Why your DRUMS Sound like SH*T in a MIx!
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Getting your programmed drums to work in a mix can be a horrific struggle. Getting them to sound HUMAN can be even worse. I've learned by failing. A lot. But once you take the right approach, it can be quite simple. Here's the solution. Get in on the Spectre Digital SPRING THING here: spectredigital.com/plugins/?s...
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I'm Glenn Fricker, engineer here at Spectre Sound Studios. I love making records, and after doing it for sixteen years, I want to pass on what I've learned. On my channel you can find tutorials on how to record guitar, bass, real drums and vocals. There's reviews and demos of tube amps, amp sims, drums, mics, preamps, outboard gear, Electric Guitar, Bass Guitar, and plugin effects.
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Glenn deciding to 127 the editing
A drummer edited this video. The ADHD is off the charts.
Trying a new style. Will adjust accordingly. Thanks for the feedback!
@@SpectreSoundStudios Personally if you can reduce the amount just a hair I think it will be dope!
@@SpectreSoundStudios of course. Love the channel regardless.
I like it, but I do have adhd and I do play a lot of drums
@@SpectreSoundStudios I love the new look man !! Super professional
I'm challenged when it comes to visual aesthetics, so this isn't a value judgement, but I love how the last video's comments were "Wow! Amazing video editing." And this video comments are "Woah, hold on with the editing there. Stop it."
It amuses me that we spent countless hours over the decades in studio trying to reduce bleed as much as possible and now we're putting it back in. Of course, the reason it sounds natural is because we were never able to completely eliminate mic bleed.
I have to say, even though metal is very far from what I do, these drums do sound great and so does the mix.
gonna be another voice saying this editing is way over the top. it was good before Glenn. if it ain't broke - don't fix it!
Trying a new style. Will adjust accordingly. Thanks for the feedback!
It's great to see Glenn having made peace with programmed drums. The problem with them is usually musicians trying to create the most perfect performance without realizing it will sound unrealistic and robotic in a mix. Not to mention some times the drum tracks are "practically" impossible to play for a human drummer (leaving out some amazing human machines, of course). Great video, Glenn!
It's a necessary evil in our day and age. It really helps to study drummers and learn how to properly write for drums. It's so easy to drop some notes on the grid, but it takes time to imitate a human being. Very few will put in the effort.
As a drummer who had the pleasure if recording on 2" tape AND has assimilated to programming my drums with midi, thank you for this video. Dynamics is everything to authentic percussion.
Brick snare is the perfect word to describe the typical Humanitys Last Breath/Octanecore snare.
I can never find out if i like or dislike it to be honest
25 years of programming drums has taught me a lot, especially early on. I had very limited options, so it took every little humanizing trick to make it sound remotely passable. No programming, I played it on keyboards and got my own natural dynamics and timing that way. When I moved on to Superior Drummer, I already knew how to make it work, plus I've had the chance to work with real drums in the meantime, which was the end goal anyway. I use the raw samples instead of presets, export offline with all the bleed, and mix it like a real kit. I'm still surprised by how good it sounds. I'll always prefer the real thing, but we work with what we have and make the best of it.
"Your producers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." Jeff Goldblum, Jurassic Park
Welcome to Option Paralysis Park.
Lol
i treat my program drums like real drums as in- - i record them out to their own stems - kick/ snare/ toms, overheads, etc and then mix them like regular drums this makes them sound so much more glued to the actual mix no matter how good they sound in the plugin i find that without doing this they never sit as good as they should
Yeah thats what i was saying in the first comment...but somebody thought i was being a know it all....hhahaa funny how that works. People dont wanna hear they dont know what the fuck they doing even if its the only way to get better is to find out what your doing wrong.. keep it classy ya animals
I do the same, once i get my velocities and humanization right. Even had glen think it was a real drummer once on his mix reviews
I agree. The basic sound from the plugins doesn't cut it.
I do parallel compression, mixing as if it's real drums, so on and on. The only thing that I struggle with is getting the toms right, but practice makes perfect
Thats why I like using the TR8s... you can mix and insert effect compression and eq per track, or multi track into the daw over usb... and if you dont want that Roland sound, you can load samples as well.
I have never been this early. Been watching for what feels like a decade. F you glen thanks for all the help man
This is such a great video. I have worked a lot on making sure I don't peg the velocities in my tunes. After seeing this, I know I still have much to learn. Thanks Glen!
I love "Pacman playing drums"
Always excited to see a new upload from Glenn!!!!
Im really appreciating the new editing style! as many have said its a bit much but to be more productive, i think its the screen sweeps and frame tracking thats really doing it, i think the vfx are great and keep the video interesting, but the constant moving frames might be whats doing it!
Really great video, love the new editing style
One tip I recently picked up was, "Don't use a compressor on your drums, use a clipper".
By making the top of the drum's transients a square wave instead of keeping them as a sine wave and compressing them down; you can keep the full power, while still limiting the peak level.
And don't worry about the distortion, TRY IT!
See if you like the sound ✌️
This is an AMAZING tip for a bunch of other instruments really. Soft clippers some times are smarter choice than compression, and we all forget about it
I've been trying to think of how to do this but couldn't remember how, any recommendations for clipping vsts? Preferably analog/tape simulating?
@@justsomedude5727 Dude there are great clippers there is that purple one that is not very expensive. I use Free Clip 2 (not great, but does the job)
I found clipping the drums to be ESSENTIAL, especially on heavier tracks. Drums absolutely devour headroom so the day I slapped a clipper on a drum bus and immediately gained back 6-8db of headroom without any audible distortion was a revelation from the gods.
@@justsomedude5727 if you have Reaper, Event Horizon is nice and included.
I think this is probably the perfect time for me to buy the spring thing since i have been wanting to pick up element bass for awhile and this just gives me a bunch of other fun toys, midi drum loops and mix tutorials for basically free. THANK you Glen!
Also, maybe I'll do a demo as an actual bassist once i have the new stuff up and running.
I'm constantly bugged that the same guy playing guitar is playing the bass part in all of your videos.
(I know it's easier for production purposes and having the footage be matchy but it sure would be nice to hear a bass player play bass on this channel every once in awhile.)
I'm trying to learn to finger-drum at the moment. I don't play piano whatsoever so it's like trying to eat cotton wool, but I feel like it's really worth it. Not only do your fingers kind of act the same way that a drummer's limbs would to give that sort of natural flow to it both in terms of timing and velocity (and stuff like hitting the cymbal/hihat harder when it accompanies a snare), I've noticed with my botched finger-drumming, unlike with programming drums where you very often just loop four bars over and over, that because you get bored playing the same thing over and over you mix it up a lot more, and consequently it's much more interesting for the listener too. And all this shit you do fully unconsciously.
Yeah it's tedious learning to do it and it's much easier just busting out the piano roll, but I feel like it's really worth persevering with.
Yeah add me to the too much editing pile please and thank you
Trying a new style. Will adjust accordingly. Thanks for the feedback!
Great video for live recording technique too Glen! Always entertaining! Right now, I am recording with all drum mics through SSL Channel Strip 2's. Only use the expanders on individual drums to preserve volume and dynamics. Also use SSL XEQ2, Saturator and Buss Compressor 2 on Drums Buss. Parallel with Empirical Labs Arouser. SSL FlexVerb for reverb. A little snare buzz is not a sin.! Gonna play with some UAD stuff next.
Here for the hair.. and comments lmao. great job Glenn, I love your Extinction drums
A while back, Glenn had a video about compressing the drum room mic to really make them pump. Now, I've been bussing all the digital drums to a channel with a room reverb and compress the shit out of that. I don't know if that's something others do, but I've been happy with the results.
Way too many years ago than I care to remember, I used to use Music 2000 on the Playstation for drums and synth/piano tracks when recording at home. I VERY quickly learned that not maxing everything gave a more realistic performance, and I've carried that through to this day with modern drum vst's. My brother, on the other hand, is totally max out everything!
Very good advice here. When you mentioned Disco/Dance regarding not being strictly quantised - even a lot of that benefits from a human approach to drums, apart from the kick drum - I doubt you'll be producing any Disco anytime soon but thought I'd mention it. I'd like to see how your videos turn out if you have a big bag of weed in the studio for everyone including the editor, these videos are getting increasingly intense, it's a bit exhausting.
I like your way of advertising your Spring Thing deal.
I was cranking out demos left and right with Acid (or Orion) and my old Alesis SR16, "back in the day". I still use Reaper and FL Studio when I need a quick track. Once you figure out the nuances, you can fool most people's ear.
I Love this ad, Im stuck to it 😂
Thank you for your Video, it's very useful for mixing a live Set on the rush🎉
tried that mixbus compressor on a punkrock mix im working on instead of compressing individual drum hits by like 3-5db and dialing back on some more extreme eq.left a hit of parallel comp and result sounds almost nearly as loud maybe 1 db less rms overall but glues much nicer and sounds more snappy phat and natural.. always humbling what one plug in can do in the right spot instead of hours of fiddling
The Extensions of Reaper have this drum humanizer specifically. It's got some presets for some of the drum plugins out there, Toontrack for instance. It's labelled Superior Drummer, but it works on EZ Drummer. Gets me a nice Lars-ified beat for my Metallica thingies. It's got a lot of tweaking possibilities. Try it.
SD3 has some great “randomize” function that is useful. There’s one for velocity and one for timing.
I go by the rule of 125 max for kick in the loudest part of the song, 120 max in verses etc less for mellow parts, then vary the hits. For snares 120 max, 115 max in verses etc…
Timing wise I like for every 16 measures to fall perfect on the beat. I usually use what I call the metronome kit piece (hat, ride or possibly crash) and vary the timing on that in SD3 since it’s the most used part, then adjust the rest of the hits around the ebb and flow of that. Sometimes I just select all hits and let SD3 randomize it all, then go back and fix the “wonky” stuff.
I use one of the Uringtone drum VSTs. The only compression I'll add to the snare is only AFTER I've done all the programming and have bounced all the drum tracks to actual audio. And I'm only adding a tiny bit to add a bit of snap.
My programmed drums are at first finger played on a Korg Nanopad 2. I then quantize them so they're at least in the pocket. I'm a crappy finger drummer. I also try to keep the velocities down around 100 but it depends on the part. Going to have to check out that Snare video. AND learn how to not over compress. Ooopsy! Great video. Hey Glenn, can you ever do one on panning guitars? I'm having a blast listening to the new Judas Priest album but I can't figure out how they pan the guitars.
Chill with the lollipop Mario brothers editing and subtitles! Keep it real brother that's why most of us dig your channel to begin with!
Still waiting on the console update, your workflow and how you've implemented your outboard. I want a Genesys too!
ive been doing tis process myself. I learned it form Adam Nolly Getgood, he has like a target for each peice of the drums. Its a range but never goes to 127.
in cubase, there is option to shuffle velocity and position of the midi note. keep adding until you think that drummer is terrible, than pull back a bit and that's it
That Spring Thing sales pitch was so perfect that I bought it!
Extinction level 2.0 blows EZD3 out of the water with features and samples.
Funky Drummer on C64! What a blast from the past! Thanks for reminding me of that!
Yeah that 127 effect aka infant annihilator drums with gravity blasts made of rim shots😂 Love IA btw. Great video Glenn!
missed these mixing videos over all the guitar reviews!
I've been using Jamstix as my drummer for well over a decade now. Does pretty good job with humanizing the hits even in hand programmed midi.
I rarely mess with all this stuff. I record everything, master the levels, and thats about it. I dont eq (besides the overall master ) and it sounds great.
Funny...we've always used 100% programmed drums and while I caught on to velocities and swing quite early on, I only started compressing and EQing the drums a couple of years ago, and it did make them sound better. BUT, I've been insisting on keeping our older sound banks (DHF, Mixtended) and combining them with other drumkits like GA & MT Power Drums; the reason being I want a unique sound and not sound like everybody else. Those older soundbanks are perhaps in more need of EQing than newer ones, idk. Anyways, I might try backing off the EQ a bit and combine it with more clever and restricted compression on upcoming tracks. Thanks for the tips and FU Glenn!
ELE has been a godsend. It DOES sound good out of the box, almost. I tweeked a few things. 1) The amp filter on the ride is wide open, the tails are so long they feedback and need to be backed off. (Though I prefer to have them and back off than not have them at all.) 2) The splashes have too much klangy transient and not enough sibilance for my taste and require some tweeking. ...some other thoughts: Some people will encourage you to de-grid your programs for a more human feel. Use this more sparingly than some may suggest. Your human feel comes from dynamics more than time. Save de-gridding for hitting two cymbals or toms at the same time, and for the occasional busy fill, but 90% of the time, you can get away with keeping things on grid, leaning in on dynamics and you'll get both human feel and tightness. Depending on genre, you can pancake your kick, 'cause real drummers have been using triggers since I was young, but dynamics are your friend elsewhere, especially the snare. If you do pancake anything, don't baseline at max volume. For special moments, you want somewhere to go. /tl;dr rant. (sorry)
I write all your drum bus tricks down, and was wondering how much you mix in the doubled snare reverb with the actual snare. (I know it depends, but what should you be looking for in quality)? Thanks!
Regarding the humanize MIDI feature in reaper: I prefer to use the Humanize MIDI plugin (stock Reaper) before the drum vst. The plugin is better because you can go back at a later date and tweak the settings. The Humanize Notes feature is baked in the MIDI, making it harder to make changes later.
I totally caught my R2 unit banging the alexa to the tune of Afternoon delight!? My china crash is always 127 so it hurts! 🤘🏽
that helped a lot man tnx
Recording Drums is an art and a science, you have phase correlation, and a number of other elements that make a great drum sound, including Mic placement and room.
The template download hasn't worked for the last 24hrs. I put in my email and I'm getting "an error occurred" message. Hoping to get the template so I can try out ELE! Thanks for the spring thing sale Glenn!
Hey Glenn is there aany chance that I can purchase the midi grooves but I want to create my own pack. For example I would like to buy only the power and the thrash grooves which they are in different packs. Thanks in advance
I remember programming my MIDI sequences on Master Tracks Pro to play my drum machine and percussion modules and patches. The 127 syndrome was a BIG problem. So was the "R2-D2 humping a toaster" as everything was quantized, or at least rigidly on-beat due to how Master Tracks Pro worked(it could all be tweaked later). Humanizing wasn't anywhere near as good as it is now and back then because the trend was more for "quantizing", which made sense back then as people wanted their electronic music as tight as possible. I found myself simply playing things one or two things/pads at a time to get some "feel" in both dynamics and timing. When tracking real drums, yes, bleed was a part of it. I don't now why some guys always tried to get things so "surgically sterile" as it just didn't translate well down the line. I think it's so cool you've added a "bleed" function to ELE. I always prefer real drums, yet I like what I'm hearing with this.
also reaper has a "Humanise" feature on the piano midi roll, you can right click above the keys and it is in edit>humanise and you can adjust both timing and velocity to be randomised in percentages and every note not sounding *exactly* on time really makes drums sound less robotic and "midi" if you get what I mean
nvm this is mentioned in the video lol
I also try to treat my drum mixs like they are acoustic wether they're recorded as acoustic drums or not. So even when i program my drums i put on console emulation and other very subtle improvements so i have a decent warm..analog sounding mix
This video is exactly what I needed
Where is this drum interface in reaper? I'm wanting to learn how to program drums finally
Thank you glen!
when i am programming drums i usually start with a given preset beat (addictive drums user here, the presets are not on grid at all) what fits best to the groove i have in mind... as it is mostly the hihat work, the dynamics, that are tricky and sound really unhuman when doing it from scratch. then i remove all kicks and snare hits and doing "my own thing"... mostly works fine though ;) thanks for the video! and yes... i never or barely use comp or eq on them because they mostly sound perfect when leaving them alone.
and... not to forget.... fill ins... i always change them, even when they are meant to be the "same"
I think one of the big things is definitely people not mixing the drum programs they get. Yeah, some are "pre-mixed" but I still feel like you can't on-size-fits-all something like that
Quick question, I don't know if this is already been answered so apologies if it is. Why is it that when I load up one ez drummer track with a bunch of other guitar tracks, base, effects, keys, etc. it's always so quiet. I admit I do mix on a pair of Corsair gaming headphones (cuz im on a very tight budget alongside living with people with thin walls and shitty acoustics) going into my line 6 Helix working as my interface. The lazy way is just to load up multiple easy drummer tracks in a copy paste type of way. I know that's not the correct way cuz it sounds like a weird chorus effect. I should also note that I'm just not a good mixer and I am a beginner. Any advice would be great thank you. Cheers and fuck you from east Long Island
Ok, I have a question. Might be a stupid one but I’m going to ask anyway:
I bought an electric drum kit and would like to add new sounds to the drum module. Can I use Extinction Level Event to do that? Any chance for a video on that kind of thing? Not sure if this is the right place for such a question but people seem to be very helpful here. Appreciate any feedback! 🤘
Glenn I had an idea for a challenge for producers to mix tracks without hearing the tracks at all or even being told what the genre is and challenge the producer to only use visual spectrum analyzers to mix and apply effects and then reveal at the end. I think it would produce some really fun and whacky results.
Glenn this is one of your best videos
Constantly Playing at a very loud volume.. You said "Drummers don't play like that"
A drummer from a marching band ? Wil tend to do exactly that.
We hired this kid and most or all of his experience was with a "Marching Band" .
His timing was right on; he had a meter like a swiss clock. Along with great over all speed; and clean fills.
But geezz did he ever pound those skins with a vengeance ..
It took a while to break him of that constant high volume playing.
And not compete with the other instruments and vocals. And to congeal (volume wise) with the feel of the rest of the band, And the mellower songs in particular. All ended well, But it took a lot of work & patience from everyone involved. give & take and positive reinforcement all around. Talk about the bad .. but celebrate the good.
In drum line we're kind of just at 100% all the time lol, there's no room for dynamics when you have to match your articulation perfectly with ten other people. Focusing on one skill at the cost of another
@@ryanriggs9963 Yeah man I wasn't meaning to knock the skill, teamwork or dedication to be in a drum line,
Only that he had to kinda reacclimate his technique to a different kind of musical setting he wasn't used to.
Should've yelled at him "PIANO!" 😂
Had a crazy skilled drummer on stage when I was running sound at a local metal bar once. He hit the snare like it killed his girlfriend. I didn't bother micing it up, it was still louder than anything else. Even during really fast skank beats, the snare was overpowering everything else. I even felt the pressure from the sound wave through my ear plugs.
@@NuclearHeadshot LOL Classic .. He hit the snare like it killed his girlfriend .. Dude I'm going to use that one LOL
I just use a drum bus compressor and I turn down the compressor on the individual snare on ML drums mixer
I think people should just buy Izotope Ozone because it has gain matching which will stop people from thinking louder is better on their drums.
We’ve all been fooled into louder is better and it’s a great tool to get us to stop doing that. I’ve hit a compressor way too hard because it made me hear that instrument more.
How do you send all the separate tracks from a MIDI drum plugin to their own tracks in Reaper?
I like 2:1 compress but go through 2 compressors. Have you used double compression?
How am I just finding out about the humanize function in reaper!? Such a simple change immediately made my drums sounds better!
Yeh a great hack for double kick velocities, just as a starting point, is to take all left hits and just drop the velocity by 5 points
Perfect Timing! I just bought EZ Drummer about a month ago to record my own music and this came out at a perfect time. I’m guilty of the 127 velocity on everything. Thanks and fuck you Glenn!
but setting small send of snare into kick won't make real bleed effect that has different phase, eq, even compression. i think that section was oversimplified, or am i missing something?
Hey, where are the courses and the Laney plugin? They were not included in the spring thing when I bought it.
Check your email, then hit tech support if you don’t get anything. I’m traveling & don’t do support over RUclips
When I program drums I always set the velocity to 127 and align everything to the grid as a protest for all the drummers I had to deal with that couldn't hit for shit and played with a lot of groove, and I mean a lot.
I don't program drums, I do however record solely with SD3 and my roland kit. I have trouble sometimes knowing what to do with my SD3 Bus track. Putting limiters and lowering the volume seems to suck some life out of the drums. Anyone have any idea what I talking about/what should I be doing?❤
I like heavy compressed drums. The brick snare sounds cool to me😅
great song that dude was playing in the background
I just use EZ Drummer 2 expansion pack preset midi drum patterns and the fills. The get the job done for my backing tracks.
I’m lazy. Is there a plugin that varies the midi drum velocity for you?
Would you say Extinction Level Event is good for punk rock too? Or is it too heavy?
Glenn is generous with these offers, I won't be able to purchase the spring thing yet because the economy is biting me in the ass, will it be available next year?
I need to stop the 127 velocity haha
Henning's video about programming drums where he explained the likes of Bonham and Porcaro was pure greatness.
Hi Glenn,
Does ELE offer an easy way to reverse the panning of all the drums to simulate a left-handed/live situation kit?
Cheers, and fuck you, of course ;)
I have always used the bleed in MIDI drums. Due to when I got to a place when I could tune and record real drums, I wouldn't need samples! Even though I use them when it is the only way, but nothing brings me more joy than "HOLY SHIT YOUR DRUM MIX SOUNDS AMAZING!" And I'm like "No samples😉"
I think everyone should leave the bleed on 100% with programmed drums due to you learn to work with it! Even though there it can be very tempting and satisfying to turn it down and crank the top end on the snare.
Did you see Anderson's pickup comparison video Glenn? Rob Chapman was able to pick them all.
I'm a drummer and guitarist, and run my own small recording studio. When I record a band, they'll often agree what they want for their mix, then one at a time, sneak back in to see if they can get me to bump up their instrument's volume. If I let them get away with it, they'd peg the soundboard on every instrument or vocal. 😅
Thank you
Do you still do Monday mix reviews? Been sitting on something I want to submit. I see on your Live page the last one was a few weeks ago but just curious when the next one will be and how to get notified. Thanks!
They will resume in May
@@SpectreSoundStudios awesome! Thanks for replying
See you then!
I’m a really big fan of this channel (I watch every video!) but I can’t get on board with this new editing style. It makes me feel nauseous, Glenn please 🙏🏻
I'm not a metal producer, so disregard my opinion if you must, but I will say, I've been having a great deal of success using the velocity to alternate strong and weak hits on the hi hats, goes a long way to making them sound more natural, especially when programming with a swing feel.
Glenn, can you do a tutorial on how to properly install your virtual instruments. I recently bought Extinction Level Event to use on demos, downloaded Kontakt and Native Access for Windows (via the email sent by Spectre Digital), and downloaded the TCI files. I used the license key on Native to access ELE. It recognized it, and asked for the folder location. I assume that's for the TCIs? No matter what folder I direct it to it comes up with a "wrong folder" error. I reached out to customer support via opening a ticket, but its been going on 6 days now without a reply. :(
The TCI files are for use with Slate Trigger. Not Kontakt.
Native Access wants you to point it to the Kontakt Library. Click on "Locate" and then go to the folder with all the Kontakt instruments and then it should connect.
@@ChernobylAudio666 I guess the next question would be where do I get the Kontakt instrument? There was no download link for that on the email.
I agree with the 127 effect but on the other side when a drummer plays in an acoustic kit it gets so compressed it sounds the same
Not even close to true
we did a metal album and a rock album using UJam, and the lower velocity values sounded like ass. Hence, we used between 80 and 100, but my issue as an engineer was that the hit samples themselves weren't varied enough: it still sounds good enough, but it can sound fake. Now we're using AIR Strike 2 and FUUUUUCK it's a night and day difference. I have stacks upon stacks of DVDs from Future Music so I have months worth of sample libraries I can use to load them up. When you're doing MIDI drums, variation is fucking VITAL.
drums are all transients so I find it's always best to just max the attack on the compressor and set the ratio as high as possible
Editor needs to lay off the coke. Chill out, man.
Trying a new style. Will adjust accordingly. Thanks for the feedback!
@@SpectreSoundStudios To be more clear, I don't hate the style. It's just a bit too much for me here. I would just like it to be toned down a bit to be less jarring. Like the great Page Hamilton once said, "You don't have to play out everything you know, every time you pick up the guitar".
This video triggers me. Did you record on tape in the early days? And how did you do that?
At home I work with an Aria 504. Yeah, I know it is ancient technology, but I have a lot of fun recording with tape.
And thanx for al the videos with good advice.
THX! 😁
Is the global compressor on the drum bus or the entire mix?
Make me think about cutthroat by blessthe fall produced by Tyler Smyth where he smash de programmed drum with 2 bus comp, but actually it sounds awesome ahahahah