They need to stop and look at why special ammo types existed in the first place: to add viability and utility to certain guns and a reason to pick them over others. There’s no reason to choose the new army now that the officer has bleed. or how the Springfield used to be the only medium ammo gun with access to bleed but a single shot rifle but now since the centennial has access, a gun with better irons, faster rof, and large magazine capacity there’s no reason to pick the Springfield. Money is so unbelievably easy to get now that the mosin price change isn’t an issue even from fresh prestige. So why would you chose the budget guns when the objectively better ones now have access to the special ammo that used to be exclusive.
I mostly agree, but I think I understand the Springfield 1886's niche. Can't quote stats to you, but I think it's bullet velocity makes it the medium ammo sniper option. It hits headshots much easier and has a scoped 2-slot version. I still prefer a long ammo rifle, but it's "not bad". Would I take a Centennial instead? Yes, but only for the short/mid range purpose. I'd take the new Specter carbine over both of them. This is the problem with escalating options and introducing new guns to a game where the weapon balance is based on few yet uniquely suited weapons. Overlap and hard meta eventually emerge. That said, overall I think they've done a great job.
I feel like this is an ancient issue but it took the engine update and awful UI update to slowly start making it a talking point, however so much has been done that it would be tricky to unpick the mess of changes. I think it's possible but I wonder if the devs will do it or just say we need to accept the changes.
@@BrenoAmado oddly bad take unless you're sitting in the mines. this map is incredibly open, even has some points that give you incredible sightlines. the new rifle feels really nice though since its decent at mid range and hits hard.
@@spoof6023 Sure.. you can use whatever you want.. even snipers.. what i'm saying is that fast shooting guns and one shot kill guns does the best in this map, because you have a ton of covers to close the gap.. and if you miss the head with a slower rifle (that happens everytime in this verticalized map), with a fast shooting gun you can secure the kill without the guy walking 1 m to get 37.000 different covers to save him.
Hottake: Throwing spear is killing the game. Remove it or nerf it. Its just way too overpowered at everything. Its a OHK on all PVE creatures except bosses. Its a OHK against hunters when thrown. Its a OHK against hunters in CQC. It has literally zero downsides and makes all other melee tools worthless in comparison.
Its literally undoes all the changes to melee tools Crytek made. They nerfed melee tools so people would be more likely to take full melee weapons and guns with melee attachments. Then they released the spear which throws it all in the garbage. I love the spear, but it is definitely OP and makes every other tool worthless.
@@MamaGrell1992 I can't even remember the last time I've seen someone bring a cavalry sabre into a match. I would make the throwing spear do very low damage at close range to give other melee tools like the knife a chance to shine.
The snipers are the lebel and the krag, he also uses a mosin nagant obrez thats the one that needs quartermaster. The shotguns first the rival shorty using the quartermaster trait, after auto5 with slugs, slate with slugs and the last one normal rival. The pistols most used were dolch precision(the one that has 10 bullets) and for long ammo pistols were the uppercut first then the uppermat that needs the quarter master at the end, he also uses a scootfield spitfire with fmj in the first clip to support the lebel sniper!
If you wanna run cheap loadouts, the rule of thumb is Compact ammo is useless unless you opt-in for special ammo to give it the kick it needs to be competitive, same go's for medium ammo. Just pick accordingly to your play style, for example, I pick: -Springfield 1886/Spitfire with dumdum ammo because the Springfield has 2 slots for special ammo that I apply 1 dumdum ammo that increases my reserves for my Spitfire pistol, both are medium ammo and great in cqc. Your gonna give every Hunter a Period.😂😂😂😂
@@stern2701 for sure this is the meta atm. or the reverse long mosin with shorty. shorty can still do serious work in compounds. I like these changes and tehy allow rifle players to push into compounds instead of stalemates while they wait outside. furthermore quartermaster is now s tier trait.
It's hard to deny that the viability of certain small and medium ammo guns hasn't gone up. I think it would be worse if the expensive long ammo rifles were suddenly on tier with the winfield 73s. The vetterli was always a stand out in medium ammo rifles, and its relatively low velocity was always its primary downside.
The compact and medium ammo guns should be better at closer ranges...but they aren't because how the game plays. The fact that they have TERRIBLE pen without FMJ makes them very bad at higher MMR. FMJ nerfed hard with bullet drop.
well if only those "expensive" long ammo rifles were actually you know expensive. Besides the new price of the mosin (why Crytek does it cost 2x the krag while being a side grade?) all long ammo guns are fair cheap. The krag price for instance makes no sense and even less after the massive buffs it has received. Why does it not cost 500-600$+? Compact and medium is supposed to be worst but with the current economy of hunt the best weapons are far too cheap. Ive always looked fondly at the nitro for actually having a good price to performance and think other weapons so copy that balance.
@@ramsaybolton9151 If an item negates a major downside of a weapon then yes, it should introduce a new downside to go along with it. Compact with FMJ still has less drop than long ammo for similar penetration power.
@@datamining2340 I wouldn't call high price such a downside for high mmr players, especially since economy changes and huntollars farming during events, but I agree, 600-700 should be the lowest possible for a krag for example and I wouldn't mind mosin being even 900 or something like that
@@ramsaybolton9151 Would be interesting to see what would happen if Crytek nerfed long ammo rifles to increase cycle time even more. That would make compact and medium ammo more viable at closer ranges.
Only meta change I really hate (and this has been going on for a bit) is the flare and fusee burning change. At first I was interested, as those were never taken, but now everytime you get downed, you are just instantly on fire, making finding lanterns pointless. I'd like to at minimum see a change where salve skin would prevent you from getting lit and burning unless it was a continual flame first.
Nah cause then u have to sit around and wait 10 minutes to make sure someone is actually dead. Now you can get your kill burn them and move on. I play solo all the time and revive myself before they even get a chance to burn me. If you're playing in a group don't split off or push alone. It makes it way more balanced then the old version
I don’t agree. This new change makes the game much quicker and forces fights. Especially with how easy it is to get restoration now. The only thing I will say is the double nerf is maybe too much. I like the 60 second smokes, but the fire does burn just a little too quick. Maybe a 10% reduction in speed for both w/out and with salve skin.
@@jacob-tc4kp "If you're playing in a group, don't split off or push alone" and there is the problem. Getting downed is now so punishing, that nobody every splits up, or split pushes, nobody is taking risks in my games, because getting downed means you're always just going to get burned out.
24:35 im crying watching it over and over. It also adds to it when you turn to your friend "dude you have no idea" and he flicks on a grunt real quick hahaha comedy
no matter the meta, the vast majority of guns in this game two tap to the body and one tap to the head at any range so it really comes down to pen and velo, both of which can be remedied with special ammo types if they're really an issue. the main reason you would care about high damage is one taps to the body after someone has been downed. point is play with what you want and you can make it work because most guns in the game still function well
No one said, that you cant win with other weapons. Meta doesnt mean that everything else sucks, it just means its the most strongest and you have the highest winrates with it, and thats an undeniable fact. And i think it should be a focus to have an eye on the meta and just change things, that are just way to strong.
I've noticed a few things. 1. I'm getting more kills per life than I used to. My K:D has improved, though I haven't changed my go to weapons or playstyle much. 2. Medium ammo guns are now more competitive with the Long ammo kings, with the exceptions of Mosin Spitzer and Krag incindiary. I have yet to find a combo that beats those on strict performance alone. 3. People are straight up ignoring bleed condition in fights. They don't seem to care if they are gushing life force, they try to stick out the fight until they die or kill you. Don't know why. 4. Shotgun spread is still inconsistent and seems to work for everyone except my squad, not just me, my buddies have difficulty getting a kill with them let alone consistency... yet we are dying to them at what feels like absurd ranges, even through cover without slugs. The screenshots I could post... 5. Compact ammo is laughably weak. Unless you get a headshot, like every other weapon, it feels like spitting on someone. 6. Levering and Fanning seem much more inconsistent... to the point me and my buddies are not buying the traits anymore. It's aggravating to rely on it for a short range panic button and just watch every bullet curve around the opponent. Not like it used to be.
Centential and springfield bleed ammos both apply max bleed now. I think that when you account for at least one tick of that it improves the damage those guns do over distance quite a bit. Ive been using a Spriny markman and a Scottfield both with bleed for a cheap verstile loadout with a big ammo pool that slaps over any distance.
I'm a brand new hunt player as before I had no idea what the game was but with the introduction of alot of extraction shooters I had a good idea but this game is so unique and beautiful at the same time. Games like this I feel like we're made for me.
when Im playing Trios ill run the lemat carbine with the hand crossbow, poison and choke bolt. undderslung shotgun with a followup shot tends to be plenty for most hunters, and the crossbow can remove sight lines and rotates quite well. wouldnt take it solo as it doesnt really have as much consistent firepower, but in trios it feels really good
I think they went overboard on the high velo nerfs, and should be attempting to make medium and compact ammo guns a little more meta instead of nerfing the best ammo type for them because of one or two good weapons EDIT: also please play more with other people its so fun to watch
Well they did it, because some weapons were just op with it and the ammo type was just an straight upgrade to normal ammo, when special ammo normally always has a negative trait to balance it (like poison, fire and dumdum unable to pen for an example). But they went way to hard with it, also with fmj. They couldve just nerfed the specific guns or removed these ammo types for these weapons (like fmj for dolch). Wouldve been better then making an whole ammo type worse
@@poppychalupa9390 well yes obviously thats op, but dont nerf the whole ammo type nerf the guns that are op, carbine, marathon, centennial. I just think they went overboard
Krag deserved to get buffed, i don't think anybody will disagree with that, but so far it has gotten 3 buffs 124 damage to 126 damage, which now allows 1-shot bodytaps which was incredibly frustrating design of fighting against long ammo 3 extra rounds, which means the Krag with its great rate of fire has more ammo to hose down at you, in isolation think is fine but with the damage buff it makes it kind of exhausting knowing that it has 18 rounds Price reduction, probably the smallest most insignificant change here but still a highlight that Crytek wants this weapon to be seen more in lower Elo overall i appreciate that the Krag is an extremely strong option, since i was so tired of the Mosin, but it shouldn't have gotten so many buffs at once, if you gave it more ammo for example that would've been fine on itso wn.
Reducing the ammo pool to 16 in total would be fine. I don't understand why uppercut precision got 15 reserve ammo as well 🙃 that on the level of martini henry
Am i weird for having the silenced vetterli as my all time go to and favourite. Doesnt matter if i need the silenced aspect or not i just love that gun.
My 5* loadouts recently have been either quartermaster lebel db or officer carbine deadeye, this map really feels like you need a long and close range option at all times. Haven't tried sniping the middle mountain area yet, hopefully you make video showing some spots or something. Love your vids
I understand the need in shifting the meta, and I don't mind it to some extend. But with their balance tweaks in terms of drop, Crytek opened a new can of worms, especially with the new always lethal headhots. Because now most medium ammo guns on HV bullets outrange long ammo guns. To the point where a cheap 42 (or smth) bucks Springfield 1886 Marksman with HV outranges Mosin Nagant Sniper that costs 600+ bucks (because on the range beyond 140 meters Mosin will hit the Springfield in the chest while Springfield will still land a headshot up to 180 meters). That's weird. Also Uppercut, while being a good gun, is completey outclassed by Pax Trueshot, because now you don't have to worry about the headshot range, so you can take a gun that is three times cheaper than Uppercut, has a larger 'zero' distance, and lands a lethal headhot on the range where you need to re-adjust your aim with Uppercut (and Uppermat). Which is also weird. So, yeah, balancing is needed here because we have a new wave of guns that are more preferrable than the others and that are outclassing these others.
Nah not really, Long ammo is still supirior. First of all, money doesnt have value in hunt, because most players have so many hunt doller, that is doesnt matter what they wanna play, you have enough cash for it, so the price difference doesnt matter at all. And high velo ammo got nerfed, its way slower then before and does less dmg now, so thats just a nerf for medium and Compact ammo, because only martini has high velo as a long ammo weapon, so they arent effected by that nerf. Also even with high velo most medium ammo weapon nearly reach the normal bullet velo from basic long ammo rifle. But you ignored the fact, that most of long ammo rifles have spitzer, which is just high velo with fmj combined and if i remember correctly it hasnt even been touched the patch, so in fact long ammo is still as strong and medium/Compact got hit. And dont come with bulletdrop, in most of your fight you arent even in range where Bulletdrop begins and even if youre above 150m, the drop off isnt that hard. So something like Krag or mosin still outshines cenntenial by a mile, even with high velo. The only long ammo weapons, that really got a bigger nerf are the pistols. Uppercut and uppermat got reduced dmg (you cant kill hunter with bodyshots after 1 down anymore, with is sometimes importain). Also with these pistols you really feel the bullet drop. But i think this is healthy, because before you could pick an shotgun and use these pistols and had the strongest melee power with range power near to the rifles, and that wasnt balanced. If your big weapon is melee focused, you should be weaker at range battles
It felt like I was cross mapping people with the slate shotgun when I played last night, shotguns feel great. But I feel for me, it's medium ammo, with all the damage changes in a lot of cases it's almost the exact same as long ammo, but you are getting better drop off, and like double ammo capacity, but also mainly just loosing velocity. From my experience, it's medium now.
The thing is in over 90% of the times the bullet drop doesnt matter at all. Most weapons just have a drop beginning at like 150m (i speak mostly about rifles here), and in most moments youre just around that range. And even if youre over 150m away, the drop is kinda small and ez to get used to. So it doesnt nerfed long ammo at all. So it still has the fastest bullet velocity (which is importain for distance fights) and also the most damage (has still the smallest damage falloff over range). Medium ammo got better but still cant reach long ammo and also most medium rifles arent that good sadly. Only the cenntenial is kinda good.
For me, the meta is still the same but is even more balance. What I like about hunt is the fact that you can play every weapon, with the recent change it’s even more true for me, except for some weapon who relies on high velocity ammo (vetterli is the best example, complety ruined now) Ofc meta is about long ammo mosin dolch blabla but it doesn’t mean other weapon are bad, for me.
Honestly everything feels really good rn. The new gun does a tad bit too much damage tbh for a medium ammo type it might be slow but hits harder than martini. I'd say, put that thing to springfield damage; but near sparks damage just makes that thing a little scary to fight. Slugs' drop barely affects it and the deviation is pretty small they should increase the two of those tbh, now that everyone has access to them. There are a few guns like vetterli, berthier, and lebel that i dont really use but the last time i touched them during this event the felt kinda off.
Add long (any) ammo penetration nerf Penetration should do full damage only when you use dedicated pen ammo. A solid -10% to dmg on average when you wallbang a single wall then -35% on 2 or more walls should be a thing. You can even make this dmg reduction dependant of the surface you shoot. Hay = 5%, Wood = 10%, aluminium/metal = 15%. You can even buff some under used long ammo weapons by getting them a reduced penalty and increased penetration. And nerf spitz by removing 1 or 2 more bullets from the loadout but bring back the a proper 126 dmg to balance it out. This simple change would make compact & medium much more used with penetration
At 3:15 how did you even see those 2 people so quickly, at full screen, x0.25 speed and having my eyes glued to my monitor I could even barely see the enemy's especially the guy on the balcony.
The meta went from long ammo rifle with uppercut to long ammo rifle with dolch or sometimes medium slot shotguns. Shotguns are still pretty good, but against players who keep their distance it starts lacking as per usual. Compact guns are almost exclusively bad except for rolling the dice with levering, as the levering buffs are pretty good. Medium ammo is also as per usual sub-par, you neither have the push of long ammo nor the RoF of compact. The only guns I really would play if i wanted to tryhard apart from the mentioned meta and shotguns would maybe be the cyclone because its just fun to spam or Winnie swift for levering rng, i have started to like the winnie silencer with levering tbh, but thats just because i have a thing for silencers
Lower long ammo ammo pool, lower damage (certainly rollback Krag buff), increase cycle and reload times. Even with all this it will still be better than other guns.
I like the idea of, if everything is OP, nothing is. Like borderlands. The only meta change I think that needs to be made is reducing spear damage by about 25% for melee and thrown.
6:50 had me rolling, Waxed dynamite gaming indeed, a perfect example of poor positioning by the enemy team, never be near a teammate if there is any explosives primed in the area, chokes or not.
I feel like the weapon changes aren't nearly as impactful as what really causes these issues to stand out: a much better map for exchanges at distance. The compact ammo feels as though it simply doesn't have the velocity to be valuable unless you're a headshot machine, and spoiler alert, most people aren't. I love the changes, but the compact ammo feels outclasses even more so than was made evident in the past with closer range exchanges and smaller compounds, but the medium ammo has suffered as well. I feel as though balances will be made, or maybe even another map will come into play sooner rather than later that makes the weapons that are for closer exchanges more viable. I'm really enjoying Hunt atm, so much so that I've prestiaged to really get to grips with how each weapon behaves from scratch - although I'll have to start hitting shots to really work things out 😂
When are the tier 2 and 3 hunters coming? And i hate how easy it is to headshot players now and how the damage drop has caused some high power guns to not be able to One Hit Kill like they should, but it takes like 3 shots or a bit more
Medium ammo just feels much better to use, as do shotguns. The Drilling has been a favorite of mine post patch, and feels much stronger at distance than it did before.
I am not suprised that the meta hasn't changed. That said the spear needs to be a melee weapon that you get two uses of. Everyone having a OHK thrown/long reach melee is getting old fast.
@@spoof6023spear is not fine it’s very clear how unbalanced it is, and the fact is not even a 2 slot weapon is even more ridiculous because it’s straight up better than the bat, Sabre and katana. Step into a 6 star lobby and literally everyone has stim shot and spear and just melee spam the bosses and you say that is balanced? 😅
@@poppychalupa9390 yes, im in those lobbies. I run it every now and then. Only thing i can agree with is the damage. Other than that its fine. Againt you get one, its sometimes just gets eaten into the void and cant be retrieved. Ive gotten a few kills that seem to be too far but i think its alright.
I think the hunting bow is the most fun it has ever been and I hope they don't nerf it. It's so good and satisfying. But other than that nothing comes close to long ammo guns.
Are people getting fps drops still? For some reason i still struggle with this. I have an rtx 3070 paired with an i7-12700k with low settings on. Have tried with both DLSS and without. In some compounds, especially the trainyard, my fps drops significantly. Most of them are fine but I still get the occasional performance drop, which is still really noticeable. The fps are fine if I'm just out and about. Slight fps drops might also occur inside buildings. Idk what to do about this quite frankly.
Hey hornet your using an ammo box that comes with the mountie dlc for some reason after the update i cant use any of it do u have any idea what it could be? . Great video as always by the way ❤
I think they should consider making most long ammo guns 4 slot. This means without quarter master you can’t just automatically load into a match with Dolche + Long ammo. It also removes other strong meta picks like dolche precision and 2 slot shotties with quartermaster. You can leave the sparks and martini Henry as 3 and then I think there will be more variety in load outs.
So the one shot range was unchanged for shotguns but in the shooting range, the lemat underbarrel pistol shotgun is one shotting targets with buckshot at like 8-9 meters for me? Am I missing something or is the one shot just bugged for that gun rn? Prior to the update that thing would only one shot at like 4-5 meters MAYBE.
The lemat under barrel is considered a short barrel shotgun and all shotguns got their effective range increased across the board. Ppl sleeping on lemat
bro, this may sound dumb, but is there any way you could show the loadout with the guns' names before the matches/in the begining of the video? im a scrub so i have a hard time identifying the guns just by how they look
All in all, the balance feels better than ever. Shotguns are in a good place, compact and medium ammo have closed the gap on long ammo by quite a bit, deadeye scopes are actually good now, and medium slot guns are all in a much better place. The only major outliers are the spear's cheesieness and the Krag's price (it should be as expensive as the Mosin). Also, Vetterli has long been an FMJ gun.
Im in 6 star consistently now so I'd say i use alot of different guns, but the ones i use alot haven't been the krag or dolch its mostly fun loadouts. I hate the burn time being chnaged though worst thing by far.
I'm personally loving the recent buckshot buff. I hate running slugs on the LeMat cuz it's expensive and it's kind of counterintuitive for how I fight with shotguns. But now I can run a LeMat with FMJ and buckshot on a budget loadout and I'm good to go. All the other shotguns genuinely feel more like real scatterguns, and the LeMat's underbarrel feels like what it should be: an aggressive CQC companion piece.
MMR in this game kind of blows. Ive only been playing since the newest update and im in 5-6 star lobbies. Just feels crazy going against level 50-100 prestiges every game. Even worse when i try to play with my boy who only plays for a fraction of the time. The game is so good too.
i think shotguns were fine before they just needed to nerd long ammo or buff small and medium which they kinda buffed small and nerfed medium a bit which medium needed the most buffs imo atleast to muzzle vol
Honestly, I don't really care about the meta. I play whatever I want the moment I make my loadout. I'm perma-6*, but here in South America games aren't as sweaty as in Europe or the US, so there's place for your Bomb Lances and your Romeros, you know?
only thing i dont like is everyone sniping since the map is so open. idk if its the fact im on NA or what but the amount of scoped weapons i find are ridiculous. i personally am a shotgun main.
I cant enjoy the update so far. i play on a rtx 3070 with wqhd and even if i drop down all the settings to low, i got barley 60 fps. Does anyone have the same problem?
I think it was silly to nerf hv damage AND reserve ammo AND velocity. maybe just 2 of those 3, though I won't deny hv was usually the best pick on any gun that had it. sometimes feels like crytek wants long ammo to always be the meta. ah well.
@@foxmcloud01damage buff was fine, but the ammo was just too much as previously most people sacrificed their 2nd slot for ammo which was kind of balancing it. If you heard a krag you were like 90% sure that the guy doesnt have a CQC sidearm
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They need to stop and look at why special ammo types existed in the first place: to add viability and utility to certain guns and a reason to pick them over others. There’s no reason to choose the new army now that the officer has bleed. or how the Springfield used to be the only medium ammo gun with access to bleed but a single shot rifle but now since the centennial has access, a gun with better irons, faster rof, and large magazine capacity there’s no reason to pick the Springfield. Money is so unbelievably easy to get now that the mosin price change isn’t an issue even from fresh prestige. So why would you chose the budget guns when the objectively better ones now have access to the special ammo that used to be exclusive.
Pretty much 100000000000000000000000% true.
I mostly agree, but I think I understand the Springfield 1886's niche. Can't quote stats to you, but I think it's bullet velocity makes it the medium ammo sniper option. It hits headshots much easier and has a scoped 2-slot version. I still prefer a long ammo rifle, but it's "not bad". Would I take a Centennial instead? Yes, but only for the short/mid range purpose. I'd take the new Specter carbine over both of them.
This is the problem with escalating options and introducing new guns to a game where the weapon balance is based on few yet uniquely suited weapons. Overlap and hard meta eventually emerge. That said, overall I think they've done a great job.
New army's recoil is way easier to handle, it reloads faster if empty and 2taps more consistently.
I feel like this is an ancient issue but it took the engine update and awful UI update to slowly start making it a talking point, however so much has been done that it would be tricky to unpick the mess of changes. I think it's possible but I wonder if the devs will do it or just say we need to accept the changes.
New army two shots body + arm, whereas officier doesn't. Big reason why I only choose officer for high velo
New Meta with the thousands of changes that changes THE ENTIRE GAME!!!
Long Ammo with Dolch. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dolch Uppercut would be genuine insanity... But I love it.
@@L0rd_20 he's saying the only things being used are long ammo and dolch.
Nah.. i'm pretty sure the meta now is spam guns and shotguns.. you don't have space enough for rifles in this map.
@@BrenoAmado oddly bad take unless you're sitting in the mines. this map is incredibly open, even has some points that give you incredible sightlines. the new rifle feels really nice though since its decent at mid range and hits hard.
@@spoof6023 Sure.. you can use whatever you want.. even snipers.. what i'm saying is that fast shooting guns and one shot kill guns does the best in this map, because you have a ton of covers to close the gap.. and if you miss the head with a slower rifle (that happens everytime in this verticalized map), with a fast shooting gun you can secure the kill without the guy walking 1 m to get 37.000 different covers to save him.
Hottake: Throwing spear is killing the game. Remove it or nerf it. Its just way too overpowered at everything. Its a OHK on all PVE creatures except bosses. Its a OHK against hunters when thrown. Its a OHK against hunters in CQC. It has literally zero downsides and makes all other melee tools worthless in comparison.
Its literally undoes all the changes to melee tools Crytek made. They nerfed melee tools so people would be more likely to take full melee weapons and guns with melee attachments. Then they released the spear which throws it all in the garbage. I love the spear, but it is definitely OP and makes every other tool worthless.
why does that kill the game?
@@MamaGrell1992 I can't even remember the last time I've seen someone bring a cavalry sabre into a match.
I would make the throwing spear do very low damage at close range to give other melee tools like the knife a chance to shine.
To balance spear, the price is up now by 100$ stop complaining and git gud
Hunt player challenge: Talk about something that bothers you without saying it's killing the game. IMPOSSIBLE
Im new idk what like any of these guns are.... Putting the loadouts on screen would be cool for new players...
I concur !
Main weapons: Lebel, Krag, Crown and King, Slate, Rival
Secondary weapons: Uppercut, Rival shorty(requires quartermaster), New Army swift, Mosin Obrez drum (quartermaster), Dolch Precision (quartermaster), Uppermat
hope this helps
The snipers are the lebel and the krag, he also uses a mosin nagant obrez thats the one that needs quartermaster. The shotguns first the rival shorty using the quartermaster trait, after auto5 with slugs, slate with slugs and the last one normal rival. The pistols most used were dolch precision(the one that has 10 bullets) and for long ammo pistols were the uppercut first then the uppermat that needs the quarter master at the end, he also uses a scootfield spitfire with fmj in the first clip to support the lebel sniper!
worth mentioning that the uppermat is now called the haymaker
If you wanna run cheap loadouts, the rule of thumb is Compact ammo is useless unless you opt-in for special ammo to give it the kick it needs to be competitive, same go's for medium ammo. Just pick accordingly to your play style, for example, I pick: -Springfield 1886/Spitfire with dumdum ammo because the Springfield has 2 slots for special ammo that I apply 1 dumdum ammo that increases my reserves for my Spitfire pistol, both are medium ammo and great in cqc. Your gonna give every Hunter a Period.😂😂😂😂
"I will be using the most meta stuff"
*proceeds to kill a poor soul with the flare gun
4:42 that is what we call a paid actor
die for fall damege is the most felis thing to do
24:30 made me choke on my food
Lmao
My favourite part of the new meta has been using medium slot weapons tbh
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why are now so important?
@@Kaizzzmanmy guess is because of the headshot one shot kill always thing now. Mosin shorty and mace are my go to paired with shotgun slot.
@@stern2701 Obrez mace is goated
@@stern2701 for sure this is the meta atm. or the reverse long mosin with shorty. shorty can still do serious work in compounds. I like these changes and tehy allow rifle players to push into compounds instead of stalemates while they wait outside. furthermore quartermaster is now s tier trait.
It's hard to deny that the viability of certain small and medium ammo guns hasn't gone up. I think it would be worse if the expensive long ammo rifles were suddenly on tier with the winfield 73s. The vetterli was always a stand out in medium ammo rifles, and its relatively low velocity was always its primary downside.
The compact and medium ammo guns should be better at closer ranges...but they aren't because how the game plays. The fact that they have TERRIBLE pen without FMJ makes them very bad at higher MMR. FMJ nerfed hard with bullet drop.
well if only those "expensive" long ammo rifles were actually you know expensive. Besides the new price of the mosin (why Crytek does it cost 2x the krag while being a side grade?) all long ammo guns are fair cheap. The krag price for instance makes no sense and even less after the massive buffs it has received. Why does it not cost 500-600$+?
Compact and medium is supposed to be worst but with the current economy of hunt the best weapons are far too cheap. Ive always looked fondly at the nitro for actually having a good price to performance and think other weapons so copy that balance.
@@ramsaybolton9151 If an item negates a major downside of a weapon then yes, it should introduce a new downside to go along with it. Compact with FMJ still has less drop than long ammo for similar penetration power.
@@datamining2340 I wouldn't call high price such a downside for high mmr players, especially since economy changes and huntollars farming during events, but I agree, 600-700 should be the lowest possible for a krag for example and I wouldn't mind mosin being even 900 or something like that
@@ramsaybolton9151 Would be interesting to see what would happen if Crytek nerfed long ammo rifles to increase cycle time even more. That would make compact and medium ammo more viable at closer ranges.
Only meta change I really hate (and this has been going on for a bit) is the flare and fusee burning change. At first I was interested, as those were never taken, but now everytime you get downed, you are just instantly on fire, making finding lanterns pointless. I'd like to at minimum see a change where salve skin would prevent you from getting lit and burning unless it was a continual flame first.
Nah cause then u have to sit around and wait 10 minutes to make sure someone is actually dead. Now you can get your kill burn them and move on. I play solo all the time and revive myself before they even get a chance to burn me. If you're playing in a group don't split off or push alone. It makes it way more balanced then the old version
I don’t agree. This new change makes the game much quicker and forces fights. Especially with how easy it is to get restoration now. The only thing I will say is the double nerf is maybe too much. I like the 60 second smokes, but the fire does burn just a little too quick. Maybe a 10% reduction in speed for both w/out and with salve skin.
@@jacob-tc4kp "If you're playing in a group, don't split off or push alone" and there is the problem. Getting downed is now so punishing, that nobody every splits up, or split pushes, nobody is taking risks in my games, because getting downed means you're always just going to get burned out.
24:35 im crying watching it over and over. It also adds to it when you turn to your friend "dude you have no idea" and he flicks on a grunt real quick hahaha comedy
Really liked the informative section in the beginning !
0:01 Hank (headshot) Clark
So true
big memory keeper for me , since i recruited him in 2019
no matter the meta, the vast majority of guns in this game two tap to the body and one tap to the head at any range so it really comes down to pen and velo, both of which can be remedied with special ammo types if they're really an issue. the main reason you would care about high damage is one taps to the body after someone has been downed. point is play with what you want and you can make it work because most guns in the game still function well
No one said, that you cant win with other weapons. Meta doesnt mean that everything else sucks, it just means its the most strongest and you have the highest winrates with it, and thats an undeniable fact. And i think it should be a focus to have an eye on the meta and just change things, that are just way to strong.
*NEW GUNPLAY META CHANGES*
*Holds E to Banish*
Dolch + Long Ammo
“He stinks of solo” and I felt very attacked by that
bruh the grunt on 11:38 made me laugh
Honestly, didn't even know that could happen.
AROUND THE WORLD!! 🕺🏻
Haha thx for sharing
Big man making the meta KNOWN , thank you Hornet
If you didnt know before, then idk man. Was very obious
@@chikay1520 leave it to the random youtube watcher to ruin a normal thing to say. Not everyone plays this 24/7...GROW UP
@@KarmicalTV bruh chill 😂 why so mad
@@chikay1520 XDDDDDD
But I would also say that scoped weapons are generally more viable because of the long distances you can see if you are in the mountains
They're not. Already forgot about bull drop?
@@jordanjohnson9995 so you cant aim heard.
I've noticed a few things.
1. I'm getting more kills per life than I used to. My K:D has improved, though I haven't changed my go to weapons or playstyle much.
2. Medium ammo guns are now more competitive with the Long ammo kings, with the exceptions of Mosin Spitzer and Krag incindiary. I have yet to find a combo that beats those on strict performance alone.
3. People are straight up ignoring bleed condition in fights. They don't seem to care if they are gushing life force, they try to stick out the fight until they die or kill you. Don't know why.
4. Shotgun spread is still inconsistent and seems to work for everyone except my squad, not just me, my buddies have difficulty getting a kill with them let alone consistency... yet we are dying to them at what feels like absurd ranges, even through cover without slugs. The screenshots I could post...
5. Compact ammo is laughably weak. Unless you get a headshot, like every other weapon, it feels like spitting on someone.
6. Levering and Fanning seem much more inconsistent... to the point me and my buddies are not buying the traits anymore. It's aggravating to rely on it for a short range panic button and just watch every bullet curve around the opponent. Not like it used to be.
Rachta/Hornet/Vambuz the holy trio
Centential and springfield bleed ammos both apply max bleed now. I think that when you account for at least one tick of that it improves the damage those guns do over distance quite a bit. Ive been using a Spriny markman and a Scottfield both with bleed for a cheap verstile loadout with a big ammo pool that slaps over any distance.
I'm a brand new hunt player as before I had no idea what the game was but with the introduction of alot of extraction shooters I had a good idea but this game is so unique and beautiful at the same time. Games like this I feel like we're made for me.
Great production plus the intro, amazing!
Great explanation and great display of skills hornet, really well put video to share with my new in hunt friends!
Before big update: *Long Ammo is meta*
After update: “Let’s nerf all the medium and compact guns ammo types so they cannot compete with long ammo”
🤯
when Im playing Trios ill run the lemat carbine with the hand crossbow, poison and choke bolt. undderslung shotgun with a followup shot tends to be plenty for most hunters, and the crossbow can remove sight lines and rotates quite well. wouldnt take it solo as it doesnt really have as much consistent firepower, but in trios it feels really good
I think they went overboard on the high velo nerfs, and should be attempting to make medium and compact ammo guns a little more meta instead of nerfing the best ammo type for them because of one or two good weapons
EDIT: also please play more with other people its so fun to watch
Well they did it, because some weapons were just op with it and the ammo type was just an straight upgrade to normal ammo, when special ammo normally always has a negative trait to balance it (like poison, fire and dumdum unable to pen for an example). But they went way to hard with it, also with fmj. They couldve just nerfed the specific guns or removed these ammo types for these weapons (like fmj for dolch). Wouldve been better then making an whole ammo type worse
Use marathon swift with high velocity and tell me it’s not op 2 tapping ppl across the map while being able to mag dump
@@poppychalupa9390 well yes obviously thats op, but dont nerf the whole ammo type nerf the guns that are op, carbine, marathon, centennial. I just think they went overboard
medium shogun loadout so good..now i don't have to commit playing ranged or close quarters gun..i now comfortably breach house and fight outside..
marathon iron eye with high velocity is my fav gun of the update
Krag deserved to get buffed, i don't think anybody will disagree with that, but so far it has gotten 3 buffs
124 damage to 126 damage, which now allows 1-shot bodytaps which was incredibly frustrating design of fighting against long ammo
3 extra rounds, which means the Krag with its great rate of fire has more ammo to hose down at you, in isolation think is fine but with the damage buff it makes it kind of exhausting knowing that it has 18 rounds
Price reduction, probably the smallest most insignificant change here but still a highlight that Crytek wants this weapon to be seen more in lower Elo
overall i appreciate that the Krag is an extremely strong option, since i was so tired of the Mosin, but it shouldn't have gotten so many buffs at once, if you gave it more ammo for example that would've been fine on itso wn.
Reducing the ammo pool to 16 in total would be fine. I don't understand why uppercut precision got 15 reserve ammo as well 🙃 that on the level of martini henry
Am i weird for having the silenced vetterli as my all time go to and favourite. Doesnt matter if i need the silenced aspect or not i just love that gun.
My 5* loadouts recently have been either quartermaster lebel db or officer carbine deadeye, this map really feels like you need a long and close range option at all times. Haven't tried sniping the middle mountain area yet, hopefully you make video showing some spots or something. Love your vids
I understand the need in shifting the meta, and I don't mind it to some extend. But with their balance tweaks in terms of drop, Crytek opened a new can of worms, especially with the new always lethal headhots. Because now most medium ammo guns on HV bullets outrange long ammo guns.
To the point where a cheap 42 (or smth) bucks Springfield 1886 Marksman with HV outranges Mosin Nagant Sniper that costs 600+ bucks (because on the range beyond 140 meters Mosin will hit the Springfield in the chest while Springfield will still land a headshot up to 180 meters).
That's weird.
Also Uppercut, while being a good gun, is completey outclassed by Pax Trueshot, because now you don't have to worry about the headshot range, so you can take a gun that is three times cheaper than Uppercut, has a larger 'zero' distance, and lands a lethal headhot on the range where you need to re-adjust your aim with Uppercut (and Uppermat).
Which is also weird.
So, yeah, balancing is needed here because we have a new wave of guns that are more preferrable than the others and that are outclassing these others.
Nah not really, Long ammo is still supirior. First of all, money doesnt have value in hunt, because most players have so many hunt doller, that is doesnt matter what they wanna play, you have enough cash for it, so the price difference doesnt matter at all. And high velo ammo got nerfed, its way slower then before and does less dmg now, so thats just a nerf for medium and Compact ammo, because only martini has high velo as a long ammo weapon, so they arent effected by that nerf. Also even with high velo most medium ammo weapon nearly reach the normal bullet velo from basic long ammo rifle. But you ignored the fact, that most of long ammo rifles have spitzer, which is just high velo with fmj combined and if i remember correctly it hasnt even been touched the patch, so in fact long ammo is still as strong and medium/Compact got hit. And dont come with bulletdrop, in most of your fight you arent even in range where Bulletdrop begins and even if youre above 150m, the drop off isnt that hard. So something like Krag or mosin still outshines cenntenial by a mile, even with high velo. The only long ammo weapons, that really got a bigger nerf are the pistols. Uppercut and uppermat got reduced dmg (you cant kill hunter with bodyshots after 1 down anymore, with is sometimes importain). Also with these pistols you really feel the bullet drop. But i think this is healthy, because before you could pick an shotgun and use these pistols and had the strongest melee power with range power near to the rifles, and that wasnt balanced. If your big weapon is melee focused, you should be weaker at range battles
Crytek balances these guns like congress balances the budget
I've been trying my best to enjoy the new carbine but...well, this video says it all.
It felt like I was cross mapping people with the slate shotgun when I played last night, shotguns feel great. But I feel for me, it's medium ammo, with all the damage changes in a lot of cases it's almost the exact same as long ammo, but you are getting better drop off, and like double ammo capacity, but also mainly just loosing velocity. From my experience, it's medium now.
The thing is in over 90% of the times the bullet drop doesnt matter at all. Most weapons just have a drop beginning at like 150m (i speak mostly about rifles here), and in most moments youre just around that range. And even if youre over 150m away, the drop is kinda small and ez to get used to. So it doesnt nerfed long ammo at all. So it still has the fastest bullet velocity (which is importain for distance fights) and also the most damage (has still the smallest damage falloff over range). Medium ammo got better but still cant reach long ammo and also most medium rifles arent that good sadly. Only the cenntenial is kinda good.
ive come across so many more unique loadouts then before on console and im all for it
That first kill was nutty bro.
ok ok... i have 800h in Hunt and didnt know, that you can shoot the Swarm with the Flare gun *Facepalm*
That's the beauty of hunt. There's a lot of small details that can make all the difference in certain instances.
The mine entry fight with rachta and delaney on the ground was such a sick save 🙈
jesus this one was nasty hornet 2:06
For me, the meta is still the same but is even more balance. What I like about hunt is the fact that you can play every weapon, with the recent change it’s even more true for me, except for some weapon who relies on high velocity ammo (vetterli is the best example, complety ruined now)
Ofc meta is about long ammo mosin dolch blabla but it doesn’t mean other weapon are bad, for me.
Honestly everything feels really good rn. The new gun does a tad bit too much damage tbh for a medium ammo type it might be slow but hits harder than martini. I'd say, put that thing to springfield damage; but near sparks damage just makes that thing a little scary to fight. Slugs' drop barely affects it and the deviation is pretty small they should increase the two of those tbh, now that everyone has access to them. There are a few guns like vetterli, berthier, and lebel that i dont really use but the last time i touched them during this event the felt kinda off.
hornet just casually the best hunt player of the world.
Add long (any) ammo penetration nerf
Penetration should do full damage only when you use dedicated pen ammo. A solid -10% to dmg on average when you wallbang a single wall then -35% on 2 or more walls should be a thing.
You can even make this dmg reduction dependant of the surface you shoot. Hay = 5%, Wood = 10%, aluminium/metal = 15%. You can even buff some under used long ammo weapons by getting them a reduced penalty and increased penetration.
And nerf spitz by removing 1 or 2 more bullets from the loadout but bring back the a proper 126 dmg to balance it out.
This simple change would make compact & medium much more used with penetration
Love the scripted intro Hornet, more intros like this please!
At 3:15 how did you even see those 2 people so quickly, at full screen, x0.25 speed and having my eyes glued to my monitor I could even barely see the enemy's especially the guy on the balcony.
The meta went from long ammo rifle with uppercut to long ammo rifle with dolch or sometimes medium slot shotguns.
Shotguns are still pretty good, but against players who keep their distance it starts lacking as per usual.
Compact guns are almost exclusively bad except for rolling the dice with levering, as the levering buffs are pretty good.
Medium ammo is also as per usual sub-par, you neither have the push of long ammo nor the RoF of compact.
The only guns I really would play if i wanted to tryhard apart from the mentioned meta and shotguns would maybe be the cyclone because its just fun to spam or Winnie swift for levering rng, i have started to like the winnie silencer with levering tbh, but thats just because i have a thing for silencers
For most of the fights the bullet drop doesn't even affect, specially inside and near the compunds so the long ammo and Dolch are still the meta xD
Lower long ammo ammo pool, lower damage (certainly rollback Krag buff), increase cycle and reload times. Even with all this it will still be better than other guns.
I like the idea of, if everything is OP, nothing is. Like borderlands.
The only meta change I think that needs to be made is reducing spear damage by about 25% for melee and thrown.
6:50 had me rolling, Waxed dynamite gaming indeed, a perfect example of poor positioning by the enemy team, never be near a teammate if there is any explosives primed in the area, chokes or not.
I feel like the weapon changes aren't nearly as impactful as what really causes these issues to stand out: a much better map for exchanges at distance. The compact ammo feels as though it simply doesn't have the velocity to be valuable unless you're a headshot machine, and spoiler alert, most people aren't. I love the changes, but the compact ammo feels outclasses even more so than was made evident in the past with closer range exchanges and smaller compounds, but the medium ammo has suffered as well. I feel as though balances will be made, or maybe even another map will come into play sooner rather than later that makes the weapons that are for closer exchanges more viable. I'm really enjoying Hunt atm, so much so that I've prestiaged to really get to grips with how each weapon behaves from scratch - although I'll have to start hitting shots to really work things out 😂
When are the tier 2 and 3 hunters coming? And i hate how easy it is to headshot players now and how the damage drop has caused some high power guns to not be able to One Hit Kill like they should, but it takes like 3 shots or a bit more
Wow, hornet actually is able to speak
Medium ammo just feels much better to use, as do shotguns. The Drilling has been a favorite of mine post patch, and feels much stronger at distance than it did before.
Feels like Silencer anything and hiding in the pine forest is now meta.
As a sniper we hate you 🥹 Jk you do u man I’ve been enjoying silenced vetterli more
I am not suprised that the meta hasn't changed. That said the spear needs to be a melee weapon that you get two uses of. Everyone having a OHK thrown/long reach melee is getting old fast.
nah spear is fine, and if you're complaining about the usage why increase it?
@@spoof6023spear is not fine it’s very clear how unbalanced it is, and the fact is not even a 2 slot weapon is even more ridiculous because it’s straight up better than the bat, Sabre and katana. Step into a 6 star lobby and literally everyone has stim shot and spear and just melee spam the bosses and you say that is balanced? 😅
@@poppychalupa9390 yes, im in those lobbies. I run it every now and then. Only thing i can agree with is the damage. Other than that its fine. Againt you get one, its sometimes just gets eaten into the void and cant be retrieved. Ive gotten a few kills that seem to be too far but i think its alright.
what sensitivity settings do you have on different crosshair?
I think the hunting bow is the most fun it has ever been and I hope they don't nerf it. It's so good and satisfying. But other than that nothing comes close to long ammo guns.
Are people getting fps drops still? For some reason i still struggle with this. I have an rtx 3070 paired with an i7-12700k with low settings on. Have tried with both DLSS and without. In some compounds, especially the trainyard, my fps drops significantly. Most of them are fine but I still get the occasional performance drop, which is still really noticeable. The fps are fine if I'm just out and about. Slight fps drops might also occur inside buildings. Idk what to do about this quite frankly.
Hey hornet your using an ammo box that comes with the mountie dlc for some reason after the update i cant use any of it do u have any idea what it could be? . Great video as always by the way ❤
yea its bugged for whatever reason
Ok cool as long as its not just a me problem hopfully it will get fixed cheers very much hornet
Very greatest & funny video u are goat on fire Hornet wp.❤🔥❤🔥
I think they should consider making most long ammo guns 4 slot. This means without quarter master you can’t just automatically load into a match with Dolche + Long ammo. It also removes other strong meta picks like dolche precision and 2 slot shotties with quartermaster.
You can leave the sparks and martini Henry as 3 and then I think there will be more variety in load outs.
So the one shot range was unchanged for shotguns but in the shooting range, the lemat underbarrel pistol shotgun is one shotting targets with buckshot at like 8-9 meters for me? Am I missing something or is the one shot just bugged for that gun rn? Prior to the update that thing would only one shot at like 4-5 meters MAYBE.
The lemat under barrel is considered a short barrel shotgun and all shotguns got their effective range increased across the board. Ppl sleeping on lemat
Now imagine shooting someone one shot from 20 feet away from the hip . Makes sense
Bro first 3 minutes of this game you just slaughtered those ppl hahaha
of course he is headshoting the entire lobby ...
Meta is worse then before. Long ammo still op. The nerfs to special ammo was a kick in the balls.
bro, this may sound dumb, but is there any way you could show the loadout with the guns' names before the matches/in the begining of the video? im a scrub so i have a hard time identifying the guns just by how they look
All in all, the balance feels better than ever. Shotguns are in a good place, compact and medium ammo have closed the gap on long ammo by quite a bit, deadeye scopes are actually good now, and medium slot guns are all in a much better place. The only major outliers are the spear's cheesieness and the Krag's price (it should be as expensive as the Mosin).
Also, Vetterli has long been an FMJ gun.
Do you play centered cross after this time?
Yes
The real impressive thing in this video is the 200 fps. I have a 4090 and a i7-13700K and I can barely get an unstable 140 on the lowest settings
i played the last two days all day long duos. 9/10 deaths were from shotguns(slug), bow,spear
What kind of mouse pad do you have
Burning is ridiculously fast.
cent trauma dum dum with a katana is my jam.
I never pay for Tier S meta in Hunt.
I have more fun beating them and looting those guns :)
the shotgun guy was so not needed
Im in 6 star consistently now so I'd say i use alot of different guns, but the ones i use alot haven't been the krag or dolch its mostly fun loadouts. I hate the burn time being chnaged though worst thing by far.
nagant deadeye is the meta
Meta feels better. Still long ammo but less so. I see a lot more variety.
1:07 Trading is totally fine and realistic.
I'm personally loving the recent buckshot buff. I hate running slugs on the LeMat cuz it's expensive and it's kind of counterintuitive for how I fight with shotguns. But now I can run a LeMat with FMJ and buckshot on a budget loadout and I'm good to go. All the other shotguns genuinely feel more like real scatterguns, and the LeMat's underbarrel feels like what it should be: an aggressive CQC companion piece.
your aim is insane
slug is finally how it should be. shotgun power with rifle potential
MMR in this game kind of blows. Ive only been playing since the newest update and im in 5-6 star lobbies. Just feels crazy going against level 50-100 prestiges every game. Even worse when i try to play with my boy who only plays for a fraction of the time. The game is so good too.
24:30 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I've been playing this game as soon it released on console and I only know now waxed dynamites can go through choke clouds...
and i only just now realized you can flare gun hive attacks
i think shotguns were fine before they just needed to nerd long ammo or buff small and medium which they kinda buffed small and nerfed medium a bit which medium needed the most buffs imo atleast to muzzle vol
How do you get that hunter?
No need for hs anymore just put fireammo in a long ammo rifle and be as annoying as you can
Honestly, I don't really care about the meta. I play whatever I want the moment I make my loadout. I'm perma-6*, but here in South America games aren't as sweaty as in Europe or the US, so there's place for your Bomb Lances and your Romeros, you know?
I think throwing spear should be weapon not tools like bomb lance it will be balance loadout
only thing i dont like is everyone sniping since the map is so open. idk if its the fact im on NA or what but the amount of scoped weapons i find are ridiculous. i personally am a shotgun main.
I cant enjoy the update so far. i play on a rtx 3070 with wqhd and even if i drop down all the settings to low, i got barley 60 fps. Does anyone have the same problem?
What is your CPU/ram?
Low settings make the game perform worse, try medium or use Geforce to auto select the settings
try turning on dlss. 3070 is vram limited at only 8GB. With this in combination with a weak CPU it could be a struggle to get higher framerates.
Have you updated your GPU driver?
I have a 4090 and lost like 50 fps WITH DLSS from this update. DLSS is unusable for me because it blurs the game so much I can barely see enemies.
Your aim is cracked
I think it was silly to nerf hv damage AND reserve ammo AND velocity. maybe just 2 of those 3, though I won't deny hv was usually the best pick on any gun that had it. sometimes feels like crytek wants long ammo to always be the meta. ah well.
i think should have stopped buffing the krag 2 patches or so ago, all it needed was extra ammo, none of this increased damage nonsense
It didn't need any buffs, it shoots fast with long ammo
I'd probably agree. More ammo. Damage buff is debatable.
@@foxmcloud01damage buff was fine, but the ammo was just too much as previously most people sacrificed their 2nd slot for ammo which was kind of balancing it. If you heard a krag you were like 90% sure that the guy doesnt have a CQC sidearm
@@kataratak33 real
with this ping any shit is meta