@TheRedScareIsAlive well I understand about psychology but based on personal experience I know it also comes a time when you as an individual have to take responsibility for your own psychological well being.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^ They do it to any female who does any kind of sex work. It boggles my mind how men STILL get slapped on the hands and women get the scarlet letter.
@@davidperez5089 Legit she sounded kinda stoned or under the influence when she spoke. If she thinks THAT is "the most beautiful girl", she needs her head checked. Her attitude in the courtoom (aside from what she said about what he did) SUCKED, and I would be ready to kick her ass out if she started acting like she ran MY home and life. Guy wasn't any better though; He still wants to be with someone half his age that's not even a relative, despite the judge realizing that they're toxic, HIS OWN DAUGHTER syaing the same thing, and also being referred to as a whore in front of anyone watching this.
@@davidperez5089clearly it was good enough for him, I’m still gonna criticize the creepy dude who picks this girl over the girl for being a trainwreck lol
She definitely thinks highly of herself. Unfortunately, she is not that pretty even though she may think that she is God's gift to men. She is not aging very gracefully and probably should lay off the drugs and alcohol for a while. Her body obviously needs some time to heal both physically and mentally.
JM was interested in the tea. A lot of drama here. Mostly sad but interesting to listen to. - like a train wreck that you can’t peel your eyes away from.
whenever that woman said she CHERISHED the ring I was very concerned that they could still get back together. she needs some serious help to find her self-esteem- my heart breaks for her
The plaintiff wants a traditional behaved woman,and he thinks that he can find such a woman in a young girl with a traumatic past working as a dancer in bars.He as a adult men took advantage of young woman to satisfy himself.For all she went through at least he could let her keep the ring.I think that the ring gave her some feeling of value in her life.
This man is appalling. He was a 45 year old dating a 21 year old. And he had to shame her for being "...a dancer. Basically a stripper." Then he gets back together with her 10 years later. And he went to her work (like he hadn't been there before) and talked about how disgusting the place was. Seriously? This is the pot calling the kettle black. What a horrible man.
Yeah, my brother dated and married a woman the same age as his oldest. It's pretty gross and he lost the respect of his girls. He sure didn't marry her for the witty conversation! LOL. On the flip side, he's loaded, so she didn't marry him for the convo, either.
@7:14 I rannnnn to the comments!!!🤣🤣🤣 Edit: Shout out to JM's poker face bc I literally tried to put myself in her shoes, and tried to keep from laughing and I failed every time 😂
@@oldageisdumb That could be so, and I have major respect for that. That being said , that doesnt take away from the judges reaction, esp, since she joked abt it right before that. It looked, to me, like she was trying to stay professional.
@@DanceArchives24 I think she made a joke but when the defendant carried it to that level, Judge M suddenly realized there were some mental health issues and sobered up
@@oldageisdumb Yes, that's definitely possible and, good on her, if so. We need more empathy in this world. I have my own MH issue/struggles since I was 7yrs old, so I would never minimize that of any one else's, however, I do believe it's healthy to be able to laugh at ourselves now and then, regardless, of our issues. I know that I do many, many things that if I were in front of cameras, I know ppl would get a good laugh, and Id be okay with that given how much darkness and sadness is in the world. I love to see ppl smiling and laughing 😃
Even if she didn't bring the ring to court she would have been given so many days to return it or she would have to pay not the full price but the depreciation price of the ring if she wanted to keep it
Wow! Pretty obvious why the Plaintiff went after this gal, the light’s on, but clearly nobody’s home!! (Plus I love her “high” opinion of herself -I was a beautiful girl, you can tell just by looking at me!!) LOL!!!
I'm not sure if it was the childhood abuse/trauma she experienced or if she's just a bit mentally delayed, but it's quite evident by the things she says and ways she says them she's not completely together. Hopefully, she has someone in her life to help her grow and make better decisions. If this was her mentality in her 30/40s, it's safe to assume she was very childlike at 21. In that case, he preyed on her and was able to manipulate the situation because of their difference in life experience and maturity. She has a ton of growing to do, and he needs to reflect on his fault/s within this relationship and pray his daughter doesn't meet an older man just like him in the future!
If money is the motivation for her, control is the motivation for him. He is such a has been loser who knows any adult female would never put up with his BS. She is no prize, but my heart does go out to her because you can tell she is not very smart and has no support system coming from a bad family. He's just a creep
That is exactly what I was thinking, but you left out the other motivation for him, sex. And if we are to believe her about his cheating, he likes to pick up lonely, vulnerable women at bars.
@rockobill7637, the OP and your comment i agree with both, but he definitely used small gifts to control her, I mean the ring is the issue here and look how she acted about the ring, he controlled her with a ring there's no telling what else
What a strange case, she could be his daughter! They still have feelings for each other but are clearly no good for each other and I think if the opportunity presents itself they would be back together. Crazy!
It’s weird those people all assume older guys have any decent amount of money and no one mentioned the power dynamic and everything a 40 or older guy is after when going for a 20 something.
We need to normalize not throwing our kids out at age 18. I'm glad they are broken up and they need to keep it that way. His daughter was disappointed in the hallway.
What are you talking about? I was in an Army uniform at 17 for 21 years with my mom's signature. My oldest son in a Marine uniform at 17 with my signature. You're a LEGAL adult at 18 a grown adult. Your belong in an adult world, not in mommy and daddy's protective bubble. Only snowflakes think an adult should be at home still....lol
It starts with parenting your kids well and not just having kids because you’re pregnant. Most American parents are parents they complete accident and not through thoughtful planning.
@@taurus2600 I noticed you couldn't handle my opinion and had it removed. Pathetic. 18 is a legal adult. Not a child who needs to live in mommy and daddy's bubble. I raised 7 to adulthood and have 20 grandchildren. All left home at 18 or before because of the military at 17 like I did. Only a snowflakes think an 18 year old is a child. The LAW most certainly sees them as adults. Soft, weak, pathetic generation.
I can't write what I think of the plaintiff, but the defendant was 💯 honest. She should keep the ring. Wasn't the statute of limitations over after 10 years? 🤷🏽♂️
First off his daughter was mortified to have to listen to this and hates the girl. Second the defendant thinks she's a beauty but her mirror must be blurry. Give it less than a year and they'll be back for a 3rd go round.
if she had a clue, she'd be more mad at her dad for wanting to marry twice a woman from the strip club, if she was disgusted or annoyed with her dad she wouldn't even have been there and grinning at him...she's proud of her "bad boy" dad
I don't get why people want to even keep an engagement ring if your relationship died and the other person was hella abusive and untrusting bla bla bla. I see too many cases like this. Just nutty.
It will sound bitchy the way I wrote my comment but, the defendant didn’t seemed 21 years younger than the plaintiff. She seemed like in the same range of age.
No I don’t think that’s really fair. That man is close to 60yo…and I’ll be honest and say he looks decent for his age. She’s looks her age she just has a dated style.
It's never supposed to be this hard. I love Judge Marilyn's response. You can tell the woman is going through emotional stress and this guy is counting on that as a way of controlling her. I see these kind of relationships from time to time and they always end tragically. Every person deserves better. But it all lands on how we see ourselves. But yes, they are poison to one another.
Only if it comes back to me.... omg she is crazy. She said he is abusive but all the stuff she said she did to him makes her ABUSIVE AS HELL. She wanted that ring to keep wesring it as a trophy over what she done to him. She is an abuser, manipulating narcissistic idiot.
I thought the plaintiff was petty. He should have left well enough and let it go, as a man so much older than her. If I was a future partner of his, I'd made sure that's not the ring he's going to give me. Too much bad juju on it. 🤨
I guess you don't realize it was 15 years ago (from the time of the shooting) it wasn't his daughter's age... I guess your bias couldn't let you see the math
she looks just as old as he does
a hard life will do that to you
My exact thought
She doesn't look that bad.
Promiscuity and drugs and boozing all night can do that to you.
Lol, no she doesn't. She DOES looks her age - almost 40.
I don’t know how old this episode is but they’re both very much 80’s in style and hair!
Seems to be 2013 or so
He’s giving Ric Ocasek vibes.
He looks like the singer from WASP
I was thinking Steve Perry!
2014. She said, "15 years ago in 99"
What in the Howard Stern meets Carol Burnett did I just watch..😂😂😂
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Too funny 😂🤣
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Lmao 😅
You can't tell me they weren't either abusing drugs and/or alcohol
Something was definitely going on!
Why would he bring his daughter to this?!
and his dad, I betcha
Thinking the same thing.
If you watch the hall interviews, the daughter is the smartest person there for sure!
So she can be embarrassed for him.
She must have wanted some tv time
If someone was abusive to you and you break up, why would you want something that wouldl remind you of that relationship?
To pawn for $
@amydaniels6442 that I could understand, but that's not what she said. She said she cherished it and wanted to keep it.
She's never known any other kind of relationship in her life.
Guess you never learned anything about psychology??? 😂
@TheRedScareIsAlive well I understand about psychology but based on personal experience I know it also comes a time when you as an individual have to take responsibility for your own psychological well being.
People loooove criticizing strippers/dancers but never the men who keep them in business. This dude is a creep
THIS ^^^^^^^^^ They do it to any female who does any kind of sex work. It boggles my mind how men STILL get slapped on the hands and women get the scarlet letter.
She hasnt looked in a mirror for 20 yrs+... In this case shes begging to be criticized.
@@davidperez5089 Legit she sounded kinda stoned or under the influence when she spoke. If she thinks THAT is "the most beautiful girl", she needs her head checked. Her attitude in the courtoom (aside from what she said about what he did) SUCKED, and I would be ready to kick her ass out if she started acting like she ran MY home and life.
Guy wasn't any better though; He still wants to be with someone half his age that's not even a relative, despite the judge realizing that they're toxic, HIS OWN DAUGHTER syaing the same thing, and also being referred to as a whore in front of anyone watching this.
@@davidperez5089clearly it was good enough for him, I’m still gonna criticize the creepy dude who picks this girl over the girl for being a trainwreck lol
@@davidperez5089The defendant is good looking.
He proposes to a woman 23 years younger than him (21 years old) AND a go-go dancer and is surprised she wasn't 'mature' enough?? Omg!! 🤦♀️
I'm glad the judge put the plaintiff in his place. There was no need for him to be rude and disrespectful
His daughter seemed more mature than both of the litigants
Why did he bring her???
@@lukerinderknecht2982because he's trash
that is because his ex-wife probably raised her alone
When the Judge took her hair out her face to see all the beauty the client was speaking of, I was in shambles.
She definitely thinks highly of herself. Unfortunately, she is not that pretty even though she may think that she is God's gift to men. She is not aging very gracefully and probably should lay off the drugs and alcohol for a while. Her body obviously needs some time to heal both physically and mentally.
Lol
I feel like I’m watching “My Cousin Vinny”
No. Don’t do that to My Cousin Vinny.
@@AniqueJoseph LOL
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah but she's no Marisa Tomei
Judge was particularly patient this episode 😂😅
JM was interested in the tea. A lot of drama here. Mostly sad but interesting to listen to. - like a train wreck that you can’t peel your eyes away from.
Right??!!
I was done with both of them 🥴
Yes. I was hoping she wldnt be screaming this episode.
There's no fool like an old fool
Sometimes the best thing litigants get from The People’s Court is advice.
Between the two of them, the chances of finishing a 10 piece puzzle is highly unlikely.
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His daughter at the end! 😆
Cyndi Lauper and Eddie Van Halen should never have been together. She needs to return the ring, and they both need to move on.
Spot. On. 😂😂😂😂
Eddie Van Halen?? That’s more Jimmy Page 😆
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Noo way. Eddie Vanhalen was hot 🔥 RIP Eddie Vanhalen 😢 🙏
“ if you look at me you can tell” DELULU
the dude behind her when she said that had me lmfao
@ravenna9969, 😂😂
judge milian slowly moving her bang to the side after the defendant said “if you look at me you can tell” had me dead lmfao
whenever that woman said she CHERISHED the ring I was very concerned that they could still get back together. she needs some serious help to find her self-esteem- my heart breaks for her
If she REALLY wants to get rid of him, she should just give him the ring back!!!
You saw during the exit interview she really didn't want to give him (or the ring) up lol
I love her honesty, she's real about herself, good, bad, or indifferent ❤
Me too!
Lmao he didn't realize how gross he came off until the judge said the obvious (the big age difference and talking about maturity but dating a 21 YO)
What he said was that when they met up a second time 10 years later, she (32) was more mature, Not when she was 21
I'm aware of what he said and you only provided a snippet of it
His daughter is older than what the go go dancer was when he met her 😖
adult being with another adult is disgusting?
The word trash comes to mind
OMg...he IS so trashy, you're right!
lol I think she’s talking about both😅
They both definitely are 🗑️
The plaintiff wants a traditional behaved woman,and he thinks that he can find such a woman in a young girl with a traumatic past working as a dancer in bars.He as a adult men took advantage of young woman to satisfy himself.For all she went through at least he could let her keep the ring.I think that the ring gave her some feeling of value in her life.
Well said
Agree
A cheap ass ring as well
I agree!
Bringing her to court was a way for him to see her, did you all see the way eyed her the whole time.
These people are crazy 😮
It's somebody for everybody!
This man is appalling. He was a 45 year old dating a 21 year old. And he had to shame her for being "...a dancer. Basically a stripper." Then he gets back together with her 10 years later. And he went to her work (like he hadn't been there before) and talked about how disgusting the place was. Seriously? This is the pot calling the kettle black. What a horrible man.
Theyll be back together by the weekend
Trauma loves drama. Good luck
I love how his daughter was so annoyed with him 😅
I'm pretty sure that she thinks dad is "cool"
I'm absolutely sure she thinks dad is a nitwit.
probably when she was younger but it seem like she realized how bad he is
They need help! Psychiatric help!
Defendant is crazy af.
As is the plaintiff. They're made for each other. 😅
She's obviously a very damaged person. I feel sorry for her and hope she's in a much happier place now.
To be damaged and preyed on...
They are both nut jobs
Plaintiff just as crazy!
Defendant looks alot older than her age and JM totally right when she said they had no business being together.
Yeah, my brother dated and married a woman the same age as his oldest. It's pretty gross and he lost the respect of his girls. He sure didn't marry her for the witty conversation! LOL. On the flip side, he's loaded, so she didn't marry him for the convo, either.
I think she’s over 30 now .
He said 10 years later.
She seems like the tragic girlfriend in a boxing movie. I hope she learned to break the cycle of abuse.
I'm so glad this judge points out disgusting dirty old men like this. You could tell the defendant had a hard life that he took advantage of.
These two deserve each other 🤣. Keeping it classy. Did you see the way they looked at each other in the beginning? They both still love each other.
Look at the people laughing behind her about you saying how beautiful she is 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I rewinded it a couple of times just to look at some the ppl in the back laughing, cuz I was laughing right with them🤣
Some serious Gene Simmons toupee vibes going on here...
"only if it comes back to me" 🤣
BOL😂
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@7:14 I rannnnn to the comments!!!🤣🤣🤣
Edit: Shout out to JM's poker face bc I literally tried to put myself in her shoes, and tried to keep from laughing and I failed every time 😂
I feel bad for her. She seriously has some major emotional issues and I think Judge M recognized that at the moment
@@oldageisdumb That could be so, and I have major respect for that. That being said , that doesnt take away from the judges reaction, esp, since she joked abt it right before that. It looked, to me, like she was trying to stay professional.
@@DanceArchives24 I think she made a joke but when the defendant carried it to that level, Judge M suddenly realized there were some mental health issues and sobered up
@@oldageisdumb Yes, that's definitely possible and, good on her, if so. We need more empathy in this world. I have my own MH issue/struggles since I was 7yrs old, so I would never minimize that of any one else's, however, I do believe it's healthy to be able to laugh at ourselves now and then, regardless, of our issues. I know that I do many, many things that if I were in front of cameras, I know ppl would get a good laugh, and Id be okay with that given how much darkness and sadness is in the world. I love to see ppl smiling and laughing 😃
Wow, she looks like a MESS
All aboard the Hot Mess Express 😂
As long as you’re not lying to people and yourself, how can you say it isn’t a honest living?
I agree
I think she's still living in 1999😂
It looks like his daughters entire HS Class are in the audience 😂😂
These two could study together to achieve their GEDs
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She not even a 5/10 hahahahaha I'm dead 😂😂😂
She's still a hurt child. I pray she heals & they don't get back together. Please listen to your daughter.
Beautiful girl? Must be talking about the judge.
They got back together as soon as they left the court set…🙄
Even if she didn't bring the ring to court she would have been given so many days to return it or she would have to pay not the full price but the depreciation price of the ring if she wanted to keep it
They’re definitely getting back together someday
The most New Jersey people ever
I agree which you
Bada bing! ❤
Edith Bunker vibes
Definitely not
@@rplayer360 Don’t classify all of us together 🫣🙄😂😂
The audience reactions as the defendant talks makes this better lol. Jersey Pride!!!!
After all that ,both might get back ? Two very SICK PUPPIES !
There is something wrong with both of them
Wow! Pretty obvious why the Plaintiff went after this gal, the light’s on, but clearly nobody’s home!! (Plus I love her “high” opinion of herself -I was a beautiful girl, you can tell just by looking at me!!) LOL!!!
So many damaged people.
I swear they must've gotten back together after this 🤞🏽
I'm not sure if it was the childhood abuse/trauma she experienced or if she's just a bit mentally delayed, but it's quite evident by the things she says and ways she says them she's not completely together. Hopefully, she has someone in her life to help her grow and make better decisions. If this was her mentality in her 30/40s, it's safe to assume she was very childlike at 21. In that case, he preyed on her and was able to manipulate the situation because of their difference in life experience and maturity. She has a ton of growing to do, and he needs to reflect on his fault/s within this relationship and pray his daughter doesn't meet an older man just like him in the future!
@kimberlyadorno280, right!
She's crying for the ring.
Plaintiff needs to have some dignity and self-respect
Gross I would never be with either one they both are nasty
What's wrong with her?
"I was the most beautiful girl he ever had in his life. If you look at me, you can tell." THE DELUSION.
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Fashion choices going to court on national tv never ceases to amaze me
If money is the motivation for her, control is the motivation for him. He is such a has been loser who knows any adult female would never put up with his BS. She is no prize, but my heart does go out to her because you can tell she is not very smart and has no support system coming from a bad family. He's just a creep
That is exactly what I was thinking, but you left out the other motivation for him, sex. And if we are to believe her about his cheating, he likes to pick up lonely, vulnerable women at bars.
I don't think money is the motivator for her because I doubt if he has any...it's a daddy complex yearning for her missing daddy
@rockobill7637, the OP and your comment i agree with both, but he definitely used small gifts to control her, I mean the ring is the issue here and look how she acted about the ring, he controlled her with a ring there's no telling what else
What a strange case, she could be his daughter! They still have feelings for each other but are clearly no good for each other and I think if the opportunity presents itself they would be back together. Crazy!
Judge side swiping her hair when she said she beautiful 😂 she said he abusive but she is a well and she sounds unstable
I lmao! She moved her hair back like she was trying to see if that broad was joking😂
@@neshlane1509if there's ever a situation to use the term broad to describe somebody, this is it.
She's so confused. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder!!! In my eyes, I don't see anything beautiful at all !!!
Well, then, stop looking in the mirror
@@lauraanne5175 😂😂
7:29 OMG the audience and Judge's reactions 😅
It’s weird those people all assume older guys have any decent amount of money and no one mentioned the power dynamic and everything a 40 or older guy is after when going for a 20 something.
If he was abusive to you, why would you want anything that reminds you of him. They're both crazy
Both crazy!
We need to normalize not throwing our kids out at age 18. I'm glad they are broken up and they need to keep it that way. His daughter was disappointed in the hallway.
What are you talking about? I was in an Army uniform at 17 for 21 years with my mom's signature. My oldest son in a Marine uniform at 17 with my signature. You're a LEGAL adult at 18 a grown adult. Your belong in an adult world, not in mommy and daddy's protective bubble. Only snowflakes think an adult should be at home still....lol
It starts with parenting your kids well and not just having kids because you’re pregnant. Most American parents are parents they complete accident and not through thoughtful planning.
THIS. The rest of the world doesn’t do this.
@@taurus2600 I noticed you couldn't handle my opinion and had it removed. Pathetic. 18 is a legal adult. Not a child who needs to live in mommy and daddy's bubble. I raised 7 to adulthood and have 20 grandchildren. All left home at 18 or before because of the military at 17 like I did. Only a snowflakes think an 18 year old is a child. The LAW most certainly sees them as adults. Soft, weak, pathetic generation.
@@TukwilaRed1974 “Most American parents have kids from accidents”?? What kind of sad place did you grow up that you actually believe this??
She looks the same age as he does 🤷🏽♀️
Guy wants to be an 80s rocker. Gene simmons meets steve perry😂😂😂
Not you can tell look at me lol
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BOL😂
I am STILL looking 😂
Shes high as a kite!
I can't write what I think of the plaintiff, but the defendant was 💯 honest. She should keep the ring.
Wasn't the statute of limitations over after 10 years? 🤷🏽♂️
So he thinks maybe they can try again in 10 years?? When he’s 66 and she’s 42. They’re going to run out of decades pretty soon!
First off his daughter was mortified to have to listen to this and hates the girl. Second the defendant thinks she's a beauty but her mirror must be blurry. Give it less than a year and they'll be back for a 3rd go round.
if she had a clue, she'd be more mad at her dad for wanting to marry twice a woman from the strip club, if she was disgusted or annoyed with her dad she wouldn't even have been there and grinning at him...she's proud of her "bad boy" dad
The defendant clearly has unresolved trauma. This episode is from 12-13 years ago and she was in her early 30s. 😮
I don't get why people want to even keep an engagement ring if your relationship died and the other person was hella abusive and untrusting bla bla bla. I see too many cases like this. Just nutty.
I guess they feel like they should at least get the money out of it. But I agree.. return the ring and wash your hands
$$$ and revenge
Defendant looks as old as him. Most beautiful 'if you look at me you could tell'??
Steve Perry sr is looking at her like she’s crazy ..
She looks so much older than him, but acts like a child.
She keeps screaming she was the one abused but admits how she punched on him and pulled a knife 😵💫😵💫😵💫
DELUSIONAL!
Fight or flight, never know which will happen in the moment when you're fed up. Something tells me he enjoyed pissing her off to get a reaction.
Drug test this mess
Where did she dance? The Itchy Kitty?
Ha
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LMAO!!🤣
It will sound bitchy the way I wrote my comment but, the defendant didn’t seemed 21 years younger than the plaintiff. She seemed like in the same range of age.
I completely see it. That's living to hard
Hair dye, probably hair plugs and plastic surgery.
She's about 36 here, but yeah she does style herself a little older
No I don’t think that’s really fair. That man is close to 60yo…and I’ll be honest and say he looks decent for his age. She’s looks her age she just has a dated style.
😂😂😂😂😂😂NOOO NOT 🚫 HE LOVES IT, ON THE HER ABUSING HIM PART 〽️ THATS SENDING ME RN 🙄🤨🤣😂💥🤯💥🤯💥
I believe it too! Lol
It's never supposed to be this hard. I love Judge Marilyn's response. You can tell the woman is going through emotional stress and this guy is counting on that as a way of controlling her. I see these kind of relationships from time to time and they always end tragically. Every person deserves better. But it all lands on how we see ourselves. But yes, they are poison to one another.
He's dating a stripper that's half his age? Sounds like true love to me.
DID SHE REALLY JUST SAY ...
LOOK HOW GORGEOUS I AM !!! ??? WHAT A MUMALUKE
They both belong together 😅
I like her and she did pull herself out of her childhood …
Only if it comes back to me.... omg she is crazy. She said he is abusive but all the stuff she said she did to him makes her ABUSIVE AS HELL. She wanted that ring to keep wesring it as a trophy over what she done to him. She is an abuser, manipulating narcissistic idiot.
He thinks hes Ron wood of the stones. Both of these people are a joke
he and Ron get their wigs at the same place for sure
I was looking for the comments where someone else thinks he favors Gene Simmons without makeup!?
Yeah but Gene is a bit bigger 🕺
Good morning pc family
Good morning from CA!
Good morning!!
I thought the plaintiff was petty. He should have left well enough and let it go, as a man so much older than her. If I was a future partner of his, I'd made sure that's not the ring he's going to give me. Too much bad juju on it. 🤨
"Just look at me" 😂
Dating someone your daughter's age is crazy!
I guess you don't realize it was 15 years ago (from the time of the shooting) it wasn't his daughter's age... I guess your bias couldn't let you see the math