Racial segregation was morally wrong, but South africa now has become a dystopia. Especially after president Zuma's years. It is following the path of other failed states like Zimbabwe and Venezuela. Congratulations Anc.
No racial segregation was the corrected and will forever be the solution to the ills of South Africa. Keeping the ethnicities seperate helped in preserving eacth tribe/ethnicities cultural norms and customs. After lumping people together under the guise of a rainbow nation was doomed to fail and it has failed.
@@bonanibob5657 Dividing the country in uncountable lands seems like a good solution today, more than 30 years later; but reading more carefully about that period (the 70s, 80s), the conclusion is that it would not have been accepted. By neither party. In fact, no moderate solution would have been accepted, not even the short-lived Rhodesia-Zimbabwe, which lasted for months in 1979 and was supposed to be a transitional regime. Not even the solution of the four Bantustans or "independent" black states (early 80s), namely Transkei, Ciskei, Venda and Bof'tswana, where only the latter had a small following, but was soon repressed and reunified with the Republic of South Africa.
Oh wow, you really think that Apartheid was a good thing? Disgusting. A majority of South Africa’s Population is Black you know. I’m not saying that you’re racist in any way, but damn, this comment is pretty racist.
"The other countries in Africa do not like us, but they respect us. As far as I be concerned, I would rather be respected than liked" The "Ou Krokodil" when he visited our school as President. You can't disagree with that
@@sakurakou2009 Respect is earned when a government, however maligned, is run with efficiency, bearing productivity....even despite ongoing sanctions. People from neighbouring countries, with a lower standard of living, flocked to South Africa for work. I hardly need tell you of today's criminally corrupt ANC regime and their cronies....respect is non-existent in today's South Africa. Despite Apartheid's shortcomings, things actually worked in those days.
@@tommywulfric9768 "despite apparited short coming" , lmao How you just going to ignore the core of the problem of that time , the main problem is the inequality and racism, whites didn't want to give equal approtunities , they wanted to keep the system so they can always be on top, they kept the land , kept the ports , kept the resources , they wanted to keep the country for themselves while keeping the natives blacks in camps in their own country , I wouldnt bother keep talking to you cuz it waste of time , people like you dont want to see the truth cuz it doesn't benifit you .
There's good people, there's bad people and then there's yourself. Some things we cannot control but we can control our actions and intentions. SA's past was harsh.....we can achieve peace today....thats if everyone really wants it though
National was the best polital party in South Africa, it kept law and order, I was there in 1977 under J Voster's rule and you were not scared to walk in the street, now there is murder after murder, every day there is a onother killing and it is all hushed up and never gets to the news papers here in Australia.
Racism is systematic it's unbelievable. The irony is I live as a black South African in the Netherlands, the Dutch people here are friendly and not once I had a racist moment. It doesn't matter where I am, I am treated in a respectable and dignified way like any other human being It's hard to imagine that our colonizers came from here. It got me thinking, what happened to you White South Africans? I wish you could explain to me some day the source of your hatred of the black skin. I understand the animosity between Jews and Germans because Hitler happened . What made you hate the black skin so much? When Dutch here can prove it's very insignificant....
Thabo Sethipa worse thing they ever done was the National Party hand over to black majority rule, I would love to visit SA for a holiday but I am scared that I will come home in a coffin
Well spoken, This is a man who like many others can only be guilty to his 'intolerance' to stupidity and people of no logic. Yes indeed, he's words or actions may fall offending even to myself but, without a shadow of Doubt we had a cleaner better South Africa
@@salzwell25 Exactly. Those who call for communist revolution hide so as not to be exposed for what they are: dishonest and lazy. Instead, they should be inspired and copy what worked in the West and countries like Botswana, Rhodesia and South Africa itself in the past, it takes work, requires study, discipline and application, for a long time. However, you plant so that your children can carry on and your grandchildren can reap the harvest in the future... that's how it works... South korea and Japan are proof of that.
You really believe so? I think crime was even worse then, and regarding job they hire blacks as slaves because you couldn't even say anything regarding low pay. Or maybe I am mistaken?
He couldn't bring himself to free Mandela or give blacks any power in South Africa (the latter felt to me like a slap in the face though I don't live there). This is why he was pushed out and to think this was all going on in the first years of my childhood.At least the now deceased Deklerk,still a bit racist as he was, was willing to talk with the ANC.
Politically he was still stuck in the Apartheid Policy back in the early 1980s. He never foresaw the pragmatic solution to the South African Problem. PW Botha was from the old School. Despite the violence SA is a better nation today without Aparheid today. A nation where everyone has a chance to fulfill their God Given talents.
@@jamesbedukodjograham5508 speak for yourself , the new south africa is a dump today , bankrupt 75 murders per day blackouts , and a rand that is worth nothing , do your study's properly before you comment
@@christobosman5710 I accept your criticism. I don't really live in South Africa but I have read books. My study is flawed but we can talk about the issues facing the nation. At least i am trying to step up somehow on a situation.
@@christobosman5710 Of course I dont deny not all is well with the New South Africa. Crime in all Provinces and Xenophobia in all Provinces. Theft and danger everywhere from white suburbs to the Townships out there for the 2020s.
Adrian Davies you're spot on. But like the saying goes..."if you want to hide something, put it in writing". People don't read books anymore, they Google and believe what they find.
@Thabo Sethipa Where do you get your info? 1.Free housing is what the ANC do with hard working tax payers money to win votes. They also use it to enrich them selves. Do you really think they care about black people? Wake up man. I believe that if you if get something for free, it has no value. You got to work for what you want. After all this things that the ANC has done for you in the last 25 years, why are there so many unhappy blacks? Mostly people under 50 that never experience the so called terrible Apartheid system. 2.You always blame Apartheid for everything. When is it going to stop? Must I hate blacks for what happened with Piet Retief? When can I blame all my problems on Zuma's 10 years of corruption and state capture? For the farm murders? By the way, I can't recall a single case where a white guy went and slaughtered a black farmer. There is always 2 sides to every story. You must look at it from both ways. The Apartheid system wasn't perfect, but way better than the current one. I was very liberal and my first vote was for Democracy in 1992, because I was taught a lot of lies. 3. At the height of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 Football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses. In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time. 4. I'm probably wasting my time telling you above. You obviously hate whites anyway and need to justify it. Talking about "mond vol kos", it is funny how so many Africans from other countries wanted to stay in SA during Apartheid. So much so that the military had to protect our borders. Before you reply, talk to your elders and get the truth. 5. Remember, the black people before Apartheid could not read or write, hence separate education. Read the Bantu education laws. I'll send you more info regarding this. Our country produced 200 black doctors a year during Apartheid. I think I'll stop here...hope to talk again soon Thabo.
@Thabo Sethipa I apologized for to long. I was naive and hoped SA could work. Actually, after 1994 the race hate just got more and more due to radicals like the EFF, BLF and even the ANC (blaming whites for their own incompetence to run this country and everything else). If what you say is right, why fix wrong with wrong then. You go on about a few white on black killings, but ignore the thousands of black on black ANC/Inkatha killings. How is Sharpville any different from Marikana? Do you know how many black people died in Rwanda. Millions.How many black died in Apartheid? Before Apartheid the average life expectancy of a black person was 38. During Apartheid, it went up to 64, higher than anywhere else in Africa. What is that worth to you? Let me ask you, has the whites done anything good in your books? Do you know of one good white person? Lastly, I was raised by a single mom and not on a farm. I had to study hard and my mom made a loan for me to finish my studies. I lost everything in 2008, but had to work hard to get where I am today, although I cant get a job, because of BEE. The fact is that you can give some people free property, but in a few months they will be broke again and live in a shack, while others will work their way up to become successful without help. You somehow don't believe black people are capable and want to give them free stuff. Doesn't work that way.
You can't argue deepfake if you have been treated like this for 2 yrs and no action. Then add on history, and the old boys club is back. Forget equality! Back to his mates and how they REALLY feel about Anita Hill. In green.
He was right all along, Botha was willing to do reforms, but not change to the situation that Zimbabwe turned to and SA is going down that way also
P.W. Botha was an egoist racist who wanted to make a 2nd confederacy. Quit trying to portray him a saint.
Racial segregation was morally wrong, but South africa now has become a dystopia. Especially after president Zuma's years. It is following the path of other failed states like Zimbabwe and Venezuela. Congratulations Anc.
No racial segregation was the corrected and will forever be the solution to the ills of South Africa. Keeping the ethnicities seperate helped in preserving eacth tribe/ethnicities cultural norms and customs.
After lumping people together under the guise of a rainbow nation was doomed to fail and it has failed.
Waar @@bonanibob5657
@@bonanibob5657 Dividing the country in uncountable lands seems like a good solution today, more than 30 years later; but reading more carefully about that period (the 70s, 80s), the conclusion is that it would not have been accepted.
By neither party.
In fact, no moderate solution would have been accepted, not even the short-lived Rhodesia-Zimbabwe, which lasted for months in 1979 and was supposed to be a transitional regime.
Not even the solution of the four Bantustans or "independent" black states (early 80s), namely Transkei, Ciskei, Venda and Bof'tswana, where only the latter had a small following, but was soon repressed and reunified with the Republic of South Africa.
Damn PW was right about the future of this country...look at it now...what a joke
He was right he helped create it
@@maqhawesokhanyileofficial1595 no he created it you f* it up
Why would he not be right, he made sure the country goes down
Oh wow, you really think that Apartheid was a good thing? Disgusting. A majority of South Africa’s Population is Black you know.
I’m not saying that you’re racist in any way, but damn, this comment is pretty racist.
@@edmundsishange3608 and the ANC has finished the job of destroying it completely.
Like him or hate him, he stood by his convictions until the day he died.
That's rare these days.
You know he apologized for this
So apartheid was good, wow ok.
So did Hitler.
@@broadcastmadnesss so did Joan of Ark .
@@thewingedhussars6313 So did Stalin.
"The other countries in Africa do not like us, but they respect us. As far as I be concerned, I would rather be respected than liked" The "Ou Krokodil" when he visited our school as President. You can't disagree with that
do you really think african countries respected south africa apparited goverment , this riduclous
@@sakurakou2009 of course, yes.
@@tommywulfric9768 what does respect mean to you ? , cuz obviously you dont know what respect is .
@@sakurakou2009 Respect is earned when a government, however maligned, is run with efficiency, bearing productivity....even despite ongoing sanctions. People from neighbouring countries, with a lower standard of living, flocked to South Africa for work. I hardly need tell you of today's criminally corrupt ANC regime and their cronies....respect is non-existent in today's South Africa. Despite Apartheid's shortcomings, things actually worked in those days.
@@tommywulfric9768 "despite apparited short coming" , lmao How you just going to ignore the core of the problem of that time , the main problem is the inequality and racism, whites didn't want to give equal approtunities , they wanted to keep the system so they can always be on top, they kept the land , kept the ports , kept the resources , they wanted to keep the country for themselves while keeping the natives blacks in camps in their own country , I wouldnt bother keep talking to you cuz it waste of time , people like you dont want to see the truth cuz it doesn't benifit you .
Now I feel like I live on Robbin Island..... burglar bar & all...before walk anywhere... feel safe...
beryl thienhaus I know the feeling...
Perhaps you should go where your ancestors came from?
Better leader than Mandela ever was!.. The country was safe, clean & prosperous under his watch.
For the white
@@simplecocunut4229 For everyone!
Clean ,safe and prosperous where only white areas at least now even some white feels what we been felting for decades poverty lack of housing etc
@@xolani3833 Blacks had homelands to feel safe and develop and we all know how that went
@@Neo_Rain146 homelands what are you talking about compare to what white had that had everything homelands my foot
But the fact is that Zuma is worse than botha, and at least during botha's time stuff still was build / renovated, look at SA now!
they were providing for less than a third of the countrys population. of course they got it right.
Resego Kgetse. He never could shoot straight with those eyes.
Resego Kgetse you had your own places swaziland Lesotho transkei all of the homelands , why did you not build anything up for yourselfes?
Resego Kgetse have a good night
W.F de Klerk was eintlik die focking landveraaier! Hy het die stupid Mandela terroris vrygelaat!!!
Best president ever ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻🇿🇦🇿🇦👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
👍
Cap
🟧⬜️🟦 only !!!! Stop using this 🇿🇦 disgusting flag!
incompetent.
The last South African Prime Minister who really loved SA. After him .... Now SA is dying and will collaps very shortly.
Roll them in tic tacs and call em lemingtons.
There's good people, there's bad people and then there's yourself. Some things we cannot control but we can control our actions and intentions. SA's past was harsh.....we can achieve peace today....thats if everyone really wants it though
Well said 👌
This is peace. Other than this, pieces.
What planet are you from, look what happened recently in Natal, does that look like people whom want peace?
@@andrewdutoit9571 That comment was posted a year ago. Piece of advice.........get your facts in order before you comment
@@avineshrohith1508 What facts must I get right?
I have a character named after him and he sort of has that accent.
South African/Dutch/Belgian/Frisian accent when he speaks in English.
Rest in piece mr president till Jesus comes see you on the clouds
thunder storm Mandela will rot in hell. he killed many people. the media hides the truth
That shit is in hell
PW Botha is hot hell😘🙏🏾😂
That is true he killed lot of people he was an instigator of white genocide yet they made us fools
@@matiwanesbusiso2175 it would be good in my opinion if they had taken a photo of Marais Viljoen with P. W. Botha together with de Klerk and Mandela
You try to give the video more brightness it will be great if you do
Pw botha was right
I'd rather say he was far-right.
He was the best President ever!!!!!!
1 day is 1 day boys
@Ošklivý Bogdanov I hope we live long enough to see that.
@Ošklivý Bogdanov I will bring something to drink, cheers to the downfall of the ANC.
National was the best polital party in South Africa, it kept law and order, I was there in 1977 under J Voster's rule and you were not scared to walk in the street, now there is murder after murder, every day there is a onother killing and it is all hushed up and never gets to the news papers here in Australia.
Thabo Sethipa your uncle was “imposing apartheid”?
Racism is systematic it's unbelievable.
The irony is I live as a black South African in the Netherlands, the Dutch people here are friendly and not once I had a racist moment.
It doesn't matter where I am, I am treated in a respectable and dignified way like any other human being
It's hard to imagine that our colonizers came from here.
It got me thinking, what happened to you White South Africans? I wish you could explain to me some day the source of your hatred of the black skin.
I understand the animosity between Jews and Germans because Hitler happened .
What made you hate the black skin so much? When Dutch here can prove it's very insignificant....
morton christie I loved P W Botha, my whole family did here in Australia, he was a tough man that kept law and order.
Thabo Sethipa worse thing they ever done was the National Party hand over to black majority rule, I would love to visit SA for a holiday but I am scared that I will come home in a coffin
Thabo Sethipa yes well that was just BS, first degree murder, killed an innocent man for nothing
Why didn't SA listen to him?
Liberal stupid whites
Because of Apartheid and everything.
We need revolutionary change
Well spoken, This is a man who like many others can only be guilty to his 'intolerance' to stupidity and people of no logic. Yes indeed, he's words or actions may fall offending even to myself but, without a shadow of Doubt we had a cleaner better South Africa
Revolutions always lead to something worse.
again?
never happened in the first place @@danielmuriithi8486
@@salzwell25 Exactly.
Those who call for communist revolution hide so as not to be exposed for what they are: dishonest and lazy.
Instead, they should be inspired and copy what worked in the West and countries like Botswana, Rhodesia and South Africa itself in the past, it takes work, requires study, discipline and application, for a long time.
However, you plant so that your children can carry on and your grandchildren can reap the harvest in the future... that's how it works... South korea and Japan are proof of that.
wow!!!
What's the difference 🤔 anybody school me please,
Aphathied Will never come back build your country or take a flight to Australia
Nice guy
Pw Botha
Yes pw botha was racist, but crime was less & more jobs. Today 😢😢😢😢
You really believe so? I think crime was even worse then, and regarding job they hire blacks as slaves because you couldn't even say anything regarding low pay. Or maybe I am mistaken?
@@makalo56 true and indeed it was worse and done by apartheid police
@Jan Pearson people work job to make money not work to work this ignorance .. working for free is idiotic
@@sakurakou2009 it would be good in my opinion if they had taken a photo of Marais Viljoen with P. W. Botha together with de Klerk and Mandela
it would be good in my opinion if they had taken a photo of Marais Viljoen with P. W. Botha together with de Klerk and Mandela
Pablo Cliffs
There's a very special place in Hell for Mr. PW😂
Die krokodil het ons beskerm.
As the wheel change mutherf.....
Its almost as if these people had these artitudes, because they knew what they were talking about. Oh well
Blanda Run
He couldn't bring himself to free Mandela or give blacks any power in South Africa (the latter felt to me like a slap in the face though I don't live there). This is why he was pushed out and to think this was all going on in the first years of my childhood.At least the now deceased Deklerk,still a bit racist as he was, was willing to talk with the ANC.
Yeah that is the reason that man lacked moral courage about so many things.
Politically he was still stuck in the Apartheid Policy back in the early 1980s.
He never foresaw the pragmatic solution to the South African Problem.
PW Botha was from the old School.
Despite the violence SA is a better nation today without Aparheid today.
A nation where everyone has a chance to fulfill their God Given talents.
@@jamesbedukodjograham5508 speak for yourself , the new south africa is a dump today , bankrupt 75 murders per day blackouts , and a rand that is worth nothing , do your study's properly before you comment
@@christobosman5710 I accept your criticism.
I don't really live in South Africa but I have read books.
My study is flawed but we can talk about the issues facing the nation.
At least i am trying to step up somehow on a situation.
@@christobosman5710 Of course I dont deny not all is well with the New South Africa.
Crime in all Provinces and Xenophobia in all Provinces.
Theft and danger everywhere from white suburbs to the Townships out there for the 2020s.
Koch Vista
#buy bitcoin
Oh look, the guy more corrupt than Zuma. Everyone who disagrees read Apartheid Guns and Money.
Adrian Davies you're spot on. But like the saying goes..."if you want to hide something, put it in writing". People don't read books anymore, they Google and believe what they find.
@Thabo Sethipa LOL. You got no idea what you are talking about. This is hilarious. looted farms?
@Thabo Sethipa The ANC inherited a first world country. Somebody is telling you lies. You are not talking fact. Far from it.
@Thabo Sethipa Where do you get your info?
1.Free housing is what the ANC do with hard working tax payers money to win votes. They also use it to enrich them selves. Do you really think they care about black people? Wake up man. I believe that if you if get something for free, it has no value. You got to work for what you want. After all this things that the ANC has done for you in the last 25 years, why are there so many unhappy blacks? Mostly people under 50 that never experience the so called terrible Apartheid system.
2.You always blame Apartheid for everything. When is it going to stop? Must I hate blacks for what happened with Piet Retief? When can I blame all my problems on Zuma's 10 years of corruption and state capture? For the farm murders? By the way, I can't recall a single case where a white guy went and slaughtered a black farmer. There is always 2 sides to every story. You must look at it from both ways. The Apartheid system wasn't perfect, but way better than the current one. I was very liberal and my first vote was for Democracy in 1992, because I was taught a lot of lies.
3. At the height of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 Football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic
tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic
standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39
children play parks, and countless civic halls,
movie houses and clubhouses.
In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365
schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child
day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own
fruit and vegetable market.
There were 2300 registered companies that
belonged to black businessmen, about 1000
private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle
owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners.
Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools,
churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South
Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.
4. I'm probably wasting my time telling you above. You obviously hate whites anyway and need to justify it. Talking about "mond vol kos", it is funny how so many Africans from other countries wanted to stay in SA during Apartheid. So much so that the military had to protect our borders.
Before you reply, talk to your elders and get the truth.
5. Remember, the black people before Apartheid could not read or write, hence separate education. Read the Bantu education laws. I'll send you more info regarding this. Our country produced 200 black doctors a year during Apartheid.
I think I'll stop here...hope to talk again soon Thabo.
@Thabo Sethipa I apologized for to long. I was naive and hoped SA could work. Actually, after 1994 the race hate just got more and more due to radicals like the EFF, BLF and even the ANC (blaming whites for their own incompetence to run this country and everything else).
If what you say is right, why fix wrong with wrong then. You go on about a few white on black killings, but ignore the thousands of black on black ANC/Inkatha killings. How is Sharpville any different from Marikana? Do you know how many black people died in Rwanda. Millions.How many black died in Apartheid? Before Apartheid the average life expectancy of a black person was 38. During Apartheid, it went up to 64, higher than anywhere else in Africa. What is that worth to you?
Let me ask you, has the whites done anything good in your books? Do you know of one good white person?
Lastly, I was raised by a single mom and not on a farm. I had to study hard and my mom made a loan for me to finish my studies. I lost everything in 2008, but had to work hard to get where I am today, although I cant get a job, because of BEE. The fact is that you can give some people free property, but in a few months they will be broke again and live in a shack, while others will work their way up to become successful without help. You somehow don't believe black people are capable and want to give them free stuff. Doesn't work that way.
ANC shouldve made racial segregation a thing a bit longer just to create some jobs
Nelson Mandela 🙏🙏🙏
You can't argue deepfake if you have been treated like this for 2 yrs and no action.
Then add on history, and the old boys club is back. Forget equality! Back to his mates and how they REALLY feel about Anita Hill. In green.
Volwaardige staatsman 👍🟧⬜️🟦
Apartheid was declared a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY for those apologist who seem to have forgotten.
+Nirvana Hollstein - yaaaaaaaaawn........ #openbordersforisrael
+Nirvana Hollstein Those who declared that biased statement, should have checked their facts. Ignorant people also existed back then.
still defending the abominable apartheid?
Please explain why it was abominable?
***** explain why apartheid was abomination? no need to explain if you already don't know
This proves we need revolutionary change. We became soft and forgave these racist aparthied evil doers, without them apologising
They should have all been expelled from the country cost it what it would have.
Hahaha SA is the new republic of bananas hahaha
@@crearekrelnein2601 The only entitled person are the invaders who don't belong. They're thieves and murders who should have paid ultimate price.
Apartheid was the only thing keeping your country from becoming the next Zimbabwe . Now it has become of the next Zimbabwe
Boo hooo.....