Siege don’t attack everything at the same time. Defending t4 siege moves forward because it doesn’t have anything in range, so it gets targeted first in 99% of cases. This will be for 1 turn I believe, then your top tier siege moves forward and are now in range of attacking big siege. Vs t11 rally, where the attacking range is less, they will target the t4 for longer (more turns) before moving to hitting defending big siege, as it takes a couple of turns for the defending big siege to be in their range, so you’ll lose a higher volume of t4 against a small siege rally. This helps to keep your big siege alive for longer, but from a points, not power, trade, large volumes of t4 can give a negative points loss
@@nickrowe151 Though I did say I wasn’t 100% sure exactly how the dynamic worked. Also I stated if properly reined it changes the dynamic as in a few reports I went into the t4 was hardly touched and the common knowledge is if reined properly the t4 dynamic doesn’t come into play, usually. What interests me about this theory is you say t4 moves forward because it has nothing in range and you claim the top tier isn’t in range either but the t4 moves forward into range but the top tier doesn’t as I’ve read this you state the t4 gets hit first however. Doesn’t higher have higher speed then t4?
@ that’s correct, only t15/16 have a higher speed. But they don’t move on the first turn, theory being that already have the range to reach the attacking siege, I think Derrick covers this in one of his videos. T4 don’t have anything in their range so they move forward and become a target as they are the closest siege to the attacking siege so they get hit first in most cases. You’re right about rein making a difference for sure. We don’t t11 rally people who have rein because it never seems to go well for us. However, with no rein you can clear hundreds of millions of t4 siege and the point trade (not power exchange) can be very positive. Like I said t11 will target the t4 for longer, but t4 can take up a couple of turns against big siege before your big siege are targeted. That’s my understanding anyway, but I could well be wrong
@@nickrowe151 this is good info as most don’t have a clear knowledge of this. Like everything we try to base a majority of what we know off what we see in reports. So this is a great piece of knowledge to throw onto the Evony pile of how the game works lol
So the reason this works, is because the t4 siege have lower range and thus move up to find targets, which eventually puts them in the enemy high tier siege extended range, while your bigger siege stay back with their better range.
@@TheFluffedLife The way it’s worded the way you said this makes more sense to me which I’m feeling like a few of you are saying similar things. With this though I do understand the concept and it makes sense to me thank you…. Everyone
@@Geisthound I’ve considered you a friend since we first were teammates in all star a long time ago. You’ve always been a solid player and we get ready to face off once again in chalons on Saturday. Though hot will kill us all lmao 🤣
I d appreciate all the comments though as RUclips is a good place to share ideas and learn. Which ultimately is the goal. If you’ve watched my videos you’ll notice I almost always tell everyone it’s ok if you don’t know everything and you don’t always have to be correct. The whole point for the Evony community is to learn. Have fun enjoy the game
Thoughts? It's my alliances belief that a T11 siege attack with FLATS attacks a good percentage of the T4's to go positive on the rally... pretty sure we've been successful with that.
@@mikezepp9687 also it will hit high tiers as well so a full small siege rally will be positive generally speaking again depending on rein and the regular factors. In looking at my reports I’m usually negative against a small siege but positive against a big siege of course until all the siege is gone
I appreciate you sharing that information, but there is something that puzzles me (no matter that any player is always trying to get more): As a defender, what is the number that when you reach it is considered a good buff?
@@salaymah difficult question to answer as your debuff is very important as well. To be solid I feel like aiming for 2600 across the board is a good goal if you have good debuff. Keep in mind some have much higher 3800 plus especially in siege attack. I’m big on hp and like to have a high number there as I preach the concept be harder to kill and it makes you harder for the enemy to kill
Hey there! ❤I have been subscribed to your channel on my main RUclips account for a long time. I didn’t know you watched my stuff too. So it seems like you agree with me, to make sure the build has plenty of t4 siege for a meat shield? Or did I miss something?
@@Jedi-Temple absolutely!!! End of the day if you want to be good at this game you personally need to put the time in. Which when you see things from other solid RUclipsrs about the game you can tell a player who is putting in the time learning the game and spending time looking at reports in depth. For everyone else who is reading this become a boss at reading reports and you will become a boss in the game.
@@AD-jd3og I actually modeled my debuff lineup based off a video he posted a long time ago. The changes helped significantly, then I dug a little deeper to get the most out of debuff. So in a way he has helped me as well. We just view things differently. I like to hear all ideas because I’ve come up with some ideas everyone said will never work and now they are common knowledge and used quite regularly. One that really comes to mind is mix marches used as a pre rein which my team uses a lot now.
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Ty Geist very good video you are great and ty for supporting Jedi a nd Derrick
Thank you for your videos
hi. please give me some advice on building troops. sector new 1-5b players
Siege don’t attack everything at the same time.
Defending t4 siege moves forward because it doesn’t have anything in range, so it gets targeted first in 99% of cases.
This will be for 1 turn I believe, then your top tier siege moves forward and are now in range of attacking big siege.
Vs t11 rally, where the attacking range is less, they will target the t4 for longer (more turns) before moving to hitting defending big siege, as it takes a couple of turns for the defending big siege to be in their range, so you’ll lose a higher volume of t4 against a small siege rally. This helps to keep your big siege alive for longer, but from a points, not power, trade, large volumes of t4 can give a negative points loss
@@nickrowe151 Though I did say I wasn’t 100% sure exactly how the dynamic worked. Also I stated if properly reined it changes the dynamic as in a few reports I went into the t4 was hardly touched and the common knowledge is if reined properly the t4 dynamic doesn’t come into play, usually. What interests me about this theory is you say t4 moves forward because it has nothing in range and you claim the top tier isn’t in range either but the t4 moves forward into range but the top tier doesn’t as I’ve read this you state the t4 gets hit first however. Doesn’t higher have higher speed then t4?
@ that’s correct, only t15/16 have a higher speed. But they don’t move on the first turn, theory being that already have the range to reach the attacking siege, I think Derrick covers this in one of his videos.
T4 don’t have anything in their range so they move forward and become a target as they are the closest siege to the attacking siege so they get hit first in most cases.
You’re right about rein making a difference for sure. We don’t t11 rally people who have rein because it never seems to go well for us. However, with no rein you can clear hundreds of millions of t4 siege and the point trade (not power exchange) can be very positive.
Like I said t11 will target the t4 for longer, but t4 can take up a couple of turns against big siege before your big siege are targeted. That’s my understanding anyway, but I could well be wrong
@@nickrowe151 this is good info as most don’t have a clear knowledge of this. Like everything we try to base a majority of what we know off what we see in reports. So this is a great piece of knowledge to throw onto the Evony pile of how the game works lol
So the reason this works, is because the t4 siege have lower range and thus move up to find targets, which eventually puts them in the enemy high tier siege extended range, while your bigger siege stay back with their better range.
@@TheFluffedLife The way it’s worded the way you said this makes more sense to me which I’m feeling like a few of you are saying similar things. With this though I do understand the concept and it makes sense to me thank you…. Everyone
I studied your clan and noticed a lot of k38-39 but not many troops. All resources go to developing the city?
@@calgary-cuaet I’m not real sure on those players. But we like to push for upgrades and research then troops when your ready to pvp
@@tim292926 You have a lot of people up to 6b. They don't build troops?
I took big siege rally not realizing I did not have reins did pretty good .
@@hollymorris9360 this is good always remember level of buffs you face are a major factor and keep pushing debuff
dude all good, even if ppl see my buffs i dont mind. Good video !
@@Geisthound I’ve considered you a friend since we first were teammates in all star a long time ago. You’ve always been a solid player and we get ready to face off once again in chalons on Saturday. Though hot will kill us all lmao 🤣
I d appreciate all the comments though as RUclips is a good place to share ideas and learn. Which ultimately is the goal. If you’ve watched my videos you’ll notice I almost always tell everyone it’s ok if you don’t know everything and you don’t always have to be correct. The whole point for the Evony community is to learn. Have fun enjoy the game
Thoughts? It's my alliances belief that a T11 siege attack with FLATS attacks a good percentage of the T4's to go positive on the rally... pretty sure we've been successful with that.
@@mikezepp9687 also it will hit high tiers as well so a full small siege rally will be positive generally speaking again depending on rein and the regular factors. In looking at my reports I’m usually negative against a small siege but positive against a big siege of course until all the siege is gone
I appreciate you sharing that information, but there is something that puzzles me (no matter that any player is always trying to get more): As a defender, what is the number that when you reach it is considered a good buff?
@@salaymah difficult question to answer as your debuff is very important as well. To be solid I feel like aiming for 2600 across the board is a good goal if you have good debuff. Keep in mind some have much higher 3800 plus especially in siege attack. I’m big on hp and like to have a high number there as I preach the concept be harder to kill and it makes you harder for the enemy to kill
Hey there! ❤I have been subscribed to your channel on my main RUclips account for a long time. I didn’t know you watched my stuff too. So it seems like you agree with me, to make sure the build has plenty of t4 siege for a meat shield? Or did I miss something?
@@Jedi-Temple that is correct! I definitely agree
@ oh good. I thought so!
@@Jedi-Temple absolutely!!! End of the day if you want to be good at this game you personally need to put the time in. Which when you see things from other solid RUclipsrs about the game you can tell a player who is putting in the time learning the game and spending time looking at reports in depth. For everyone else who is reading this become a boss at reading reports and you will become a boss in the game.
Viper has banned people from community servers who say anything positive about t4 siege. He's not a good guy. 😅
@@AD-jd3ogI think everyone is entitled to there opinion
@tim292926 Not on servers controlled by Viper. He controls most major Discord servers and he silences opposite opinions.
@@AD-jd3og I actually modeled my debuff lineup based off a video he posted a long time ago. The changes helped significantly, then I dug a little deeper to get the most out of debuff. So in a way he has helped me as well. We just view things differently. I like to hear all ideas because I’ve come up with some ideas everyone said will never work and now they are common knowledge and used quite regularly. One that really comes to mind is mix marches used as a pre rein which my team uses a lot now.
@@tim292926 Still doesn't change the fact that he bans people with different opinions. Right or wrong. He's no different than Evony.
@@AD-jd3og 😂