So in a single breath the dealers say they're worried that people will hang on to their less fuel efficient vehicles AND that they want fuel efficiency requirements to relax. So they want less fuel efficient cars so that people can sell their older less fuel efficient cars and buy new also less fuel efficient cars. Sounds about right for that group.
“The final rule establishes standards that would require an industry-wide fleet average of approximately 50.4 miles per gallon (mpg) in MY 2031 for passenger cars and light trucks, and an industry fleet-wide average for HDPUVs of roughly 2.851 gallons per 100 miles in MY 2035.” Using Toyota as an example, right now they have 3 vehicles with the potential to hit 50 mpg. The Prius, the Camry hybrid and the Corolla Hybrid. To get the whole fleet of Toyota vehicles to that point in just a couple years would be a Herculean task and extremely expensive for car buyers. Is that what you want?
@@GroundhogzGarageEU ban on sales of ICE cars is already destroying Europe’s auto industry. EPA doesn’t want to be far behind. It doesn’t matter that replacing ALL ICE cars with EVs would decrease CO2 emissions only a little bit. Neither EPA nor EU seem to care or understand that most fossil fuels are being burned to heat and cool buildings, followed by energy used in industrial processes. This obsession with fighting relatively small source of CO2 emissions that is personal transportation, is insane. EV transition is like replacing all windows in a house with triple glazed argon filled, extra thick coated glass ones while having no insulation in the walls and attic and heating the house with coal burning in the fireplace.
@@GroundhogzGarage Electric is of course the answer, Nor do I care if they roll back the efficiency targets a bit. But hey ... the dealers can complain about whatever they want, but to suggest one of their concerns is people hanging onto their current less fuel efficient cars is a joke. No need to pretend that's an actual point of concern for them.
The dealer lobbying groups just need to go away altogether. All they do is screw over the automakers, screw over the consumers, and screw over the governments. This is why nobody but dealer owners likes dealerships.
Chasing short-term profits over long term EV development to please shareholders and the anti-EV crowd -who seem happy to ride the gasoline/diesel Titanic down all the way to the bottom as ICE engineering is dying out and Chinese EVs technology rapidly progresses… how totally America.
And then cry and complain when the Chinese (eventually) corner the market in the future. Then, instead of coming to terms with our folly, we'll just resort to sinopohbia and demonizing the Chinese. The true American way! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
No because people want reliable and quality built cars. The Japanese have that in spades, the Chinese can’t make anything without compromising the structural integrity of the simplest thing because it always comes down to profit vs investment. They are cheap and always will be. Do you really think people want to buy a used Chinese car with questionable build quality and no aftermarket support for replacement parts? Ask that five or ten years down the line. The answer will always be no.
@@kevinW826 You are clueless about some Chinese brands ,BYD has been used as a Taxi cab in China. for decades most buses in the Philippines are of Chinese origin.Yutong Bus is the biggest bus manufacturer in the world.By 2030 Chinese EVs(BYD) will displaced Japans giant Toyota as the worlds biggest automàker.
@@kevinW826 i am a car guy and been to 6 china plants last year They have nailed it better than usa makers ,sad but true They have 5 star crash rated cars and better tolerances and paint quality than most ive seen They learned well amd fast from german jp usa brands partnering w them
@@kevinW826 Toyota struggling with ICE drivetrain right now ,meeting EPA requirements and fuel consumption is nearly impossible compared to simple BEVs, not sure Toyota gets it, they still fooling the public with Hydrogen and FOOLCELLS.
Dealers in panic, their efforts to slow down EV sales backfires, now they struggle with dealer lots full of rapidly obsoleted technology, and need government to bail them out of their own mess. Meanwhile EV prices keep falling and production keeps scaling up. At what point will people pay for an old ICE product instead of an equivalent EV with 140mpg, modern features, superior safety, and million mile class product lives? We'll see, looks like dealerships may have to retreat to rural areas where charging infrastructure may still be behind the curve, but that's as effective as horse carriage makers trying to escape the national highway builtout.
No different than tariffs for the consumers. The big difference is that European OEMs can still sell in China and import cars from China and sell in Europe. It is just a handout to European automakers. Call it for what it is!
@@DroppBoy_Jaythe customers are no better or worse off than having tariffs. The only difference is the extra selling price now goes to the EV makers instead of EU taxing authorities. The consumers continue to pay the elevated price that would be lower if there was no tariffs.
And the irony is how many roadblocks the EU throws at their golden goose, the Tesla GigaBerlin factory, the only one that would save the consumers from this regulatory circus. Idiocracy.
"If you build it...they will come" Dealarships thinking: if we don't support it, then they (legacy auto) can't build it, so they (customers) won't come. Then we (dealerships) can complain about the weaker demand/market... which we are largely responsible for delaying the development.
We're in a disruption. Those companies that didn't prepare are now facing extinction and are flailing around, hoping to get taxpayers to save their butts.
Dealers are also worried that they will lose their massive profits from their overpriced vehicle maintenance and repair fees when everyone switches to EVs. So why should we expect them to be honest about the state of EVs?
@@dertythegrower Ok, battery swap might actually save the business model. Just because the mechanism needed to change the battery will have some areas prone to failure. But for now it looks like we are trending towards permanent batteries.
Only your ignorance allows you to put your ignorance on public display. Hertz knows about maintenance and repair costs. The reasons they gave for dumping their Teslas: high maintenance and repair costs, low resale values and low customer demand.
My S Korean tenant says her Taxi Driver father owns a EV for their business ,a Hyundai IONIC 5,the savings for Fuel are enormous, a fraction of gasoline costs.
I visited S Korea a year ago. I was surprised at how many EVs I saw. American RUclips channels like to crap on Hyundai and Kia but they were actually pushing EV manufacturing pretty hard in Korea. There are a large variety of EV charging stations EVERYWHERE. I even saw fully electric Hyundai Porter trucks. So yeah. South Korea had electric trucks well before the US did.
@@schtinerbock4570 Actually EV penetration in SK remains fairly low. Less than 10% of new cars sold are EVs, and charging infrastructure is merely okay. I'm not actually sure why it hasn't gone up significantly when the main south korean carmaker is all in on EVs. You need to go to China if you really want to see EV and charging stations all over. Well over 30% of new cars sold are BEVs in China, and over 50% are BEV or PHEV, and the ratio continues to go up year on year. And a single major city like Shanghai will have more public fast charging stations than the entire US.
@@tren133 S Korea is just getting started in EVs , they will transition to EVs faster than Japan because they are more open to change than CONSERVATIVE Japan.
Legacy carmakers falling back to hybrids means that Tesla is the only Western carmaker that is going head to head with BYD etc, and therefore staying up to date with how to compete in the world.
GM is dragging arse, playing the hybrid game, but even without bolt GM has more EV models than Ford and stillanus combined, more than Volvo, VW, Bmw, Mercedes, Rivian, hyundai, Kia, all the Japanese auto makers... more models than tesla
They put a small battery in with lame EV range, overprice it, the consumer gets a mediocre car and gets to game the EV rebate, dealers get to have maintenance on that gas engine
@@eze2190Hybrid ownership leads to EV ownership. Anti EV propaganda has people convinced they need a thousand miles of range, then they buy a hybrid to avoid the range issues of EVs and find that they almost never put gas into it. Might as well own an EV.
Huh!!?? The EU drops tariffs on Chinese cars if they raise the price??? Tariffs would have remained in the EU since they are levied on import. If the prices are raised the Chinese pocket the increase. That makes no sense! What am I missing??
What we need is education to counter the anti EV rhetoric. EV's are the right choice for 90% of drivers, they just don't know it or believe the bullshit they have been fed.
Folks just need to talk to EV owners like myself & know the true cost of ownership & know in real world mileage how far they go with a normal 80% charge, know where & how to use the superchargers or have the convenience of charging at home, longevity of the vehicle with the amazing low maintenance of the vehicle. I tell folks cost is with insurance! I have my Tesla for 6 years & love it. Folks where I work waited to see my experience & many have bought an EV (mostly Tesla’s).
I hear people saying they won’t buy an EV because they drive cars til they’re really old and need a car that will last 300k miles. I’m like, bro, these new EVs and their batteries will probably last 600k
Take what dealerships want with a grain of salt. VW has only a single EV on sale in the US, and it's currently on a stop sale for yet another recall, not to include a list of recalls for that vehicle. Don't blame the consumer for a lack of demand on such a poor product.
I'm confused with this new EU solution to Chinese EVs! So the EU is going to force Chinese EV makers to charge more for their already competitive vehicles and thus make Chinese EV automakers more profitable! Is their thinking that if Chinese Evs are about the same as German cars people will not buy the Chinese cars????? Most Chinese cars come standard with many things the European brands nickel and dime you for!
0:45 Am I hearing it correctly? The cars can be sold in Europe as long as the Europeans pay a high price for them? Who is the government supposed to be working for again? 😭
I couldn’t find any sources saying that European Union decided to abandon the tariffs, I think you jumped the gun on that guys. Talks are still ongoing
The decision will probably be reversed at some point when they realize it leads to losing market share in Europe to Chinese automakers without maintaining market share in China for European manufacturers.
So if i understand correctly, instead of the EU adding a tax to imported Chinese BEVs and using said money to help EU factories modernize, workforce get upgraded training, subsidizing R&D in EVs…. They will have the EU consumer give that money to the Chinese manufacturers… cool, eh!?!
They want to force the price of Chinese EVs up without inviting retaliatory tariffs on the massive amount of cars they export to China. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
One report states that PHEV sales are slowing and the "news" story contradicts saying that they are increasing. Which one is it. Sad to say I've lost respect for this ridiculous type of reporting.
They’re slowing… their growth. Meanwhile gas car sales are straight up declining. It’s not just fossil fuel narrative spinning, it’s also the legacy automakers themselves, who currently have higher margins on gas cars
Dealers. Yep, let’s listen to the dealers on environmental issues. Because they want what’s best for humans (aka: the American Consumer). They also don’t want Chinese EVs in the USA, because….”No one wants EVs, but those Chinese models are really good and really cheap, and they will sell millions…but remember, no one wants EVs. NO ONE.” Right.
Actually, the EU didn't end tariffs on Chinese EVs, they just imposed new ones up to 38% because of concerns over unfair subsidies. But there's a loophole where hybrids from China aren't hit with these extra tariffs, so they can still be sold without the higher costs. Smart move by Chinese automakers to focus on hybrids since they're getting more popular in Europe! As for VW bringing hybrids back to the U.S., nothing confirmed recently, but they're definitely pushing hard on their EV game globally!
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Software issues are fixed. Depends who? What software you're looking at? They're the ones training who go look I know I'm buying. I've been buying. Put it that way. Not stupid
Hybrids are good for most urban and rural people who barely drive far and especially if they have solar... it is so much savings on fuel costs, per year(thousands less gas purchase as most barely go 40 or more miles to work and grocer)
i don't want a car that's halfass piston & halfass ev. i split mine up, got an used EV & a used piston car. for under 200 miles trips i use EV over 200 i use piston
Hybrids are good for solving the range issue for people who imagine that a range issue exists. They’ll e phased out in a few years once EVs are significantly less expensive than hybrid
Maybe the government should shift the penalty money collected to building out EV infrastructure. When they say EVs are not what customers want, if they were honest, they would say we do not know how to build EVs profitably and want to keep the cash cow of ICE vehicles going. The reality is that buyers want what is affordable, reliable, and easy to own. The "lack of demand" is not due to customers, it is due to dealers and manufacturers failing to deliver the options people would pick if the option was there.
I had a 2013 VW Jetta Hybrid. As far as mileage is concerned, IT SUCKED. Over all 32 mpg is not impressive. VW, just use the two cylinder diesel motor from the XL1 to make RE-EV's, beat the competition. Imagine VW using the XL1 range extender motor on their RE-EV's. The ONE thing VW does need to remedy is: those stupid screens on their 2024 Atlas Cross Sport that keep going out. I'm on my THIRD screen!
The truth is there's a new deal. The winners have been picked and yes they will build in Europe More joint ventures to come there's a reason why Chinese stocks have went up 20% in a week they don't care what the United States has to say on this matter anymore. It's history and history says the most important trade deal might be this in history changes many things The car's technology that's a fact
United States tells Europe to invest in India. They're having second thoughts on that today and China is telling them why their market is more transparent than it's ever been on the NASDAQ The only thing they can do is freeze my money investment. I hope it doesn't happen the US you never know it's like that it's new day for everyone
So - the consumer in europe pays a higher price - the eu has made laws - the indigenous car industry is in deep doodoo so the eu makes everyone pay for their crass handling of it all - my goodness what a mess
If Chinese vendors would get their software quality issues fixed, the EU deal may backfire to Europe, because that's almost the only reason why the Chinese vendors are seen as cheap these days.
So as long as you gouge customers like we have been doing you can sell cars here. That's a prime example of the little guy never being "allowed" to get ahead. Why don't you just charge people interest for keeping their money in the bank too. That should encourage spending.
China is headed that way they got the tech they needed though JV’s now the foreigners can leave as the China world only revolves around China through indoctrination
its literally the best for most people as very rarely do people go over 50 miles a trip to work and stores.. and if they do switch to fuel for a yearly one or two roadtrips.. you dont get fuel costs buddy
All the energy in a hybrid comes from fossil fuel (petrol or gasoline or diesel), so a hybrid is still an ICE vehicle. Hybrids are complicated because there are two propulsion systems, each of which can go bad. People worry about the battery in a pure BEV degrading, but these same people do not worry about the small battery in a hybrid degrading. With a hybrid, you still have to change the oil. Yes, hybrids are the worst of two worlds.
@@omelborpon3159 Let the Big OEM's switch to 100% hybrid if they want. It'll expedite their demise. I hate them all. Move manufacturing to china or Mexico then import those foreign made vehicles and try to still pass them off as "American Made". Anti American I say. I have way more respect for foreign makers with plants here in America that hire Americans. I'd even support BYD making factories in America.
Well, that will be it for the EU manufacturing industry. In five years time it’ll be 1/2 the size it is now and in 10 years probably somewhere around 25%. This will go down as one of the most foolish decisions that EU regulators have ever made to reverse their stance on Chinese EV tariffs.
their money are from sales in china, to fund factories in eu. as long as their sales in china are good, the eu factories will keep running. with high tariffs, they'll declined faster because of retaliation from chinese side. now they'll declined slower.
Every time you mention demand slowing for EVs you should say demand slowing for Legacy EVs. Legacy can't make the cultural change. They never will. I expect they will start dying off in 3 years as EVs start their next growth spurt. This can be seen by their fear of Chinese autos. They are cheaper and better vehicles overall. You hiding of the problem is exactly like Legacies approach to solving the problem. It will never work. Legacy are zombies and don't know what they are yet.
This is the face of legacy industry pain during a major (and unstoppable) technological shift. In real-time. Congratulations younger generations! Now you will see what one looks like! We've already gone through many in the past. Rotary dial phones, phone operators, the yellow pages, bank tellers, the mechanical calculator, secretaries, etc. Next up is gonna be bridge toll workers, auto dealers, and auto companies. When a government has to negotiate a MINIMUM price for an import, to prevent local industry from being completely undercut by foreign technological innovation, you know that something is really badly broken. And the fact that negotiation has to be done in the first place is a big red flag... it means that those "local" companies aren't as local as people would like to think, and would get destroyed by retaliation if they advocated for hard-core protectionism in their home country.
I see the future. We'll see less of today's OEMs in the near future from bankruptcies. Who's the first? Your guesses are good as mine 😂 1) Nissan 2) Mazda 3) Chrysler, Dodge 4) Subaru This list of OEMs will be down sized or bought out. 1) Ford 2) GM 3) Honda 4) VW 5) Stellantis
EU has too much to lose, they had to make an agreement. US auto doesn't have a strong market there. So not much is lost. But longterm is a different story.
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Makes no sense since average wage in China is over 1600 USD at today’s exchange rate. Did you bother verifying or even just doing a bit of thinking on this before posting?
Way off - According to a Reuters analysis of job advertisements from 30 auto firms, hourly wages for Chinese auto workers range from 14 yuan ($1.93) to 31 yuan ($4.27).
@@rp9674 you realize they get 13 months pay and get overtime, right? Have you actually been there? You also know they get subsidized food and sometimes housing too, right?
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Barclays expects Tesla’s Q3 deliveries to rise 8% year-over-year (YOY). The firm predicts Tesla will report delivering 470,000 electric vehicles (EVs)in the third quarter, more than the consensus estimate of 461,000. In the first quarter, Tesla reported delivering a total of 386,810 units. Meanwhile, Tesla delivered approximately 443,956 vehicles in the second quarter. Q1 2024: Tesla regained the top spot for BEV sales, selling 386,810 units compared to BYD's 300,114 units. Second quarter 2024: Tesla delivered 443,956 vehicles, while BYD sold 426,039 passenger car BEVs.
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Europe Aug ICE vehicles lost sales (69,773 units) compared to BEVs (72,577 units). They are close enough to be noise level. However as a percentage it does look bad. But this does say both lost about the same number of sales.
Not dealerships intentionally marking up cost of EVs then complaining that they don't sell...then intentionally marking up ICE cars and blaming EVs
So in a single breath the dealers say they're worried that people will hang on to their less fuel efficient vehicles AND that they want fuel efficiency requirements to relax.
So they want less fuel efficient cars so that people can sell their older less fuel efficient cars and buy new also less fuel efficient cars. Sounds about right for that group.
“The final rule establishes standards that would require an industry-wide fleet average of approximately 50.4 miles per gallon (mpg) in MY 2031 for passenger cars and light trucks, and an industry fleet-wide average for HDPUVs of roughly 2.851 gallons per 100 miles in MY 2035.” Using Toyota as an example, right now they have 3 vehicles with the potential to hit 50 mpg. The Prius, the Camry hybrid and the Corolla Hybrid.
To get the whole fleet of Toyota vehicles to that point in just a couple years would be a Herculean task and extremely expensive for car buyers. Is that what you want?
@@GroundhogzGarageEU ban on sales of ICE cars is already destroying Europe’s auto industry. EPA doesn’t want to be far behind.
It doesn’t matter that replacing ALL ICE cars with EVs would decrease CO2 emissions only a little bit. Neither EPA nor EU seem to care or understand that most fossil fuels are being burned to heat and cool buildings, followed by energy used in industrial processes. This obsession with fighting relatively small source of CO2 emissions that is personal transportation, is insane.
EV transition is like replacing all windows in a house with triple glazed argon filled, extra thick coated glass ones while having no insulation in the walls and attic and heating the house with coal burning in the fireplace.
@@GroundhogzGarage Electric is of course the answer, Nor do I care if they roll back the efficiency targets a bit. But hey ... the dealers can complain about whatever they want, but to suggest one of their concerns is people hanging onto their current less fuel efficient cars is a joke. No need to pretend that's an actual point of concern for them.
The dealer lobbying groups just need to go away altogether. All they do is screw over the automakers, screw over the consumers, and screw over the governments. This is why nobody but dealer owners likes dealerships.
@@JT_771 Eventually it will be the answer, but EV battery tech isn’t ready for prime time. Batteries need more capacity and to be lighter and smaller.
Chasing short-term profits over long term EV development to please shareholders and the anti-EV crowd -who seem happy to ride the gasoline/diesel Titanic down all the way to the bottom as ICE engineering is dying out and Chinese EVs technology rapidly progresses… how totally America.
That's a worldwide problem. The most popular countries with strong EV sales have huge tax credit.
And then cry and complain when the Chinese (eventually) corner the market in the future. Then, instead of coming to terms with our folly, we'll just resort to sinopohbia and demonizing the Chinese. The true American way! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Gas car sales: 📉
Media: EV growth is slowing drastically!
Car dealers want to ease emission standards so they can continue to screw customers with overpriced ICE vehicles, especially pickups.
I bet you if the BYD Shark went Stateside the sales would demolish the big 3 , those are the Toyota, Ford,GM midsize trucks.
I was in a shark yesterday yes 45k retail phev and very good quality
No because people want reliable and quality built cars. The Japanese have that in spades, the Chinese can’t make anything without compromising the structural integrity of the simplest thing because it always comes down to profit vs investment.
They are cheap and always will be.
Do you really think people want to buy a used Chinese car with questionable build quality and no aftermarket support for replacement parts? Ask that five or ten years down the line. The answer will always be no.
@@kevinW826 You are clueless about some Chinese brands ,BYD has been used as a Taxi cab in China. for decades most buses in the Philippines are of Chinese origin.Yutong Bus is the biggest bus manufacturer in the world.By 2030 Chinese EVs(BYD) will displaced Japans giant Toyota as the worlds biggest automàker.
@@kevinW826 i am a car guy and been to 6 china plants last year
They have nailed it better than usa makers ,sad but true
They have 5 star crash rated cars and better tolerances and paint quality than most ive seen
They learned well amd fast from german jp usa brands partnering w them
@@kevinW826 Toyota struggling with ICE drivetrain right now ,meeting EPA requirements and fuel consumption is nearly impossible compared to simple BEVs, not sure Toyota gets it, they still fooling the public with Hydrogen and FOOLCELLS.
Dealers in panic, their efforts to slow down EV sales backfires, now they struggle with dealer lots full of rapidly obsoleted technology, and need government to bail them out of their own mess.
Meanwhile EV prices keep falling and production keeps scaling up. At what point will people pay for an old ICE product instead of an equivalent EV with 140mpg, modern features, superior safety, and million mile class product lives?
We'll see, looks like dealerships may have to retreat to rural areas where charging infrastructure may still be behind the curve, but that's as effective as horse carriage makers trying to escape the national highway builtout.
you'll be surprised how long rural areas can hold out
wild that EU just asked CN OEMs to charge Europeans customers more for the same vehicle, lol! only ones affected here are the customers
The Brussels dictatorship is the worst enemy os European citizens
No different than tariffs for the consumers. The big difference is that European OEMs can still sell in China and import cars from China and sell in Europe. It is just a handout to European automakers. Call it for what it is!
Yep, that's what they think is a fair deal. If you were a Chinese automaker you have to be laughing like crazy. OK, we'll charge more.... 🤣
That’s what I was saying bro it seem like everybody trying to fck over the customer
@@DroppBoy_Jaythe customers are no better or worse off than having tariffs. The only difference is the extra selling price now goes to the EV makers instead of EU taxing authorities. The consumers continue to pay the elevated price that would be lower if there was no tariffs.
that tariff solution is kinda shit for eu customers
And the irony is how many roadblocks the EU throws at their golden goose, the Tesla GigaBerlin factory, the only one that would save the consumers from this regulatory circus.
Idiocracy.
That's one of the dangers of china, they couldn't resist the threat
@@AllanSustainabilityFan golden goose? Roadblocks? You are delusional
The government doesn’t work for the citizens, it works for the businesses.
"If you build it...they will come"
Dealarships thinking: if we don't support it, then they (legacy auto) can't build it, so they (customers) won't come. Then we (dealerships) can complain about the weaker demand/market... which we are largely responsible for delaying the development.
I want to buy the BYD Shark in the US - this would break the US pickup truck oligopoly.
Well thats fake 😂
if you allow brands to sell directly to consumers i guarantee you EV sales for legacy automakers stop dropping.
EV sales aren’t dropping. Gas car sales are dropping.
The narrative is wildly divorced from reality.
We're in a disruption. Those companies that didn't prepare are now facing extinction and are flailing around, hoping to get taxpayers to save their butts.
The Avatar12 is one of the best looking ev's on the market 👍
Dealers are also worried that they will lose their massive profits from their overpriced vehicle maintenance and repair fees when everyone switches to EVs. So why should we expect them to be honest about the state of EVs?
Bullshit
they will get battery swap, there is always emerging markets with innovations. like robots need repair men, also
@@dertythegrower Ok, battery swap might actually save the business model. Just because the mechanism needed to change the battery will have some areas prone to failure. But for now it looks like we are trending towards permanent batteries.
Only if you‘re talking about the usa
Only your ignorance allows you to put your ignorance on public display. Hertz knows about maintenance and repair costs. The reasons they gave for dumping their Teslas: high maintenance and repair costs, low resale values and low customer demand.
My S Korean tenant says her Taxi Driver father owns a EV for their business ,a Hyundai IONIC 5,the savings for Fuel are enormous, a fraction of gasoline costs.
I visited S Korea a year ago. I was surprised at how many EVs I saw. American RUclips channels like to crap on Hyundai and Kia but they were actually pushing EV manufacturing pretty hard in Korea. There are a large variety of EV charging stations EVERYWHERE. I even saw fully electric Hyundai Porter trucks. So yeah. South Korea had electric trucks well before the US did.
@@schtinerbock4570 Actually EV penetration in SK remains fairly low. Less than 10% of new cars sold are EVs, and charging infrastructure is merely okay. I'm not actually sure why it hasn't gone up significantly when the main south korean carmaker is all in on EVs. You need to go to China if you really want to see EV and charging stations all over. Well over 30% of new cars sold are BEVs in China, and over 50% are BEV or PHEV, and the ratio continues to go up year on year. And a single major city like Shanghai will have more public fast charging stations than the entire US.
@@tren133 S Korea is just getting started in EVs , they will transition to EVs faster than Japan because they are more open to change than CONSERVATIVE Japan.
Legacy carmakers falling back to hybrids means that Tesla is the only Western carmaker that is going head to head with BYD etc, and therefore staying up to date with how to compete in the world.
You mean the same company Adrian laughed at? “Have you seen their cars?”. Oh how far Tesla has fallen….
@bobbbobb4663 Model Y is best selling 1st place in China, in EU and 2nd in US of all car. Lol
@@nguyep4 And the CEO says that is all worth zero without autonomy.
GM is dragging arse, playing the hybrid game, but even without bolt GM has more EV models than Ford and stillanus combined, more than Volvo, VW, Bmw, Mercedes, Rivian, hyundai, Kia, all the Japanese auto makers... more models than tesla
@@bobbbobb4663 worth zero when generating billions in net profit yearly? Lol
Screw Hybrids they are a crutch. Just move on to electrification and get the prices of the units down.
They put a small battery in with lame EV range, overprice it, the consumer gets a mediocre car and gets to game the EV rebate, dealers get to have maintenance on that gas engine
@@rp9674It’s not possible that you can be THAT stupid. Clearly you are just puking up what you have been told.
You’re delusional. Hybrids are the answer. EV’s are a joke
Which part is the joke, the clean running, the low operating cost or the great ride
@@eze2190Hybrid ownership leads to EV ownership. Anti EV propaganda has people convinced they need a thousand miles of range, then they buy a hybrid to avoid the range issues of EVs and find that they almost never put gas into it. Might as well own an EV.
Huh!!?? The EU drops tariffs on Chinese cars if they raise the price??? Tariffs would have remained in the EU since they are levied on import. If the prices are raised the Chinese pocket the increase. That makes no sense! What am I missing??
Dealers are out of touch with this American consumer.
What we need is education to counter the anti EV rhetoric. EV's are the right choice for 90% of drivers, they just don't know it or believe the bullshit they have been fed.
Folks just need to talk to EV owners like myself & know the true cost of ownership & know in real world mileage how far they go with a normal 80% charge, know where & how to use the superchargers or have the convenience of charging at home, longevity of the vehicle with the amazing low maintenance of the vehicle. I tell folks cost is with insurance! I have my Tesla for 6 years & love it. Folks where I work waited to see my experience & many have bought an EV (mostly Tesla’s).
I hear people saying they won’t buy an EV because they drive cars til they’re really old and need a car that will last 300k miles.
I’m like, bro, these new EVs and their batteries will probably last 600k
Tariffs are not a fee. Tariffs are a tax on the consumer.
NO, seller pays the tariffs
@@rp9674 wrong
In the United States, tariffs are collected by Customs and Border Protection agents at 328 ports of entry across the country.
@@rp9674 paid by the importer.
Take what dealerships want with a grain of salt. VW has only a single EV on sale in the US, and it's currently on a stop sale for yet another recall, not to include a list of recalls for that vehicle. Don't blame the consumer for a lack of demand on such a poor product.
Good program, so much better that the boring Autoline After hours debacle of old guys sitting and pontificating.
Yay ageism
If no one wants evs then we should open up the market to let Chinese vehicles in. Shouldn't be a problem.
I'm confused with this new EU solution to Chinese EVs! So the EU is going to force Chinese EV makers to charge more for their already competitive vehicles and thus make Chinese EV automakers more profitable! Is their thinking that if Chinese Evs are about the same as German cars people will not buy the Chinese cars????? Most Chinese cars come standard with many things the European brands nickel and dime you for!
It's a desperate compromise to save business and jobs
It’s 30 IQ policy
Aimed at maintaining market share in China that they’ll lose anyway
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Maybe the CCP had dirt on the EU decision makers?
Tesla's competition is coming All over them self 😂
For 13 miles per disengagement? Hardly.
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Am I hearing it correctly? The cars can be sold in Europe as long as the Europeans pay a high price for them? Who is the government supposed to be working for again? 😭
That's government trying to protect industry and jobs, but having to fight China
BEVs , Hybrids= One step forward ,two steps back, that is the tango legacy auto has to dànce to, balancing stranded assets and survival a tough job.😂
I couldn’t find any sources saying that European Union decided to abandon the tariffs, I think you jumped the gun on that guys. Talks are still ongoing
Inverted price control??? What kind of stupid idea is that!
So we're never going to get cheap Chinese EVs
Want to see US going back to 5 mile/g cars
That means European dealers get bigger profits...😂😂😂screw all consumers.
The decision will probably be reversed at some point when they realize it leads to losing market share in Europe to Chinese automakers without maintaining market share in China for European manufacturers.
Think of VHS tape andDVD !
So if i understand correctly, instead of the EU adding a tax to imported Chinese BEVs and using said money to help EU factories modernize, workforce get upgraded training, subsidizing R&D in EVs…. They will have the EU consumer give that money to the Chinese manufacturers… cool, eh!?!
That's the dangers of doing business with China they had to cave to the threats
They want to force the price of Chinese EVs up without inviting retaliatory tariffs on the massive amount of cars they export to China. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
One report states that PHEV sales are slowing and the "news" story contradicts saying that they are increasing. Which one is it. Sad to say I've lost respect for this ridiculous type of reporting.
Yup. Ranks high on stupid EU rules. The domestic auto industry will be gone very soon.
They’re slowing… their growth. Meanwhile gas car sales are straight up declining.
It’s not just fossil fuel narrative spinning, it’s also the legacy automakers themselves, who currently have higher margins on gas cars
Dealers. Yep, let’s listen to the dealers on environmental issues. Because they want what’s best for humans (aka: the American Consumer). They also don’t want Chinese EVs in the USA, because….”No one wants EVs, but those Chinese models are really good and really cheap, and they will sell millions…but remember, no one wants EVs. NO ONE.” Right.
Actually, the EU didn't end tariffs on Chinese EVs, they just imposed new ones up to 38% because of concerns over unfair subsidies. But there's a loophole where hybrids from China aren't hit with these extra tariffs, so they can still be sold without the higher costs. Smart move by Chinese automakers to focus on hybrids since they're getting more popular in Europe! As for VW bringing hybrids back to the U.S., nothing confirmed recently, but they're definitely pushing hard on their EV game globally!
The dealers have nothing but excuses for ripping off the customers. We’ve learned and aren’t playing the game anymore.
🤩🤩AVATAR LOOKS VERY MASCULINE...I WOULD BUY ONE IF SOLD IN USA! ⚠ GLAD EU AND CHINA resolved their tariffs for now. I'm sure the US regime will F that up! ⚠
Software issues are fixed. Depends who? What software you're looking at? They're the ones training who go look I know I'm buying. I've been buying. Put it that way. Not stupid
Hybrids are good for most urban and rural people who barely drive far and especially if they have solar... it is so much savings on fuel costs, per year(thousands less gas purchase as most barely go 40 or more miles to work and grocer)
Efficiency is king
i don't want a car that's halfass piston & halfass ev. i split mine up, got an used EV & a used piston car. for under 200 miles trips i use EV over 200 i use piston
@@maynotbe One can put quite a few miles of range back in an EV while using the restroom. Rather than spending hours at chargers trying to get to 100%
Hybrids are gas cars, plug in hybrids are good for automakers $, small battery lame range, overpriced
Hybrids are good for solving the range issue for people who imagine that a range issue exists.
They’ll e phased out in a few years once EVs are significantly less expensive than hybrid
EVs are growing. Ice has increased prices about double and they cry about that?
Maybe the government should shift the penalty money collected to building out EV infrastructure.
When they say EVs are not what customers want, if they were honest, they would say we do not know how to build EVs profitably and want to keep the cash cow of ICE vehicles going.
The reality is that buyers want what is affordable, reliable, and easy to own.
The "lack of demand" is not due to customers, it is due to dealers and manufacturers failing to deliver the options people would pick if the option was there.
I had a 2013 VW Jetta Hybrid. As far as mileage is concerned, IT SUCKED. Over all 32 mpg is not impressive. VW, just use the two cylinder diesel motor from the XL1 to make RE-EV's, beat the competition. Imagine VW using the XL1 range extender motor on their RE-EV's. The ONE thing VW does need to remedy is: those stupid screens on their 2024 Atlas Cross Sport that keep going out. I'm on my THIRD screen!
Michigan always hiring for part workers... even 5 hours drive northwest of detroit
Tell me you can't compete without telling me you can't compete
Its out of touch to those who have there head in the sand. Stay the Course, the planet needs it.
I'm guess they won't showcase the Ioniq 9 until the LA Auto show, which I'm waiting for.
It might make sense to report the cars sold per selling day, in order to perform direct comparisons between current and past selling rates.
Need to protect people from their ability to buy cheap cars!
I just want to say thank you to Intrepid CS for supporting Autoline all these years
Dealerships are like Jim Cramer, living in opposite day!
Excellent update and very simple. I am.addicted to see everyday
Bring diesels back to passenger vehicles!
Diesel = lungcanser 😷👎
Wait I thought ICE is great. Guess not
Have a great weekend gang😊 the Highlander
The truth is there's a new deal. The winners have been picked and yes they will build in Europe More joint ventures to come there's a reason why Chinese stocks have went up 20% in a week they don't care what the United States has to say on this matter anymore. It's history and history says the most important trade deal might be this in history changes many things The car's technology that's a fact
United States tells Europe to invest in India. They're having second thoughts on that today and China is telling them why their market is more transparent than it's ever been on the NASDAQ The only thing they can do is freeze my money investment. I hope it doesn't happen the US you never know it's like that it's new day for everyone
So - the consumer in europe pays a higher price - the eu has made laws - the indigenous car industry is in deep doodoo so the eu makes everyone pay for their crass handling of it all - my goodness what a mess
Hello, yes, China? We’re failures, so you gotta increase your price here, mkay?
If Chinese vendors would get their software quality issues fixed, the EU deal may backfire to Europe, because that's almost the only reason why the Chinese vendors are seen as cheap these days.
No, Chinese OEMs benefit from economy of scale and a short supply chain.
So as long as you gouge customers like we have been doing you can sell cars here. That's a prime example of the little guy never being "allowed" to get ahead. Why don't you just charge people interest for keeping their money in the bank too. That should encourage spending.
Infrastructure and pricing and ev will get volume
Pricing issue solved by China, so they force Chinese makers to artificially inflate price😂
None of the thoughts on this video is logical.
What do you disagree with?
Thanks Daddy Sean. Have a nice weekend.
Weird
No foreign carmaker, except very high end, ever been successful in Japan. Yup, there are countries where loyalty still means something
blind patriotism you mean?
China is headed that way they got the tech they needed though JV’s now the foreigners can leave as the China world only revolves around China through indoctrination
It’s actually called non-tariff barriers. How many models of Kei cars does GM produce?
People don’t just want an EV; they want a Tesla.
They don't want tablet, they want Ipad.
No, no
Hybrids are the worst of both worlds.
Complicated and slow.
Go all in! 🇺🇸⚡️💪✌️
No
its literally the best for most people as very rarely do people go over 50 miles a trip to work and stores.. and if they do switch to fuel for a yearly one or two roadtrips.. you dont get fuel costs buddy
All the energy in a hybrid comes from fossil fuel (petrol or gasoline or diesel), so a hybrid is still an ICE vehicle. Hybrids are complicated because there are two propulsion systems, each of which can go bad. People worry about the battery in a pure BEV degrading, but these same people do not worry about the small battery in a hybrid degrading. With a hybrid, you still have to change the oil. Yes, hybrids are the worst of two worlds.
@@omelborpon3159 Let the Big OEM's switch to 100% hybrid if they want. It'll expedite their demise. I hate them all. Move manufacturing to china or Mexico then import those foreign made vehicles and try to still pass them off as "American Made". Anti American I say. I have way more respect for foreign makers with plants here in America that hire Americans. I'd even support BYD making factories in America.
EREV is the best hybrid. as long as the battery good enough for normal daily use. the electricity generator can be used for occasional longer trips.
Well, that will be it for the EU manufacturing industry. In five years time it’ll be 1/2 the size it is now and in 10 years probably somewhere around 25%. This will go down as one of the most foolish decisions that EU regulators have ever made to reverse their stance on Chinese EV tariffs.
their money are from sales in china, to fund factories in eu. as long as their sales in china are good, the eu factories will keep running. with high tariffs, they'll declined faster because of retaliation from chinese side. now they'll declined slower.
They couldn't resist the threat from china, danger, don't do business with china
I WILL NOT WATCH THE VIDEO TODAY. EVERY STORY I SAW IN THE CONTENTS IS A huge YAWN FOR ME.
OK, Bye!
you didn't watch but you know the story. yeah, that's make sense.
I wouldn't touch a Chinese EV even if I got paid for it.
Yet Walmart proves otherwise.
seek knowledge first, then you can say something wiser.
Every time you mention demand slowing for EVs you should say demand slowing for Legacy EVs. Legacy can't make the cultural change. They never will. I expect they will start dying off in 3 years as EVs start their next growth spurt. This can be seen by their fear of Chinese autos. They are cheaper and better vehicles overall. You hiding of the problem is exactly like Legacies approach to solving the problem. It will never work. Legacy are zombies and don't know what they are yet.
This is the face of legacy industry pain during a major (and unstoppable) technological shift. In real-time. Congratulations younger generations! Now you will see what one looks like! We've already gone through many in the past. Rotary dial phones, phone operators, the yellow pages, bank tellers, the mechanical calculator, secretaries, etc. Next up is gonna be bridge toll workers, auto dealers, and auto companies.
When a government has to negotiate a MINIMUM price for an import, to prevent local industry from being completely undercut by foreign technological innovation, you know that something is really badly broken. And the fact that negotiation has to be done in the first place is a big red flag... it means that those "local" companies aren't as local as people would like to think, and would get destroyed by retaliation if they advocated for hard-core protectionism in their home country.
I see the future.
We'll see less of today's OEMs in the near future from bankruptcies.
Who's the first? Your guesses are good as mine 😂
1) Nissan
2) Mazda
3) Chrysler, Dodge
4) Subaru
This list of OEMs will be down sized or bought out.
1) Ford
2) GM
3) Honda
4) VW
5) Stellantis
EU and China make an agreement. Because both sides can win. And scene, except for screaming from American right wingers.
EU has too much to lose, they had to make an agreement. US auto doesn't have a strong market there. So not much is lost. But longterm is a different story.
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Tesla Berlin Furnace News: Thierig says 200 employees are being paid that haven't even shown up to work this year! Leon hires lazy workers! UAW has better attendance!
China assembly line worker makes $1.90 hour
That's not their only abuse
Makes no sense since average wage in China is over 1600 USD at today’s exchange rate. Did you bother verifying or even just doing a bit of thinking on this before posting?
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Way off - According to a Reuters analysis of job advertisements from 30 auto firms, hourly wages for Chinese auto workers range from 14 yuan ($1.93) to 31 yuan ($4.27).
@@rp9674 you realize they get 13 months pay and get overtime, right? Have you actually been there? You also know they get subsidized food and sometimes housing too, right?
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Yep, I don't expect Tesla to be selling in Russia anytime soon.
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@@tesla_tap Maybe!They already selling 38% less in the EU so maybe they Stop selling Tesla all together Here!
Barclays expects Tesla’s Q3 deliveries to rise 8% year-over-year (YOY). The firm predicts Tesla will report delivering 470,000 electric vehicles (EVs)in the third quarter, more than the consensus estimate of 461,000.
In the first quarter, Tesla reported delivering a total of 386,810 units. Meanwhile, Tesla delivered approximately 443,956 vehicles in the second quarter.
Q1 2024: Tesla regained the top spot for BEV sales, selling 386,810 units compared to BYD's 300,114 units.
Second quarter 2024: Tesla delivered 443,956 vehicles, while BYD sold 426,039 passenger car BEVs.
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Europe Aug ICE vehicles lost sales (69,773 units) compared to BEVs (72,577 units). They are close enough to be noise level. However as a percentage it does look bad. But this does say both lost about the same number of sales.