) where I prefer the wheel but controller players are still very competitive. Dirt I would argue is a different story though. I find a wheel is an advantage in Dirt (however this is also a simcade).
Where a wheel outperforms controllers the most are the sims. Assetta Corsa, iRacing, ect. In these having a wheel will not only give you the biggest advantage but also feel the most realistic (which is why he preferred drifting in AC). On consoles you only have access to AC but if you play it on a wheel you will love it. Their physics engines are very different though with cars being a lot less forgiving (which is why the harsh turns from controllers don't work to well on these).
So should you get a wheel? Really depends on what you want to do. If you want one for the fun of it go for it. Even games like FH are a lot more fun in my opinion on the wheel. If your wanting to be more competitive, depends on which games you play. If your shooting to ever play any sim, than you 100% need a wheel. Its pretty much that simple.
How much do you need to spend? Honestly as long as you have Force Feedback (FFB) your good. The more you spend the better/stronger the FFB will be. The Logitech G29 and the Thrustmaster TMX and TX are all great wheels for beginners. Which one you choose is really up to you. I got the TX because I preferred the mechanism by which it produces its FFB (less notchy and its quieter) and the steering wheel is removable so I can swap between my 2 rims. However it's the most expensive one I listed. The G29 and TMX are both great options with most people going for the G29 over the TMX (really don't know a ton about the TMX so I can't speak for it).
Hey man love the videos thanks too you i can really tune my cars thank you love the content
he helped me to :)
bought a seat, a xbox one and a g920 plus shifter 6 month ago, definitly my best gaming purchase ever!!!🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
"restricted to slower input" me who throws the wheel and lets go, k then
I have a few hundred hours on ForzaH 3 and 4, all or most of my gameplay has been on a Fanatec CS V2.5 and I highly recommend it or any good racing wheel. The wheel feels great and Forza has loads of tuning options. Great vid n tips. It takes a good 30 hours of play or more to fine tune everything. After that... It's just so worth it. Have fun!
Would love to know if you find some good Drift Tunes for the G29.. I can't control mine worth *&%#.
Just lower the rotation to about 450 i use that
Turn down the force feedback to about 20-25 then get a good drift car keep it in 2-3rd make sure the revs are under half then hold clutch and wip the wheel towards the corner then pull it back it’s complicated but practice helps
Go to gtoofast’s latest video he has the best drift setting, I personally use it
(Disclaimer: I'm writing without watching the whole video.)
I don't know how Asetto Corsa works but Forza Horizon series give you better experience if played with a controller. Especially an Xbox controller. You can also use wheels on racing games but if you're going to use, i strongly recommend you to get a wheel which uses the belt-drive system. Like Thrustmaster and Fanatec. Due to the belt-drive system, they're more long-lasting and they're more silent. All Logitech wheels including G29 uses the gear system and it makes a really loud sound if you steer the wheel too fast or too suddenly. You can even break the gears if you try to steer hard.
But if you're a sim trucking fan just like me, probably G29 is going to work without problems.
I'm a car enthusiast in the real world and couldn't imagine playing with a controller after using a wheel
It wouldnt feel the same the wheel would feel better
I think getting a wheel and just driving around would be fun. It’s be like real driving.
when a racing game has poor support for a racing wheel...
It's an arcade game for children and console players. Forza devs have made it clear that Horizon is not a racing sim in any way.
Horizon 4 does play really well with a Racing Wheel and Pedal set-up once you have the settings right !!
The only thing is, if you want everything spot-on right, it can take a fair bit of tweaking and time to get everything just right and I'm talking about days even weeks not just a few minutes or hours (depending on how long you play each time that-is) to get them really dialed-in properly, you'll think it's right one day then you'll drive a different car and give something another tweak here and there, so initially, you can get it set pretty much spot-on relatively quick it's just the Fine Tuning of everything that takes the extra time BUT if you love the game and playing with a wheel and pedals set-up then you'll give it the time that's needed and before you know it you'll have it sorted !!
You just have to simply play the game then tweak bits here and there as you go, trial and error every aspect and before you know it, you'll have it all sorted and be flying around the massive open map with control and style and loving it.....Enjoy !!
EDIT: Fixed some spelling.
immersive, very fun, realistic and overall nice but you will NEVER win drifting and harder corrective steering makes racing really, really hard in Online. ALSO ONLY USE 450 DEGREE OF ROTATION OR LESS
It's not realistic at all to be honest, the force feedback is implemented horribly and does the exact opposite of what it should do when your car starts sliding.
The front wheels of a car will always turn towards the direction where they meet the least resistance, meaning if you let go of the wheel in a slide, the car should countersteer on it's own, but in FH4 (and FH3 too to a degree but the FFB in that game was terribly weak), you suddenly have to fight against the FFB to countersteer.
It's completely retarded, especially for a game that has drifting as such a big part of it.
If it were realistic, drifting would be easier with a wheel, not infinitely harder.
@@CordovanSplotchVT I never said the game was realistic just using a wheel was.
@@kerenton5897 and I'm saying it's not, the way the steering wheels and force feedback works in FH4 is very unrealistic.
@@CordovanSplotchVT I never said the wheel behaved realistic I said that a wheel is realistic because in real life you use one.
if its feeling twitchy you need to adjust your linearity and sensitivity. A small dead zone of 3 or so degrees also helps. I ended up become way better at racing on a wheel in x class than a controller with the dead zone
great advice, getting a wheel soon
Using manual with clutch with paddle shifters,weird
yeah it's super weird, I just don't have a shifter yet! Saving up to buy a nicer one because I heard some negative reviews about the one that comes with the logitech wheel.
Can I fit any shifter on my g920? Also the handbrake look great
HokiHoshi which one did you but
I personally only got the same wheel + shifter just for Forza Horizon and I'm having a blast just driving around.
Personally, I like the Xbox version more.
cuz ur a poor bastard
@@gamerdaddy2570 the logitech g920(xbox version) costs more 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@JustAceCs You are still a poor bastard
@@gamerdaddy2570 probably got more money than you 🤡
The thing with Horizon is it is meant to be arcadeish game, so it will be more optimized for a controller than a wheel. but with sims like Asseto corsa, F1 series etc. These are designed with simulation in mind, so a wheel in this case can help with the emersion and can be quicker, with enough practise.
Did he just say he used a Logitech *G29* on an Xbox exclusive game?
po0P13 it is PC too
@@fifteenfirefoxgamesandvlog8897 oh
When I got a wheel the first 3 weeks I couldn't driveat all because I couldn't handle oversteer. I then learned how to drift. Fixed everything and I could handle oversteer way better and actually start driving S1 rwd cars and rally.
Tl,dr: sucked at driving, learned drifting, became way better
Guys, I really tired to setup this freaking wheel for FH4, but... just for fun, I tried function Invert FFB... And it finally works like it should be, in games like DIRT, ASSETTO, etc... Logitech WHEELS in FH only on INVERT FFB
4:04 - While yes, this game was designed primarily for controllers, I think the ability to tame high-power cars is the "sideeffect" of this game being a semi-arcade. Try a game like BeamNG & you'll see how hard it is to actually control a high-powered car
How do I connect the PS4 steering wheel to PC or laptop?? Did you use an adapter? Or just connected it by usb??
Drifting in this game with a wheel is a freaking nightmare. I don't even try Drifting anymore with a wheel. If I wanna drift ill switch over to Carx or Assetto Corsa.
What car you using? I was spinning out then I got the right car and changed the tunes and wheel settings and I got Bettr
@@rafirahmani8718 dude I've tried all cars 😆 high powered and low powered. Tuned the cars tires,suspension and horse power. The game is meant for controllers not wheels. The game is fun for racing but for drifting I'll go play other games.
@@cptrockstar3292 say no more you think forza horizon 5 will be better adjusted for the wheel?
@@rafirahmani8718 oh man I got my fingers crossed they will.
bro! you give real speech! feeling it
I love it how he is kicking in the clutch while pedal shifting 🤣
I’ll give my own perspective: it feels like one of those racing games at an arcade. You turn the wheel 90° and it’s a full lock, the clutch is mushy and there is just no feeling behind any of the pedals.
Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.
Wheels are awesome but take a long time to get used to. My friend has an actual race seat thing that you strap into and it's on another level.
@HokiHoshi - I have this exact wheel, just can't use it right now because I don't have a decent chair to sit in comfortably.
Great vid btw! It makes me want to throw mine on again. Also, give us more! Even if it's in other games.
*before watching the video
It's a lot of fun to drive with a steering wheel, especially drifting but you need a good setup cause you can't just "kick the joystick" to the other side to correct a drift, you have a disadvantage against keyboard and controller players, but you'll definitely have a lot more fun
Much harder to drift with a wheel, but much more fun. On a controller you can fully turn the wheel one way with a flick of a finger, with a wheel you have to take the time to fully turn the wheel 480 degrees.
I'd argue that a racing wheel is a must have for any racing game. (Except arcade titles like Forza or nfs, controller will do but racing wheel only enhances the experience)
I bought my g920 and shifter for horizon 3. It's realistic. Clutch travel, Turing ratio, Suspension travel etc, are all noticed for each car.
The thing is How do you drive a s1 car at 180 through country roads. You don't.. G forces won't allow it. And it's something you feel immediately when using a wheel in horizon.
It takes practice and proper breaking. But I love trying to keep up with pad users in a realistic way.
- [ ] I bought a Thrustmaster T-150 (PS3, PS4), three years ago, for $105 on Amazon, on Black Friday, which was sweet, and looking at the racers jump, within the PS3 era and within the PS4, there‘s _been_ a HUGE difference in mechanical sophistication and graphical fidelity/stability, from the beginning to the end of the PS4 era, and there’s still a year, for more games. That didn’t seem quite as contrasting, from _Collin McRae: DiRT Rally_ (PS3, 2007), to _DiRT 3_ (PS3; 2011l), then from _DiRT Rally_ (PS4, 2015 - about four years and one month, between games), through _DiRT 4_ (PS4; 2017), to look at _DiRT Rally 2.0_ (PS4, 2019; about four years and one month). _DiRT Rally 2.0 is incredible, as are Gran Turismo Sport, Assetto Corsa; Competizione,_ and _Project Cars 2.0,_as compared to their early-PS4 counterparts.
- [ ] With a wheel - the T-150 also comes with plastic pedals and paddle gears, which rock - PS4 racing is so great (and what X-Box does, too, with what it has, for a library), at least a second tier Thrustmaster, or an entry tier Logitech (about $100, to as much as $150, if quickly necessary.
- [ ] I waited a month and a half, for a Christmas sale and saved $45, along with getting a good education, about wheels, their expandability, and their compatibility with systems (the T-150 does both the PS3 and PS4) and games (like _The Crew,_ *some* _NFS_ but *not the* _NFS_ reboot, _Burn out: Paradise City Remastered,_ and etc.)
- [ ] If you really like racing and have a way to set it up, with stability, then grab one, especially if they’re on sale - or got for it, and get a full setup, with pneumatic cage. That would kick ass! (Also get a PC, in that case... )
Hey, can you show your configuration for the wheel? Because I have the same and it feels completely unresponsive.
After playing fh4 with the g27 for about 4 hours of gameplay, i can say the dirt rally racing series is probably the most fun.
I can also say that the steering physics needs work but it isn't too far off from any other real simulation racing games. (besides the fact the drifting is way off compared to assetto corsa).
Hey hoki love your vids. Just wanted to know if the USB handrake works. I want one, but the only method I see is hard wiring it to the wheel.
It works great! Just uses a separate USB port and can be remapped in controls, it's progressive too so not just on/off!
@@HokiHoshi thanks dude! Keep up the good work!
I bought the wheel and shifter, what games should I play? I’m looking to just free ride, I’m not looking for too much drifting or racing, just simming driving nice cars
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As a G25 user I am totally agree with every single word you've said.