Tbf, Firefly + RM + Fugue + HMC can 0 cycle this moc (Cost 3, both sides). I don't know understand why you are comparing them to a team like DHIL and Sparkle nor see why you are calling them "dead".
@@xXRedZeroXx Even though it's a pretty safe team to run, it's a no sustain comp - This means that's the last straw of their potential, and cannot be improved further from what it is now. not to mention it's not possible to play both RMC and HMC at the same time. No hate to firefly and break team btw - I actually really love her (So I invested the f out of her team on my main) but I also do f2p acc on the side to see how other plays the game, and when I play that account - Firefly's celling is actually too low, I have to skip her for other character, which is actually a correct choice for me on that time. (that acc now running a standard Fei + Acheron, sometime yunli - suuuper boring but effective) For why I compared to dhil sparkle - I think it's a good concept - Firefly rm, if they die they die together (I don't add fugue in since she has a lot of team to go to, rm on the other hand I think you can agree that most unit does prefer other harmony rn cough robin) - Dhil Sparkle they also die together - DoT, Kafka + 1 dot dps dies together unless you play acheron ofc
@@RuriGoko lol sparkle died when sunday got released. His lc is too strong. Only reason to run sparkle with dhil is if u dont have robin. But with the new quantum set incoming, it would be cool to run 161 sparkle 160 sunday with the new set to completely utilize 32% crate without investing into his personal speed. As a e2 dhil main im atleast happy he finally got a set.
@@udyats7305 There's a 2 turn ult strat with Sparkle holding Sunday's LC - and Robin holding BP LC and roll for ER buff, Huohuo / Gallagher holding shared feeling btw. It might spark your joy of spamming SP to oblivion again - esp for E2dhil player
@@RuriGoko I get your point. But also I think HMC could still be replaced by a better support. They aren't meant to be kept in Super Break comps like you said, moving on to the next path, so maybe we will eventually get another support (although not anytime soon). I also think that RM is in a weird spot for this team. Although she provides many buffs that help a lot, as soon as we get another support who can do something similar (Let's say, res pen + WBE) and super break buff, I think it'd be safe to say she'll get replaced in super break comps. That 10% speed and 20% BE suck tbh. Not to mention that having her reach 180% BE in this team is pointless. And still, I doubt she'll get kicked out of the META for many teams, because AS has proved how important WBE is in this mode. Overall, super break still has ways to grow by a lot, it has a much higher dmg ceiling, if not the highest, than other teams, but it's not for horizontal investment by any means. F2P players tend to do this (which I think is wrong unless they are new, that's understandable then), but I think It can be a bit misleading to say that Ruan Mei + Firefly/Rappa could die together and directly comparing them to the case of Sparkle + DHIL.
@@xenoemblem7 I see people generally discussing in YT comment descriptions saying "Acheron is already T0.5 she's fallen off" or saying she'll get powercrept, too restrictive, etc. I haven't noticed any cc or notable person talking smack of her other than random people though
@LongDeadArtist it's a buncha doomposters, when they see acheron isn't dealing 2 billion damage e0s1 on non lightning weak enemies they freak out & spam fell off when acheron is shown in a video😒
Honestly? Since MoC/AS/PF require 2 teams anyway... Just use The Herta team on 1 side, then Acheron team on the other side, since there's no significant overlap between the two (from the video, can put Gallagher to whichever team, then any other sustainer can go to other team).
It's incredible how Acheron has only finally aged now. She's older than all 2.x dps rn and still have top clear performance (ft Jiaoqiu) in current patch. 6 patches long. Much longer than units like DHIL/Jingliu. Lets not talk about DoT tho...
@silverhawkscape2677 Sorry to inform you i have this entire team e1s1 with e2s1 kafka. They don't deliver. And i own E2S1 Acheron as well so i can compare them quite easily since i spent x4 more time farming my DoT team than the Acheron.
@hybridfi4305 Yes, just by having a buffer in the team and gaining an extra crimson stack each turn is really strong. If you use E2 Acheron with Jiaqio + Bronya/Sparkle/Sunday, you will be able to ult nearly every rotation
i appreciate these videos because u actually take the time to explain what you're doing. It teaches how to properly strategize and pay attention to things.
Finally someone using e0s0 acheron,idk why but I feel like in this game community acheron users always assume that you have an e2s1 acheron that hits milions of dmg,as if f2p players have that bro,but yeah,good showcase and well played as well,I shouldn't have skipped jiaoqiu,my maxed out acheron doesn't hit more than 470k,but if I had jiaoqiu it would have done
e0 is good enough but s1 is quite a huge jump. e2 completely unneeded imo as they might release a 2nd jiaoqiu-like character in the future as a pela replacement
i think youre mistaken about the E2 one. ppl mostly complain about the need for her LC and i agree. she just doesnt feel complete without it. i had the unfortunate time using her at E0S0 for months before her rerun. after her LC she's much more comfortable to play.
The fact that almost all old dpses have their team completed while this is arguably the best acheron team(aven without sig is worse dmg wise) just because pela is too good
@@_JoeVer The herta does nothave 0 LMFAO what are u on about brother? She has access to a lot of the limited 5* harmony units whereas Acheron is on strict leash restrictions.
The Herta stomps even without a single optimal unit alongside her. Imagine when she gets a proper Erudition unit who can actually contribute meaningful damage and decent battery at the same time. That plus Tribbie, obviously.
Acheron is almost 1 years old iirc, so it's fair imo. If they have acorn + jq then it's fair for them since they invest correctly on their team, and should be rewarded for that one.
@@engulfed-ko3ssit's not. Jade needs a fast AOE attacker (Lingsha) to proc her FUA consistently, Herta as Debt Collector doesn't proc her FUA that much cuz slow attacker so Jade isn't her BIS at all
I think in gacha games especially a character is as good as how much investment is required to clear, it definitely feels like the herta overall is better because you NEED jiaoqiu to make acheron work. I have s0 acheron and not having jiaoqiu is debilitating even in the lower mocs
I feel like with S1,Acheron can still clear MOC, albeit requires a lot more focus (speaking from experience, I skipped jiaoqiu for sparkle...), tho without S1 and jiaoqiu... Yea she's quite bad esp with the HP inflation
When people talk about '1 cost' and '2 cost' for example, do they mean that the team has 1 and 2 limited 5 star characters and/or lightcones? First team had E0S0 Herta, second team had E0S0 Acheron and Jiaoqiu?
Cost means how many limited 5* pulls you need to do in order to form a showcased team, for example Therta side, you only need 1 cost which is E0 Therta herself, the rest is either 4* unit or free unit like rmc. For acheron side, 2 cost means there’s only e0s0 acheron and e0s0 jiaoqiu. No 5* limited gacha lc. Each limited 5* cost 1 point Each eidolon also cost 1 point Each limited LC and their superimposition cost 1 point each Standard 5* is free until E1 (you can reroll 1, select 1) after that every Eid cost 1 point 4* are all free (because if you play the game you’ll eventually reach e6 even as f2p) The pitfall of this system is - DDD does not cost since it’s 4* but well, it’s a rough picture of how cheap/expensive the run is, and how hard/easy for you to go and pull the same thing to play the same team.
Thanks for showing us how to play. I tried E0S0 D'Herta + E1S0 Lingsha + E0S1 Sunday + Serval and needed MORE than 5 cycles vs Svarog. Gonna study how you play
Am I living in a parallel universe or I am misunderstand what powercreep mean? Why the comments react completely opposite to what the video show? If Acheron need two cost to do the same number of cycles as a one cost team is not bad enough, it is a SELECTED two--cost. It is not like you can pair most of limited 5-star with Acheron and get similar result, it HAS TO be JQ. Any other Achreon teams almost double the number of cycle, which are toching the bottom line of 5 cycles. On top of that, this is already the best case scenario for Acheron as there are future new lmited characters may make Herta team even stronger. And Herta may not even on the stronger side of new character cast in Year three, wheras Acheron is certainly on the stronger side of Year 2 characters. If this is not the breathing proof of powercreep, I dont know what is. 20 cycles?
I think they got the messege right imo 1. Powercreep does exist, and there’s a way to manage it - not easy, not hard 2. Even if it exist, if you have acheron + jq, you’re holding up against the meta just fine for the time being (even if hp inflation continues, you still have 2 cycles to spare for a standard 5c clear in each side) 3. Emanator support doesn’t overlap with each other, so pulling her is fine even if you have acheron+jiao, or not pulling her and play into summon meta is also fine if you have acheron+jiao 4. If you don’t have any access to both party and your account is crumbling down, then Therta definitely can save your account. Even if she get powercreep in 3 patch later, at most you’re wasting 1 limited 5* without dragging anyone else in your account down the drain, unlike some premium team where if your main dps is dead, some unit also die with it as well.
It's insane that in the upcoming MoC stages, Herta deals double the damage compared to this MoC. This proves that the power creep isn't as brutal as people think. What's actually happening is that Mihoyo simply gives absurd buffs that benefit certain characters or archetypes within the MoC.
Its crazy how Therta is already outdoing an optimized acheron team with just unoptimal temporary supports like serval and jade. Oh boi when Therta finally receive dedicated supports it gonna be fire
@@testingabc6207 The powercreep would be insane if it is Jiaoiqu lvl synergy. Jiaoqiu pretty much double Acheron performance compared to every other option even the other limited Nihility. The Herta would be outputting more single target dmg than Feixiao a dedicated single target dps.
Great showcase. It does show that you don't really need Therta if you already have a well invested Acheron team (considering you already have a 2nd team).
Erudition 'style' characthers are gonna be pretty meta it seems like. both 3.0 and 3.1 mocs tave 5 target mechanics bosses so both units will be great. you cant go wrong having both
Let's go someone else using Sacredos' on healer. I thought I was tweaking when I put that on HH. Also nice showcase. Really appreciate you explaining your moves. It helps dumb ones like me 😅
Herta has tons of good supports, also she can use harmony in team and benefit from it, Acheron is not able to use harmony until E2 If you ask me, then Herta is pretty cooked in a long run
The difference is that Herta can abuse units that aren’t just erudition because her ult gets charged by anyone. Acheron needs debuffs to charge her ult, and we don’t have that many solid characters that can constantly debuff while providing good support. Acheron can’t abuse as many characters as THerta.
I saw an interesting strategy in this video for acheron,I saw that you use pela for all enemies to apply that luka's signature lightcone deff shred on all of them and I tried it with my acheron and the result was quite incredible,my acheron damage ramped up from 470k to 555k,this is a verry good improvement(I'm using acheron,guinafen,pela and galagher btw)
Not really a fair comparison, because you have a bis support for Acheron and Herta here is literally solo carrying in comparison, but I guess it's okay for those who has the pink fox. As someone who doesn't have and didn't want him, I would say that for someone like me solo Acheron fell off way earlier. It doesn't mean that she can't clear the endgame (she can even now), but she just feels too slow and clunky, and takes quite some cycles. Though, I guess this comparison actually shows how much The Herta is better than Acheron currently.
2:37 mem attack = 1%? gallagher ult and herta er regen = 1% QPQ = 2% gallagher skill = 4% serval e2 = 1% serval skill and passkey = last remaining percent did i do well boss 😭
better save sunday for second half summon dps, rmc true dmg rlly good with herta multihit skill and the mem advance for her no speed investment playstyle. Sunday ult wont regen very much for herta bc her ult so expensive, rmc can actually atk for herta energy gains and can run penacony planar set for more ice dmg on herta.
-1 speed Sunday is definitely better and Sunday ultimate scales better with expensive ult because it's energy is %, the 20cr is also really good for burst char like this
What do you mean No Eagle Set? Where do you use Eagle Set? I have both Acheron and The Herta and already built Acheron..Problem is I don't know how to build The Herta's Team..
Tbh this showcase is not completely true. Jiaoqiu is the bis supp for Acheron and he's not a f2p option at all. As an e0s0 Acheron user without this fox guy u can't just do this numbers or clear properly at all cuz she's not able to stuck her ult this fast with Pela only. I've tried to pair Pela with basically every single nihility user and no one is able to complete Acheron the way Jiaoqiu doo. If we r talking about the same lvl of investment - e0s0 Herta paired w Jade vs Acheron paired w Jiaoqiu is the best way to compare them fairly (imo). My point is simple: each and every single dps in this game is cool w the high lvl of investment. Unfortunately for f2p players, there's almost none broken chars that can give u insane numbers without any team. If u like Herta, Acheron or someone else - be ready to save, skip and pull something useful for ur fav char. No other way around.
I dont understand how acheron made 600k ult attack i literary have much better build than in this showcase witl LC. Is it because i skipped JQ?😭😭😭 I hit max 350k and need 7 cycles. Also please leave the text just a bit longer couldn't read it so fast😌
Ey ok I'll slow the text down hahaha. 1. I make sure to land all debuff on every target on the field 2. I always max my sacerdos stacks on acheron (by using gallagher E on her) that 36% crit damage makes huge different - and you can do that easily too by farming that set for your gallagher or any healer with st heal skill. 3. my acheron has effectively 100% crit rate 4. jiaoqiu is the goat for aoe scenario
Yes it's because yo skipped Jiao. If you are using Pela as any other ppl that Skipped Jiao you are missing on having 3 debuff always on all the mobs and more damage buff increase. Pela has only her def reduction debuff and that's it
@@zannax351 actually I just miss recall one of Acheron s damage conditionals. But whatever you can literally ignore that part and still what I said is true. Pela provides nothing but one debuff while Jiao keeps all the enemies under a 15% damage increase zone and extra 35% damage at max ashen stacks ALL the time. Not counting the Light cone debuffs (either his light cone 24% damage increase or resolution 16% defense reduction). While Pela resolution overlaps with her Burt's (diminish return) damage increase is less punished by a LOT as you can see just testing both units. And Jiao debuff downtime is almost 0. While if you miss timed Pela's Burt's you are missing a lot of damage.
Acheron here have a 5 star support unlike The Hertha who only have 4 star supports, plis all the enemies have Lightning Weakness & no Ice Weakness which means that Acheron dmg might fell to enemies without Lightning Weakness...& The Hertha's dmg will still increase on Ice Weakness Enemies.
im actually surprised that acheron e0s0 with just jiaoqiu is able to do this insane shit. i have e0s1 and jiaoqiu so I guess I can just skip herta and brute force with acheron for now.
This is heavily skewed towards Acheron. Just a wind set of Serval already massively changes things here. Herta is much better than Acheron. This is just to show that Acheron can keep up
Good to see Acheron can keep up if well invested. Glad that I pulled for Jiaoqiu. Best boi for our best girl! Still has more room to improve because he is her only bis support. Looking to investing my The Herta as well because she's an emanator and she deserves it!
She kept up because she already has an optimal team. Therta is yet to have a dedicated support for her. Serval? Ngl she is only in that team temporarily.
@@takuyamishima8 with how tribbie is looking serval might as well be permanenly locked in therta's team already. The synergy between them cant even be matched by anyone else in this game. Also saying acheron has an optimal team is laughable considering she only has jiaoqiu and has to make do with pela.
My Herta sadly has terrible relics (70/100% Crit...) and I just unlocked RMC (his traces are very low level, I don't even have his A6 yet!, so I can't really clear this side nearly as fast. Having said that, I do have a somewhat well-built Sunday with 160 Speed and 180%+ Crit Damage, and I expected him to perform better than RMC... Only for that not to be the case at all! Any ideas as to what could've happened? I loved your video and how you told us step by step what your thought proccess was! :)
Nice showcase! I have neither so my account is struggling lolol but I’m determined to keep on pulling all the male characters. I mean, I’ve full starred all the end game modes since I’ve been been initially able to, we’ll see how far that goes Praying Mydei, Anaxa, and Phainon are good enough to keep me going 🙏🙏🙏 (Also been debating E0S0 Robin before Mydei comes out, you’ve done a good job being her salesperson lol)
BananAmusement Park doesn't work with rmc, right? The second part that gives 36% crit dmg doesn't contribute to the crit dmg buff to all allies, so using lushaka is the best planar for all teams?
First of all, very good video! I love how you appreciate all characters regardless and I feel like this video has given me some insight on who to pull for this next patch, second of all, I have a question: what does "cost" mean? or, more specifically, what do you refer to when you say "cost"? I have seen this term a lot of times but I never seem to find a good explanation for it :(
Cost means how many limited 5* pulls you need to do in order to form a showcased team, for example Therta side, you only need 1 cost which is E0 Therta herself, the rest is either 4* unit or free unit like rmc. For acheron side, 2 cost means there’s only e0s0 acheron and e0s0 jiaoqiu. No 5* limited gacha lc. Each limited 5* cost 1 point Each eidolon also cost 1 point Each limited LC and their superimposition cost 1 point each Standard 5* is free until E1 (you can reroll 1, select 1) after that every Eid cost 1 point 4* are all free (because if you play the game you’ll eventually reach e6 even as f2p) The pitfall of this system is - DDD does not cost since it’s 4* but well, it’s a rough picture of how cheap/expensive the run is, and how hard/easy for you to go and pull the same thing to play the same team.
Good to see Acheron holding up well and Herta being perfectly capable at 1-cost investment. Once Herta gets her version of JQ she will surpass Acheron I bet. Thank you for the video! P.S. Would Aventurine be a better sustain here?
I would run 160 sd with 0 spd therta instead. It takes too much toll on therta’s damage with spd build. Then again, if you run jade then it’s gucci, if your spd build is cracked, that also gucci
Ruri, I have Sunday E1S1, which is better between rmc and Sunday E1S1 in Herta team? if it's Sunday then which is better between -1 speed Sunday vs Hyperspeed Sunday
Notice the difference in view count? This is the type of content people want. Shit they can actually relate to and make use of, no normal person wants to watch guides with S1's and E1/E2, they are eye rolling levels of unsuprising and you learn bugger all for the majority - who will likely never touch that ultra premium part of the game, and don't want to support it even with a 10km pole (characters being designed around them and having their features and basic qol put into them)
Can I ask why you didn't gave THere enough speed for she move before Mem. Support advance - effectively making her move twice ? please don't take this question as any kind of negative quotation - this is what I have been seeing on other videos, and so, I just want to understand. Please don't be mad or anything, I'm not the most knowledgeable person about this game, and I just wanted to know your thought process.
Don’t worry, I do understand your question. Therta is a nuke type unit, same as acheron. Since with proper setup there’s no problem getting 42 stack on main target - prioritizing nuke damage is more important than effective turn cycling of the whole team. You can see that sometimes I just pull therta up, not utilizing 100% av push. That’s because gallagher is also on sacerdos, plus sometime she actually hold her enhanced skill but mem support already ran out. Turn cycling is usually good, but if you cycle it too fast, a lot of buff will ran out which can place you in the awkward spot. If there’s nothing better to do at those point, you can see that I always try to maximize Therta’s turn by going dynamic mem -1 speed and do therta -> mem pull -> therta combo :D Also, speed boot is not so good on therta, unless she’s debt collector that is. Mem also have 130 spd, which if we run 131 herta, she’ll fall off from the cycle
@@RuriGoko Ohh, I see; I always thought that Therta moving before MemSupport was to generate more energy too (throughout the battle), as it seems that is also quite important - But now I understand why you did it that way. Now that I think about it, maybe Sparkle (with E1?) could work too, or maybe not... theorize this stuff is completely out of my league. lel. I intend to use THerta + Argenti(161spd/Lushaka) + RMC + Aventurine(Broken Keel) - I have to go broken set on Herta (for now), and after this, I dont even know if I should use speed boots anymore. Amazing stuff... lel. thank you so much for replying and explaining.
How would E2 Bronya and fast Jade work with THerta? Without any speed substats THerta can have a pseudo speed of 159, I'm just not sure how THertas energy will fare tho.
Note that therta ult give 100% av push to herself, so unless you’re ok with her losing a turn (coz you would need to ult within bronya’s buff) then it’s a huge dps loss If you want to pair her with jade, there’s 2 viable way 1. Jade give lingsha debt collector and run therta as a sub dps 2. Run 130 spd therta with rmc and use therta as a debt collector
@RuriGoko ah cool thanks, I think I'll try the second strat. I was really thinking of how I could make Bronya work since shes my first E6 but it seems her buffs doesn't last too long unfortunately Im still going to test Bronya sustainless team with THerta. Hopefully sundays LC will somewhat make up for her buffs running out too quickly.
So I tried the sustainless Bronya team with THerta. Currently it is able to 0 cycle up till floor 11 of the current MoC. Floor 12 was able to 1 cycle swarm side but svarog side had ~20% Hp left and once the new cycle starts the team starts to die. I suspect because of the Bronya buffs not being utilised fully, that's where the Dps loss went. Once I get RMC I'll try floor 12 again.
i'm gonna ask, can i use sparkle to support herta? with sacerdos relic like gallagher, since i'll use lingsha as the abundance. or rmc still better than her.
So like will it still be worth it to try make acheron better dont have sig or jiao or just pull for other dps? I only joined in 2.7 would it be recommend if i pull for another dps like aglaea,feixiao or support like robin i already pulled for e0s1 herta but im struggling on my acheron
pelas technique applies a def down but only for the first turn of the enemy. if you're doing 0c it's likely you're using Robin or some other action advance where you can squeeze a looooot in that first turn. that's just my guess
If you cannot 0c wave 1 in the first place, using acheron’s tech is better coz it deals damage to wave 2 as well as giving you stack. Pela tech give extra def down on wave 1. So if that extra dps allows you to 0c wave 1, then the missing 1 stack on wave 2 does not matter (since you already save a cycle with pela’s tech)
@@Flower-tx2kv Cost = limited 5* character or a lightcone. For this scenario Herta team was 1 cost (because only Herta is a limited 5*). Acheron team is two cost - acheron herself and Jiaoqiu. If, for example, Acheron had her sig - that would be 3 cost. Standard 5* are considered as cost after e2s1 (iirc). So, the more cost team has, the stronger it should be.
@@Flower-tx2kvevery “cost” is basically 1 5 star pull, whether it be a character, signature light cone or an eidolon. So the lower “cost”, the cheaper the run is to replicate in terms of stellar jades
cost = every "limited" thing the team runs so count each limited character, limited eidolon, and signature lightcone, and superimpositions/dupes if you have multiple. each of those is 1 cost.
“Cost” is a term made by people who clear endgame as a somewhat questionable method to determine which character is better than others. One limited 5 star (LC or Character) is +1 cost. Standard 5 star characters are considered +1 cost after three initial standard characters/LCs Four stars are considered free. Cost should only be used to determine the lowest possible investment to enter into endgame, and it isn’t necessarily consistent. Cost fluctuates depending on MOC buffs, lineups, and multiple other issues. I wouldn’t worry about it if you’re already able to clear endgame, it’s mainly used for new players and not late game/mid game players who have already started/finished investing in an archetype.
Sunday is slightly better - I would keep him for other team tho. Huohuo is gucci, aventurine no- reason being THerta cycling through her turn extremely fast , the shield will run out.
Nice video as always!! BTW I have 2 team : a complete FART team and e0s1 Acheron+e0s0 JQ, pela and gallagher. I also have pulled e0s1 Sunday thought I am not sure I want to pull 3.0 dpses like Therta or aglea so I want to put Sunday into sustainless acheron team. My question is : if I get the matching relics for - 1 speed acheron/Sunday do you think that team could be consistent? ( I mean 0cycle is great but I'm just trying for faster clear and seeing big damage Is cool tho.) or sustainless teams just for 0 cycle because on next cycles my team most likely would be wiped out on the enemy turn? If yes I will try farm relics again for the acheron if not probably I will farm Sunday relics for next unit (mydey/castorice maybe).
Sadly there’s not many 100% success rate on sustainless team, and acheron falls into majority which means you prob gonna need some reset. But if you ask that if she can do it, yes - sd pela jq ache can even 0c legion iirc. Or at worst 1c
Acheron is not BAD she always have this problem (she is filled with condionals like "have 3 debuff on the enemy, have 2 nihility units unless E2" making her team slots very specific) She dealts great damage is just a little slower than other DPS FF was already better than her by a lot in terms of Speed and self sufficient for example.
@@EricHernandez-ib7jqI think you're conflating some of dr ratio's traits with acheron? She doesn't need any specific debuff count. I have a premium acheron and firefly team and for a lot of content they both perform interchangeably to be honest. However content is skewing more and more towards aoe favoritism so if anything I would say acheron would be slightly better than firefly in the coming months. There's also the matter of pure fiction where acheron is just a clear echelon above firefly, and truly right below the very top tiers of the mode like jade or rappa. Bosses like bananacademic, apoc sunday, and the upcoming legion will also very much favor acheron in comparison, although firefly of course still clears. I also dont know what you mean by self sufficiency? They both need a 5 star support to reach their max potential, and if anything acheron is better off in that regard since the debuffers aren't as in high demand as ruan mei, or even fugue/hmc.
@@zannax351 any better? I believe you totally underestimate how superior Súper Break is compare to debuff stacking. Firefly is her own support. She gains a lot of Speed, her ultimate has little down time. She implants fire weakness (which is better than Acheron ultimate effect to break bars). And is inmune to RNG cc except for Delay as long as she has her burst charge or is in her burst form The performance of Firefly f2p team is far superior. Not just because you can call HMC a dedicated support of her but because Firefly is her own dedicated support. But that is not rare because even compare with new units FF has one of the most busted kits if not the most busted kit of 2.X
Why are we fighting over acheron and Firefly now it's all about stats and decent investment if you have invested and have good stats any team will do fine, my acheron couldn't clear the moc because she doesn't have good stats and investment whereas my ff clear in 2 cycle because she's well invested. Tldr : plan your savings
There isn’t exactly any other 4 star sustain that does anything offensively valuable like Gallagher. Even in terms of just actually keeping the team alive, Gallagher is basically the only option. Lynx is not a character in HSR.
Eh how did I proc that, I thought I counted 4 or 5 sadge. Well If I have time I’ll relearn some of hidden stuff.. maybe pig die counted as action. Ty for pointing it out tho :D
Tbh the reason why Acheron is kinda behind other top dps is because she doesn't have a full premium team since her release, and her BiS is even weaker than current top supports. That being said she's a future-proof character as more better Nihilities are coming and she's only going to be better over times
Can I use Rappa, Rmc and Lingsha with The Herta !?? I don't really build 4 star characters and this is gonna be my first time leaving my comfort zone (Break Teams) so I'm getting hyped up but kinda scared I might not execute The Herta's Potential and Just Regret pulling for her 😢
Not sure if you have fugue or not, but if you have spare pulls and want to play rappa - fugue is your best investment of your choice rn. If you're ok with Rappa being a pure support unit with no damage, then it's ok - they'll function just fine but not the best.
hi I have a question. is it okay to replace RMC for a Harmony (for example Ruan Mei, don't have Robin)? I kinda still want to use HMC in my Break team since I failed to get Fugue.
it feels like cheating doing a showdown and one team gets double the cost than the other, even though it wouldn't make THAT much of a difference since herta is very f2p friendly
The acheron is 1 years old. So if you don’t have both team - it’s an easy answer. If you already have acorn+jq with good second team, then you can save jade.
My friend actually tested this for me, fuxuan is slightly harder to do 2c on true sting compared to gall (this is trend fx e0s0) so yes but slightly worse.
Only thing ill say is the cost is nit the same as RMC Pela and Gallagher are practically free so herta doesnt have ger Jiaqiou, preety good from Acheron tho
I give acheron 1 cost advantage since if you play for a long time, there’s a room for every player to get jiaoqiu if they’re focused on their acheron. Therta is a new unit without any dlc atm - and she’s newer so she should perform at least the same with lower cost to justify her spot.
Cost means how many limited 5* pulls you need to do in order to form a showcased team, for example Therta side, you only need 1 cost which is E0 Therta herself, the rest is either 4* unit or free unit like rmc. For acheron side, 2 cost means there’s only e0s0 acheron and e0s0 jiaoqiu. No 5* limited gacha lc. Each limited 5* cost 1 point Each eidolon also cost 1 point Each limited LC and their superimposition cost 1 point each Standard 5* is free until E1 (you can reroll 1, select 1) after that every Eid cost 1 point 4* are all free (because if you play the game you’ll eventually reach e6 even as f2p) The pitfall of this system is - DDD does not cost since it’s 4* but well, it’s a rough picture of how cheap/expensive the run is, and how hard/easy for you to go and pull the same thing to play the same team.
Part 2 is here ruclips.net/video/MicjJKlHUKQ/видео.html
Just in case you need a conclusion from my side, Here's a message for you all
Tbf, Firefly + RM + Fugue + HMC can 0 cycle this moc (Cost 3, both sides). I don't know understand why you are comparing them to a team like DHIL and Sparkle nor see why you are calling them "dead".
@@xXRedZeroXx Even though it's a pretty safe team to run, it's a no sustain comp - This means that's the last straw of their potential, and cannot be improved further from what it is now. not to mention it's not possible to play both RMC and HMC at the same time.
No hate to firefly and break team btw - I actually really love her (So I invested the f out of her team on my main) but I also do f2p acc on the side to see how other plays the game, and when I play that account - Firefly's celling is actually too low, I have to skip her for other character, which is actually a correct choice for me on that time. (that acc now running a standard Fei + Acheron, sometime yunli - suuuper boring but effective)
For why I compared to dhil sparkle - I think it's a good concept
- Firefly rm, if they die they die together (I don't add fugue in since she has a lot of team to go to, rm on the other hand I think you can agree that most unit does prefer other harmony rn cough robin)
- Dhil Sparkle they also die together
- DoT, Kafka + 1 dot dps dies together unless you play acheron ofc
@@RuriGoko lol sparkle died when sunday got released. His lc is too strong. Only reason to run sparkle with dhil is if u dont have robin. But with the new quantum set incoming, it would be cool to run 161 sparkle 160 sunday with the new set to completely utilize 32% crate without investing into his personal speed. As a e2 dhil main im atleast happy he finally got a set.
@@udyats7305 There's a 2 turn ult strat with Sparkle holding Sunday's LC - and Robin holding BP LC and roll for ER buff, Huohuo / Gallagher holding shared feeling btw.
It might spark your joy of spamming SP to oblivion again - esp for E2dhil player
@@RuriGoko I get your point. But also I think HMC could still be replaced by a better support. They aren't meant to be kept in Super Break comps like you said, moving on to the next path, so maybe we will eventually get another support (although not anytime soon).
I also think that RM is in a weird spot for this team. Although she provides many buffs that help a lot, as soon as we get another support who can do something similar (Let's say, res pen + WBE) and super break buff, I think it'd be safe to say she'll get replaced in super break comps. That 10% speed and 20% BE suck tbh. Not to mention that having her reach 180% BE in this team is pointless. And still, I doubt she'll get kicked out of the META for many teams, because AS has proved how important WBE is in this mode.
Overall, super break still has ways to grow by a lot, it has a much higher dmg ceiling, if not the highest, than other teams, but it's not for horizontal investment by any means. F2P players tend to do this (which I think is wrong unless they are new, that's understandable then), but I think It can be a bit misleading to say that Ruan Mei + Firefly/Rappa could die together and directly comparing them to the case of Sparkle + DHIL.
Thank you for not shitting on Acheron like others do. The Girlie fell of one step people already buried her.
Who are these "others" you speak of? for research purposes
@@xenoemblem7 I see people generally discussing in YT comment descriptions saying "Acheron is already T0.5 she's fallen off" or saying she'll get powercrept, too restrictive, etc.
I haven't noticed any cc or notable person talking smack of her other than random people though
@ I think random people on the comment section are full of doomposters, so might as well reject their opinion all together
@LongDeadArtist it's a buncha doomposters, when they see acheron isn't dealing 2 billion damage e0s1 on non lightning weak enemies they freak out & spam fell off when acheron is shown in a video😒
The bosses in 3.0 seem to be more multi-target again, so Acheron is not falling off anytime soon lol
Honestly? Since MoC/AS/PF require 2 teams anyway...
Just use The Herta team on 1 side, then Acheron team on the other side, since there's no significant overlap between the two (from the video, can put Gallagher to whichever team, then any other sustainer can go to other team).
If everyone can take this as take home message I would be sooooo Happy
No
I use Rappa on the other team tho
If you dont care, why do you even watch these kind of video in the first place? Dont lie to yourself bro.
@@RuriGoko that's not what you're conveying when your vide is titled herta VS acheron...
It's incredible how Acheron has only finally aged now. She's older than all 2.x dps rn and still have top clear performance (ft Jiaoqiu) in current patch. 6 patches long. Much longer than units like DHIL/Jingliu. Lets not talk about DoT tho...
She's an anniversary character and a Mei expy, so she has that privilege on her.
"DOT NEVER DIES!" I yell as they drag me into a white padded room.
Dot works but you need to invest into it more. I'm planning to pull for E1 on my Ruan Mei so that I can actually do more with DOT.
Even now she's op, that was 2 cycle only because the bug has a lightning res
@silverhawkscape2677 Sorry to inform you i have this entire team e1s1 with e2s1 kafka. They don't deliver. And i own E2S1 Acheron as well so i can compare them quite easily since i spent x4 more time farming my DoT team than the Acheron.
Thanks for not misleading us. Because some ccs tend to favour next dps than previous when compared.
especially poor acheron..
Is e2 Acheron with her sig worth getting I got e1 sig
@@eleanorrigby172 well yes e2 acheron is a big thing
@@eleanorrigby172Though it's worth considering that in the future, there might be even stronger Nihility debuffer that she can pair with.
@hybridfi4305 Yes, just by having a buffer in the team and gaining an extra crimson stack each turn is really strong. If you use E2 Acheron with Jiaqio + Bronya/Sparkle/Sunday, you will be able to ult nearly every rotation
i appreciate these videos because u actually take the time to explain what you're doing. It teaches how to properly strategize and pay attention to things.
gallagher basically playing as a harmony here, is there anything this man can't do??
Sacerdos is just insane and gallagher is a GOAT🗣🔥🔥
being alive
A real man bc he provides 🙂↕️
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Finally someone using e0s0 acheron,idk why but I feel like in this game community acheron users always assume that you have an e2s1 acheron that hits milions of dmg,as if f2p players have that bro,but yeah,good showcase and well played as well,I shouldn't have skipped jiaoqiu,my maxed out acheron doesn't hit more than 470k,but if I had jiaoqiu it would have done
I have her E1 and that’s all i needed well i didnt need it i wanted it haha
nah, that's kinda false. they assume s1, yeah, but definitely not e2.
e0 is good enough but s1 is quite a huge jump. e2 completely unneeded imo as they might release a 2nd jiaoqiu-like character in the future as a pela replacement
i think youre mistaken about the E2 one. ppl mostly complain about the need for her LC and i agree. she just doesnt feel complete without it. i had the unfortunate time using her at E0S0 for months before her rerun. after her LC she's much more comfortable to play.
Been e0s0 user for months JQ turned out to be the better upgrade than her s1.
I didn't know that breakin Svarog would prevent the arm from grabbing. Really informative and helpful vid. I'm gonna try Gallagher with the new set.
welcome to Hsr, then lol
The fact that almost all old dpses have their team completed while this is arguably the best acheron team(aven without sig is worse dmg wise) just because pela is too good
Exactly. People rarely bring up the fact that acheron only have one dedicated 5* support.
@@hypwhoknowsanything3551 and therta has 0
I mean Jade is not a support but she needs another eru and she's the best there is currently.
@@_JoeVer I was talking about how fua and break team has shit ton of dedicated characters while Acheron only have jq *after a whole year* but ok.
@@_JoeVer The herta does nothave 0 LMFAO what are u on about brother? She has access to a lot of the limited 5* harmony units whereas Acheron is on strict leash restrictions.
Being the Chad he is, Gallagher is just too good for a 4 star sustain.
I'll use this team tomorrow :D
Thanks for the tip, u're amazing as always!
The Herta stomps even without a single optimal unit alongside her. Imagine when she gets a proper Erudition unit who can actually contribute meaningful damage and decent battery at the same time. That plus Tribbie, obviously.
its jade
Acheron is almost 1 years old iirc, so it's fair imo. If they have acorn + jq then it's fair for them since they invest correctly on their team, and should be rewarded for that one.
@@AngelOnerom is Tribbie truly the bis for her in like forever?
@@engulfed-ko3ssit's not. Jade needs a fast AOE attacker (Lingsha) to proc her FUA consistently, Herta as Debt Collector doesn't proc her FUA that much cuz slow attacker so Jade isn't her BIS at all
@@engulfed-ko3ssserval ult spam seems to be her bis currently
I think in gacha games especially a character is as good as how much investment is required to clear, it definitely feels like the herta overall is better because you NEED jiaoqiu to make acheron work. I have s0 acheron and not having jiaoqiu is debilitating even in the lower mocs
I feel like with S1,Acheron can still clear MOC, albeit requires a lot more focus (speaking from experience, I skipped jiaoqiu for sparkle...), tho without S1 and jiaoqiu... Yea she's quite bad esp with the HP inflation
If your acheron is not well invested well.
Herta is definitely miles better.
next patch will be actual herta bis team vs acheron bis team wars when tribbie come
ey no leak haiya
@takaginishikata2050 hey no leaks 🙅
@RuriGoko It's ok most of us already know
Herta bis team probably has a new erudition character, kind of expensive if you ask me
@@maxppo3615 I mean... every premium team is expensive, it is "premium" for a reason.
When people talk about '1 cost' and '2 cost' for example, do they mean that the team has 1 and 2 limited 5 star characters and/or lightcones? First team had E0S0 Herta, second team had E0S0 Acheron and Jiaoqiu?
Limited unit = 1 cost
Limited LC = 1 cost
Also, if you ever see a .5 or +:
1. After 3 copies of non limited 5*, each starts counting as 0.5.
2. Some people count BP LC as a +.
yes
Cost means how many limited 5* pulls you need to do in order to form a showcased team, for example Therta side, you only need 1 cost which is E0 Therta herself, the rest is either 4* unit or free unit like rmc. For acheron side, 2 cost means there’s only e0s0 acheron and e0s0 jiaoqiu. No 5* limited gacha lc.
Each limited 5* cost 1 point
Each eidolon also cost 1 point
Each limited LC and their superimposition cost 1 point each
Standard 5* is free until E1 (you can reroll 1, select 1) after that every Eid cost 1 point
4* are all free (because if you play the game you’ll eventually reach e6 even as f2p)
The pitfall of this system is - DDD does not cost since it’s 4* but well, it’s a rough picture of how cheap/expensive the run is, and how hard/easy for you to go and pull the same thing to play the same team.
Herta is so pretty
Indeed
I subscribed because of the next you put during your gameplay explaining what you did and why you did it.
Thanks for showing us how to play. I tried E0S0 D'Herta + E1S0 Lingsha + E0S1 Sunday + Serval and needed MORE than 5 cycles vs Svarog. Gonna study how you play
Am I living in a parallel universe or I am misunderstand what powercreep mean? Why the comments react completely opposite to what the video show? If Acheron need two cost to do the same number of cycles as a one cost team is not bad enough, it is a SELECTED two--cost. It is not like you can pair most of limited 5-star with Acheron and get similar result, it HAS TO be JQ. Any other Achreon teams almost double the number of cycle, which are toching the bottom line of 5 cycles. On top of that, this is already the best case scenario for Acheron as there are future new lmited characters may make Herta team even stronger. And Herta may not even on the stronger side of new character cast in Year three, wheras Acheron is certainly on the stronger side of Year 2 characters. If this is not the breathing proof of powercreep, I dont know what is. 20 cycles?
I think they got the messege right imo
1. Powercreep does exist, and there’s a way to manage it - not easy, not hard
2. Even if it exist, if you have acheron + jq, you’re holding up against the meta just fine for the time being (even if hp inflation continues, you still have 2 cycles to spare for a standard 5c clear in each side)
3. Emanator support doesn’t overlap with each other, so pulling her is fine even if you have acheron+jiao, or not pulling her and play into summon meta is also fine if you have acheron+jiao
4. If you don’t have any access to both party and your account is crumbling down, then Therta definitely can save your account. Even if she get powercreep in 3 patch later, at most you’re wasting 1 limited 5* without dragging anyone else in your account down the drain, unlike some premium team where if your main dps is dead, some unit also die with it as well.
I can't believe true sting's big attack is STILL bugged(heh) in 3.0! The motion blur effect has been lingering for as long as the boss has existed
It's insane that in the upcoming MoC stages, Herta deals double the damage compared to this MoC. This proves that the power creep isn't as brutal as people think. What's actually happening is that Mihoyo simply gives absurd buffs that benefit certain characters or archetypes within the MoC.
It is tho… catering the endgame content to each newer unit is really annoying and inflates their real performance
Just look at 3.1 and Anglaea
When you can’t recommend old DPS units to newer players in good faith, powercreep is definitely rampant af
Its crazy how Therta is already outdoing an optimized acheron team with just unoptimal temporary supports like serval and jade.
Oh boi when Therta finally receive dedicated supports it gonna be fire
But can that support rival jioqiu? Cuz i feel like it just can't rival jioqiu no matter how i look at it .. but we'll see in v5
@@testingabc6207 The powercreep would be insane if it is Jiaoiqu lvl synergy. Jiaoqiu pretty much double Acheron performance compared to every other option even the other limited Nihility. The Herta would be outputting more single target dmg than Feixiao a dedicated single target dps.
What is this cope. The only optimal support for Acheron here is Jiaoqui. Pela is like Serval for Herta.
With this video now i know that my acheron is still worth to play, great video as always^^
Glad to hear it!
Great showcase. It does show that you don't really need Therta if you already have a well invested Acheron team (considering you already have a 2nd team).
Damn this channel is so underatted. I think i need to fix my brain & my build after watch this video
Erudition 'style' characthers are gonna be pretty meta it seems like. both 3.0 and 3.1 mocs tave 5 target mechanics bosses so both units will be great. you cant go wrong having both
Developers changing the way the dot looks instead of fixing the Aventurine's bug lmao
Let's go someone else using Sacredos' on healer. I thought I was tweaking when I put that on HH. Also nice showcase. Really appreciate you explaining your moves. It helps dumb ones like me 😅
Best thing about The herta is she still doesn't have her dedicated support and she's already good, meanwhile Acheron whiteout JQ is mid.
That's how acheron was in 2.0 😂😂
@franklinmoore4152 she was in 2.1 and the only good dps back then was DHIL and JL so is not hard to be better than them lol
Herta has tons of good supports, also she can use harmony in team and benefit from it, Acheron is not able to use harmony until E2
If you ask me, then Herta is pretty cooked in a long run
The difference is that Herta can abuse units that aren’t just erudition because her ult gets charged by anyone.
Acheron needs debuffs to charge her ult, and we don’t have that many solid characters that can constantly debuff while providing good support. Acheron can’t abuse as many characters as THerta.
0:01 Love the character icons here ❤
Herta with a free to play team, have the same clear as Acheron with Joaquin and Pela? I finally got a second team 😭
Great!
I saw an interesting strategy in this video for acheron,I saw that you use pela for all enemies to apply that luka's signature lightcone deff shred on all of them and I tried it with my acheron and the result was quite incredible,my acheron damage ramped up from 470k to 555k,this is a verry good improvement(I'm using acheron,guinafen,pela and galagher btw)
Nice comparison also inknew i was hearing last resort from pgr
Not really a fair comparison, because you have a bis support for Acheron and Herta here is literally solo carrying in comparison, but I guess it's okay for those who has the pink fox. As someone who doesn't have and didn't want him, I would say that for someone like me solo Acheron fell off way earlier. It doesn't mean that she can't clear the endgame (she can even now), but she just feels too slow and clunky, and takes quite some cycles.
Though, I guess this comparison actually shows how much The Herta is better than Acheron currently.
2:37
mem attack = 1%?
gallagher ult and herta er regen = 1%
QPQ = 2%
gallagher skill = 4%
serval e2 = 1%
serval skill and passkey = last remaining percent
did i do well boss 😭
Great job my man 👏
how do you think if rmc replaced by sunday ? its downgrade or some upgrade ? i have e1s1 sunday
IMO overall an upgrade, but you might need SPD on THerta for breakpoint.
@ ahh okayy, playing -1 spd right
better save sunday for second half summon dps, rmc true dmg rlly good with herta multihit skill and the mem advance for her no speed investment playstyle. Sunday ult wont regen very much for herta bc her ult so expensive, rmc can actually atk for herta energy gains and can run penacony planar set for more ice dmg on herta.
@@ReversedTrapp okayy i see
-1 speed Sunday is definitely better and Sunday ultimate scales better with expensive ult because it's energy is %, the 20cr is also really good for burst char like this
Stand proud acheron you are strong - Ze Herta
Your pfp lmao
What do you mean No Eagle Set? Where do you use Eagle Set? I have both Acheron and The Herta and already built Acheron..Problem is I don't know how to build The Herta's Team..
Thank you so muchhhh 😭😭
Could you make a 1 or 2 cost Aglaea comparison next? With 1 cost being Aglaea, and the second cost being Sunday
You can, aglaea, Sunday, rmc, tingyun/Gallagher with qpq since we don't have huo2
you will have to wait until 4-5 days before Aglaea banner arrives our boy can't make leaked content without unc Hoyo's approval
Aglaea is not out in ce yet
Tbh this showcase is not completely true. Jiaoqiu is the bis supp for Acheron and he's not a f2p option at all. As an e0s0 Acheron user without this fox guy u can't just do this numbers or clear properly at all cuz she's not able to stuck her ult this fast with Pela only. I've tried to pair Pela with basically every single nihility user and no one is able to complete Acheron the way Jiaoqiu doo. If we r talking about the same lvl of investment - e0s0 Herta paired w Jade vs Acheron paired w Jiaoqiu is the best way to compare them fairly (imo).
My point is simple: each and every single dps in this game is cool w the high lvl of investment. Unfortunately for f2p players, there's almost none broken chars that can give u insane numbers without any team. If u like Herta, Acheron or someone else - be ready to save, skip and pull something useful for ur fav char. No other way around.
I dont understand how acheron made 600k ult attack i literary have much better build than in this showcase witl LC. Is it because i skipped JQ?😭😭😭 I hit max 350k and need 7 cycles.
Also please leave the text just a bit longer couldn't read it so fast😌
Ey ok I'll slow the text down hahaha.
1. I make sure to land all debuff on every target on the field
2. I always max my sacerdos stacks on acheron (by using gallagher E on her) that 36% crit damage makes huge different - and you can do that easily too by farming that set for your gallagher or any healer with st heal skill.
3. my acheron has effectively 100% crit rate
4. jiaoqiu is the goat for aoe scenario
Yes it's because yo skipped Jiao. If you are using Pela as any other ppl that Skipped Jiao you are missing on having 3 debuff always on all the mobs and more damage buff increase. Pela has only her def reduction debuff and that's it
@@EricHernandez-ib7jqOkay seriously the 3 debuff condition is a DR RATIO thing, not acheron
@@zannax351 actually I just miss recall one of Acheron s damage conditionals. But whatever you can literally ignore that part and still what I said is true. Pela provides nothing but one debuff while Jiao keeps all the enemies under a 15% damage increase zone and extra 35% damage at max ashen stacks ALL the time. Not counting the Light cone debuffs (either his light cone 24% damage increase or resolution 16% defense reduction).
While Pela resolution overlaps with her Burt's (diminish return) damage increase is less punished by a LOT as you can see just testing both units. And Jiao debuff downtime is almost 0. While if you miss timed Pela's Burt's you are missing a lot of damage.
@@zannax351THIS IS A CONDITION OF ACHERON FUCKING SETTT GODAMMIT
Gotta love usagi flap in the beginning
Acheron here have a 5 star support unlike The Hertha who only have 4 star supports, plis all the enemies have Lightning Weakness & no Ice Weakness which means that Acheron dmg might fell to enemies without Lightning Weakness...& The Hertha's dmg will still increase on Ice Weakness Enemies.
Thank you so much for this video!
im actually surprised that acheron e0s0 with just jiaoqiu is able to do this insane shit. i have e0s1 and jiaoqiu so I guess I can just skip herta and brute force with acheron for now.
Nope. Get Herta. She's the Eminator who like Acheron benefits from new Teammates.
This is heavily skewed towards Acheron. Just a wind set of Serval already massively changes things here. Herta is much better than Acheron. This is just to show that Acheron can keep up
Why not both for 2 different team and/or different weakness
@iforgot4837 Ofc she is! Last time I checked, one of them is 10 months old and the other one is only about to be released. 🤔🤔🤔
@@Azmuth01 I am trying to tell someone that skipping Herta based on this might not be the best idea
Good to see Acheron can keep up if well invested. Glad that I pulled for Jiaoqiu. Best boi for our best girl! Still has more room to improve because he is her only bis support.
Looking to investing my The Herta as well because she's an emanator and she deserves it!
She kept up because she already has an optimal team. Therta is yet to have a dedicated support for her. Serval? Ngl she is only in that team temporarily.
@@takuyamishima8 she has no optimal team than jq. Ff and break dps has now a complete bis slot. Same goes for fua.
@@takuyamishima8 with how tribbie is looking serval might as well be permanenly locked in therta's team already. The synergy between them cant even be matched by anyone else in this game. Also saying acheron has an optimal team is laughable considering she only has jiaoqiu and has to make do with pela.
@@takuyamishima8 I laughed 😂
@@takuyamishima8Saying acheron has an optimal team is comical.
My Herta sadly has terrible relics (70/100% Crit...) and I just unlocked RMC (his traces are very low level, I don't even have his A6 yet!, so I can't really clear this side nearly as fast. Having said that, I do have a somewhat well-built Sunday with 160 Speed and 180%+ Crit Damage, and I expected him to perform better than RMC... Only for that not to be the case at all! Any ideas as to what could've happened? I loved your video and how you told us step by step what your thought proccess was! :)
Herta did so well and she’s so f2p friendly:3
Nice showcase! I have neither so my account is struggling lolol but I’m determined to keep on pulling all the male characters. I mean, I’ve full starred all the end game modes since I’ve been been initially able to, we’ll see how far that goes
Praying Mydei, Anaxa, and Phainon are good enough to keep me going 🙏🙏🙏
(Also been debating E0S0 Robin before Mydei comes out, you’ve done a good job being her salesperson lol)
Great video as always
BananAmusement Park doesn't work with rmc, right? The second part that gives 36% crit dmg doesn't contribute to the crit dmg buff to all allies, so using lushaka is the best planar for all teams?
The 2nd part of the its passive only applies to RMC and not Mem. You are correct. I prefer Vonwacq, though.
Ur correct. So lushaka/penacony/keel is better
@RuriGoko and what about the relic set, the new set is the best or I should use 2/2 speed?
First of all, very good video! I love how you appreciate all characters regardless and I feel like this video has given me some insight on who to pull for this next patch, second of all, I have a question: what does "cost" mean? or, more specifically, what do you refer to when you say "cost"? I have seen this term a lot of times but I never seem to find a good explanation for it :(
Cost means how many limited 5* pulls you need to do in order to form a showcased team, for example Therta side, you only need 1 cost which is E0 Therta herself, the rest is either 4* unit or free unit like rmc. For acheron side, 2 cost means there’s only e0s0 acheron and e0s0 jiaoqiu. No 5* limited gacha lc.
Each limited 5* cost 1 point
Each eidolon also cost 1 point
Each limited LC and their superimposition cost 1 point each
Standard 5* is free until E1 (you can reroll 1, select 1) after that every Eid cost 1 point
4* are all free (because if you play the game you’ll eventually reach e6 even as f2p)
The pitfall of this system is - DDD does not cost since it’s 4* but well, it’s a rough picture of how cheap/expensive the run is, and how hard/easy for you to go and pull the same thing to play the same team.
@RuriGoko Oh I get it now! Thank you so much for the explanation, love your videos. 💗
agree, both are AoE, both have their own unique stack on enemies, both likes the same path teammate
Both doesn’t use overlapped support, therefore both can stay in most ppl account
@RuriGoko you're right
Want to ask?Why does my acheronn only have 200k damage in moc?
How's this herta doing more dmg than mine with 50 less cd?
any tips on how to keep 100% uptime on sacerdos for therta?
Good to see Acheron holding up well and Herta being perfectly capable at 1-cost investment. Once Herta gets her version of JQ she will surpass Acheron I bet. Thank you for the video!
P.S. Would Aventurine be a better sustain here?
Aventurine cannot use sacerdos to give 36% cdmg so.. no
@ got it, thanks!
how good would Therta+sunday -1 spd be? i'm planning to run them together since i'm probably not gonna switch my HMC to RMC because i don't have fugue
Better than rmc if your herta is well invested. Robin & sunday are better but only slightly
you prob be totally fine, just pay attention to skill points management
@@SageHSR yeah, but with s1 sunday, skill point may not be an problem anymore
I would run 160 sd with 0 spd therta instead. It takes too much toll on therta’s damage with spd build. Then again, if you run jade then it’s gucci, if your spd build is cracked, that also gucci
Do you think swapping the trailblazer for sunday would increase herta's damage?
is it better bs or pela in that acheron team? i have both
Ruri, I have Sunday E1S1, which is better between rmc and Sunday E1S1 in Herta team? if it's Sunday then which is better between -1 speed Sunday vs Hyperspeed Sunday
Notice the difference in view count? This is the type of content people want. Shit they can actually relate to and make use of, no normal person wants to watch guides with S1's and E1/E2, they are eye rolling levels of unsuprising and you learn bugger all for the majority - who will likely never touch that ultra premium part of the game, and don't want to support it even with a 10km pole (characters being designed around them and having their features and basic qol put into them)
Can I ask why you didn't gave THere enough speed for she move before Mem. Support advance - effectively making her move twice ?
please don't take this question as any kind of negative quotation - this is what I have been seeing on other videos, and so, I just want to understand.
Please don't be mad or anything, I'm not the most knowledgeable person about this game, and I just wanted to know your thought process.
Don’t worry, I do understand your question.
Therta is a nuke type unit, same as acheron. Since with proper setup there’s no problem getting 42 stack on main target - prioritizing nuke damage is more important than effective turn cycling of the whole team.
You can see that sometimes I just pull therta up, not utilizing 100% av push. That’s because gallagher is also on sacerdos, plus sometime she actually hold her enhanced skill but mem support already ran out. Turn cycling is usually good, but if you cycle it too fast, a lot of buff will ran out which can place you in the awkward spot.
If there’s nothing better to do at those point, you can see that I always try to maximize Therta’s turn by going dynamic mem -1 speed and do therta -> mem pull -> therta combo :D
Also, speed boot is not so good on therta, unless she’s debt collector that is.
Mem also have 130 spd, which if we run 131 herta, she’ll fall off from the cycle
@@RuriGoko Ohh, I see;
I always thought that Therta moving before MemSupport was to generate more energy too (throughout the battle), as it seems that is also quite important - But now I understand why you did it that way.
Now that I think about it, maybe Sparkle (with E1?) could work too, or maybe not... theorize this stuff is completely out of my league. lel.
I intend to use THerta + Argenti(161spd/Lushaka) + RMC + Aventurine(Broken Keel) - I have to go broken set on Herta (for now), and after this, I dont even know if I should use speed boots anymore. Amazing stuff... lel.
thank you so much for replying and explaining.
is RMC better than robin for the herta team?
How would E2 Bronya and fast Jade work with THerta? Without any speed substats THerta can have a pseudo speed of 159, I'm just not sure how THertas energy will fare tho.
Note that therta ult give 100% av push to herself, so unless you’re ok with her losing a turn (coz you would need to ult within bronya’s buff) then it’s a huge dps loss
If you want to pair her with jade, there’s 2 viable way
1. Jade give lingsha debt collector and run therta as a sub dps
2. Run 130 spd therta with rmc and use therta as a debt collector
@RuriGoko ah cool thanks, I think I'll try the second strat. I was really thinking of how I could make Bronya work since shes my first E6 but it seems her buffs doesn't last too long unfortunately
Im still going to test Bronya sustainless team with THerta. Hopefully sundays LC will somewhat make up for her buffs running out too quickly.
So I tried the sustainless Bronya team with THerta. Currently it is able to 0 cycle up till floor 11 of the current MoC.
Floor 12 was able to 1 cycle swarm side but svarog side had ~20% Hp left and once the new cycle starts the team starts to die. I suspect because of the Bronya buffs not being utilised fully, that's where the Dps loss went.
Once I get RMC I'll try floor 12 again.
so she is still doing great even at s0 yes?
I kinda want to pull for her but im worrid if i dont have enough to get her sig
can i change remembrance mc with Robin?
i'm gonna ask, can i use sparkle to support herta? with sacerdos relic like gallagher, since i'll use lingsha as the abundance. or rmc still better than her.
rmc better, sparkle doesn’t synergise with herta
"Count carefully".... As long as I can 3 stars a stage, I just smash my buttons xD.
would gallagher or aventurine sustain better for acheron?
Can i ask why at 18:59 you didnt let Gallagher attack or skill to get more energy?
Def break is running out on the spear guy, If I let his turn comes, then I won't be able to kill the spear guy, and lose a cycle
So like will it still be worth it to try make acheron better dont have sig or jiao or just pull for other dps?
I only joined in 2.7 would it be recommend if i pull for another dps like aglaea,feixiao or support like robin i already pulled for e0s1 herta but im struggling on my acheron
Can someone explain the reason why Pela technique is better only when Acheron team can 0-cycle first wave?
pelas technique applies a def down but only for the first turn of the enemy. if you're doing 0c it's likely you're using Robin or some other action advance where you can squeeze a looooot in that first turn. that's just my guess
If you cannot 0c wave 1 in the first place, using acheron’s tech is better coz it deals damage to wave 2 as well as giving you stack.
Pela tech give extra def down on wave 1. So if that extra dps allows you to 0c wave 1, then the missing 1 stack on wave 2 does not matter (since you already save a cycle with pela’s tech)
Why S5 gnsw over S5 Boundless choreo on Akron if pela?
With proper crit ratio gnsw output more.
(Well CE also doesn’t have boundless which idk why)
How does a slow full dmg acheron with 160+ sparkle instead of pela compare to double nihility? Is double nihility still better
Double nihility still better, esp if you’re facing hit count armor or some sort of stack.
I'm very sorry, but can someone explain to me what does "cost" mean in HSR?
And which one is better? Having more cost or less cost?
@@Flower-tx2kv Cost = limited 5* character or a lightcone. For this scenario Herta team was 1 cost (because only Herta is a limited 5*). Acheron team is two cost - acheron herself and Jiaoqiu. If, for example, Acheron had her sig - that would be 3 cost.
Standard 5* are considered as cost after e2s1 (iirc).
So, the more cost team has, the stronger it should be.
@@Flower-tx2kvevery “cost” is basically 1 5 star pull, whether it be a character, signature light cone or an eidolon. So the lower “cost”, the cheaper the run is to replicate in terms of stellar jades
cost = every "limited" thing the team runs
so count each limited character, limited eidolon, and signature lightcone, and superimpositions/dupes if you have multiple. each of those is 1 cost.
“Cost” is a term made by people who clear endgame as a somewhat questionable method to determine which character is better than others.
One limited 5 star (LC or Character) is +1 cost.
Standard 5 star characters are considered +1 cost after three initial standard characters/LCs
Four stars are considered free.
Cost should only be used to determine the lowest possible investment to enter into endgame, and it isn’t necessarily consistent. Cost fluctuates depending on MOC buffs, lineups, and multiple other issues.
I wouldn’t worry about it if you’re already able to clear endgame, it’s mainly used for new players and not late game/mid game players who have already started/finished investing in an archetype.
Impressive gameplay.
How much better would the performance be if you swapped RMC for an E0S1 Sunday and Gallaher for a Huohuo or Aventurine?
Sunday is slightly better - I would keep him for other team tho.
Huohuo is gucci, aventurine no- reason being THerta cycling through her turn extremely fast , the shield will run out.
How does Acheron hold up without Jiaoqiu and her Sig?
Read descriptions my man.
Would e0s0 sunday with -1 herta be better or should i just build my 160+ rmc with 134 herta? Both will be using fx as sustain and no dmg eagle serval
Nice video as always!! BTW I have 2 team : a complete FART team and e0s1 Acheron+e0s0 JQ, pela and gallagher. I also have pulled e0s1 Sunday thought I am not sure I want to pull 3.0 dpses like Therta or aglea so I want to put Sunday into sustainless acheron team. My question is : if I get the matching relics for - 1 speed acheron/Sunday do you think that team could be consistent? ( I mean 0cycle is great but I'm just trying for faster clear and seeing big damage Is cool tho.) or sustainless teams just for 0 cycle because on next cycles my team most likely would be wiped out on the enemy turn? If yes I will try farm relics again for the acheron if not probably I will farm Sunday relics for next unit (mydey/castorice maybe).
Sadly there’s not many 100% success rate on sustainless team, and acheron falls into majority which means you prob gonna need some reset. But if you ask that if she can do it, yes - sd pela jq ache can even 0c legion iirc. Or at worst 1c
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I'll never understand why people have begun to say that Acheron is bad or isn't keeping up. It's so odd.
Acheron is not BAD she always have this problem (she is filled with condionals like "have 3 debuff on the enemy, have 2 nihility units unless E2" making her team slots very specific)
She dealts great damage is just a little slower than other DPS FF was already better than her by a lot in terms of Speed and self sufficient for example.
Don't try to reason with SR Meta Players. They always make competition in a single player game with no leaderboard
@@EricHernandez-ib7jqI think you're conflating some of dr ratio's traits with acheron? She doesn't need any specific debuff count.
I have a premium acheron and firefly team and for a lot of content they both perform interchangeably to be honest. However content is skewing more and more towards aoe favoritism so if anything I would say acheron would be slightly better than firefly in the coming months. There's also the matter of pure fiction where acheron is just a clear echelon above firefly, and truly right below the very top tiers of the mode like jade or rappa. Bosses like bananacademic, apoc sunday, and the upcoming legion will also very much favor acheron in comparison, although firefly of course still clears.
I also dont know what you mean by self sufficiency? They both need a 5 star support to reach their max potential, and if anything acheron is better off in that regard since the debuffers aren't as in high demand as ruan mei, or even fugue/hmc.
@@zannax351 any better? I believe you totally underestimate how superior Súper Break is compare to debuff stacking. Firefly is her own support. She gains a lot of Speed, her ultimate has little down time. She implants fire weakness (which is better than Acheron ultimate effect to break bars). And is inmune to RNG cc except for Delay as long as she has her burst charge or is in her burst form
The performance of Firefly f2p team is far superior. Not just because you can call HMC a dedicated support of her but because Firefly is her own dedicated support. But that is not rare because even compare with new units FF has one of the most busted kits if not the most busted kit of 2.X
Why are we fighting over acheron and Firefly now it's all about stats and decent investment if you have invested and have good stats any team will do fine, my acheron couldn't clear the moc because she doesn't have good stats and investment whereas my ff clear in 2 cycle because she's well invested.
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I appreciate the comparison, at the same time I am amazed Gallagher is present on both teams. He's such a amazing unit.
Because this a f2p comparison
There isn’t exactly any other 4 star sustain that does anything offensively valuable like Gallagher. Even in terms of just actually keeping the team alive, Gallagher is basically the only option. Lynx is not a character in HSR.
19:56 looks like JQ capped out at 6 procs and you didn’t get extra stacks.
Eh how did I proc that, I thought I counted 4 or 5 sadge.
Well If I have time I’ll relearn some of hidden stuff.. maybe pig die counted as action. Ty for pointing it out tho :D
@ 🙏🙏🙏 great video btw just something I noticed XD
thoughts on rmc vs e0s1 sunday for Big herta? and if using sunday, is 160 or -1 speed better for her?
I like rmc a bit more, tho I haven’t test sunday that much (will do on live tmr)
And 160 sunday is better.
my acron only deals 500K dmg and i don't have jq lol
who is the better replacement for jq?
Other jq :v
Tbh the reason why Acheron is kinda behind other top dps is because she doesn't have a full premium team since her release, and her BiS is even weaker than current top supports.
That being said she's a future-proof character as more better Nihilities are coming and she's only going to be better over times
You are correct, there’s still 1 more slot for her there.
gallager or fuxuan e1 better ?
Can I use Rappa, Rmc and Lingsha with The Herta !?? I don't really build 4 star characters and this is gonna be my first time leaving my comfort zone (Break Teams) so I'm getting hyped up but kinda scared I might not execute The Herta's Potential and Just Regret pulling for her 😢
Not sure if you have fugue or not, but if you have spare pulls and want to play rappa - fugue is your best investment of your choice rn.
If you're ok with Rappa being a pure support unit with no damage, then it's ok - they'll function just fine but not the best.
hi I have a question. is it okay to replace RMC for a Harmony (for example Ruan Mei, don't have Robin)? I kinda still want to use HMC in my Break team since I failed to get Fugue.
I want to know too
You can even go pela therta herta gallagher, it’ll be 1c slower overall, but it’s copable
it feels like cheating doing a showdown and one team gets double the cost than the other, even though it wouldn't make THAT much of a difference since herta is very f2p friendly
The acheron is 1 years old. So if you don’t have both team - it’s an easy answer. If you already have acorn+jq with good second team, then you can save jade.
Will FuXuan hold up as a sustain for this team instead of Gallagher?
My friend actually tested this for me, fuxuan is slightly harder to do 2c on true sting compared to gall (this is trend fx e0s0) so yes but slightly worse.
@@RuriGoko Gotcha. Thank you for replying 🙏🏽
Can you do the first run but E1 THerta??
It’s be 1-2c (sadly I can’t unlock eid)
Only thing ill say is the cost is nit the same as RMC Pela and Gallagher are practically free so herta doesnt have ger Jiaqiou, preety good from Acheron tho
I give acheron 1 cost advantage since if you play for a long time, there’s a room for every player to get jiaoqiu if they’re focused on their acheron. Therta is a new unit without any dlc atm - and she’s newer so she should perform at least the same with lower cost to justify her spot.
@RuriGoko yh
What is 1 cost and 2 cost
Limited Light Cone = 1 cost
Limited Character = 1 cost
Therta is such a incredible F2P friendly unit holy
im new to the game so i dont really know what is 1-cost, 2-cost can you explain
It means a team with limited 5* character
Cost means how many limited 5* pulls you need to do in order to form a showcased team, for example Therta side, you only need 1 cost which is E0 Therta herself, the rest is either 4* unit or free unit like rmc. For acheron side, 2 cost means there’s only e0s0 acheron and e0s0 jiaoqiu. No 5* limited gacha lc.
Each limited 5* cost 1 point
Each eidolon also cost 1 point
Each limited LC and their superimposition cost 1 point each
Standard 5* is free until E1 (you can reroll 1, select 1) after that every Eid cost 1 point
4* are all free (because if you play the game you’ll eventually reach e6 even as f2p)
The pitfall of this system is - DDD does not cost since it’s 4* but well, it’s a rough picture of how cheap/expensive the run is, and how hard/easy for you to go and pull the same thing to play the same team.
oh thanks for the information