@@Red1Green2Blue3 There is no usefulness other than recruiting right wing morons into your audience. I've already seen them in the comment sections, new TYT viewers that have come from Ana and Cenks pivot, and they are all batshit insane,"Hunters Laptop" obsessed morons.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 I mean to be fair I do think that this kind of shows to some people, maybe even some of their own fans come how unreasonable they really are. Who the hell equate raising taxes to nuclear war? That's really stupid and while I don't always agree with Anna on the whole plant a seed thing I can acknowledge that it's at least an Endeavor worth trying on bigger audiences. Maybe it isn't a definitive gain for us yet but it's up to us to maybe debunk their own claims by using their own words against them. It's not a perfect strategy I can acknowledge that but it is something. Maybe we can turn some of the more center right people because that does happen with tyt. And even majority report and even David pakman.
We didn't push our alliance closer to Russia. Other countries next to Russia decided that the only way to protect themselves from Russia by APPLYING to join NATO. What did Russia do to make them think that was necessary.
When he is given time to reply and respected. SURE! The Shapiro one sucked because his little fanboys couldn't wait to boo Cenk. And Tucker was just a sleazy, smug, dishonest Fascist, of course...
The thing about saying, “oh we left so much equipment that went to the Taliban” is that equipment was left for the Afghan army to defend itself, if we wouldn’t have left all of that people would say.. “oh we left them with sticks and stones to defend themselves and that’s why the Taliban took over so quickly. Bottom line is there was no perfect way to get out, but it needed to be done and band aid needed to be ripped off
My overwhelming impression of Patrick is that he is legitimately decent - but rather dumb. I saw his episode with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and my face almost never left my palm. It was borderline hopeless. He is respectful, and he deserves credit for that. But every take I've ever heard from him was naive and very oversimplified.
He's a self-titled 1.8gpa who barely graduated high school. He ran a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95% * of the licensed sales agents make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr. * data comes from his own company's disclosure.
Holy crap, I seen the episode with David Packman and I felt the same way. He came across to me as some used car salesman running some BS but David wasn't having it.
"Me, I'm a pure capitalist." Translation: "Me, I'm a knuckledragging goon who puts on a suit and tries to appear intellectual but in reality I just recite dumb platitudes."
Haha! Aww, c'mon. He's not Tucker Carlson or Matt Walsh, FFS. Give him a chance. He's respecting the LW enough for honest discourse...a RARE occurances these days.
@@Michael-se6rvI wouldn’t care as I know NATO can still defeat Russia, China and Mexico 😂. The fact is, the west is winning the “culture war”. America could steamroll Mexico.
He doesn't, they're giving Trump credit because Iran didn't choose to permanently alter and wreck their country courtesy of a US invasion. I am also sick of this revisionist history as well as the ignorance when it comes to Korea. Trump was calling him "little rocket man" and talking about how his red button was bigger. He then took credit for the work that the SOUTH KOREAN president did in building a bridge for talks. None of what Trump did was planned. He was making crap up as he went, and any of these issues could've easily exploded. He doesn't get credit because these other places didn't want to join a death pact.
I love it when people try to find conmon ground and realize they're not just extreme opposites of each other. There's so much to be learned from each other if we just listen to each other. Kudos to all of them making the discussion interesting and decent.
I love the fact that we were able to have a conversation despite the differences in political views between three American patriots. We need more of this!
Correction, he asked a question. He asked why not. Asking if something is possible is a far cry from actually doing that thing. This is a distinction people suffering from TDS are Incapable of understanding.
@@jamestorres2789 except, he never did that. Trump never mentioned bleach. See, now we know that you get all your information from only left bent "news" outfits.
I like this PBD guy! He’s almost an “honest Conservative”, maybe because he’s just “RW leaning” (like Joe Rogan?? LoL!) YES! That’s ALL we need is to honestly, openly, and respectfully DISCUSS this stuff and we CAN find common ground. There are a TON of misconceptions and misinterpretations at play and the MSM doesn't help! If we could just stop demonizing the other side (admit it, RWers do that more!), we can ACTUALLY AGREE on some stuff. Well played, Cenk and TYT! More of this!🤘👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
He looks 'better' in this conversation, but he is EXTREMELY biased and in bad faith in other conversations (see the David Pakman, Sam Seder conversation)
As a right leaning conservative, I agree. We need more discussions such as this and less dehumanizing and straw-manning the actual legitimate arguments. As a nation, I think we could teach each other a lot if we were trying to seek to understand before trying to seek to be understood.
This dude is all over the place and many of his comparisons to things are not close. The fawning over trump and Elon are sickening and diluted in reality.
One big point I think they both miss about the billions of dollars of equipment we left behind, was that we intentionally left it behind for the Afghanistan government troops we trained to use. It wasn't forgotten about or an oversight. We just didn't expect the military to fold almost immediately after we left.
Good catch. I was listening while driving so didn’t catch it. Dude says “I wanna talk to you about unions” then literally 7 seconds later doesn’t talking about unions lmao
If we're going to help out friends in Eastern Europe, then why not go all the way and implement a military draft here in the US? We need a show of Overwhelming force agsinst Ruzzia, don't we? No half-measures, guys!
@@johnryan6658 a draft will help make sure everyone has a stake in the effort. A thermonuclear war would be wonderful for fighting against climate change.
@@johnryan6658 at least go through the effort of drafting everyone. Make sure everyone has a stake in the effort. If they are going to end up nuked, at least we will all be together.
WTH is this??? You all need to hire the editors of PBD. Not one terrible dad joke through the entire clip. Jenk actually seems REASONABLY calm. Maybe they gave him some chamomile tea before the podcast😅
that withdrawal from Afghanistan is basically the only foreign policy move from the Biden administration I approve of. I don't care that it was chaotic. I care that it happened. Unfortunately, the resources and efforts being devoted to Central Asia appear to now have been diverted to Eastern Europe in the form of a catastrophically foolish proxy war with a nuclear power.
So you are giving Biden credit for leaving your latest weapons at the hands of Taliban? For destabilizing the whole area again? Just yesterday there was a suicide bombing in Pakistan, are you still 'giving credit' for that insanely botched up 'withdrawal'?
@@garrydimasa1964 we've been in Germany and Japan for over 75 years. When was the last time either them attacked the US or any of its allies? We've been in Korea for over 70 years. When was the last time North Korea invaded South Korea. Staying works.
A foolish proxy war? You speak as though Russia didn't invade, which would then be followed by transistria, which would be war with moldova and romania (a NATO member). You're so naive
I can't stand these guys but I'm glad at least we have a show where people on both sides are actually talking to each other and not merely contributing to their respective echo chambers
I would be willing to bet the show host is *not* a pure capitalist. The MOMENT he's about to be eaten by someone bigger and more powerful with lousy market ideas "just because they can" -- he would be screaming "SHERMAN ACT" from the roof-tops. As one example, it's always easy to say "Microsoft is the biggest because they're the best" when one owns stock while burying one's head in the sand concerning all the monopolistic abuses they engage in. Of course, there are other examples - but I worked in IT back in the 90's during someone of Microsoft's most blatant abuses of their monopoly power. Just ask any IT person what "Embrace, extend, extinguish" means and who came up with it.
This is actually a good conversation, a debate with someone from the actual right. I am very impressed Cenk. I hope to see you on more right-leaning platforms
@@robertmiller32these guys are rich who’s the poor then? Billionaires being criticized by millionaires in the sake of us? Them millionaires just trying to reach billionaires but still need the little guy money and emotions for support.
@pauldessurault9243 Hes literally an oversized boss baby.. People like him is the reason why The country is so divided.😅 He hates Trump so much But their personalities are identical😅🤣😂
This should be the rule not the exception (this interview/debate). Two view points, talking about politics without all the vitriol. Respecting each other enough to push the conversation forward, without just sticking to partisanship. I know I don't agree fully with either of their ideals, but hearing the two of them agree on the real problems with government (both parties are corrupt to some extent, and neither fully) is refreshing and gets to the real issues plaguing the US government.
We actually had something that sort of did that called the Fairness Doctrine that applied to some parts of broadcast media, but it was repealled by Reagan and voted against by congress for supposedly violating "free speech." 🙄
It’s hard to follow this conversation, first he’s talking about unions and wages then he does a right turn into the movie and talking about nukes then takes a left turn and starts talking about Trump and Biden and getting out of Afghanistan. Like what’s your point?
@@MEstylz you're lazy. Google search "Cenk Uygur union," and see what you find. Perhaps, the very 1st result. "Pro-union" Cenk tried to stop his own employees from unionizing.
My opinion on nukes is that we’re safer with them than without them. Without nukes and powerful weapons. Imperialism would still be a thing for larger/more powerful countries. Look at Russia. Without nukes Russia would’ve already taken the Baltics. And those nukes saved a lot of lives in WW2 (lesser evil option).
So it's alright for Russia to invade Ukraine, to be Russia is the reckless actor here. There was no real need to invade into ukraine. Yet they did. So because someone has nuclear power we should out out heads in the sand and do nothing. China should also just take Taiwan and Singapore since hand Chinese are the majority in both places. Common. Nuance matters.
So proxy wars with a nuclear power is the problem. Iran ran a proxy wars against America, in Iraq, they should have been afraid to be nuked. And also Iran is running a proxy war with Isreal with hezbollah so Isreal that's a confirmed nuclear power should nuke them. See where and how your argument falls off
@MEstylz first of all, it was provoked to do so for 8 years, if not the better part of 3 decades -- but we can't have that conversation. Secondly, the West has done more than enough to "help" Ukraine over the past 3 decades and especially since 2014. Finally, it's not my problem: the West shouldn't have anything to do with that situation to begin with. Any US or Western intervention there is inappropriate, unwarranted, and only serves to goad Moscow into being more belligerent. Frankly, I don't care if they push into the Baltics and Poland and beyond since these countries have acted like entitled revanchist delusional children in recent years. Keep the US out of any more wars. Period.
The US left heaps of stuff when they left Vietnam. The same with Afghanistan, You can't take out millions of bits of military equipment while the enemy is advancing & while you're getting out. Its a stupid idea if you think they can. Its easy to take out all your equipment if you win. Not when you're holding the enemy at bay,. or losing. By definition you're getting out in a rush. Look at Dunkirk in 1940. like Vietnam, as clear & obvious examples.
They won in Afghanistan??? It's was being occupied, there was no front line. They could've easily done a methodical withdrawal. They litterally left soldiers behind stranded and ended up being killed, it was the worst withdrawal in history, how are you even defending it?
@@dartskihutch4033 It was a 20 year war. It was always going to be messy whoever the president was. Mind you that the withdrawal was done three months into the Biden administration. That didn't help either. What also made it worse was that Trump's administration denied access to the Biden's team during the transition period which would've been critical for operations like this withdrawal. Not to mention the piss poor negotiation that Trump did with the Taliban to withdraw from Afghanistan was what made the messy situation became an impossible one. Trump really left Biden with an Afghan mountain to climb.
True, but that's not the point. Be honest in these conversations that's how we can bring people together from different points of view. Don't be disingenuous
@@jiveturkeylee how am I being disingenuous? This is true and a strong possibility, you’re that naive to think we’ll truly get away with assassinating our adversaries top general?
This might be one of the best political discussions i've ever seen. Major kudos to Cenk, I don't know the other guys, but if they're conservatives, i'm slightly shocked at how likeable they are! (well, the bearded guy with his Hunter Biden obsession, hmm...🙄)
There was no way to bring home all of that equipment. It would have taken years and billions of dollars and many American lives. It was and always is a strategic decision to leave equipment behind.
Both of these people have no understanding of the Evac of Kabul. The US military did not want to leave anything behind, but during a freakin evacuation there was simply no time to take back equipment that has simply become obsolete anyway, and these jokers totally forgot that the fact Marines were ordered to destroy and disable as much of the equipment as possible which they did. Even the BlackHawks were sabotaged beyond repair and the Taliban ended up crashing them, killing several of their own guys, add to this without a steady stream of replacement parts they are not getting those back in the air again compared to all the soviet equipment which is in much greater abundance... I dont think any of these people have actually looked at photos of the Taliban. How broken their equipment is, how poorly they are trained... They were only able to seize Kabul because of the local security forces abandoning their posts and the fact we were leaving. They are insurgents, not an army...
I wish Cenk was more like this on his own show. He's talking like an adult here, instead of the loud, silly, child voices and noises he does on TYT. He is able to have a conversation where there is disagreement without pouting and yelling.
Agreed. And I don't know if you came here for PBD or for Cenk, but thank you. Actually this whole comment section has largely been positive and giving me hope. And these two should try to work together more IMO.
@@aaronsande I'm a lefty, but I like that PBD brings on and talks to people on the other side of him, so i'll watch when he does. He had on Sam Seder and Pakman as well. I'm more of a Destiny/Pakman lefty, but, I like that TYT can have disagreements on their show, and I like the nuance they've given lately on some topics;, as well the pushback they've given to other lefties. BUT, Cenk's schtick is usually just impossible for me to take serous, or get through. Then I see him talk with Destiny, PBD, and even Hasan, and he is totally personable, rational, and likeable.
@@0452514 I canceled my Netflix a few months ago seeing how it's 19 bucks a month now! and apparently they still don't have money for writers!? Hmm .. Hahah this awesome theater near me does a movie pass for 22 a month unlimited movies, so I go at least 2-4 times a month. Glad you made it out to a showing!! It was rlly radd to see the theater poppin for Barbenhiemer summer bangers at the theater. I luvved feeling the energy of the audience while watching this one!
“Compassionate capitalist” or Social Democrat with policies from Scandinavia but better and more populist left. Social lefty libertarian, a free speech and I’m a patriot for 🇺🇸 flag , don’t have to salute it. It’s my 1st amendment right if I chose not to.
He agrees. Want a cookie... It's nice to talk to level headed and reasonable people who are willing to listen and not just pick a side to shut down the other. I wish tyt would do the same more often.
Democratic capitalist 😂. No such thing capitalism IS undemocratic! The other guy is as he called himself a pure capitalist. The efer does not belive in democracy but hierarchical, classed based, and so on.
Yes, the anti-democratic character is the definitive fundamental of capitalism. Indeed, I’m inclined to call what most people mean by the latter term the “modern form of” capitalism in the more fundamental sense.
The modern form was initially in the bigger picture - by enabling a greater number of smaller tyrannies, along with a bigger market - relatively more democratic than feudalism. However, its taking control of the industrial revolution reduced democracy by driving out the household-level socialism of family enterprises. The formal government beyond the firms became more democratic with the workers securing the franchise for themselves - but again, that formal democracy gave way to real oligarchy with plutocrats’ corruption of politicians.
Growing upon Colorado below Cheyenne Mountain. And NORAD. I was frightened, that any day that place would be their FIRST, and their biggest target. But that was before we had modern satellites tracking if missiles are mobile. But I grew with that fear, and respect for nuclear war. The sound of a klaxon triggers me.
The corruption in Zelenskyy's government needs to be addressed before more aid is given to them and an audit system needs to be established as well. Otherwise, this country is bound to repeat the same mistake that happened in Afghanistan.
We're not allowed to have that conversation. Even the most nuanced critique of having a proxy war with a nuclear power gets you accused of being a Russian bot, a Putin apologist, a right-winger, etc. We all better keep our mouths shut and keep handing over money and resources to Europe's most corrupt country without questioning it.
@JohnSmith-ez9xq Yes. You would like the mistake in Afghanistan to repeat again and again. Do you know how much damage that mistake caused to the people of Afghanistan, their country, and ours? Why do you choose to believe Zelenskyy more than the former elected president of Afghanistan? Is it because one of them is a self-proclaimed "white" Christian while the other is a "brown" Muslim?
Both, my favorite is when someone insults his daddy trump, he turns red in the face on the brink real tears... NOW THATS WHAT I CALL VALUETAINMENT... lol... Boot licking clown.
Any manager, owner of a business, strategic planner would have said the way we left Afganistan was poorly planned. Period. The ignorance was unbelievable. That required an a to z playbook, and it was poorly thought out. By the way, its not the equipment it's the people we left behind in harms way, people who died or will die and the soldiers who died because it was a cluster f$c& and you're logically challenged if you can't see that the process was weak.
Pure capitalism has never existed in the US. If it did the economy would have collapsed a long time ago. We’ve always had a mixed system with a capitalist base. Even at our worst.
Unchecked capitalism turns into a feudal system if left unchecked. The government is supposed to keep it reigned in and protect the citizens from shady business practices. Instead our politicians have been bought by the very entities they are supposed to keep on the level.
If trump is so anti-war, what im worried is trump is going to put his hands up and let them in. remember he admires these fascist leaders. He's on the same side, the side of fascism, so I am worried he's going to let Russia, North korea, and russia in.
Truman was not flippant in reality. His call to Acheson, which he did not say in person, was that if Oppenheimer thinks he has blood on his hands, I had to make the goddamn decision. Truman did escalate thermonuclear technology, but it’s not simple
Technically, Iran thought they struck back. Didn’t they hit a passenger plane thinking it wasn’t civilian. Plus, they bombed our base. We moved our troops to the open fields out of the buildings because they had the intelligence they were going to be bombed.
3:42 we have a defense agreement with Ukraine. By giving up their massive nuclear stockpile we agreed to honor their sovereignty and to defend them from outside threats. It’s called The Budapest Memorandum.
Was great to see the discussion regarding leaving Afghanistan I've had with discussion with republican colleagues before. I always mention to consider the body count. We lost 17 service members in the withdrawal RIP It's tragic we lost them. Now consider how many we we have lost being there and how many more we would have lost had we continued to stay there. Was somewhat mind blowing point from Cenk regarding oh we wanted to leave all that equipment behind because then we can say well since we lost all tht we'll have to invest in making moreee. Great interview I needa peep the full thingg
@@johnryan6658 Do u consider urself patriotic and that you care about the lives of US service members? Because ur arguing for the death of more US soldiers. I could look at the ratio during a year when we were the most active and multiply it by 50 tell me if you like tht number u little authoritarian fucc face .
@@johnryan6658 sorry but it's really frustrating for me to hear tht you honestly believe tht. I hope you have a legit reason for why you feel how you feel..
@@Nobodynuthinnowhere we fought Germany and Japan in WW2, and we're still there. When was the last time we had trouble from either of them? We stopped North Korea's invasion of South Korea, and we're still there. When was the last time North Korea tried to invade South Korea? Staying works. We should have stayed in Afghanistan until anyone who remembers what it was like to live under Taliban rule has died of old age.
@@johnryan6658 Germany and Japan both started the war. Their people understood that they started the war. They got beat militarily and gave up their aspirations to take over the world. Thats a hell of a lot different than what happened in Afghanistan. We started the war with Afghanistan. We outsted the Taliban who did nothing to the USA other than refuse to turn over terrorists. The government we put into place was corrupt as all hell because no righteous/good people would take that job without serious financial benefits. The people of Afghanistan would NEVER change...just like the people of Vietnam. Corrupt propped up by US government is never going to be considered by the people to be valid.
I love how these guys always talk about foreign policy like the rest of the world (outside of two or three superpowers) has no agency whatsoever. Listen, my brothers: Ukraine is an independent nation. A free nation. Just like your country. It makes foreign policy decision like all the other nations.
I love how PBD equated nuclear war with raising taxes...
I know. Pure insanity.
Right, I'm sceptical as to the usefulness of engaging with people like this. It's so detached from reality that I don't see what's to be gained
@@Red1Green2Blue3 I personally liked it...shows with all head nodders are worthless IMO.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 There is no usefulness other than recruiting right wing morons into your audience. I've already seen them in the comment sections, new TYT viewers that have come from Ana and Cenks pivot, and they are all batshit insane,"Hunters Laptop" obsessed morons.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 I mean to be fair I do think that this kind of shows to some people, maybe even some of their own fans come how unreasonable they really are. Who the hell equate raising taxes to nuclear war? That's really stupid and while I don't always agree with Anna on the whole plant a seed thing I can acknowledge that it's at least an Endeavor worth trying on bigger audiences. Maybe it isn't a definitive gain for us yet but it's up to us to maybe debunk their own claims by using their own words against them.
It's not a perfect strategy I can acknowledge that but it is something. Maybe we can turn some of the more center right people because that does happen with tyt. And even majority report and even David pakman.
We didn't push our alliance closer to Russia. Other countries next to Russia decided that the only way to protect themselves from Russia by APPLYING to join NATO. What did Russia do to make them think that was necessary.
PBD makes Joe Rogan sound like an intellectual.
PBD is lying about asking an old man about the movie 😂😂
Lmfao fr. But he's gotten very good at painting a picture of these anecdotal experiences to evoke emotion in his audience.
I thought the exact same thing. lol it's such a ridiculous way to set up a question. Just ask the question, no need to make up a story lol
That's conservatism 101.
i ran into this old man at the movies.... tears in his eyes....
Cenk, you were amazing in this interview. I appreciate your opinions, explications, and clarifications on all topics . Thank you
Cenk is so good a debating.
When he is given time to reply and respected. SURE!
The Shapiro one sucked because his little fanboys couldn't wait to boo Cenk.
And Tucker was just a sleazy, smug, dishonest Fascist, of course...
It would be nice if he knew what he was talking about in terms of Ukraine...like even just a little bit
The thing about saying, “oh we left so much equipment that went to the Taliban” is that equipment was left for the Afghan army to defend itself, if we wouldn’t have left all of that people would say.. “oh we left them with sticks and stones to defend themselves and that’s why the Taliban took over so quickly. Bottom line is there was no perfect way to get out, but it needed to be done and band aid needed to be ripped off
My overwhelming impression of Patrick is that he is legitimately decent - but rather dumb. I saw his episode with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and my face almost never left my palm. It was borderline hopeless. He is respectful, and he deserves credit for that. But every take I've ever heard from him was naive and very oversimplified.
He's a self-titled 1.8gpa who barely graduated high school.
He ran a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95% * of the licensed sales agents make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr.
* data comes from his own company's disclosure.
he's a scumbag and Cenk is only associating with them because he wants to be them.
Holy crap, I seen the episode with David Packman and I felt the same way. He came across to me as some used car salesman running some BS but David wasn't having it.
Patrick is very bias and pretends to listen . The right wing grift pays the most dollars.
@EzerikAribal
The right wing is also the easiest to grift...just ask the preachers and televangelists.
Great convo, nice to see both sides of the aisle having a normal and honest conversation.
Cenk really holds his own with these guys.
not hard, their debate tactics are petti and childish, their data is always false... wankers.
"Me, I'm a pure capitalist."
Translation: "Me, I'm a knuckledragging goon who puts on a suit and tries to appear intellectual but in reality I just recite dumb platitudes."
Haha! Aww, c'mon. He's not Tucker Carlson or Matt Walsh, FFS.
Give him a chance. He's respecting the LW enough for honest discourse...a RARE occurances these days.
With Ukraine, if anyone wants to democratically join NATO. They should have the right to do so.
You ok with China or russia putting weapons and bodies in Mexico on the boarder?
@@Michael-se6rvwhy do you think it's your business what 2 independent counties agree on?
@@Michael-se6rvI wouldn’t care as I know NATO can still defeat Russia, China and Mexico 😂.
The fact is, the west is winning the “culture war”. America could steamroll Mexico.
@@nonyabusiness366Exactly. We have all the advantages now. No one would side with China and Russia. As they know they’d lose.
Tell that to Cuba when they allied themselves militarily with the Soviet. You Yanks threaten to blow up the world for that piece of little island.
Glad Cenk pulled the Soleimani card. Trump doesn't deserve the peace narrative.
He doesn't, they're giving Trump credit because Iran didn't choose to permanently alter and wreck their country courtesy of a US invasion.
I am also sick of this revisionist history as well as the ignorance when it comes to Korea. Trump was calling him "little rocket man" and talking about how his red button was bigger. He then took credit for the work that the SOUTH KOREAN president did in building a bridge for talks.
None of what Trump did was planned. He was making crap up as he went, and any of these issues could've easily exploded. He doesn't get credit because these other places didn't want to join a death pact.
I love it when people try to find conmon ground and realize they're not just extreme opposites of each other. There's so much to be learned from each other if we just listen to each other. Kudos to all of them making the discussion interesting and decent.
I love the fact that we were able to have a conversation despite the differences in political views between three American patriots. We need more of this!
Young Turks are far from Patriots.
He wanted to nuke a hurricane!!
Correction, he asked a question. He asked why not. Asking if something is possible is a far cry from actually doing that thing. This is a distinction people suffering from TDS are Incapable of understanding.
@@johnryan6658 Because it was a stupid question and so is asking to put bleach inside the body. Don't defend dumb questions.
@@jamestorres2789 except, he never did that. Trump never mentioned bleach. See, now we know that you get all your information from only left bent "news" outfits.
@@johnryan6658 so he was smart for asking can he nuke the weather? Got it..
@@plutotech where did I say that?
I like this PBD guy! He’s almost an “honest Conservative”, maybe because he’s just “RW leaning” (like Joe Rogan?? LoL!)
YES! That’s ALL we need is to honestly, openly, and respectfully DISCUSS this stuff and we CAN find common ground. There are a TON of misconceptions and misinterpretations at play and the MSM doesn't help! If we could just stop demonizing the other side (admit it, RWers do that more!), we can ACTUALLY AGREE on some stuff.
Well played, Cenk and TYT!
More of this!🤘👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
He looks 'better' in this conversation, but he is EXTREMELY biased and in bad faith in other conversations (see the David Pakman, Sam Seder conversation)
As a right leaning conservative, I agree. We need more discussions such as this and less dehumanizing and straw-manning the actual legitimate arguments. As a nation, I think we could teach each other a lot if we were trying to seek to understand before trying to seek to be understood.
This dude is all over the place and many of his comparisons to things are not close. The fawning over trump and Elon are sickening and diluted in reality.
Facts I agree
Remember what he said in the beginning about north. " NKorea Will Be Met with 'Fire and Fury".
One big point I think they both miss about the billions of dollars of equipment we left behind, was that we intentionally left it behind for the Afghanistan government troops we trained to use. It wasn't forgotten about or an oversight. We just didn't expect the military to fold almost immediately after we left.
Both of them look like brothers on different spectrums . Only PBD is coping.
Am I the only one confused how they went from talking about unions to nuclear war?
Good catch. I was listening while driving so didn’t catch it. Dude says “I wanna talk to you about unions” then literally 7 seconds later doesn’t talking about unions lmao
Honestly well done, Cenk. Didnt expect this reaction but you broke through.
One side critiques our side, the other side is a cult. Rhymes with dump
That was one of the best Podcast , it was interesing to see both parties showing respect ,I loved it .
My god, can Bet-David get any thought straight? He confuses confusion with intellectual thinking.
If we're going to help out friends in Eastern Europe, then why not go all the way and implement a military draft here in the US? We need a show of Overwhelming force agsinst Ruzzia, don't we? No half-measures, guys!
A draft won't be much help in a global thermonuclear war.
@@johnryan6658 a draft will help make sure everyone has a stake in the effort. A thermonuclear war would be wonderful for fighting against climate change.
@@giga_architect a draft is irrelevant if everyone is dead whether they are drafted or not.
@@johnryan6658 at least go through the effort of drafting everyone. Make sure everyone has a stake in the effort. If they are going to end up nuked, at least we will all be together.
There is no such thing as a "Pure Capitalist". PBD just likes corrupt capitalism/plutocracy.
But "NATO expanding"´s still a bogus talking point. Baltic States *choose* to join NATO and if they hadn`t Mr. P from M.`d invaded them long ago.
And Ukraine wasn't even allowed to join because of their territorial disputes since 2014
WTH is this??? You all need to hire the editors of PBD. Not one terrible dad joke through the entire clip. Jenk actually seems REASONABLY calm. Maybe they gave him some chamomile tea before the podcast😅
what Chenk is good at is getting the opposing side to see the forest thru the trees
10:45 BRILLIANT! These guys get it! Of all the right-wing shows I've seen, they seem the most good faith. And they listen and GET IT.
The exit from Vietnam was also a disaster
I’ve really enjoyed these segments. Cenk, would you go on this program more often?
that withdrawal from Afghanistan is basically the only foreign policy move from the Biden administration I approve of. I don't care that it was chaotic. I care that it happened. Unfortunately, the resources and efforts being devoted to Central Asia appear to now have been diverted to Eastern Europe in the form of a catastrophically foolish proxy war with a nuclear power.
We never should have left Afghanistan until the Taliban is gone. If it takes 50 years, it takes 50 years.
So you are giving Biden credit for leaving your latest weapons at the hands of Taliban? For destabilizing the whole area again? Just yesterday there was a suicide bombing in Pakistan, are you still 'giving credit' for that insanely botched up 'withdrawal'?
@@johnryan6658lmao might as well absorb them for the 51st state then. Poor Puerto Rico, tho.
@@garrydimasa1964 we've been in Germany and Japan for over 75 years. When was the last time either them attacked the US or any of its allies? We've been in Korea for over 70 years. When was the last time North Korea invaded South Korea. Staying works.
A foolish proxy war? You speak as though Russia didn't invade, which would then be followed by transistria, which would be war with moldova and romania (a NATO member). You're so naive
I can't stand these guys but I'm glad at least we have a show where people on both sides are actually talking to each other and not merely contributing to their respective echo chambers
Best part about it IMO.
Overall this was really good and professional, better and more serious than I've seen from PBD typically. And this was a highlight for sure.
I would be willing to bet the show host is *not* a pure capitalist. The MOMENT he's about to be eaten by someone bigger and more powerful with lousy market ideas "just because they can" -- he would be screaming "SHERMAN ACT" from the roof-tops.
As one example, it's always easy to say "Microsoft is the biggest because they're the best" when one owns stock while burying one's head in the sand concerning all the monopolistic abuses they engage in.
Of course, there are other examples - but I worked in IT back in the 90's during someone of Microsoft's most blatant abuses of their monopoly power. Just ask any IT person what "Embrace, extend, extinguish" means and who came up with it.
This is actually a good conversation, a debate with someone from the actual right.
I am very impressed Cenk.
I hope to see you on more right-leaning platforms
This is what needs to happen the fight is not left vs right it is rich vs poor people need to learn that
@@robertmiller32these guys are rich who’s the poor then? Billionaires being criticized by millionaires in the sake of us? Them millionaires just trying to reach billionaires but still need the little guy money and emotions for support.
@@KayRellz You know what i am saying stop acting stupid ...... or is it not a act?
Cenk is da man 👊💪💪💪💪💪💪
😅...🤡🤡🤡
@FrankD23 no explanation as to why he's not lol because you have nothing! 😂
@pauldessurault9243 Hes literally an oversized boss baby.. People like him is the reason why The country is so divided.😅
He hates Trump so much But their personalities are identical😅🤣😂
Is nobody going to point out that PBD used this same anecdote but with his kid saying the same thing? PBD has been extra grifty lately- scary stuff
Kumbaya on leaving Afghanistan! Happy to see an agreement from both…finally!
This should be the rule not the exception (this interview/debate). Two view points, talking about politics without all the vitriol. Respecting each other enough to push the conversation forward, without just sticking to partisanship. I know I don't agree fully with either of their ideals, but hearing the two of them agree on the real problems with government (both parties are corrupt to some extent, and neither fully) is refreshing and gets to the real issues plaguing the US government.
We actually had something that sort of did that called the Fairness Doctrine that applied to some parts of broadcast media, but it was repealled by Reagan and voted against by congress for supposedly violating "free speech." 🙄
The "Trump = no wars" argument has always been disingenuously stupid.
My many nearly got us into a beef with Iran, twice.
@@torntokoroa"Nearly"
Source: Trust me bro?
Violating international law and murdering their military leader was a super chill move very true!
@@justinthompson5548 The General that murdered US citizens? If Biden, Obama and Bush had the chance to take him out im 100% sure they would
He wanted us out of NATO,.
watched the full episode for the "of course" from cenk.
HE didn't let me down
It’s hard to follow this conversation, first he’s talking about unions and wages then he does a right turn into the movie and talking about nukes then takes a left turn and starts talking about Trump and Biden and getting out of Afghanistan. Like what’s your point?
That’s all of Bet David’s screeds. Ultimately he has a weak grasp of politics and history. He blends all kinds of shit together.
He changed direction because he can defends his own points on union cenk would have plastered him to the wall
@MEstylz you mean union buster Cenk Uygur? There's very little pro-union things he could say without being a total hypocrite.
@@johnryan6658 says who that he is union busting. Show me evidence
@@MEstylz you're lazy. Google search "Cenk Uygur union," and see what you find. Perhaps, the very 1st result. "Pro-union" Cenk tried to stop his own employees from unionizing.
Just bc russia didn't invade doesn't mean that they would not have invaded when he was president.
This is a great back and forth!!!
My opinion on nukes is that we’re safer with them than without them.
Without nukes and powerful weapons. Imperialism would still be a thing for larger/more powerful countries.
Look at Russia. Without nukes Russia would’ve already taken the Baltics.
And those nukes saved a lot of lives in WW2 (lesser evil option).
"I'm nuanced, but let's Make World War great again."
-Cenk
Where did he say that?
@MEstylz when he said that he believed we need to "help" Ukraine, which is a euphemism for supporting a proxy war with a nuclear power.
So it's alright for Russia to invade Ukraine, to be Russia is the reckless actor here. There was no real need to invade into ukraine. Yet they did. So because someone has nuclear power we should out out heads in the sand and do nothing. China should also just take Taiwan and Singapore since hand Chinese are the majority in both places. Common. Nuance matters.
So proxy wars with a nuclear power is the problem. Iran ran a proxy wars against America, in Iraq, they should have been afraid to be nuked. And also Iran is running a proxy war with Isreal with hezbollah so Isreal that's a confirmed nuclear power should nuke them. See where and how your argument falls off
@MEstylz first of all, it was provoked to do so for 8 years, if not the better part of 3 decades -- but we can't have that conversation. Secondly, the West has done more than enough to "help" Ukraine over the past 3 decades and especially since 2014. Finally, it's not my problem: the West shouldn't have anything to do with that situation to begin with. Any US or Western intervention there is inappropriate, unwarranted, and only serves to goad Moscow into being more belligerent. Frankly, I don't care if they push into the Baltics and Poland and beyond since these countries have acted like entitled revanchist delusional children in recent years. Keep the US out of any more wars. Period.
The US left heaps of stuff when they left Vietnam. The same with Afghanistan, You can't take out millions of bits of military equipment while the enemy is advancing & while you're getting out.
Its a stupid idea if you think they can. Its easy to take out all your equipment if you win. Not when you're holding the enemy at bay,. or losing. By definition you're getting out in a rush. Look at Dunkirk in 1940. like Vietnam, as clear & obvious examples.
They won in Afghanistan??? It's was being occupied, there was no front line. They could've easily done a methodical withdrawal. They litterally left soldiers behind stranded and ended up being killed, it was the worst withdrawal in history, how are you even defending it?
@@dartskihutch4033 It was a 20 year war. It was always going to be messy whoever the president was. Mind you that the withdrawal was done three months into the Biden administration. That didn't help either.
What also made it worse was that Trump's administration denied access to the Biden's team during the transition period which would've been critical for operations like this withdrawal. Not to mention the piss poor negotiation that Trump did with the Taliban to withdraw from Afghanistan was what made the messy situation became an impossible one. Trump really left Biden with an Afghan mountain to climb.
The movie is accurate. Truman was flippant about it in real life, why do you think Republicans like Bush and Cheney have praised him while in charge?
The thing about general solemani is that although there wasn’t an immediate reaction, does not mean there can’t/won’t be one down the line.
True, but that's not the point. Be honest in these conversations that's how we can bring people together from different points of view. Don't be disingenuous
@@jiveturkeylee how am I being disingenuous? This is true and a strong possibility, you’re that naive to think we’ll truly get away with assassinating our adversaries top general?
Love both shows and both personalities. Great video y'all made together 👏🏼
patrick had no idea whats goin on!
This might be one of the best political discussions i've ever seen. Major kudos to Cenk, I don't know the other guys, but if they're conservatives, i'm slightly shocked at how likeable they are! (well, the bearded guy with his Hunter Biden obsession, hmm...🙄)
There was no way to bring home all of that equipment. It would have taken years and billions of dollars and many American lives. It was and always is a strategic decision to leave equipment behind.
How did they get them there?
Both of these people have no understanding of the Evac of Kabul. The US military did not want to leave anything behind, but during a freakin evacuation there was simply no time to take back equipment that has simply become obsolete anyway, and these jokers totally forgot that the fact Marines were ordered to destroy and disable as much of the equipment as possible which they did. Even the BlackHawks were sabotaged beyond repair and the Taliban ended up crashing them, killing several of their own guys, add to this without a steady stream of replacement parts they are not getting those back in the air again compared to all the soviet equipment which is in much greater abundance...
I dont think any of these people have actually looked at photos of the Taliban. How broken their equipment is, how poorly they are trained... They were only able to seize Kabul because of the local security forces abandoning their posts and the fact we were leaving. They are insurgents, not an army...
I wish Cenk was more like this on his own show. He's talking like an adult here, instead of the loud, silly, child voices and noises he does on TYT. He is able to have a conversation where there is disagreement without pouting and yelling.
Agreed. And I don't know if you came here for PBD or for Cenk, but thank you. Actually this whole comment section has largely been positive and giving me hope. And these two should try to work together more IMO.
@@aaronsande I'm a lefty, but I like that PBD brings on and talks to people on the other side of him, so i'll watch when he does. He had on Sam Seder and Pakman as well.
I'm more of a Destiny/Pakman lefty, but, I like that TYT can have disagreements on their show, and I like the nuance they've given lately on some topics;, as well the pushback they've given to other lefties. BUT, Cenk's schtick is usually just impossible for me to take serous, or get through.
Then I see him talk with Destiny, PBD, and even Hasan, and he is totally personable, rational, and likeable.
My Goddd Oppenheimer was so good!! Absolutely rivetingg
i know right! my first time in a cinema for like 3 years
@@0452514 I canceled my Netflix a few months ago seeing how it's 19 bucks a month now! and apparently they still don't have money for writers!? Hmm .. Hahah this awesome theater near me does a movie pass for 22 a month unlimited movies, so I go at least 2-4 times a month. Glad you made it out to a showing!! It was rlly radd to see the theater poppin for Barbenhiemer summer bangers at the theater. I luvved feeling the energy of the audience while watching this one!
We did NOT leave $83 Billion of equipment. Most of it was worn out or destroyed or donated to the Afghan army.
The fact that Patrick brought up Burisma for a possible cause for WWIII or why we are helping Ukraine, he loses all credibility.
“Compassionate capitalist” or Social Democrat with policies from Scandinavia but better and more populist left. Social lefty libertarian, a free speech and I’m a patriot for 🇺🇸 flag , don’t have to salute it. It’s my 1st amendment right if I chose not to.
Stop them on the front line. Fight!
Imjusthappythatthesetwoguyscanhavethisconversation. America.
Great!
He agrees. Want a cookie... It's nice to talk to level headed and reasonable people who are willing to listen and not just pick a side to shut down the other. I wish tyt would do the same more often.
Did PBD compare worries about the risks of raising the capital gains rate to worries of a nuclear holocaust?…my brain hurts.
PBD is a grifter, that's what they do, whip the conversation his way.
I actually really like Patrick, I don’t agree much with his politics but seems like a cool dude
Democratic capitalist 😂. No such thing capitalism IS undemocratic! The other guy is as he called himself a pure capitalist. The efer does not belive in democracy but hierarchical, classed based, and so on.
Yes, the anti-democratic character is the definitive fundamental of capitalism. Indeed, I’m inclined to call what most people mean by the latter term the “modern form of” capitalism in the more fundamental sense.
@@philliphessel6788 you do that bud.
The modern form was initially in the bigger picture - by enabling a greater number of smaller tyrannies, along with a bigger market - relatively more democratic than feudalism.
However, its taking control of the industrial revolution reduced democracy by driving out the household-level socialism of family enterprises.
The formal government beyond the firms became more democratic with the workers securing the franchise for themselves - but again, that formal democracy gave way to real oligarchy with plutocrats’ corruption of politicians.
Growing upon Colorado below Cheyenne Mountain. And NORAD. I was frightened, that any day that place would be their FIRST, and their biggest target. But that was before we had modern satellites tracking if missiles are mobile. But I grew with that fear, and respect for nuclear war. The sound of a klaxon triggers me.
Good for UPS!!!
What movie are they talking about?
Oppenheimer
The corruption in Zelenskyy's government needs to be addressed before more aid is given to them and an audit system needs to be established as well. Otherwise, this country is bound to repeat the same mistake that happened in Afghanistan.
We're not allowed to have that conversation. Even the most nuanced critique of having a proxy war with a nuclear power gets you accused of being a Russian bot, a Putin apologist, a right-winger, etc. We all better keep our mouths shut and keep handing over money and resources to Europe's most corrupt country without questioning it.
@JohnSmith-ez9xq
Yes. You would like the mistake in Afghanistan to repeat again and again. Do you know how much damage that mistake caused to the people of Afghanistan, their country, and ours?
Why do you choose to believe Zelenskyy more than the former elected president of Afghanistan? Is it because one of them is a self-proclaimed "white" Christian while the other is a "brown" Muslim?
let's also remember that trump helped to release 5k taliban prisoners and they would need to be recaptured ( maybe invite them all to camp david)
Did nato move east or did independent countries choose for themselves to move west?
They forcefully joined nato?😂😂
Unfortunately, the real situation of Eastern Europe is to be a forward base (if only informally) either of NATO or of Russia.
PBD may have agreed on some things here but he’s exceedingly bad faith in most interactions with those he disagrees with. That or he’s extremely dumb
Well he's a Republican so....
Both, my favorite is when someone insults his daddy trump, he turns red in the face on the brink real tears... NOW THATS WHAT I CALL VALUETAINMENT... lol... Boot licking clown.
Bingo, got em
We need to start taking care of our own. We need to get rid of the old guard first whether it's father time or elections.
Any manager, owner of a business, strategic planner would have said the way we left Afganistan was poorly planned. Period. The ignorance was unbelievable. That required an a to z playbook, and it was poorly thought out. By the way, its not the equipment it's the people we left behind in harms way, people who died or will die and the soldiers who died because it was a cluster f$c& and you're logically challenged if you can't see that the process was weak.
Trump nearly went to war with Iran…
And the Democrats went to war with half if the Middle East.
He also assassinated a foreign officer 😂
@@unionofsawho? What democrats?
@@unionofsa Since when was BUSH Sr and BUSH Jr Democrats??
Pure capitalism has never existed in the US. If it did the economy would have collapsed a long time ago. We’ve always had a mixed system with a capitalist base. Even at our worst.
Unchecked capitalism turns into a feudal system if left unchecked. The government is supposed to keep it reigned in and protect the citizens from shady business practices. Instead our politicians have been bought by the very entities they are supposed to keep on the level.
If trump is so anti-war, what im worried is trump is going to put his hands up and let them in. remember he admires these fascist leaders. He's on the same side, the side of fascism, so I am worried he's going to let Russia, North korea, and russia in.
I don't think you know what fascism is.
Truman was not flippant in reality. His call to Acheson, which he did not say in person, was that if Oppenheimer thinks he has blood on his hands, I had to make the goddamn decision. Truman did escalate thermonuclear technology, but it’s not simple
Video starts with Patrick talking about unions. I was waiting for him to mention about when The Young Turks employees trying to unionize..............
What movie 🎥 are they referencing
They were talking about Oppenheimer starring Cillian Murphy
Barbie.
Do she know that his people right here in this country and they get clowned everyday
Honestly as a lefty it seemed that our withdrawal was sloppy. I am glad we got outta there but it was messy, and likely could have been done better.
Trump blew up Iran’s military director and laughed about how he ate chocolate cake
Exactly!!
Do you know why he did it though?? Serious question even the cake comment he made was layered 😂
Based 💪🏽🇺🇸
And Biden talked about ice cream when WW3 could have happened.
Technically, Iran thought they struck back. Didn’t they hit a passenger plane thinking it wasn’t civilian. Plus, they bombed our base. We moved our troops to the open fields out of the buildings because they had the intelligence they were going to be bombed.
shhhh ;)
They did hit the base and although there was no deaths but several service men got TBI and minor injuries.
3:42 we have a defense agreement with Ukraine. By giving up their massive nuclear stockpile we agreed to honor their sovereignty and to defend them from outside threats. It’s called The Budapest Memorandum.
Was great to see the discussion regarding leaving Afghanistan I've had with discussion with republican colleagues before. I always mention to consider the body count. We lost 17 service members in the withdrawal RIP It's tragic we lost them. Now consider how many we we have lost being there and how many more we would have lost had we continued to stay there. Was somewhat mind blowing point from Cenk regarding oh we wanted to leave all that equipment behind because then we can say well since we lost all tht we'll have to invest in making moreee. Great interview I needa peep the full thingg
We never should have left until the Taliban was gone. If it takes 50 years, it takes 50 years.
@@johnryan6658 Do u consider urself patriotic and that you care about the lives of US service members? Because ur arguing for the death of more US soldiers. I could look at the ratio during a year when we were the most active and multiply it by 50 tell me if you like tht number u little authoritarian fucc face .
@@johnryan6658 sorry but it's really frustrating for me to hear tht you honestly believe tht. I hope you have a legit reason for why you feel how you feel..
@@Nobodynuthinnowhere we fought Germany and Japan in WW2, and we're still there. When was the last time we had trouble from either of them? We stopped North Korea's invasion of South Korea, and we're still there. When was the last time North Korea tried to invade South Korea?
Staying works. We should have stayed in Afghanistan until anyone who remembers what it was like to live under Taliban rule has died of old age.
@@johnryan6658 Germany and Japan both started the war. Their people understood that they started the war. They got beat militarily and gave up their aspirations to take over the world. Thats a hell of a lot different than what happened in Afghanistan. We started the war with Afghanistan. We outsted the Taliban who did nothing to the USA other than refuse to turn over terrorists. The government we put into place was corrupt as all hell because no righteous/good people would take that job without serious financial benefits. The people of Afghanistan would NEVER change...just like the people of Vietnam. Corrupt propped up by US government is never going to be considered by the people to be valid.
trump negotiated with the taliban separaetly without the afghan gov
Luckily The X-Men were there to save the world back in the 1960s.
PBD is exactly what s wrong with America!
Did U happen to see his interview with Anthony Weiner? Im sure you would defend Anthony as well.
@@billhair9552 no what a dumb assumption. I think you love Weiners. lol
@@billhair9552 you love weiners and tasting them
Is he talking about Oppenheimer or some other movie that I or anybody probably never heard of.
Barbie
The Trump no wars thing is only true because Iran didn’t return fire.
That's what Cenk said.
Imagine if Iran assassinated an American general…I rest my case
@@Antebios wrote it before I heard it.
I love how these guys always talk about foreign policy like the rest of the world (outside of two or three superpowers) has no agency whatsoever. Listen, my brothers: Ukraine is an independent nation. A free nation. Just like your country. It makes foreign policy decision like all the other nations.
It would not exist the US supplying it.
How is this guy from Iran and named Patrick Bet-David?