Forget LG G3 & Samsung S95C… This OLED TV Measures 𝗕𝗥𝗜𝗚𝗛𝗧𝗘𝗦𝗧 with Less Afterglow (Panasonic MZ2000)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- We review the Panasonic MZ2000 OLED TV whose MLA panel & bespoke multi-layer heatsink allowed the television to measure brighter than the LG G3 & the Samsung S95C up to 25% window size at D65 white point, while exhibiting less image retention.
Our review sample is the 65-inch Panasonic TX-65MZ2000B (the UK 3-pin-plug version), but our findings should also apply to the smaller TX-55MZ2000B. The larger 77-inch Panasonic MZ2000 is not equipped with an MLA (Micro Lens Array) OLED panel, and so won't be as bright.
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Vincent kicking ass as usual. This video is seriously adrenaline for TV enthusiasts 😀
It’s amazing that manufacturers look at the competition and analyze all their shortcoming and listen to educated reviewers like yourself to improve their TVs!
They dont. 😂
no evidence that Panasonic watches this channel.. sorry
@@winstonwolff Of course they do. There are even laws against company espionage and employee pouching. It is even normal for companies to also pay for feedback. And all those 'tell us why?' or 'tell us what you think' questions after nearly every transaction a customer has with a company.
And all companies keep an eye on the competition. You really think Samsung has absolutely no idea what Sony is doing? Or that Intel is oblivious of AMD?
You can even find interviews and documentaries showing companies buying competing products and trying to reverse engineer it and study it. That's basically the entire meme behind China's 'R&D'.
Big reviewers also get first hands on and their feedback is taken into consideration. Some reviewers and companies themselves will even tell you that they listened to initial feedback before the final launch. Some products change, some even get cancelled all together due to negative feedback.
@@winstonwolff There's a link to this guys G3 review on the LG UK website....
Panasonic's color accuracy and tone mapping has always been good. Big fan of their bluray players
yeah but this time its actually lacking color performance in HDR and cant keep up with the reference monitor and QD oleds in bright colorful scenes.
Sony quite good too
And they made by far the best plasma tv's ever. Such a shame that plasma's are not being made anymore ... would have been sooo nice to have a big 4K panasonic plasma.
@@KainniaK ...... that was Pioneer😉
No thats not correct. The best plasma was made by Pioneer = "KRP 500"@@KainniaK
It seems really good but not the total slam dunk I was hoping for. Wonder what Panasonic could do with a QD-OLED screen and a newer chip?
Exactly! Not to mention, that there isn't even a 77" MLA model. If they do make a QD-Oled with the new Pentonic chip, I'll bite the bullet and shed out the cash for a 77"...
0:19 Oled X was already leaked here 😂😅
I had a Panasonic last 10 yrs. Then I gave it to a friend and it lasted another 9 then he gave it to someone.That has been 5 years ago. Legend has it, the TV is still going strong. Those old CRT Japanese tv's were reliable.
I bought my 1st top of the line LG LED in 2010. It lasted for 9 yrs, gave it to my same friend. He still has it and it looks great.
Your friend must be very poor😂
I had too a Panasonic CRT that lasted more than 10 years and gave it away.
Then bought an LG LED that now has 10 years and should think what to do with it because I want to buy a new one. 😄
Now I'm spoiled, considering OLED, but not sure.
My First Panasonic plasma is now 16 years old and on its 3rd user (still working). My second Panasonic plasma is now 10 years old and is still in use at my sisters house. I now have a LZ200 just over 1 year old and loving it so far.
Next gen OLEDs should just say fck it and go with liquid cooling with thicc quiet fans.
I was tossing up between an LG or a Panasonic last year and went for the Panasonic because of its colour accuracy out of the box, its less aggressive dimming, and its brightness and I haven't regretted it yet. With the brightness set at the default (less than 50 per cent), it's plenty bright enough to watch in the daytime without the curtains drawn.
Why did you go with Panasonic for higher brightness of you don't even use it
@@mateuszptaszynski5377 Because I didn't know I wouldn't need the full brightness when I was deciding what to buy. People had told me that they couldn't watch their OLEDs during the day with their curtains open, so when I saw reviews saying the Panasonic was brighter than other TVs, that was a plus for it. As well, I understood that brighter was better for HDR. It was only when I bought the TV and set it up that I found just how bright it is.
@@mateuszptaszynski5377The commenter said "bright enough," not brighter. The commenter also picked Panasonic for out of the box color accuracy and less aggressive auto dimming algorithm. What's hard to understand in that?
@@mateuszptaszynski5377they meant that the tv has low glare in direct sunlight even with default brightness. turning up the tv default brightness changes the colors and how the image looks overall, so having a bright screen by default is important the eliminate glare, which is what they were referring to. There’s prolly more that goes into it I’m not too educated on tv’s tho lmao
Hey Vince a lot of us do use BFI so it might not be good to say that you suspect people won't use it. That incentivizes the panel manufacturers to cut the feature out entirely, which would suck.
What we need is for them to stop cheaping out and enabling BFI at both 60 and 120 hz
Sadly no MLA for the 77 inch One
I predicted this in January 2023:
"Best TVs in 2023:
#1) Panasonic MZ2000
#2) Sony A95L
#3) LG G3
#4) Samsung S95C
"
I missed Panasonic from the early HDTV days when they were boasting Plasma TV
We need Panasonic back in the USA
Is it a problem that the LG G3 in the 83inch model does not include the MLA technology ? I am debating about both the Sony A80L vs LG G3 in the 83 inch models. Thank you!
Panasonic is the King and in Germany you pay 3900 Euro for 77 Inch
LG OLED not accurate colour bad motion and upscaling Samsung nó heatsink or Dolby Vision Panasonic not available everywhere Sony Bravia A95L QD OLED best motion and upscaling but expensive
I would buy one if i could. They are not in the usa, at least not where i am.
I will prefer better image quality anyday over image retention 💥👍
LG G3 offers the best quality of all MLA OLEDs
@@Datenschutz_Datenschutz😂😂😂
Are they more pleasant than watching a full length movie on a great Plasma yet?
When will 120bfi have a return?
this is not yet available in the us
Do you think lg will get rid of the white subpixel?
isotek aquarius v5--and filter
Why would they make a top TV that has issue's with any of that.
Don't get why they just use HDMI 2.1 for all the ports with same features. Isn't it backwards compatible.
Whatever really. Going to get a new TV anyways eventually.
Bright only in white, colour volume doesn't increase.
Which movie is the one in which the ship is sailing towards the sun ?
Where.can you buy it
How do I get that in the US!
well guess im selling my lz1500 less then a year after i got it lol honestly been the best tv i ever had
Seriously, the LZ1500 is a great TV - I have an 65” LZ2000 and I have no intention of selling it, even if this years model is an improvement…..let’s be honest whatever you buy, next years model is always going to be a bit of an improvement.
you are burning money...
10,000 NITS or Bust. #ImBlinded
My Panasonic OLED failed in less than 2 years and their support is terrible. Would never buy again.
Oh I hate Panasonic, they make great TVs and were I live I can buy almost everything they make except the TVs. Come on Panasonic is time to bring those back to the American continent.
Panasonic isnt even sold in U.S.
What is Oled X?
The Panasonic MZ 2000, the very TV being reviewed ;-)
I can't wait 'till Vincent does his 2023 TV of the year "shootout". IMHO LG G3 will win. Because they listen most to customer feedback. Sony's gotta get off it's high horse.
Worth getting 77” without MLA?
If watching mostly SDR yes, size trumps all. I rarely watch HDR
@@Cmdaddy88 i got the 77” and I am pleased :)
First? Love this channel
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Japan made Panasonic is great..but Malasian Panasonic not so...
No MLA panel in the 77 inch size is a huge disappointment along with the ancient Mediatek chip.
always next year :) - really if they get those things next year - will be a great TV - extra BT2020 - would you notice it missing ? - it not side by side. 77" is new normal for those paying extra - Panasonic will be working hard already on the 1000 chip - so all minor nickpicks should be gone - except 4 full inputs ( now much easier to work around anyway ) -Not sure if Panasonic will do a 83" model ever - so QD-OLEd 83 and MLA 83" will be tempting - but yeah if you are spending for 77" you now want MLA- things like graduation and dark handling - most people won't really care - as in so few examples - mainly anime fans with some content - Bit starved dark scenes - poorly mastered The Martian - 10 bit should never show graduation - that's a F load of colours
It’s a shame they don’t offer Panasonic in North America anymore
In Usa ppl just want a big screen with lowest price. I was into a best buy shop and was full of Vizio and TCL TV.
Wow, I wanted the LG G3, still researching now, Tk U
The lg g3 is awesome.
Looks like a fantastic set. I wish Panasonic OLEDs were easier to buy here in the USA.
Easier...? It's my understanding that you can't buy a regular (non-gimped) Panasonic OLED in the US period...?
@@gb3496 There are ways to import with full warranty but it's still a huge hassle compared to walking into Best Buy and picking one up with the 5 year plan.
Panasonic doesn’t sell in the us at all they exited the us after plasma died.
go with LG G3 - as the review reported, it's the better TV.
@@98ws6m6cvertI use to game on a Panasonic plasma tv, then switched to OLED
LG G3 overall best TV 2023 🏅🏆
Sure😂
NOPE. A95L will crush it when it comes out this month!!!!!!!!!
Too expensive imo I think I'll wait for black friday to snatch the LG G3 instead which is £400 cheaper at the moment
really wish panasonic hadn’t pulled out of the US used to always buy their TVs
G3 the best
Did we ever get a real reason why all of these manufacturers had to remove the good 120Hz BFI? Seems like a missed opportunity to offer it consider how good it is with OLED! I get that it wouldn't be that popular but it feels cheap removing features we used to have!
Panasonic make excellent TVs. I have a feeling that if they released their TVs in more major markets that they'd give LG and Samsung a real run for their money in terms of being a top brand contender. Even Panasonic's LED TVs are excellent. They're also the only brand that fully supports all the HDR formats. If this TV had four full HDMI 2.1 ports I think this would pretty much be the perfect TV to have.
Top tier premium tvs should be available and sold everywhere. It is a shame we can't get Panasonic OLEDS in the USA. 😂😂😂
This is a level of expertise that exceeds * all others; it's a please to view. Thank you.
Vincent is the best Panasonic sales man ever! Heck, he got me to buy one lol
I hope you get some commission :D
Could you investigate the s95c hdmi handshake/dropout issue? Lots of users have it.
hello, I have a S95C I also had problems with the hdmi (the hdmi signal dropped when playing games with black screens) I asked samsung for an explanation and they sent me a new one, telling me that the other was defective.
@@lucamst177 they sent you a new tv or a new one connect box? Does the new one still have the same problem?
4K 144hz no problem for me
@@NexGenTek which hdmi cable are you using?
@@vmd1293 they replaced my tv completely. the new one has no problem.
samsung support the best. the problem was with the xbox series x, any game, any hz 120 or 60: elden ring, cod, diablo 4, hogwarts legacy, dbz kakarot. amazing tv for gaming. my "old" G2 had to give up.
It would be nice to have a state of the art television without the risk of burn-in and image retention. They might as well be making plasmas with heatsinks, at least we'd have smooth picture quality.
Do you think the new elevated brightness of the LG G3 and others could come to LG C4s next year ?
Prob not since they’re not going to put MLA in the C series
@@walidhannaoui1802 eventually they will, but never heatsink
@@walidhannaoui1802 At some point it will become more cost effective to just use MLA for all their panels. I doubt it adds much to the cost of the manufacturing of the TV.
Panasonic would be my first choice if they still sold their TVs in Australia.
My Panasonic Plasma TV has lasted over 15 years!
I recently ordered a G3 77” from JB Hi-Fi.
I’m also a salesman there and most older customers I talk too are upgrading from a Panasonic Plasma television which has convinced me that at one point almost every Australia has owned or used a Panasonic TV.
I used to have a Panasonic CRT TV b4 plasma TVs. Popular brand back in the day
i like your LG G3 ;)
I just picked up a VT60 on marketplace to relive some Wii games like the old plasma days 😅 Very sad when Panasonic left Aussie!
When will they drop that ancient mediatek chipset(5 series). It needs to be dead ! Amazing panels, amazing TV's butchered by a fingertip size chip. Aren't there any good alternative chipsets ? From Qualcom or other brands ? Or even from Mediatek... one which is a high caliber (pentonic I believe) ?
unfortunately they can't simply swap the chipset. The extreme accuracy with colors and near black handling is tied to the own software developed on that specific chipset. So the panasonic engineers need to find out to implement all of this on the new pentatonic chipset. You have to also consider the new mla panel. 2 new technology came out at the same time. Because of the short time and they prioritize quality and accuracy they choose the old chipset where most of the work is already done. They have to tune it to the new panel. Next year 2024 sure they'll use pentatonic I guess
So image retention is all about heat? Why don't they use vapor chamber cooling - who cares if thhe TV is an inch thick?
It always bugged me, if heat is the problem with OLED panels, why not include bigger heatsinks on the back of the panel, maybe even include active cooling. At least one player was smart enough to figure this out :)
because mainstream casual customers are looking for "pretty" slim TVs. It's their fault, obviously.
@@Datenschutz_Datenschutz
Companies should at least have 1 bulky model meant for enthusiasts, instead of pretty formfactor.
I had that idea too. Imagine water cooled OLED at 2000nits 😂
It was a few months ago, but when I contacted VE about stocking Panny displays this year they said the chances were very slim.
No 77’ or bigger = worthless to me
Good to hear brightness is improving for OLEDs across the board. It’s always been my complaint about the OLED darks being too dark. I just bought a new Samsung OLED and it’s brightness is very accurate (with a little adjustment to the gamma and black level settings).
My S95B has significant crush on it compared to my 80J.
Blacks are just too black. I mean on my 80J you can see strands of black hair, beard, etc. but on my S95B it’s just straight black. No detail.
@@chasecrappel9480 hmm, yeah I noodled around with my settings a bit to reduce the crunch of the high contrast. Out of the box it seemed a bit excessive, I was able to dial it into a comfortable setting though.
@@chasecrappel9480 shadow detail you need to adjust it
@@MrVisde Which Model do you have?
Hope there will be 83 and 97" MLA panels in the future and hopefully Sony and Panasonic will also make tv's in those sizes.
Well I hope Panasonic will make a QD-Oled model. That would be a match made in heaven!
Gradation handling is a BIG deal, as it's visible so often! The fact the Panasonic struggles with this puts it behind Sonys and Samsung flagship qdoleds for me.
Each person will have to decide what's important - Does make you wonder if The Martian wasn't mastered well - in true 10 bit films should look great graduation or not graduation - anyway I want a 77" MLA or 83" QD-OLED - so hopefully next year a not issue - happy to forgo a G3 this year (LG may do a G4 83" to boot ) - all the flagships do a good package - Let's hope Panasonic's 2024 77" MLA with the 1000 chip makes a great package -less BT2020 - I will update receiver same time - so PS5 direct - all else via receiver - Receivers now mastered the handshaking - full bandwidth - so next years models should be silky smooth - so next year hope full package minus BT2020 ( but colours will still be amazing - only limited sources exploit it - plus you won't know it's missing - unlike your graduation ) - I buy for 10 years plus - so great processing , built quality , the heat sink counts for me - Maybe Sonys 83" 2024 QD-OLED will get a discount to make it viable ( Samsung has to be pushing for a 83" model ) - In my country Panasonic discounts after awhile - though Sony will have very short sale sometimes on limited flagships released in NZ - but will need to be quick as limited 83" stock
@fullhd5277 That Pholed Blue will be real good for QD-OLED as base colour- so can ramp Nits higher -also good for WOLED - as will need less white to boost for extreme bright blue colours - also allow a better true RGB as well at larger size - I'm hoping next year as well - may well be 2025- Will expand BT2020 as well I imagine - shame Sony is so expensive
I wonder if Pana will ever adopt Samsung panels at some point. I think they can make even more impressive displays using the QD-OLED panels.
Of Course they will adopt QD-OLED Panel at some point - when the major issues are fixed, adressed to Samsung Display - but who knows what LG Display is planning for the next view years ;)
Panasonic need to buy panel from Samsung display and produce an Panasonic NZ2000 2024 QD-OLED next year.
Man... I thought I was being careful with my Alienware QD-OLED, but after just 5 months I already see burn in with my chrome bookmarks. Word of warning people! If you have the Chrome bookmarks bar always out it will burn in your QD-OLED! Can't believe I didn't think about that... I think the max time I left Chrome open was 45 mins too.
That's interesting. My LG TV's I've used as monitors for years have not shown burn in. Maybe QD Oled is more prone to burn in.
This is why I'll never go OLED. No thanks, I'm not making a zillion different compromises just to avoid burn in when technology exists that doesn't suffer from this (LCD.)
Burn in is all about accumulation over time, not singular instances.
An image left on an OLED screen for 5 minutes every day for a month will cause more pixel deterioration than an image left on an OLED display for 2 hours at one time. Of course, there are more factors that go into the equation, like heat... But the gist of it is that burn in accumulates over time.
You may already know this, but given your last sentence I figured there's a chance you don't. Definitely important to know.
Also, sorry about your display. That sucks! OLED simply is not good for displays that will have static images. My last 3 phones have had burn in from the status bar/keyboard. Great for movies and varied gaming though!
@@darkl3ad3rburn in on the tv side doesn’t happen like that why settle for inferior technology
hmm where are the QD OLED fanboys?? Of course you will be effected in Burn-In. It's proved.
Meh, looks dimmer in real world content to me. Brightest on a test pattern doesn't really matter. I'll take a QD Oled any day. Just the screen uniformity alone is enough reason.
That’s real
Still impressed with my LZ1500 everytime I turn it on😃
I have I think it's the 3rd generation 4K LG OLED and I never thought it was too dark (in my room). Sometimes the blacks get crunched, but that's about it and also no burn in.
It's disappointing that the left edge pink tint is still a problem, although this seems to be a manufacturing flaw from LG Display as LG owners seem to mention it a lot too.
I got my 65“ LZ1500 panel replaced because of it and it took about 2 months for them to get one that didn't have the tint. 9:10
there is info from Panasonic how much nits the 77 mz2000 has without mla panel
Hey it's Skyri-
Wait, fooled by Spears & Munsil again...
Still love my 77LZ2000 ❤
In recent years I owned a GZ2000, a HZ2000 and now a LZ2000. All bought thanks to Vincent’s excellent reviews. In my opinion the HZ2000 was the best.
With the LZ2000 I have massive problems with screen uniformity, resulting in “green” areas in the screen, especially onbeheerd left side. My retailer tried to find a flawless piece but this was not successful. Now the are going to replace it by the MZ2000.
In the test Vincent mentioned the screen uniformity issue again…. Tinting …So my trust in Panasonic is not without doubts any more. IMO they were ahead with the GZ2000 but now aren’t top notch any more. A pity…
Somebody knows the code giving access to the service menu??
Would like to be able to switching the dimming of the screen in the service menu
How is the gradation handling on these sets?
How is the Dolby Atmos latency in gaming?
Are you able to do the Dolby Atmos audio latency test in "Hi-fi rush's" Latency check?
@@BassPunk hello, I don’t use the TV for gaming so I’m sorry not answering your questions about that. Regarding smooth gradation I don’t see any issues maybe because I don’t have a direct comparison with the other brands
Agreed, as an ZH1500 owner the HZ2000 was the last great OLED from Panasonic, its near black handling is superior to LZ and MZ2000
I have a calibrated HZ1000 and its superb. I mean, i don't know how much picture quality improve with more brightness but in terms of color reproduction I doubt I would need an upgrade
I can't say I've ever noticed image retention once on the s95b. On my old lg e7 on the other hand...
You can get the Panasonic too. All you have to do is pay twice the price of the others and live outside of the U.S. 🤫🤣
It was an interesting and educational video, thank you for your efforts😉🙏
Panasonic please come back to the United States !
Come on Panasonic! Bring us some greatness again! Keep going! Keep improving!
@HDTVTest is there any movement to getting LG or Panasonic to fix the Dolby Vision Gaming over brightening on their OLED’s? SDR brightness while gaming is lower than normal as well. Curious, as you may have better communication with their engineers than us regular consumers.
Panasonic flagship TVs are more expensive than any other TV and absolutely should not have worse colorbanding and near black handling etc. Sony A95L seems to be far more promising so far. Can't wait for the review.
I have last years 55LZ2000 calibrated by Crampton & Moore. Absolutely love it. 4k blu rays through the Panasonic DP-UB9000 look amazing, especially Top Gun Maverick and Dune
I still have a working Panasonic Plasma TV. Wish they would sell there TVs in the US!
Wish we had Sony HX310's technology for 1000€...
Why don't they sell these Panasonic TVs more? It's weird that it's so friggin' hard to buy a Panasonic TV.
Vincent are you able to explain why WOLED and QD-OLED TV's and monitors have such aggressive ABL with under 200 nits 100% white window when stuff like OLED laptops/phones/tablets can easily hold over 300nits at 100% white.
Are LG Display and Samsung just playing it too safe wanting 5+ years out of TV's and monitors VS more disposable devices such as laptops and phones?
Would increasing 100% to say 300 nits really increase the burn in risk or just more temporary retention?
Aggressive ABL is really holding alot of people back from buying OLEDs for pc use as they can handle slightly blurry text but Microsoft Word hitting 130 nits is too jarring.
A good video idea to discuss perhaps 💡
Great review, thanks
LOL huge disappointment, the only advantage is of the Panasonic is a better heatsink. All the other comparisons it just falls short.
Panasonic can't compete with LG Samsung Sony
Not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion, at the end of the day it’s what you see on the screen that counts, and specs never tell the whole story. Last year I auditioned all the flagship TVs. My final two were the Panasonic LZ2000 and the Sony A95K - according the spec sheets the Sony should have trounced the Panasonic, but I can tell you that was not the case…and I spent just under 1 hour watching them side by side in a audition room.
There was very little between the two sets, sometimes the Sony looked better and sometimes the Panasonic looked better…..in the end I bought the Panasonic. Considering the Sony at the time was about £600 more expensive, it just wasn’t worth the extra. The truth is all the flagship TVs are very good, I auditioned all of them…in the end it comes down to preference. What I will say is that the Panasonic surprised even me….people don’t talk about them much, but it’s not until you sit down and spend some time actually viewing one of their TVs that you realise just how good they are.
Cant go wrong with either Samsung needs 48 gb/s hdmi 2.1 and dolby vision though
A95L it is.
Panasonic NEEDS a new chipset, I imagine 2024 NZ2000 to finally shift to Pentonic 700/1000 which will see a large uplift in image processing, no more dodgy color banding and near black gradation
I dont expect Pansonic to switch to QD-OLED, far cheaper to continue tinkering with what they know
I’m buying a C2 and hope to tune it right following your videos about C1 and CX for XSX. It’s not the same model but I guess it might be fairly close.
Check this channel settings for most accuracy
But also check out Quantum TV . He has settings that milk the most out of every set. Especially awsome for gaming
I gave my C1 to my brother after seeing how amazing the S95b was. And it is. Night and day.
Then I used some of Quantums settings and methods on his C1 , and had it looking damn near like the stock S95b
.. crazy difference
When you wake up, you want your tv to be like the sun. Blinding brightness to wake you up.
another video on A95L vs MZ2000 ?
15:32 I just realized the reference monitor's screen didn't reflect any light...
think ill stick with my 77 inch s90c for £2085 tbh
Just don't forget to switch between DCI-P3 and BT2020 according to content's mastering when you watch a movie, because Samsung after all these years can't detect and auto switch it while all the other companies with lesser TVs doing it so.
@@Gkhn32 how do I switch
To my eyes on my X90J the Panasonic lacked some saturation and the LG G3 came closer to look like the HX310.
Nice choice of the Wonder Woman BluRay 😁
Panasonic is DOA for the States and Canada though...
Panasonic needs to sell tv’s in the U.S. again.
to much flaws. G3 is still the best performer imho
facts.
LG G3 had loads of flaws it's overpriced and inferior to Sony Bravia A95L QD OLED
@@Datenschutz_DatenschutzFanboy facts
@@RobertK1993 Sony Fanboy 🤡 please do not bother me 😘
Panasonic is way too underrated, hopefully things start turning in favor for them
They are really popular in Japan, especially with their partnerships with Studio Ghibli and Tsuburaya Productions (the Ultraman company).
Panasonic made a proto-HDR format with Studio Ghibli to give their TVs and Blu-ray players an edge over the competition, and Studio Ghibli released a Blu-ray remastered double feature of My Neighbor Totoro and Grave of the Fireflies to kickstart the format.
They need to come back to America
I loved their plasmas back in the day.
underrated? theyre constantly at the top of 'best of' tv shootouts every year, trading blows with sony. they were the kings of plasma tv as well.
Also have better sound but you pay more
This guy should own his own tv store.