Why? You pay for it.😅 Just idiots care about brutal power. All advances are directed to software. And nvidia makes software, not hardware.Currently the only purpose of your hardware is to support your software. If you go for 40 series is because you going to apply dlss3 😅. Not for nothing you can see places with 1000 devs investigating algorithms. Because we are currently running out of raw material for hardware. Courtesy that now even toilets have a microchip.
@Im_ActionZ you mean the same latency as with it off? You would have to be a massive snob to refuse to play at a higher framerate because the latency isn't as improved as non-DLSS frames. But then, I find people who feel that way generally are
well the difference between my gtx 1650 and rtx 4070 would be astronomical so maybe i'll go for 4070 Update: 2023/12/28 I got it. I finally got it. In short terms, RTX 4070 is a beast.
Well considering the 3070ti was one of the least power efficient gpus in the 30 series drawing almost as much as a 3080 but still being 20 percent slower. It shouldn't be shocking that the 4070 uses such little power in comparison
notice they don't say what resolution or settings or if dlss is enabled or frame generation. because I'll guarantee in sheer rasterization performance there isn't a massive difference just like every other 40 series card
@@Games_and_Tech how does it feel, im still need to think wether to buy rtx 3070 or 4060, i just want to know does this FG really helped the game performance + how input lag feel, because higher input lag, means youre playing at lower framerates.
@@sussy_61 the lower end of nvidia doesn't make any sense, my advice will be a radeon 7800xt, they have their frame generation technology, but just raw power its better than 4070 for 500
@@Games_and_Tech you have $300 to spend on a gpu? buy a $500 gpu! insane advice mate. 4060s are 280 here and for 40 more it's a much better deal than the 7600 cause upscaling is usable on the 4060 unlike the 7600. dlss and fsr are similar at high resolutions but at low resolutions dlss is a lot better
Just ordered a new desktop build with one of these, will be a nice upgrade from the previous two years of using a laptop with a 3060 in it (great laptop card though).
I don't understand where the idea that "frame generation is bad" comes from. From my experience, there's no noticeable difference in quality with or without frame generation. The visual quality remains consistent, and regarding input latency, I haven't noticed any increase when frame generation is enabled. It seems to perform just as well as when it's turned off. Therefore, I don't see the basis for the criticism against frame generation, as it appears to enhance the visual experience without any significant drawbacks.
Not all games (~30%) support FSR 3, so you won't see this difference in most games. The cool thing is that power consumption is much lower than its predecessors.
In other words: they got double the framerate by showing 1 fake frame between every real frame, with frame gen. That’s very sad because that means pure rasterized performance has stayed the same.. maybe even got worse
Unfair comparison aside, here’s a summary of the comments so you can save some time: - If you’re between these two gpu’s, go for the 4070 if the price gap is low enough in your region. - If you already have a 3070ti, don’t bother upgrading now - If you’re looking for a gaming laptop, DO NOT buy one with a 4070. Technology is not great enough for this generation of laptops and the 4070 is pretty handicapped. It performs similarly to a 4060ti or worse, and it usually costs almost double of an 3070ti laptop (that has more raw power)
In my region a laptop with 3070 (not even ti) cost as much as one with 4070, but the one with 4070 has a 13th gen i7 and not a 12th… its very confusing to buy right now. Honestly i cannot afford a 3070 or 4070, and same problem i have for the 3060/4060.. but i will probably buy an i7 13 with 4060 as i will not use for gaming only (so i do not care about bottleneck so much)
People who say negative things about frame generation have either 30 series or older model or AMD cards and they are butthurt. Gentlemen don't worry. Go to work and you will be able to afford it.
@@JoseAntonio-pb7nd yeah sure if you’re delusional, the new generation cards still outperform the old ones albeit not by much but it’s still better performance. You’re coping too hard bro.
@@mohammadaasim3861 not worth upgrade from 3070, especially if still using a dlss 3, But good upgrade from RTX 3060 (if the price can lowered to $500)
It takes an avg of 4.6 Watts for rtx 3070ti to produce a frame whereas it takes an avg of 1.8 Watts for rtx 4070 to produce the same frame. An efficiency gain of 250 %
Comments going crazy about frame gen , bruv in the video is literally playing story mode game , who cares about latency on those games? Competitive e sport games run 100fps+ even on ancient hardware so whats the big deal?
native 3070 ti vs 4070 with frame gen (fake interpolated frames)..... the actual Performance difference between a 3070 ti and 4070 is only like 7% lol, stop trying to deceive people into buying Ngreedia's scam 40 series....
I personally recommend you the new msi psu and 850. Yeah the gpu do not consumed to much. But actually those 200w are nice for a future updates and more important. If we continue like this we will need pcs submerged in water like the one from IBAI 😂. It's not a joke, every day I see more investment in cooling (some people use like 300 w just for cool SSD)
@@rio-dq9sc I already had a 1000w psu. Then upgraded to 5800x3d and a 4070ti. My system doesn't use more then 400w-450w. My cpu is undervolted and I have a ridiculous amount of corsair RGB.
@@80sBaby925 13900k, 4090, 3 ssds nvme, not much rgb(i hate the light in my eyes), 480mm liquid arctic ii, and 9 fangs. Yeah 750-814 w is normal to me. And 40 series is really amazing compared to 30. Is like 35% more efficient. and frame gen(if you have windows 11 working properly) is amazing. If next gen comes with the same energy dry but 15-20% more performance, will be amazing. IDK why people care so much for the brutal force(is quite stupid) all the new technology's are focused in software for saving resources(more with china controlling 70% of rare minerals in the world)
I believe that the gpu is limited throughout this entire process. I think that the frame generation limited the rtx 4070 ti. If it was overclocked then frame generation would be useless. But it shows how much shitty gpu has gotten and using ai instead of raw and horsepower
This is straight orchestrated FPS to jusify buying those junk 4060/4070 cards haha i am sticking with my rog strix 3070ti oc till the next rtx gen cards
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Frame generation should be turned off for better clarity of the product.
Why? You pay for it.😅
Just idiots care about brutal power. All advances are directed to software.
And nvidia makes software, not hardware.Currently the only purpose of your hardware is to support your software.
If you go for 40 series is because you going to apply dlss3 😅.
Not for nothing you can see places with 1000 devs investigating algorithms. Because we are currently running out of raw material for hardware. Courtesy that now even toilets have a microchip.
You're going to turn frame gen off?
@@kylerclarke2689yes. All it does is give you fake frames with huge latency
@Im_ActionZ you mean the same latency as with it off? You would have to be a massive snob to refuse to play at a higher framerate because the latency isn't as improved as non-DLSS frames. But then, I find people who feel that way generally are
@@kylerclarke2689 it's literally like playing with v Sync. It's unplayable
You're running frame gen it's dishonest. How about you run the 3070 with FSR3 frame gen too?
а как на счет того чтобы проверить "сухую" мощность без приколов типа DLSS и FSR
@@serrrrrryyтак 4070 это +- 3080,без генерации кадров разница будет максимум 25 фпс
@@БЗДУНЯРА228 я не понял что ты хотел сказать этим, и я тебе так скажу что 25 фпс это дохуище
How TF u even know 😂😂😂
@@БЗДУНЯРА228 speak english bro
well the difference between my gtx 1650 and rtx 4070 would be astronomical so maybe i'll go for 4070
Update: 2023/12/28 I got it. I finally got it.
In short terms, RTX 4070 is a beast.
I upgraded also from gtx 1650 and bro
This is what I’m gonna do I have Gtx 1650, should I upgrade to rtx 4070
@@InspectorClips yes
well the difference between my 1050ti should be even more
My 1650 ti only has 4vram at least better than my old laptop
The crazy part to me is how much less power this uses than previous cards.
Well considering the 3070ti was one of the least power efficient gpus in the 30 series drawing almost as much as a 3080 but still being 20 percent slower. It shouldn't be shocking that the 4070 uses such little power in comparison
@@Kurisu-SanYT True 🤷♂️
True.. quite the price diff tho but for sure worth it
My OC 4070 never needed more than 200W to play all my games at ultra settings, I love this card so much and I don't regret buying it
Hey compare it to the 20% cheaper rx7800...😊 it's clear why you compare your last Gen and not the others in the market
I upgraded from a 1660 to a 4070 and it’s so amazing to finally be able to run games at max settings with good performance
I did the exact same thing 2 months ago 😅
did u upgrade ur power supply
@@mettsfant4826 No. I already had a 1000w psu which is plenty for a 4070 combined with my specs.
I'm going from a GT 710 to a 3070... Let's see how it goes🥹
@@gabbbbbz This boi gonna feel that he has a NASA pc lol
notice they don't say what resolution or settings or if dlss is enabled or frame generation. because I'll guarantee in sheer rasterization performance there isn't a massive difference just like every other 40 series card
The 4070 is comparable to a 3080ti. There's no frame generation going on. Most likely DLSS however.
@@wingsoficarus11394070≤3080
Guys on the left side DLSS is off and on right side DLSS is on
it's the other way around. dlss is smoke
It actually dlss + frame generation
With DLSS 3.0 of course
Why else do you buy series 40?
I dare you to buy yourself a bacon burger and throw away the bacon.😅
@@rio-dq9sc i buy a series 40 for MSFS and frame generation,
@@fallenknight78 what card from the 40 series?
@@truphot1 ASUS ROG RTX 4070 Ti OC
@@fallenknight78 might buy that card too how much fps you get in msfs? 100+?
i don’t understand that comments that says “turn off FG, turn off this, turn off that”. Bro, you’re paying for that technology, don’t be stupid.
That technology also exists on every other gpu 😂😂😂😂 , it's unfair
i think turn off dlss is making a better quality image.
i think turn off fg is making a real framerate also nice reflex.
100 frames? Or the same 55 real frames plus 45 fake frames
you need to buy 40series then you can feel it yourself if the framerates are fake or not, sure there are some artifact cuz AI are dumb
@@sussy_61 I own a 4080. If you have enough 60+ fps, frame generation works fine, but if you struggle and you need it, close to 30 fps is awful
@@Games_and_Tech how does it feel, im still need to think wether to buy rtx 3070 or 4060, i just want to know does this FG really helped the game performance + how input lag feel, because higher input lag, means youre playing at lower framerates.
@@sussy_61 the lower end of nvidia doesn't make any sense, my advice will be a radeon 7800xt, they have their frame generation technology, but just raw power its better than 4070 for 500
@@Games_and_Tech you have $300 to spend on a gpu? buy a $500 gpu! insane advice mate. 4060s are 280 here and for 40 more it's a much better deal than the 7600 cause upscaling is usable on the 4060 unlike the 7600. dlss and fsr are similar at high resolutions but at low resolutions dlss is a lot better
Why is there more details and sharpness in the left ? Is it higher settings ?
4070 uses dlss 3 + frame gen that's why the image seems to be lower quality
@@Patrec987 so I'm guessing if the 4070 wasn't using dlss the 3070 ti would be better because they're trying to make the 4070 look good ???
@@oliverskinner8962 it would be basically the same or the 4070 would be marginally better without these technologies
@@oliverskinner8962nah just frame gen makes it look worse
My 3070ti never drops that low in this game lol
@telquin6974i thing he was running game in 4k regulations and without Dlss on rtx 3070, but he turned it up in rtx 4070
Yep
Can I edit videos in 4k with 3070ti ?
Yep@@baroodkhan3131
Just ordered a new desktop build with one of these, will be a nice upgrade from the previous two years of using a laptop with a 3060 in it (great laptop card though).
I honestly think that the 4000 series really focuses on dlss 3, on other games that dont have it makes it kind of bad.
I don't understand where the idea that "frame generation is bad" comes from. From my experience, there's no noticeable difference in quality with or without frame generation. The visual quality remains consistent, and regarding input latency, I haven't noticed any increase when frame generation is enabled. It seems to perform just as well as when it's turned off. Therefore, I don't see the basis for the criticism against frame generation, as it appears to enhance the visual experience without any significant drawbacks.
Desactivate the dlss and then we will see
Its frame gen lmao
Is this raw perf. No dlss shit?
With dlss enabled?
for anyone arguing frame gen and dlss is that not the biggest selling point of the 4000 series ?
Not all games (~30%) support FSR 3, so you won't see this difference in most games. The cool thing is that power consumption is much lower than its predecessors.
I didn't know the ryzen 4070 was so good.
Bro😂😂😂
Why not actually turn on dlss on 3070 ti as well 🙄
it is on quality
@@Monestfikswhich makes the fps worse
@@BBB-999 makes the fps better actually
Not only these cards cost real high but the electronic bills would make me pass out😂 (if I had them).
Pure raster performance vs frame generation. Then they market it as only available in 40xx series.
3070 ti native vs 4070 dlss 3 ?
Its not good for people from 30 series card but for people like me who upgraded from gt 710 its a huge difference, for me its a beast
Gtx710 ? Steam deck its beter for 710 💀💀
Я обновился с Gtx 650 на RTX 4070ti и это просто превосходно, игры летают на ультрах
Gtx 650 its run game 2024?!
А 4060ti как вам эта карта?
Rtx 40 series is crazy
8nm vs 5nm photolitogrphic manufacturing process.. can't wait their rtx 5070 with 3nm chip in there
The eukaryotes in each frame really does allow you to realize how powerful the 4070 is due to the epithelium it emits
3070 costs 230$ in my country with 2y warranty is it good deal
i build my pc with the ryzen 5 5600g i didint have a graphic card last week i bought a RTX 4060TI and i am happy.
Видюхи с каждым разом всё мощнее, а графика в играх улучшается минимально.Прогресс в железе даёт разрабам не оптимизировать игры
Ryzen 4070 is fire👍🏻
Next your father and grandfather
I have rtx 3070 ztrio gaming, cpu i7 12700k, mainboar z690 a wjfi, ram 8*8Gb buss 3600. Fps drop in PUBG steam... 😢😢😢
In other words: they got double the framerate by showing 1 fake frame between every real frame, with frame gen. That’s very sad because that means pure rasterized performance has stayed the same.. maybe even got worse
This is amazing, but I simply --- refuse to believe it :)
What resolution is this?
Unfair comparison aside, here’s a summary of the comments so you can save some time:
- If you’re between these two gpu’s, go for the 4070 if the price gap is low enough in your region.
- If you already have a 3070ti, don’t bother upgrading now
- If you’re looking for a gaming laptop, DO NOT buy one with a 4070. Technology is not great enough for this generation of laptops and the 4070 is pretty handicapped. It performs similarly to a 4060ti or worse, and it usually costs almost double of an 3070ti laptop (that has more raw power)
So which laptop should I get 3070 ti or 4070 ?
In my region a laptop with 3070 (not even ti) cost as much as one with 4070, but the one with 4070 has a 13th gen i7 and not a 12th… its very confusing to buy right now. Honestly i cannot afford a 3070 or 4070, and same problem i have for the 3060/4060.. but i will probably buy an i7 13 with 4060 as i will not use for gaming only (so i do not care about bottleneck so much)
Depends on the VRAM actually. For a laptop I wouldn't go higher than 4060.
I mean I have a 1660 so I’ll think I’ll be fine getting a 4070
What a scummy marketing tactic.
That’s Nshitia for you
Guys, don't care about fps in these 3rd person games. Avg 30 to 60fps are enough.
I've been playing 120fps 2k for the past 5 years using rtx 2070.
what? 30 fps? enough? wtf r u on
People who say negative things about frame generation have either 30 series or older model or AMD cards and they are butthurt. Gentlemen don't worry. Go to work and you will be able to afford it.
What should I buy sapphire 7800xt or gaming oc 4070...
That's with dlss and frame generation
This is all fake
Just to make you buy 4070😂
100% 40 series is ass and once my 3070 is done I'll be going amd
@@unclehowdy409they’re ass but they still outperform the older series, definitely not worth it for the prices though nvidia is such bullshit.
Exactly, those 4060/4070 are junk compared to the 3070ti oc cards haha
@@JoseAntonio-pb7nd yeah sure if you’re delusional, the new generation cards still outperform the old ones albeit not by much but it’s still better performance. You’re coping too hard bro.
@unclehowdy409 the prices are shit yes. The cards themselves aren't. They all shit on their last gen counterparts (excluding the 4060).
3070ti has been kicking ass for me lately.
I want to upgrade my system but im confused af 😢
Can i woth i5 12400f 16ram and 3070 8vram play cyberpunk?
yeah duh
Turn on lossless scaling frame gen, rtx 3070ti gets 120 fps 😂
Fake frame, i have RTX 3070 TI and i have 85, 90 FPS on game ...
Terlihat seperti tekstur batu dibawah juga lebih detil yg rtx 3070ti?
I can only see the power consumption as a positive here.
No man , this is not true , rtx 3070 is good fps ,
Bro my laptop is rtx3070 is it good?
Native vs dlls inputlag fps generation ... Really?
I have a 3050 Ti laptop should i upgrade to 4050?
Dont.
Just use GeForce Now at this point
I also recommend getting a 3070 pc for around 750$ or 100$ more if u wanna go for aesthetics
alright i guess i don't need the RTX 4070
Why??
@@mohammadaasim3861 not worth upgrade from 3070, especially if still using a dlss 3,
But good upgrade from RTX 3060 (if the price can lowered to $500)
@@Upala94I'm upgrading from the 3060 to 4070ti, i managed to sell my 3060 so the 4070ti comes to around 550 for me
@@LeftInTheEnd good for you, me also, but from 3060
Meanwhile me playing at 35- 48 fps at high settings 900p on my gtx 1650😁
It takes an avg of 4.6 Watts for rtx 3070ti to produce a frame
whereas it takes an avg of 1.8 Watts for rtx 4070 to produce the same frame.
An efficiency gain of 250 %
no in RTX 4070 he is using DLSS or Frame Generation while RTX 3070ti is performing raw
Please disable dssl and frs to see the raw pawer
Comments going crazy about frame gen , bruv in the video is literally playing story mode game , who cares about latency on those games? Competitive e sport games run 100fps+ even on ancient hardware so whats the big deal?
native 3070 ti vs 4070 with frame gen (fake interpolated frames).....
the actual Performance difference between a 3070 ti and 4070 is only like 7% lol, stop trying to deceive people into buying Ngreedia's scam 40 series....
I’ve made biggest upgrade level from GTX 1050 Ti to RTX 4070
Странно,у меня 3070 ti в 2к без dlss на ультрах 70+ фпс, с dlss 105+ фпс
I'm going from a RTX 950m to a RTX 4070 😂
I'm going from a GTX 960m 2GB laptop to the 4070. It'll be a nice upgrade.
se colocar o dlss3 da amd na 3070ti o jogo muda
Aí é só ligar o dlss 3 da 4070 tbm kkkkkkkk (só uma correction, não tem "dlss3" da AMD, é FSR)
Thanks to DLSS! Pls tell the whole story. Unfair comparison.
What will if u turn off dlss?
is dls 3.0 turn on?
I played this game with gtx 1650 4 ram 1650 is goat for me.
Recommended psu???
650w
I personally recommend you the new msi psu and 850. Yeah the gpu do not consumed to much.
But actually those 200w are nice for a future updates and more important. If we continue like this we will need pcs submerged in water like the one from IBAI 😂.
It's not a joke, every day I see more investment in cooling (some people use like 300 w just for cool SSD)
@@rio-dq9sc I already had a 1000w psu. Then upgraded to 5800x3d and a 4070ti. My system doesn't use more then 400w-450w. My cpu is undervolted and I have a ridiculous amount of corsair RGB.
@@80sBaby925 13900k, 4090, 3 ssds nvme, not much rgb(i hate the light in my eyes), 480mm liquid arctic ii, and 9 fangs.
Yeah 750-814 w is normal to me. And 40 series is really amazing compared to 30. Is like 35% more efficient. and frame gen(if you have windows 11 working properly) is amazing. If next gen comes with the same energy dry but 15-20% more performance, will be amazing.
IDK why people care so much for the brutal force(is quite stupid) all the new technology's are focused in software for saving resources(more with china controlling 70% of rare minerals in the world)
Im I the only Human being that can’t notice the frame difference?
Cause your screen is on 60hz?
Yea you won’t be able to see a difference without actually running the tests
lol its because even if your monitor is > 60hz, RUclips videos max out at 60hz (I believe)
3060 12gb or 4060 8gb?
Rtx 3060 12gb better less graphical limitation with that 12gb vram
Rtx 4060 is just the same but worst
Do it against the same priced 7800xt thats 23% faster and did not skimp on ram to save a few $
Okay, but can it run doom??!
Can i get 1 for testing only 😅
Frame gen make it better SAW RAW PERFORMANCE
dlss3 on?
Yes
Dlls 3 solo
The difference between my laptop 1050ti and rtx 4060 will be galaxy level, so I upgraded 💪
Incredible
Mod FSR3🔥🔥🔥
1650 to 3080, should be similar to 4070.
its like less than 26% performance gl noticing that in gaming, and the price to performance is a soli
d NO.😂
And now a comparison without dlss 3 because this is comparing the game with diffrent settings which is unfair
What’s the lowest psu you can run a 4070 on realistically 🫤
I believe that the gpu is limited throughout this entire process.
I think that the frame generation limited the rtx 4070 ti. If it was overclocked then frame generation would be useless. But it shows how much shitty gpu has gotten and using ai instead of raw and horsepower
This is straight orchestrated FPS to jusify buying those junk 4060/4070 cards haha i am sticking with my rog strix 3070ti oc till the next rtx gen cards
whoever denied this framegen, was poor and never try it at the first place, AMDip Fans denied about everything that Nvidia has
But 3070ti and 4070ti is nivida's card not AMD.
The rx6900 is what im lookinh at
What if we turn off DLSS 3.0 :)
wow low watt and more performance
3070Ti (60fps)
4070 (100fps)
😍
3070 (50fps)
4060Ti (45fps)
💀
Alot of 3070 fanbois having a cry in comments LOL
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So with artificial doubling of framerate it gets almost double the framerate... that's kind of pathetic...
For Low Budget The 3070 Ti Is The Best
Upgrading from a 6800m😄