This is what church is to be about! This is what pastors are to be sharing;not a bunch of stories about self or the pastors family, last vacation, childhood experiences but the word of GOD! Fresno is looking good!
but, He did create us to share His Love...His Desire for relationship is a most awesome ideal to meditate upon. People love to have "a reason why", and it is pretty hard to answer why God would want to crown us sinners...
jahdiel newman - You are grasping for what you WANT. You have been hoodwinked by one of Satan’s lies. He is so happy that you were so easily mislead. Quit cherry picking verses our of context. You do not see the BIG PICTURE. Satan has many who serve him in his lies, whether they ever realize it or not. The Bible is very clear about there being a triune Godhead - all equal - the 3 are ONE, in nature, in character, and in purpose. They each have their own unique role in their submissive representation of LOVE, which is the opposite of SELF.
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9 (KJV)
The relationship between His Father and himself demonstrates the family unit as well as the headship principle. Made in His image we would expect our family arrangements with would reflect that. See Trinities Podcast, & Nader Mansour for truth.
Victoria Layrisse - Nader Mansour is a wolf devouring the children of God. He does not teach truth. He teaches non-trinity, which is a lie from the author of lies and those in league with him - whether they realize it or not. The non-trinity does not square with the Holy Scriptures, nor with Ellen G. White, a messenger raised up by Jesus, Himself.
The SDA church **never ever** used that Roman Catholic word "trinity" to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son. I hate using and hearing that word; because it comes from the black banner of Rome. The fact that they've now included it as #2 in their fundamental doctrines is proof that they have departed from God. The Trinity "is the central doctrine of Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the Church." Handbook For Today's Catholics, p 12.
ok..so i guess hebrews was saying that Jesus isn't above all angels as being God, but just as the highest ranked angel?lol--dan 10:13 say michale is one of the chief prince...isn't Jesus THE CHIEF? not one of??? Christ is yahweh, yahweh made the chief princes...michael is defined as one who is like God...but isn't Christ actually God? not LIKE Him?...
TheSpydermunkee Because Jesus role during that time needed to be diffentiated between His role as High Priest after the order of Melchizadec now. The title and role go together. This demonstrates gospel order, which was the whole point of the sermon.
perfectly one does not mean they are one being. God is called HE not they, husband and wife is referred to as they. they do not connect if connected to attributes of a trinity. God is one being not one beings, thats not english.
jahdiel newman - The Hebrew word Elohim is a plural form of God. It does refer to THEY. “Let US make man in. OUR image”. God is plural - a divine trio or a triune Godhead. God could not BE love if divinity was singular. The triune Godhead is ONE - one in nature, character and purpose.
jahdiel newman - Jesus has always been with the Father, from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus laid aside His divinity to become a little lower than the angels (just we are described) when he became incarnated as a man, with a nature such as we have - one with the propensity to sin. One who HATES sin became sin for us. God paid our penalty. No one but God could pay the death penalty for breaking the divine law - which is the definition of sin. Jesus was Michael, the Arch Angel or Angel of the Lord before His incarnation of man. Angel MEANS messenger. The ARCH angel means the one who is commander over all of the angels (messengers). Jesus Christ created the angel beings, which are called Cherubim and Seraphim. Christ Jesus is the HIGHEST messenger of the Godhead. Christ Jesus is also OVER all prophets, who are also messengers of the Lord Jesus. Jesus raises them up and they give His messages to His people.
who is contending with the devil? through the bible Jesus is the one contending and gaining victory. lucifer being the highest cheribim in heaven cant be cast out by a mere angel but the chief of the anels or (arch-angel) Michael. it diffrenciates alot because it happened Jesus was His name, before He was incarnated as a human.
HOw can Christ recieve all things, if It was His in eternity??? we need to stop reading with pre conceived ideas, causing scritures and egwwritings to say what they want it to say. I still like stephen bohr but He is off in HIs break down
Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not Jude 1:9-10 (KJV)... But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ Jude 1:17 (KJV) Michael is not called Lord, Jesus is called Lord. In the same chapter. SIMPLE. love bohr but he is wrong here
jahdiel newman - Your mind is closed with your misperceptions. You ARE what you judge Pastor Bohr to be. Judge not, lest YOU be judged. We are often guilty of a charge that we lay on others.
This is what church is to be about! This is what pastors are to be sharing;not a bunch of stories about self or the pastors family, last vacation, childhood experiences but the word of GOD! Fresno is looking good!
Thank You Pastor Stephen Bohr For Sharing This Inspiring Message. May God Continue To Bless You.
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Gospel order - Amen, Pastor Bohr.
I needed to hear this tonight. I'm hoping that the Lord will change my selfishness soon.
but, He did create us to share His Love...His Desire for relationship is a most awesome ideal to meditate upon. People love to have "a reason why", and it is pretty hard to answer why God would want to crown us sinners...
wow! !!! Love Love Love is all I think I can say. God bless the rest.
IF you noticed that the only being mentioned in the Father and Son. IN egw writings that is all that is mentioned as far as the plan of redemption.
jahdiel newman - You are grasping for what you WANT. You have been hoodwinked by one of Satan’s lies. He is so happy that you were so easily mislead. Quit cherry picking verses our of context. You do not see the BIG PICTURE. Satan has many who serve him in his lies, whether they ever realize it or not. The Bible is very clear about there being a triune Godhead - all equal - the 3 are ONE, in nature, in character, and in purpose. They each have their own unique role in their submissive representation of LOVE, which is the opposite of SELF.
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 1:9 (KJV)
The relationship between His Father and himself demonstrates the family unit as well as the headship principle. Made in His image we would expect our family arrangements with would reflect that. See Trinities Podcast, & Nader Mansour for truth.
Victoria Layrisse - Nader Mansour is a wolf devouring the children of God. He does not teach truth. He teaches non-trinity, which is a lie from the author of lies and those in league with him - whether they realize it or not. The non-trinity does not square with the Holy Scriptures, nor with Ellen G. White, a messenger raised up by Jesus, Himself.
The SDA church **never ever** used that Roman Catholic word "trinity" to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son.
I hate using and hearing that word; because it comes from the black banner of Rome. The fact that they've now included it as #2 in their fundamental doctrines is proof that they have departed from God.
The Trinity "is the central doctrine of Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the Church." Handbook For Today's Catholics, p 12.
I think the best way to describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit is "heavenly trio".
ok..so i guess hebrews was saying that Jesus isn't above all angels as being God, but just as the highest ranked angel?lol--dan 10:13 say michale is one of the chief prince...isn't Jesus THE CHIEF? not one of??? Christ is yahweh, yahweh made the chief princes...michael is defined as one who is like God...but isn't Christ actually God? not LIKE Him?...
if Jesus and Michael are the same person, why are they differentiated in the book of Jude???
TheSpydermunkee Because Jesus role during that time needed to be diffentiated between His role as High Priest after the order of Melchizadec now. The title and role go together. This demonstrates gospel order, which was the whole point of the sermon.
perfectly one does not mean they are one being. God is called HE not they, husband and wife is referred to as they. they do not connect if connected to attributes of a trinity. God is one being not one beings, thats not english.
jahdiel newman - The Hebrew word Elohim is a plural form of God. It does refer to THEY. “Let US make man in. OUR image”. God is plural - a divine trio or a triune Godhead. God could not BE love if divinity was singular. The triune Godhead is ONE - one in nature, character and purpose.
short from being identical?? how did u read over that. before Jesus was incarnate, He was not identical to the Father.
jahdiel newman - Jesus has always been with the Father, from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus laid aside His divinity to become a little lower than the angels (just we are described) when he became incarnated as a man, with a nature such as we have - one with the propensity to sin. One who HATES sin became sin for us. God paid our penalty. No one but God could pay the death penalty for breaking the divine law - which is the definition of sin. Jesus was Michael, the Arch Angel or Angel of the Lord before His incarnation of man. Angel MEANS messenger. The ARCH angel means the one who is commander over all of the angels (messengers). Jesus Christ created the angel beings, which are called Cherubim and Seraphim. Christ Jesus is the HIGHEST messenger of the Godhead. Christ Jesus is also OVER all prophets, who are also messengers of the Lord Jesus. Jesus raises them up and they give His messages to His people.
who is contending with the devil? through the bible Jesus is the one contending and gaining victory. lucifer being the highest cheribim in heaven cant be cast out by a mere angel but the chief of the anels or (arch-angel) Michael. it diffrenciates alot because it happened Jesus was His name, before He was incarnated as a human.
HOw can Christ recieve all things, if It was His in eternity??? we need to stop reading with pre conceived ideas, causing scritures and egwwritings to say what they want it to say. I still like stephen bohr but He is off in HIs break down
incorrect
God does not need to have anyone for HIM to be Love HImself. smh that is limiting of Gods character.
Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not
Jude 1:9-10 (KJV)...
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ
Jude 1:17 (KJV) Michael is not called Lord, Jesus is called Lord. In the same chapter. SIMPLE. love bohr but he is wrong here
Fathers Love not Jesus Love, Jesus revealed The Fathers love as He created the universe. very simple
jahdiel newman - Your mind is closed with your misperceptions. You ARE what you judge Pastor Bohr to be. Judge not, lest YOU be judged. We are often guilty of a charge that we lay on others.
wow! !!! Love Love Love is all I think I can say. God bless the rest.