After the static is removed by holding the record, it would be interesting to measure if any static is reintroduced by using an “anti-static” record brush. Gotta remove the surface dust before I drop the needle after all 😁
Any brush adds static through friction. I have both this for 2 years and the Zerostat for decades. Every brush adds static electricity. This unit is better than the Zerostat, but not anywhere as good as the DS Audio.
I truly admire the discipline and scientific method rigor (within practical limits) you employed in this video (and many others) as well as the well thought out camera shots and copious editing---you are an editing BEAST, good Sir!
Very interesting results Chris! Particularly with the way the static dissipates to the bottom of the record when in contact with the platter mat. It would be interesting to see a test of different mat types someday (felt, rubber, leather, acrylic, ect.) To see if the manufacturer claims of some of those mats dissipating topside static better than others are true
Another variable is the humidity in your home; using a humidifier to obtain 40-50% humidity will also reduce static. Something we Canadians know all about from our cold dry winters!
I have a thin, expensive carbon fiber mat and it is as bad as having it directly on the acrylic 2" platter. There are better materials, but I would think leather being some of the best- it is thickest, densest and most resistant to friction. I will not buy a leather mat most likely, but I am rather looking at another $400 mat from Italy that was recommended by Fremer.
Halleluja, this video is the holy grail of record static treatment methods. Will link it henceforth. I had heard of static migrating to the underside of the record before but this shows that something of the sort is actually happening. Looking forward to the 3 devices showdown!
To me, static is an annoyance, but not a huge problem. Doubt if I would open my wallet for more than 100 bucks to solve my static issues. Great video. Thanks.
Unless you're playing in cleanroom environments, static will attract more dust from the air and nearby surfaces. Less cleaning over the long term could amortize the $329 in saved time. As always, YMMV.
I'm just down the street from Music Direct myself. Always nice to save on shipping :) Thanks for the videos! I eagerly anticipate the HumminGuru review before just pulling the trigger on a Degritter. Cheers.
I backed the Humminguru after seeing my friends home made ultrasonic setup. Can’t wait. Even if it does half the job of my pals cheap-o setup, it will be worth the purchase.
Any chance you could test this after doing a wet cleaning using something like a Record Doctor or pro-ject vc-s, and compare it after cleaning with a carbon fiber brush?
I own a 2nd hand zerostat from the 80s that I bought at an estate sale for 10 bucks almost 15 years ago. Gets the job done just fine. But I guess if you’re willing to spend thousands on a setup, the cost of this is nothing. However for the rest of us in rust belt reality, we’ll be sticking to our $9 anti static brush. Great channel, I subscribed back when you first started. I send newbies to your channel when they stop into my shop. You’ve put together some great references, information and opinions.
Believe me when I say it was tough for me to drop 300 bucks on an anti-static tool. I just made it a priority and saved up for a bit. It's also why I try to find alternatives for people. I appreciate your support and sticking with the channel!
I’d love for you to use this to find out if the anti-static brushes used before playing a record add anything or not. You might even be able to figure out the best way to use those damn things. I’ve seen lots of different approaches and have occasionally felt I made it much worse after using it because the record picked up my mat! Only once in a while does that happen though, but still what gives?
Really love this channel and thank you for doing this, it really helps eliminates those “am I doing it right” questions you may have. I have been fighting static for ages, bought many “solutions” only to find im mostly just doing it wrong! I have one request. As somebody who has a love affair with spreadsheets, I would love to see these numbers thrown in something that I could use to extrapolate the info further. While points on the record matter, I would rather see and average number per 4 readings, you could then easily work out percentage changes between different methods. Thank you again for putting in the effort and creating some great content!
Great video! Thank you. I bought my Destat III after seeing this video. I was curious what your thoughts are on using a carbon fiber brush like the Audio Quest Gold and where and how in the sequence you would use it. I have an Ultrasonic Cleaning Machine and I rarely have to use a carbon fiber brush. Today I pulled a record I had cleaned a week ago and just got around to playing today. It was stored in a MoFi inner sleeve but for some reason it had some dust on it. I usually use the carbon fiber brush with the record turning on the platter. Do you have a sense of what would produce less static: Use the Destat III with the record handheld and then hit it with the brush on the TT? It occurred to me this could add more static. Or brush it first with the carbon fiber brush on the TT and pull it off and hit it with the Destat III? this is an awkward work flow. A third choice is using the Audio Quest Gold carbon fiber brush with the record handheld. This is not the way this brush was designed to be used. Thanks in advance for sharing any thoughts you might have on this topic.
I've found the best method for me to be to treat the record in hand and use the brush on the table thereafter. The brush isn't going to add any static and it wipes away easily because the static is now gone.
@@thevinylattack That is what I figured too, but the Destat III gets the charge so ridiculously low it was not inconceivable to me that the carbon fiber brush could actually add a small charge. Add the Destat III in to my playback chain of a UCM, a Tru-Sweep record sweeping arm and a Sweet Vinyl Sugar Cube click and pop remover and my vinyl listening is pretty much as noise free as digital. I never would have believed it. Thanks for your help in this quest.
@@jfm0830 i have been really digging into a bunch of research to upgrading my vinyl process...i still clean by hand using Disc Dr products, tho looking at a Project vc unit, new Mofi sleeves, etc..then using carbon brush b4 playing...but would you suggest looking at this first? I do notice the static still present after cleaning and playing that id like to get rid of. But budget considerate, would you suggest buy this 1st vs a cleaning machine?
@@Mike_Jones68 That could depend on several things. Do you mostly buy new or used records? Is your environment dry which would contribute more to static being a problem? I think a good carbon fiber brush is the first thing to get for any turntable. Then if you mostly buy new records you could possibly hold off on the record cleaner. Perhaps get something like a Spin Clean for now for $100 or so. If you buy mostly used records then you must re-evaluate your situation. Depending on the condition, they will benefit more from a good cleaning than using something like the Destat IMHO. I would also suggest using MoFi or similar non-static inner sleeves right away on any records you are going to play that need them. Paper inners can get paper shavings on the disc and taking the LPs in and out of regular sleeves can contribute to static charge. A wet cleaning contributes towards removing some or all of the static charge on the records. This is why I suggested MoFi inners on the sooner side, so your paper inner sleeves don't just put a static charge on the records when you clean them and put them away. If you buy mostly used records the cleaning machine becomes more of a priority. Once again you could get a Spin Clean or something similar to hold you until you can afford more. I would still say CF brush, non-static inners, a record cleaner and then the Destat. Don't get me wrong it is a great product, but some of the other devices have you covered for some of the effects of static. I HATE ticks and pops of any kind which is why I still bought the Destat despite having an ultrasonic cleaning machine. If you have a lot of records that need cleaning I would prioritize getting the Project VC on the sooner size. It will deal with a lot of static issues. The only case where I would move the Destat higher on the priority list is where you have a really dry dusty environment where you may need to hit the LP with the Destat followed by the carbon fiber brush for every play. My 2 cents. Good luck!
Another good and informative video ATTACK. I don’t know how many occasional record listening people would use this info but it’s awesome to know 👍👍👍👍👍. Plus love the Maiden shirt😁😁😁
This thing is still $330 today. I can't help but wonder if you'd get similar results using the ZeroStat gun, and then take readings after placing the record onto the turntable. I watched your previous video using the ZeroStat but I don't think you ever took readings when actually placing the vinyl on the platter after using the ZeroStat on it like you did in this video. That in general seems to lower the static even more, so would be curious how effective the ZeroStat is in comparison to the DeStat III. Would also love to see tests where you pull too fast with the ZeroStat so it clicks, and then take a reading to see how bad that actually is. I have the ZeroStat and I am still unsure of the exact duration to squeeze and release the trigger, if I should be squeezing the trigger all the way down (can't seem to do that in 2-3 seconds without clicks), just aim at center or do the triangle pattern method, or if to point the gun away on the last trigger squeeze when releasing the trigger, as demonstrated in the previous video.
The Zerostat works very well, but can't compete with the Destat. Measuring the record on the table doesn't do any good as the static bleeds off into the table (which isn't good either) and returns when you pick it up.
@@thevinylattack Yeah one of these days haha. For now though with the ZeroStat, what do you recommend when using it? The triangle method, or just aiming at the center and doing squeeze/release 4 times? And how far do you really need to squeeze the trigger? Mine doesn't seem to like going all the way down, less it clicks.
It's said that actually playing the record reintroduces static. That said, I think that the most important thing is how static your record is while on the turntable and while being played. Don't really care that much about holding a record up and then seeing how static it is. For you showed that static is reintroduced then. It doesn't play in your hand, only on the table. Very very thorough testing, hats off!
I bought mine way back when it went on sale, too. Was tired of the short lifespans of the Zerostats and started investigating. I have 3 dead Zerostats sitting including an original red one I hunted down. They lasted barely a year each at a $100 plus a pop. So the Destat III is a bargain when looked at over a period of time. It is still working very well. My TT is a SL1200 MK3 with an original made in Sweden Discwasher carbon fiber mat from the late 70's on top of the standard rubber mat. I use the DS III every time I drop the needle with the vinyl playing at the very beginning. Even if I do not take it off before replaying. Only during the driest time in the winter has the carbon fiber mat ever come up stuck to the bottom of the record when taking it off the TT. Maybe once every 20 times or so. The second or third time I used my DS III my cart actually popped and discharged its built up static from the beginning of its life. No noticeable negative effects on the TT or nearby electronics including my preamp / ADC and computer that I record with which is right next to the TT. Over a least two years or more of use. I do understand how the static is moved from one side to the other but with the carbon fiber mat for a dielectric in between the vinyl and the TT I have no idea where the static is transferred to. I just assumed that it was dissipated and gone. I used it on other devices for the purpose of degaussing them. Finally, I took it to the drier to see what it would do to a dryer full of dress shirts freshly dried. Reaching into the drier there was the expected hair raising static cling of all the shirts sticking together. Got the DS III and gave the drier a blast and all the static on the shirts was gone and even wrinkles relaxed. This is one powerful puppy to do that. Thanks for the informative video which reassures me that I have been on the right track with my due diligence in attacking static. If I have to buy a new one every three years, it is still worth it. I hope it lasts a very long time and expect it to.
Wow! I learned so much!! I had just commented on your Milty Zerostat III test (thanks for your quick reply), but this series of tests with the Destat III actually made it all clear to me. Having said that, the Destat really needs to include marriage counseling papers, albeit I’m sure they would likely be biased toward winning the wife over. 😜 Thank you once again!
Great review. I'm fortunate that I bought both my Disc Washer and Zerostat in the late 70's/early 80's so I will be able to keep those funds in my pocket. One question - where are you placing the LP (off camera) between your measurements? Is that introducing any variability?
Well done video, but I still don't understand why static on the underside of the record is anything to worry about. That's like saying that if you have scratches on the underside of the record, then they are going to affect the top side of the record. If the record shows static while you are holding it, then you put it on the turntable and the static on the top side goes way down, then you are good and may not have to de-static it. Who cares what the static level is on the underside, or what it is while you are holding it? It only matters what the static level is while and where the stylus is touching the record.
Excellent testing, you always review things really well. One thing I would like to know though is what would happen if you played the record and tested it before just flipping it to side 2? Does playing the record induce more static? Meaning you would have to use the devise again before flaying the other side.
Great video! From all my research I've read the Walker Audio Talisman is the best anti static tool for records which can also be used for speakers, cables etc. Would love to see a comparison with it. It is also in the same price range. Lastly it is a bit painful to see you grab some of those records with your fingers on the grooves lol
@@thevinylattack it's not a brush, it's a magnetic optimizer. I assume it works similar to destat. You also wave it around in circles above the record. I first saw it on the Ana(dia)log channel. It would be interesting to see how it works with the great tests you used in this video. ruclips.net/video/5_DKkllTwys/видео.html
Hi Chris Great Video! Can you tell us what you’re using to Measure static? Those of us who are worried about static when handling sensitive semiconductors we wear our wrist straps on our wrist not ankles. Closest to Our work. I use the Desat II and it works like you demonstrate here. I also notice that your storing you albums in the paper sleeves they come in. Can I recommend moving to Zero static sleeves treated sleeves
Great video! I love fussing with my record collection and all of 'the work' associated with it. But I hated using the milty zerostat. Total pain in the ass and lack luster results. The Destat by comparison is a joy to use and works amazing. I live in Central Canada and our winters are super dry. Static city. That plus my forced air furnace circulating dog hair all over the house and sticking to my records was especially demoralizing. Not a problem anymore. Now about that price.....
Thanks for another great video on this. I think when you test head-to-head, you can get the static down to near 0 with the lighter method by doing it 3 times over the record. i.e. I suspect you can get the same results as the destat iii if you spend a bit more time with that method.
@@thevinylattack while I've got your attention I want to say - AWESOME job at this channel so far, I don't know if you're experienced in broadcasting you seem like you might be a teacher or something, but you're doing a great job at being intelligble and interesting and even funny...you're making it look easy, though I know it isn't! What I would *love* to see, is at least one test to see if the lighter (and/or the Mitty) will eventually get the static down to ~0..and how many times / how long it takes... I suspect the lighter will eventually get there, but it might take like 5 minutes, vs 30 seconds with your fancy destat iii ... Just a wish / suggestion.
@@michaelbliss3337 I might try to test that off camera to see if it actually works first so I don't have to edit an hour long video with no payoff. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@thevinylattack solid plan thanks for taking it into account! I know it'll work, I happen to have an overgrown fern next to my turntable, it tells me when records have static and when they don't pretty well!
As a woodworker I'm very familiar with the elimination of static in my dust collection system and the way to do it is simply to ground the pipes. So to my mind if you're turntable is properly grounded and your platter mat is conductive then static should be basically gone down the ground and any static will be generated from removing the record. Just my logic and experience. Great video as always 👍
It does go down some pipe or another, the question is how bad is that for very sensitive electronics. I think it's better to not introduce any static at all if possible. Your dust collector is a bit more robust than my turntable ;-)
Thanks -- for £405 today I will keep using a simple anti-static cleaning cloth for £3 and brushes for not much more. You would be advised to release any static on your hands before handling the disc -- standard for any work with electronics or other static sensitive items. You can wear a wrist strap or just touch something metal that is earthed.
While I understand the trepidation about spending that kind of money on an accessory, it is by far the best thing out there. Wipes, brushes, straps, and anything else you can think of don't even come close. It's just a matter of how important static elimination (and budget) are to you.
Thanks for demonstrating the entire test methodology and data. Even it's imperfect, it's an accurate representation of an average consumer's use case. I gave up on my Fluance branded carbon fiber brush after the bristles began breaking off, littering my records with dozens of tiny little fibers.
Wow!!! That’s pretty incredible!! I live in Chicago and my company isn’t very far from Music Direct plus I also used to live by it. Their warehouse is amazing!!!
Wonder. What is happening (static-wise) between treatments, sitting record aside, writing, picking back up,, (without re-measuring,) and then, placing x-factor onto turntable to measure. Maybe popping up screen graphics in post, would assist viewers, but, then, you'd not immediate data.
If its just an ionizer, could one of those cheap 5-bucks USB ionizers (plugged into a USB powerbank so you can hand-hold it) do the same thing? Love the channel btw, Subscribed!
I tried one of those a while back. I didn't have a device to measure before/after, but I found it to have almost no effect when compared to the Milty. I think it just generates too low of a stream.
Hi Chris, You are very well spoken. It seems this outlet is a good fit. I also like your approach of paying attention to detail.\ I use a Miltypro 3 my self and find it works well. The Destat 3 is interesting, but the claims are just too much of the same thing I see about every audio product around. I have never tried the Destat and I feel I correctly assume that it works well. Yes, I agree with you about prices, it get's to be Ludacris fast. Anyway, for those of your audience with more modest means (myself included no doubt) I have a possible fourth contender for your upcoming battle royal: I also use a Thunderon brush for static elimination. I was skeptical, but those reasonably priced Thunderon type brushes actually work very well. I just hold the record and brush one stroke with the grooves one half and one stroke the other half on one side and 97% of the time the static is gone. So you may want to consider a four way fight?
@@thevinylattack Of course, your welcome. I was in the industry as a journalist myself from 2012 through 2017 (writing, I'm no good in front of a camera). I'm thinking about jumping back in perhaps in a few months, but with a slightly different approach concentrating more on advice now that I have a few notches on my belt. I also restore vinyl records as a hobby, (studied for two years academically for that and still learning something here and there. You never stop learning actually).
Problem with these type of static eliminators is as soon as you start playing records, static will be re-introduced into the record from the friction of the stylus against the vinyl record. The only way to make sure there is no static build up at all while you listen to the music is to use a device that is continously on when playing vinyl. Two such leading products currently on the market today specifically for turntables is the DS Audio ION 001 Vinyl Ioniser and the CS Port IME1 Vinyl Static Eliminator !
I noticed that you set the record down somewhere before setting it on rubber mat on the table. How much was dissipated when you set it down to write down your numbers?
CORK. That's an awesomely beautiful mat dude!! I've always loved cork mats. Lately I've been using a crosley c6 with a LP gear elliptical upgrade! It has a rubber mat currently but it still rings line a dinner bell. My Denon has my cork may with the grado prestige black. But yeah CORK CORK CORK
Fantastic review of a product I thought of buying many years ago but was put off by the price and lack of evidence or thorough reviews. I will now be purchasing the Destat and look forward to many more of your great and informative videos. You should try Record cleaning brushes and cleaners next. 😁😉
Great video and great tests! I just don't know if that Destat is worth the nearly $400 price tag. Awesome results on well it works...look forward to the device showdown but I have a feeling this new device will win. Always enjoy the videos, Chris! I wonder if using different mats on the turntable will have an effect on static as well?
Fantastic video - I love how thorough you were with comparing methods and accounting for personal variables! I would be curious how effective this device is on records still in their jackets/sleeves. While a regular listener would likely want to do it on each record when they pull it out, I could see several potential scenarios one might try and use a device like this in such a manner: • Record stores may want to routinely "degauss" the shelves • DJs who spin vinyl before a gig or session • Lazy people (haha) I'm sure it would still have some kind of effect, and it also comes to mind that since static can build up in the sleeves we store our records, perhaps this is a good way to mitigate sleeve static from occurring. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to your next video!
I don't think it would be any benefit because the ionization wouldn't reach the record. I may give it a look all the same though, thanks for the feedback!
Have someone record the data for you. That way the record never leaves your hand until the test is completed. This would eliminate a possible source of error. I don't see myself spending $329 for the device. I really enjoy your videos. Waiting for the T-shirt with your logo on it to become available. Keep up the good work.
Unfortunately I'm a solo operation. However, I've tested (and shown in the lighter video) that placing the record on the table occasionally doesn't affect the numbers. Maybe one day I can get an assistant and run it again though. Shirts are in the "testing" process too as I try different brands to see which make me happy enough to sell.
Very interesting video. I came here from the Zerostat testing video as I was looking to maybe buy a Zerostat, and now you've got me questioning if I should shell out for this instead haha. The balance between budget and quality is always tricky here. On an unrelated note, I've seen few of your videos around now and am finally subscribing. I admire how thoroughly you test vinyl gear. Thanks for all you do!
My solution to static pops n crackles… dab the tip of your finger in distilled water, lightly, ever so lightly, rub on your every play dust brush, NOT WET! Not scientific, but with or without an acrylic mat, PROBLEM SOLVED! Been doing it for years and have a well maintained collection… I’m 64… Play da music!
Thanks for the detailed analysis! I've just recently come across this issue. I ordered a vinyl on Discogs and I can sense the elektrostatic field around the record even with my hand. When being played back you can hear loud crackles. But before I buy this gadget I'll make a try with my wife's Braun Satin Hair 7 hairdryer. It uses IONTEC technology which theoreically does the same as Destat III and the hairdryer can be operated in cold mode, too. But first of all I need a measuring instrument.
chris, for the $ difference, a zstat that i already have, or even at the $100 mark is where i would go. i would forego the treatment before play and treat the record AFTER play to put the record in the jacket with the least charge. ...hifitommy
You should do what you like best. I, on the other hand, will do what I've found to work best amongst all the methods and tools available at my disposal.
First, I appreciate your diligence and over the years, (has it really been that long?) I feel like you have truly earned my trust. The question : When spinning the record, are you able to hear an improvement ? Thanks again, Bungeebill Hood Rat Records 🎩 ✌️🐀💿
If you're asking if I hear a sonic improvement in playback after I treat the record for static with the Destast, the answer is yes. This will be dependent on the amount of static that was on the record in the first place, but I don't play a record these days without treating it with the Destat first.
(1) How about treating in the hand, first. (2) Then, a second time on the turntable? (3) Are there platter protectors (cork, rubber, acrylic) that will react better to reduce static. (4) The records are being 'whipped out' of paper sleeves. What is the result with static there? Is increased speed/friction an issue? (5) What about rice paper MOFI sleeves? Finally... (6) what about playing the record 'wet' to eliminate static?
If you treat a record in-hand, treating it on the table isn't necessary (and won't do anything anyway). Cork is the best choice for natural static reduction, but no mat will be nearly as efficient as an anti-static treatment. Paper sleeves are the devil. Mofi sleeves (and those like it) help keep static away but don't do anything to eliminate it. Playing a record wet is a terrible idea.
Great review (The best) Here in Oz they're $550 RRP. I use this as part of my record cleaning and playback. Prior to your channel, I used to put up with the pops and clicks. Not anymore lol Between the washing and this device playback on my system is near perfect. Only thing with your channel, is you cost me money haha but in a good way.
i see it works for me not worth the price for most of my collection 80% of record collectors cant afford it espcally 1 to 15 dollars albums most of us cant afford 500 or over record players
1) You did not go head to head with the Zerostat. 2) 1 of the conclusions which became obvious to me is Jus Placing the record on the turntable Reduces Static 3) Although D Stat is very effective, it is WAY over priced. 4) I am far more interested in the name and cost of your static measuring device!
I got lucky and got a destat 2 when it was discontinued for $180. My cleaning ritual is as follows, destat the album side on the ten second cycle, take a high quality latex paint brush with groove washer G2 solution on it run the turntable at 45 rpm, then take my GW disk cleaner to the album to dry it, and a final 10 second destat cycle. No pops or crackles at all.
Hey Chris, maybe when you can test after playing one side I seem to get the most static after playing side one that’s when I detect The most static. To explain I remove album from inner sleeve don’t really feel any static holding the record I treat side one (with zero stat) holding in my hand’ play side one. Then flipping over to side 2 I now feel a decent amount of static so I treat side 2 and then play. So my question is how much more static is generated after playing one side or does the album spinning on the platter generating static without dropping the stylist maybe some more questions for you to answer and an answer to one of your questions I think my zero stat does a pretty good job so I don’t think I would spend the $300 plus but if my zero stat were to break I’m not sure hopefully it does not have a great one🇺🇸👍
@@johnmbell4642 It will depend on a few factors, what stylus you have, or rather what contact area it has. Also, what humidity levels are in the room, humidity prevents static build up, which is why some have humidifiers in their listening room.
It's hard to say without being there what's happening. It may just be that you don't feel the static before playback but it is indeed there. Depending on the mat you use, it could be introducing a lot of static when you lift the record off.
Still lovin your vids! A tip for a future video: a review of the Onzow Zero Dust? Yes it is very expensive for what it is.... But I'm lovin mine for about 10 years now, and it one of my absolute best turntable accessories ever. Horns up from the Netherlands!
There are desktop versions of this device made by others that are in metal boxes without handles, and they can be bought for as little as $100. Now, holding a metal box with no handle above a record is dicey, but maybe modifying hacking one of those things woudl be a lower cost DIY route to the same result.
Would be curious to see how much static a record has after treatment and playing and then put back into a quality "anti-static rice paper" sleeve, then pulled out again. How much static is introduced? Could you get away without treating it EVERY time?
That will certainly vary depending on the environment (both geographically, and in your house) the equipment used, and the time of year, but it is indeed something I'm looking to test out in the future.
It is admittedly expensive. It's all just a matter of what you're comfortable spending. With the extremely dry winter here in Michigan, I bit the bullet for the peerless performance.
You are wrong, there is a better alternative for those how are really serious about record static eliminating I guess, but it's also serious money to spend for those who wants the best, is it the best solution, if you could put this DS ionizer to the test and we will know. By eliminating static these destat/ionizers also claim that it will enhance the sound quality something your not talking about for if it's true or not. thank you very much for this video hopefully you can dive deeper in this matter which will highly appreciated by many vinyl listeners
Hey I just heard about the channel have you done tests with just a anti static brush. seems to work for me. Also how big a difference is the actual sound between the numbers. So do a reading, play. Then treatment, then play. I know it s subjective but is there a huge difference?
Does using a record brush to clean the dirt off a record cause it to add static. If so is it best to clean the record first then use the static reducer tool. Could you show us how you clean your records a video showing this would be very useful thank you
How you can be so sure? If you bought the device, the anti-clockwise movement was like waving a magic wand in the potion pot. Or are you on some posh mushroom diet so you can tell the difference?
I think another test that should be done is while the turntable is spinning and the cartridge is touching the grooves what readings are being done while friction and air of spinning the plate can either neutralize or increase, I don't know, this just remind me when I was working in a manufacturing area secure on ESD, that we needed to test the ESD numbers while the circuit boards were traveling through the conveyors from one machine to the other, even the conveyors or equipment were properly grounded.
Bought one of these based on this video. My Milty stopped working(can you fix them?) These seem to go in and out of stock very fast. Got mine from Music Direct(they were great to work with BTW) Subscribing now! Thanks for all the work setting up these videos.
I'm not sure about repairing a Milty. I think once the crystal inside is done, there's not much to do. I'm certain you'll be much happier with the Destat and its ease of use.
It would be interesting to see the readings of a treated album after playing it, putting it back in its sleeve, then taking it out. Will the static just come back?
I have watched a few of these tests that you have done. Have you noticed that when you hold the LP your readings always start higher and decrease as you move towards your hand. I don’t think it impacts the conclusions but for me remains a curiosity.
It's just because my body is grounded so that side of the album reads lower. It doesn't affect the outcome, but I have an idea for a solution in mind. Hopefully, once I get through my current review workload I can revisit the idea.
If records lose their playing surface static when placed on the player, then one should just run a carbon fibre brush to remove dust and enjoy the flush feel of a clean unstaticy record, and cash in pocket. The zerostat is way more than good enough for me.
The static that bleeds off into the turntable causes problems of its own. It's always a good idea to treat a record for static before placing on the table.
After the static is removed by holding the record, it would be interesting to measure if any static is reintroduced by using an “anti-static” record brush. Gotta remove the surface dust before I drop the needle after all 😁
It's something I'm looking at :-)
Yes I would be interested in that also
Any brush adds static through friction. I have both this for 2 years and the Zerostat for decades. Every brush adds static electricity. This unit is better than the Zerostat, but not anywhere as good as the DS Audio.
i would want to know if the brush is more effective now that the record is de-static'ed.
@@TheGlotz69 or the CS Port IME1 which also has a Demagnetiser as well !
I truly admire the discipline and scientific method rigor (within practical limits) you employed in this video (and many others) as well as the well thought out camera shots and copious editing---you are an editing BEAST, good Sir!
Wow, thank you!
Very interesting results Chris! Particularly with the way the static dissipates to the bottom of the record when in contact with the platter mat. It would be interesting to see a test of different mat types someday (felt, rubber, leather, acrylic, ect.) To see if the manufacturer claims of some of those mats dissipating topside static better than others are true
I could probably look at some other mats. I'm pretty sure it'll all be relative, but it may be worth a test anyway.
Another variable is the humidity in your home; using a humidifier to obtain 40-50% humidity will also reduce static. Something we Canadians know all about from our cold dry winters!
I have a thin, expensive carbon fiber mat and it is as bad as having it directly on the acrylic 2" platter. There are better materials, but I would think leather being some of the best- it is thickest, densest and most resistant to friction. I will not buy a leather mat most likely, but I am rather looking at another $400 mat from Italy that was recommended by Fremer.
You are so well spoken and it’s awesome!
That's very kind to say.
I love my Destat III. It works incredibly well, and increases enjoyment of my record collection. Worth every penny, for me.
Same here.
Thank you so much for giving a more scientific evaluation rather than just spouting an unexplained opinion as many other youtubers do. 🙂
Halleluja, this video is the holy grail of record static treatment methods. Will link it henceforth.
I had heard of static migrating to the underside of the record before but this shows that something of the sort is actually happening. Looking forward to the 3 devices showdown!
Thanks much for the encouragement. I'm looking forward to the showdown myself, should be fun.
To me, static is an annoyance, but not a huge problem. Doubt if I would open my wallet for more than 100 bucks to solve my static issues. Great video. Thanks.
In the end, that's what really matters. What you think and what you're willing to pay. Thanks for watching.
Unless you're playing in cleanroom environments, static will attract more dust from the air and nearby surfaces. Less cleaning over the long term could amortize the $329 in saved time. As always, YMMV.
I'm just down the street from Music Direct myself. Always nice to save on shipping :) Thanks for the videos! I eagerly anticipate the HumminGuru review before just pulling the trigger on a Degritter. Cheers.
I backed the Humminguru after seeing my friends home made ultrasonic setup. Can’t wait. Even if it does half the job of my pals cheap-o setup, it will be worth the purchase.
I'm looking forward to testing the HumminGuru myself.
Any chance you could test this after doing a wet cleaning using something like a Record Doctor or pro-ject vc-s, and compare it after cleaning with a carbon fiber brush?
Congratulations on your tests, transparency and improvements.
Thank you very much.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Yeah Chris, watch for Jameson and his boys! Great vid as always and I like the Maiden shirt🤜🤛
I own a 2nd hand zerostat from the 80s that I bought at an estate sale for 10 bucks almost 15 years ago. Gets the job done just fine. But I guess if you’re willing to spend thousands on a setup, the cost of this is nothing. However for the rest of us in rust belt reality, we’ll be sticking to our $9 anti static brush. Great channel, I subscribed back when you first started. I send newbies to your channel when they stop into my shop. You’ve put together some great references, information and opinions.
Believe me when I say it was tough for me to drop 300 bucks on an anti-static tool. I just made it a priority and saved up for a bit. It's also why I try to find alternatives for people. I appreciate your support and sticking with the channel!
I’d love for you to use this to find out if the anti-static brushes used before playing a record add anything or not. You might even be able to figure out the best way to use those damn things. I’ve seen lots of different approaches and have occasionally felt I made it much worse after using it because the record picked up my mat! Only once in a while does that happen though, but still what gives?
I'm working out how best to test that, hopefully sooner than later.
Really love this channel and thank you for doing this, it really helps eliminates those “am I doing it right” questions you may have. I have been fighting static for ages, bought many “solutions” only to find im mostly just doing it wrong!
I have one request. As somebody who has a love affair with spreadsheets, I would love to see these numbers thrown in something that I could use to extrapolate the info further. While points on the record matter, I would rather see and average number per 4 readings, you could then easily work out percentage changes between different methods.
Thank you again for putting in the effort and creating some great content!
Unfortunately, I'm not a 'spreadsheet' kinda guy. Sorry.
Great video! Thank you. I bought my Destat III after seeing this video. I was curious what your thoughts are on using a carbon fiber brush like the Audio Quest Gold and where and how in the sequence you would use it. I have an Ultrasonic Cleaning Machine and I rarely have to use a carbon fiber brush. Today I pulled a record I had cleaned a week ago and just got around to playing today. It was stored in a MoFi inner sleeve but for some reason it had some dust on it. I usually use the carbon fiber brush with the record turning on the platter. Do you have a sense of what would produce less static: Use the Destat III with the record handheld and then hit it with the brush on the TT? It occurred to me this could add more static. Or brush it first with the carbon fiber brush on the TT and pull it off and hit it with the Destat III? this is an awkward work flow. A third choice is using the Audio Quest Gold carbon fiber brush with the record handheld. This is not the way this brush was designed to be used.
Thanks in advance for sharing any thoughts you might have on this topic.
I've found the best method for me to be to treat the record in hand and use the brush on the table thereafter. The brush isn't going to add any static and it wipes away easily because the static is now gone.
@@thevinylattack That is what I figured too, but the Destat III gets the charge so ridiculously low it was not inconceivable to me that the carbon fiber brush could actually add a small charge. Add the Destat III in to my playback chain of a UCM, a Tru-Sweep record sweeping arm and a Sweet Vinyl Sugar Cube click and pop remover and my vinyl listening is pretty much as noise free as digital. I never would have believed it. Thanks for your help in this quest.
@@jfm0830 i have been really digging into a bunch of research to upgrading my vinyl process...i still clean by hand using Disc Dr products, tho looking at a Project vc unit, new Mofi sleeves, etc..then using carbon brush b4 playing...but would you suggest looking at this first? I do notice the static still present after cleaning and playing that id like to get rid of. But budget considerate, would you suggest buy this 1st vs a cleaning machine?
@@Mike_Jones68 That could depend on several things. Do you mostly buy new or used records? Is your environment dry which would contribute more to static being a problem? I think a good carbon fiber brush is the first thing to get for any turntable. Then if you mostly buy new records you could possibly hold off on the record cleaner. Perhaps get something like a Spin Clean for now for $100 or so. If you buy mostly used records then you must re-evaluate your situation. Depending on the condition, they will benefit more from a good cleaning than using something like the Destat IMHO. I would also suggest using MoFi or similar non-static inner sleeves right away on any records you are going to play that need them. Paper inners can get paper shavings on the disc and taking the LPs in and out of regular sleeves can contribute to static charge. A wet cleaning contributes towards removing some or all of the static charge on the records. This is why I suggested MoFi inners on the sooner side, so your paper inner sleeves don't just put a static charge on the records when you clean them and put them away.
If you buy mostly used records the cleaning machine becomes more of a priority. Once again you could get a Spin Clean or something similar to hold you until you can afford more. I would still say CF brush, non-static inners, a record cleaner and then the Destat. Don't get me wrong it is a great product, but some of the other devices have you covered for some of the effects of static. I HATE ticks and pops of any kind which is why I still bought the Destat despite having an ultrasonic cleaning machine.
If you have a lot of records that need cleaning I would prioritize getting the Project VC on the sooner size. It will deal with a lot of static issues. The only case where I would move the Destat higher on the priority list is where you have a really dry dusty environment where you may need to hit the LP with the Destat followed by the carbon fiber brush for every play. My 2 cents. Good luck!
Another good and informative video ATTACK. I don’t know how many occasional record listening people would use this info but it’s awesome to know 👍👍👍👍👍. Plus love the Maiden shirt😁😁😁
Yeah, this one isn't for the average listener, that's for sure.
Great video! Thanks so much for explaining all of this, and doing the research! It really was fascinating!
I'm glad you liked it, Tim.
This thing is still $330 today. I can't help but wonder if you'd get similar results using the ZeroStat gun, and then take readings after placing the record onto the turntable. I watched your previous video using the ZeroStat but I don't think you ever took readings when actually placing the vinyl on the platter after using the ZeroStat on it like you did in this video. That in general seems to lower the static even more, so would be curious how effective the ZeroStat is in comparison to the DeStat III. Would also love to see tests where you pull too fast with the ZeroStat so it clicks, and then take a reading to see how bad that actually is. I have the ZeroStat and I am still unsure of the exact duration to squeeze and release the trigger, if I should be squeezing the trigger all the way down (can't seem to do that in 2-3 seconds without clicks), just aim at center or do the triangle pattern method, or if to point the gun away on the last trigger squeeze when releasing the trigger, as demonstrated in the previous video.
The Zerostat works very well, but can't compete with the Destat. Measuring the record on the table doesn't do any good as the static bleeds off into the table (which isn't good either) and returns when you pick it up.
@@thevinylattack wanna sell me yours? LOL
man i wish the price for these things would come down, crazy how expensive they are
@@Shivaxi I'm afraid I still use mine almost every day. Hence why I can justify the cost. They are indeed pricey, but they work so very well.
@@thevinylattack Yeah one of these days haha. For now though with the ZeroStat, what do you recommend when using it? The triangle method, or just aiming at the center and doing squeeze/release 4 times? And how far do you really need to squeeze the trigger? Mine doesn't seem to like going all the way down, less it clicks.
@@Shivaxi I have a whole video on that. I'd start there.
It's said that actually playing the record reintroduces static.
That said, I think that the most important thing is how static your record is while on the turntable and while being played. Don't really care that much about holding a record up and then seeing how static it is. For you showed that static is reintroduced then. It doesn't play in your hand, only on the table.
Very very thorough testing, hats off!
It goes directly from your hand to your table...
I bought mine way back when it went on sale, too. Was tired of the short lifespans of the Zerostats and started investigating. I have 3 dead Zerostats sitting including an original red one I hunted down. They lasted barely a year each at a $100 plus a pop. So the Destat III is a bargain when looked at over a period of time. It is still working very well. My TT is a SL1200 MK3 with an original made in Sweden Discwasher carbon fiber mat from the late 70's on top of the standard rubber mat. I use the DS III every time I drop the needle with the vinyl playing at the very beginning. Even if I do not take it off before replaying. Only during the driest time in the winter has the carbon fiber mat ever come up stuck to the bottom of the record when taking it off the TT. Maybe once every 20 times or so. The second or third time I used my DS III my cart actually popped and discharged its built up static from the beginning of its life. No noticeable negative effects on the TT or nearby electronics including my preamp / ADC and computer that I record with which is right next to the TT. Over a least two years or more of use. I do understand how the static is moved from one side to the other but with the carbon fiber mat for a dielectric in between the vinyl and the TT I have no idea where the static is transferred to. I just assumed that it was dissipated and gone.
I used it on other devices for the purpose of degaussing them. Finally, I took it to the drier to see what it would do to a dryer full of dress shirts freshly dried. Reaching into the drier there was the expected hair raising static cling of all the shirts sticking together. Got the DS III and gave the drier a blast and all the static on the shirts was gone and even wrinkles relaxed. This is one powerful puppy to do that.
Thanks for the informative video which reassures me that I have been on the right track with my due diligence in attacking static. If I have to buy a new one every three years, it is still worth it. I hope it lasts a very long time and expect it to.
While a bit pricey, I still say it's worth every penny. Your experience adds to that.
Wow! I learned so much!! I had just commented on your Milty Zerostat III test (thanks for your quick reply), but this series of tests with the Destat III actually made it all clear to me. Having said that, the Destat really needs to include marriage counseling papers, albeit I’m sure they would likely be biased toward winning the wife over. 😜 Thank you once again!
Glad it was helpful.
Great review. I'm fortunate that I bought both my Disc Washer and Zerostat in the late 70's/early 80's so I will be able to keep those funds in my pocket. One question - where are you placing the LP (off camera) between your measurements? Is that introducing any variability?
I set it on my little ikea table, but I've tested that both on and off camera and it doesn't have any effect on the numbers.
You should average those numbers. Also when destat vs zerostat video?
I'd say early next year.
Well done video, but I still don't understand why static on the underside of the record is anything to worry about. That's like saying that if you have scratches on the underside of the record, then they are going to affect the top side of the record. If the record shows static while you are holding it, then you put it on the turntable and the static on the top side goes way down, then you are good and may not have to de-static it. Who cares what the static level is on the underside, or what it is while you are holding it? It only matters what the static level is while and where the stylus is touching the record.
Because static can transfer from one side to another, unlike scratches.
Excellent testing, you always review things really well. One thing I would like to know though is what would happen if you played the record and tested it before just flipping it to side 2? Does playing the record induce more static? Meaning you would have to use the devise again before flaying the other side.
In my experience, one play of the record doesn't really introduce anything. I may put it in a video though.
Great video! From all my research I've read the Walker Audio Talisman is the best anti static tool for records which can also be used for speakers, cables etc. Would love to see a comparison with it. It is also in the same price range. Lastly it is a bit painful to see you grab some of those records with your fingers on the grooves lol
I can't imagine how a brush would perform better, but if the channel is ever in a spot that it can afford one of those I'll definitely test it.
They're dollar bin "junk" records, he's addressed this in other videos.
@@thevinylattack it's not a brush, it's a magnetic optimizer. I assume it works similar to destat. You also wave it around in circles above the record. I first saw it on the Ana(dia)log channel. It would be interesting to see how it works with the great tests you used in this video. ruclips.net/video/5_DKkllTwys/видео.html
@@dmagoon8291 I'll put it in the consideration column.
Hi Chris
Great Video! Can you tell us what you’re using to
Measure static?
Those of us who are worried about static when handling sensitive semiconductors we wear our wrist straps on our wrist not ankles. Closest to
Our work. I use the Desat II and it works like you demonstrate here. I also notice that your storing you albums in the paper sleeves they come in. Can I recommend moving to
Zero static sleeves treated sleeves
Hi, by google image search it must be a SIMCO FMX-002
Great video! I love fussing with my record collection and all of 'the work' associated with it. But I hated using the milty zerostat. Total pain in the ass and lack luster results. The Destat by comparison is a joy to use and works amazing.
I live in Central Canada and our winters are super dry. Static city. That plus my forced air furnace circulating dog hair all over the house and sticking to my records was especially demoralizing. Not a problem anymore. Now about that price.....
Yeah, it's a pricey bit of kit.
Thanks for another great video on this. I think when you test head-to-head, you can get the static down to near 0 with the lighter method by doing it 3 times over the record. i.e. I suspect you can get the same results as the destat iii if you spend a bit more time with that method.
I might actually do 4 as I know the Milty is effective at that number. I'm still working out what a fair fight would be.
@@thevinylattack while I've got your attention I want to say - AWESOME job at this channel so far, I don't know if you're experienced in broadcasting you seem like you might be a teacher or something, but you're doing a great job at being intelligble and interesting and even funny...you're making it look easy, though I know it isn't!
What I would *love* to see, is at least one test to see if the lighter (and/or the Mitty) will eventually get the static down to ~0..and how many times / how long it takes... I suspect the lighter will eventually get there, but it might take like 5 minutes, vs 30 seconds with your fancy destat iii ...
Just a wish / suggestion.
@@michaelbliss3337 I might try to test that off camera to see if it actually works first so I don't have to edit an hour long video with no payoff. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@thevinylattack solid plan thanks for taking it into account! I know it'll work, I happen to have an overgrown fern next to my turntable, it tells me when records have static and when they don't pretty well!
Great idea on the ground strap. I wonder if wrist that;'s holding the record versus ankle makes a different.
Great video, dude. Answered every question I had. Cant wait for the battle of the static killers!
Thanks, I was hoping to get as much answered as possible.
As a woodworker I'm very familiar with the elimination of static in my dust collection system and the way to do it is simply to ground the pipes. So to my mind if you're turntable is properly grounded and your platter mat is conductive then static should be basically gone down the ground and any static will be generated from removing the record. Just my logic and experience. Great video as always 👍
It does go down some pipe or another, the question is how bad is that for very sensitive electronics. I think it's better to not introduce any static at all if possible. Your dust collector is a bit more robust than my turntable ;-)
You are a goddamn scientist at this point.
I wouldn't go that far, I'm just trying to use sound logic. Thanks for the encouragement.
Thanks -- for £405 today I will keep using a simple anti-static cleaning cloth for £3 and brushes for not much more. You would be advised to release any static on your hands before handling the disc -- standard for any work with electronics or other static sensitive items. You can wear a wrist strap or just touch something metal that is earthed.
While I understand the trepidation about spending that kind of money on an accessory, it is by far the best thing out there. Wipes, brushes, straps, and anything else you can think of don't even come close. It's just a matter of how important static elimination (and budget) are to you.
How to apply properly. Scientifically explained just like Dr. Nehemiah Margalit at the Battery Technology Center where I used to work.
I wonder if a strong fluorescent Black light would show the dust like a dark room?
Thanks for demonstrating the entire test methodology and data. Even it's imperfect, it's an accurate representation of an average consumer's use case. I gave up on my Fluance branded carbon fiber brush after the bristles began breaking off, littering my records with dozens of tiny little fibers.
Wow!!! That’s pretty incredible!! I live in Chicago and my company isn’t very far from Music Direct plus I also used to live by it. Their warehouse is amazing!!!
I haven't been in person yet, but I'm planning on it sooner than later.
Great video!! Could you test the amount of static before and after you put the record into different sleeves (paper vs mofi)?
It's something I'm looking at, but trickier than you'd think to set up test parameters.
Wonder. What is happening (static-wise) between treatments, sitting record aside, writing, picking back up,, (without re-measuring,) and then, placing x-factor onto turntable to measure.
Maybe popping up screen graphics in post, would assist viewers, but, then, you'd not immediate data.
As I treat every record before every play, I'd simply recommend people do the same. It eliminates those variables you mentioned.
If its just an ionizer, could one of those cheap 5-bucks USB ionizers (plugged into a USB powerbank so you can hand-hold it) do the same thing? Love the channel btw, Subscribed!
It's certainly worth taking a look.
I tried one of those a while back. I didn't have a device to measure before/after, but I found it to have almost no effect when compared to the Milty. I think it just generates too low of a stream.
Where’s the ‘Battle Royale’ video?? Can’t find it…
Hi Chris, You are very well spoken. It seems this outlet is a good fit. I also like your approach of paying attention to detail.\
I use a Miltypro 3 my self and find it works well. The Destat 3 is interesting, but the claims are just too much of the same thing I see about every audio product around. I have never tried the Destat and I feel I correctly assume that it works well.
Yes, I agree with you about prices, it get's to be Ludacris fast. Anyway, for those of your audience with more modest means (myself included no doubt) I have a possible fourth contender for your upcoming battle royal: I also use a Thunderon brush for static elimination. I was skeptical, but those reasonably priced Thunderon type brushes actually work very well. I just hold the record and brush one stroke with the grooves one half and one stroke the other half on one side and 97% of the time the static is gone.
So you may want to consider a four way fight?
I'll certainly take a look at it. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@thevinylattack Of course, your welcome.
I was in the industry as a journalist myself from 2012 through 2017 (writing, I'm no good in front of a camera). I'm thinking about jumping back in perhaps in a few months, but with a slightly different approach concentrating more on advice now that I have a few notches on my belt. I also restore vinyl records as a hobby, (studied for two years academically for that and still learning something here and there. You never stop learning actually).
How about including wet cleaning in the eventual Battle of Static! There’s also that $1500 DS Audio device!
I can add some static readings to the eventual Degritter review I do. I don't know if I'm familiar with the DS audio device.
@Marten Dekker Email me the link if you like. It may be tricky to test only because of a lack of table space but I'll certainly look into it.
@Marten Dekker Other than in the description box and the about section? Here ya go ;-) thevinylattack@gmail.com
@Marten Dekker You have to click the little 'view email address' button on the about page, but it's all good. I got the email and appreciate the help.
Problem with these type of static eliminators is as soon as you start playing records, static will be re-introduced into the record from the friction of the stylus against the vinyl record. The only way to make sure there is no static build up at all while you listen to the music is to use a device that is continously on when playing vinyl. Two such leading products currently on the market today specifically for turntables is the DS Audio ION 001 Vinyl Ioniser and the CS Port IME1 Vinyl Static Eliminator !
Playing a record isn't going to bring in a bunch of static on a static-free record.
@@thevinylattack Would be good to measure after playing a record to see how much static is put back onto the vinyl ?
@@mspdec I've done that, just not on video.
I noticed that you set the record down somewhere before setting it on rubber mat on the table. How much was dissipated when you set it down to write down your numbers?
I suppose it would be crazy to create a dust free vacuum sealed environment with a strong glow light? Ya got me curious now. 🤔
Great job!!!
Thanks, I appreciate it.
CORK.
That's an awesomely beautiful mat dude!! I've always loved cork mats.
Lately I've been using a crosley c6 with a LP gear elliptical upgrade!
It has a rubber mat currently but it still rings line a dinner bell.
My Denon has my cork may with the grado prestige black.
But yeah CORK CORK CORK
You're at the wrong video bud. The raffle generator won't read your entry on this video.
@@thevinylattack My bad, I blame my TV I'm using for RUclips. Sorry.
@@dusterdriven No worries.
yeah bro, quickly becoming my favorite record channel. KEEP IT UP!!
I appreciate it. I'm doing what I can...
Fantastic review of a product I thought of buying many years ago but was put off by the price and lack of evidence or thorough reviews. I will now be purchasing the Destat and look forward to many more of your great and informative videos. You should try Record cleaning brushes and cleaners next. 😁😉
@@Roamany-Jones Their on my list, I'm just working out what kind of methods to use.
Same for me !
Can you please test ORB SN-03?
Still expensive; but $100 cheaper than Destat III.
I can add it to my list.
It looks like a tape demagnetizer. I wonder if that would make a difference in the static fields as well?
Thank's for the video! Would be nice to know the name/model of the device used to measure static 😀
Great video and great tests! I just don't know if that Destat is worth the nearly $400 price tag. Awesome results on well it works...look forward to the device showdown but I have a feeling this new device will win. Always enjoy the videos, Chris! I wonder if using different mats on the turntable will have an effect on static as well?
Different mats do indeed have an effect on static.
Fantastic video - I love how thorough you were with comparing methods and accounting for personal variables!
I would be curious how effective this device is on records still in their jackets/sleeves. While a regular listener would likely want to do it on each record when they pull it out, I could see several potential scenarios one might try and use a device like this in such a manner:
• Record stores may want to routinely "degauss" the shelves
• DJs who spin vinyl before a gig or session
• Lazy people (haha)
I'm sure it would still have some kind of effect, and it also comes to mind that since static can build up in the sleeves we store our records, perhaps this is a good way to mitigate sleeve static from occurring.
Keep up the great work, and I look forward to your next video!
I don't think it would be any benefit because the ionization wouldn't reach the record. I may give it a look all the same though, thanks for the feedback!
Love the Iron Maiden shirt bra
Have someone record the data for you. That way the record never leaves your hand until the test is completed. This would eliminate a possible source of error. I don't see myself spending $329 for the device. I really enjoy your videos. Waiting for the T-shirt with your logo on it to become available. Keep up the good work.
Unfortunately I'm a solo operation. However, I've tested (and shown in the lighter video) that placing the record on the table occasionally doesn't affect the numbers. Maybe one day I can get an assistant and run it again though.
Shirts are in the "testing" process too as I try different brands to see which make me happy enough to sell.
Hey, his fingers are all over that record. Is it because it's Tennessee Ernie Ford?
I just put dryer sheets in all my vinyl sleeves. It solved all my static problems 👍🏼
I'd be concerned about surface abrasions on my records.
Very interesting video. I came here from the Zerostat testing video as I was looking to maybe buy a Zerostat, and now you've got me questioning if I should shell out for this instead haha. The balance between budget and quality is always tricky here.
On an unrelated note, I've seen few of your videos around now and am finally subscribing. I admire how thoroughly you test vinyl gear. Thanks for all you do!
Welcome aboard!
Your no BS approach is much appreciated. 😂
I appreciate you saying so.
I just joined and haven't read all the comments. But, have you tried doing both sides at once? I was just wondering if that would make a difference.
My solution to static pops n crackles… dab the tip of your finger in distilled water, lightly, ever so lightly, rub on your every play dust brush, NOT WET!
Not scientific, but with or without an acrylic mat, PROBLEM SOLVED! Been doing it for years and have a well maintained collection… I’m 64… Play da music!
You assume, however, that other people will be as responsible as you concerning how much water is used ;-)
Thanks for the detailed analysis! I've just recently come across this issue. I ordered a vinyl on Discogs and I can sense the elektrostatic field around the record even with my hand. When being played back you can hear loud crackles. But before I buy this gadget I'll make a try with my wife's Braun Satin Hair 7 hairdryer. It uses IONTEC technology which theoreically does the same as Destat III and the hairdryer can be operated in cold mode, too. But first of all I need a measuring instrument.
I tried an ion-generating hair dryer (there's a video somewhere in my playlist) and, unfortunately, it did nothing.
chris, for the $ difference, a zstat that i already have, or even at the $100 mark is where i would go. i would forego the treatment before play and treat the record AFTER play to put the record in the jacket with the least charge.
...hifitommy
You should do what you like best. I, on the other hand, will do what I've found to work best amongst all the methods and tools available at my disposal.
First, I appreciate your diligence and over the years, (has it really been that long?) I feel like you have truly earned my trust.
The question :
When spinning the record, are you able to hear an improvement ?
Thanks again,
Bungeebill
Hood Rat Records
🎩 ✌️🐀💿
If you're asking if I hear a sonic improvement in playback after I treat the record for static with the Destast, the answer is yes. This will be dependent on the amount of static that was on the record in the first place, but I don't play a record these days without treating it with the Destat first.
(1) How about treating in the hand, first. (2) Then, a second time on the turntable? (3) Are there platter protectors (cork, rubber, acrylic) that will react better to reduce static. (4) The records are being 'whipped out' of paper sleeves. What is the result with static there? Is increased speed/friction an issue? (5) What about rice paper MOFI sleeves? Finally... (6) what about playing the record 'wet' to eliminate static?
If you treat a record in-hand, treating it on the table isn't necessary (and won't do anything anyway). Cork is the best choice for natural static reduction, but no mat will be nearly as efficient as an anti-static treatment. Paper sleeves are the devil. Mofi sleeves (and those like it) help keep static away but don't do anything to eliminate it. Playing a record wet is a terrible idea.
Love the video. You nailed it from a test rigor perspective. Baseline and repeatability are key.
I appreciate you saying so.
I really learned a lot from this video! Wondering if you know of static levels after washing/ultrasonic cleaning of records. Thanks!
A wet clean eliminates pretty much all static, but I should probably put it on video. Thanks for the suggestion!
Love your videos but please test static field around your beard...
Great review (The best) Here in Oz they're $550 RRP. I use this as part of my record cleaning and playback. Prior to your channel, I used to put up with the pops and clicks. Not anymore lol
Between the washing and this device playback on my system is near perfect. Only thing with your channel, is you cost me money haha but in a good way.
Everything is more expensive down there. I feel for you.
i see it works for me not worth the price for most of my collection 80% of record collectors cant afford it espcally 1 to 15 dollars albums most of us cant afford 500 or over record players
I completely understand that.
Yeah, counting all the way to 4 without losing track is a problem
1) You did not go head to head with the Zerostat.
2) 1 of the conclusions which became obvious to me is Jus Placing the record on the turntable Reduces Static
3) Although D Stat is very effective, it is WAY over priced.
4) I am far more interested in the name and cost of your static measuring device!
Taking the record off brings the static right back which is the problem.
I got lucky and got a destat 2 when it was discontinued for $180. My cleaning ritual is as follows, destat the album side on the ten second cycle, take a high quality latex paint brush with groove washer G2 solution on it run the turntable at 45 rpm, then take my GW disk cleaner to the album to dry it, and a final 10 second destat cycle. No pops or crackles at all.
You could eliminate the first destat step and save yourself a bit of time. The wet clean will remove the static.
Hey Chris, maybe when you can test after playing one side I seem to get the most static after playing side one that’s when I detect The most static. To explain I remove album from inner sleeve don’t really feel any static holding the record I treat side one (with zero stat) holding in my hand’ play side one. Then flipping over to side 2 I now feel a decent amount of static so I treat side 2 and then play. So my question is how much more static is generated after playing one side or does the album spinning on the platter generating static without dropping the stylist maybe some more questions for you to answer and an answer to one of your questions I think my zero stat does a pretty good job so I don’t think I would spend the $300 plus but if my zero stat were to break I’m not sure hopefully it does not have a great one🇺🇸👍
Yes the stylus is creating static on the record when playing, any 2 materials dragging across eachother does pretty much.
@@leon9021 I guess what I meant was how much more static after one side had been playedI will correct my question
@@johnmbell4642 It will depend on a few factors, what stylus you have, or rather what contact area it has. Also, what humidity levels are in the room, humidity prevents static build up, which is why some have humidifiers in their listening room.
It's hard to say without being there what's happening. It may just be that you don't feel the static before playback but it is indeed there. Depending on the mat you use, it could be introducing a lot of static when you lift the record off.
Still lovin your vids! A tip for a future video: a review of the Onzow Zero Dust? Yes it is very expensive for what it is.... But I'm lovin mine for about 10 years now, and it one of my absolute best turntable accessories ever. Horns up from the Netherlands!
Yeah, they are great!
It's on my list, but I need to get a good USB microscope first.
Why doesn't anybody show products like this working? Play a record & then treat the record & then play the results.
Because RUclips won't let us play music on our videos. Trust me, I'd like nothing more than to give an audio comparison to you all.
There are desktop versions of this device made by others that are in metal boxes without handles, and they can be bought for as little as $100. Now, holding a metal box with no handle above a record is dicey, but maybe modifying hacking one of those things woudl be a lower cost DIY route to the same result.
I'd like to see what you're talking about if you can share a link.
Would be curious to see how much static a record has after treatment and playing and then put back into a quality "anti-static rice paper" sleeve, then pulled out again. How much static is introduced? Could you get away without treating it EVERY time?
That will certainly vary depending on the environment (both geographically, and in your house) the equipment used, and the time of year, but it is indeed something I'm looking to test out in the future.
Admirably thorough. But at 320 to 400 USD it's a very hard sell. If I can pick up a used 1(or 2) on eBay for 100 to 125 I probably would.
It is admittedly expensive. It's all just a matter of what you're comfortable spending. With the extremely dry winter here in Michigan, I bit the bullet for the peerless performance.
Sorry if it is mentioned - what is the sensor that you use to measure the static?
You are wrong, there is a better alternative for those how are really serious about record static eliminating I guess, but it's also serious money to spend for those who wants the best, is it the best solution, if you could put this DS ionizer to the test and we will know.
By eliminating static these destat/ionizers also claim that it will enhance the sound quality something your not talking about for if it's true or not.
thank you very much for this video hopefully you can dive deeper in this matter which will highly appreciated by many vinyl listeners
The Destat is the best thing on the market for static elimination. Full stop.
Hey I just heard about the channel have you done tests with just a anti static brush. seems to work for me. Also how big a difference is the actual sound between the numbers. So do a reading, play. Then treatment, then play. I know it s subjective but is there a huge difference?
The before numbers have a substantial amount of pop and crack on a record.
Does using a record brush to clean the dirt off a record cause it to add static. If so is it best to clean the record first then use the static reducer tool. Could you show us how you clean your records a video showing this would be very useful thank you
I'll be taking a look at this shortly.
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What about testing moving the Destat anti-clockwise around the recored as opposed to clockwise? Surely that will make a huge difference!
How you can be so sure? If you bought the device, the anti-clockwise movement was like waving a magic wand in the potion pot. Or are you on some posh mushroom diet so you can tell the difference?
I think another test that should be done is while the turntable is spinning and the cartridge is touching the grooves what readings are being done while friction and air of spinning the plate can either neutralize or increase, I don't know, this just remind me when I was working in a manufacturing area secure on ESD, that we needed to test the ESD numbers while the circuit boards were traveling through the conveyors from one machine to the other, even the conveyors or equipment were properly grounded.
That's probably something I could test on my own if I remember the next time I'm playing a record, lol.
Bought one of these based on this video. My Milty stopped working(can you fix them?) These seem to go in and out of stock very fast. Got mine from Music Direct(they were great to work with BTW) Subscribing now! Thanks for all the work setting up these videos.
I'm not sure about repairing a Milty. I think once the crystal inside is done, there's not much to do. I'm certain you'll be much happier with the Destat and its ease of use.
I wonder if suspending it directly over and close to the spindle while the record was playing would have an even more salutary effect. Thanks!
It wouldn't have any effect at all. The record is already grounded to the table.
Ionize the whole room while your out shopping 4 more vynle?
Great! Until I pull the trigger for this device, I'm using electric lighter deal. Lol. I happened to get one of those for Xmas couple yrs back.
It works and its available to you, sounds like a win to me.
It would be interesting to see the readings of a treated album after playing it, putting it back in its sleeve, then taking it out. Will the static just come back?
Not nearly as strong as it was, in my experience, provided it's not a paper sleeve.
I have watched a few of these tests that you have done. Have you noticed that when you hold the LP your readings always start higher and decrease as you move towards your hand. I don’t think it impacts the conclusions but for me remains a curiosity.
It's just because my body is grounded so that side of the album reads lower. It doesn't affect the outcome, but I have an idea for a solution in mind. Hopefully, once I get through my current review workload I can revisit the idea.
If records lose their playing surface static when placed on the player, then one should just run a carbon fibre brush to remove dust and enjoy the flush feel of a clean unstaticy record, and cash in pocket. The zerostat is way more than good enough for me.
The static that bleeds off into the turntable causes problems of its own. It's always a good idea to treat a record for static before placing on the table.
He should not have been holding the record while taking measurements. His body was obviously impacting the static on the record.
It didn't effect the outcome in the least though.
One part of Destat III device is a "balanced ion flow generator", does it mean the static electricity is neutralized by the ozone flow?
My understanding is it's from the flow of positive and negative ions.
Nice, great topic, great video. Does the destat work on your beard? Just curious.
I don't know that anything would help with that mess.
If it eliminates cracklins just have couple other collectors chip in? Cause I could buy mucho vynle for 400 bones
Bless Jameson. I dont even need it i have adhd.
I don't know that I NEED it, but it sure comes in handy from time to time ;-)