Top 10 Worst Starter Pokémon to Pick
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The Top 10 WORST starter Pokemon (based on how useful they are to pick)
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It's fine that you're bi, we still accept you.
Ok
@@Curruptedgaming3524 Michael is a total daddy and clearly secretly LGBT, a person's relationship status has nothing to do with their sexuality.
@@smb-c3po what and I don’t care because I am gay
Since not gaining secondary type was a big deal for this video it would be cool if you did a video where you gave all the starters a secondary type
See, the thing that bothers me with a lot of the Pokémon community is how much people seem to think being a mono type Pokemon is the worst thing ever, including the starters. Not every Pokémon needs 2 types
@@EpicRandomness555 no one said its the worst thing and they need them. It's a disadvantage in this particular scenario for the purposes of this list that only takes into account a single Pokémon, of course it would be better in most cases to have dual typing when looking at a single Pokémon, just as it would be less of an advantage when looking at the typing of a team of Pokémon, but this isn't about teams, it's about specific individual starters.
@@TheLostVikingr Also, I'd assume this "secondary type" would be a regional form so it wouldn't matter competitively if you prefer the monotype anyway. Though i'd also add that it shouldn't just be for monotype mons, but for ALL the starters to be fair.
That’s a pretty good Idea. I’d give Blastoise the steel type if I could.
Eh, but most of em have secondary types alteady
"Chespin ain't do anything to Vivillion", one of the first moves it learns is rollout, it's 4x super effective against vivillion
Chespin is unironically the best base starter evolution in a playthrough since rollout gives it coverage against 4 of its weaknesses
Appreciate the likes and the engagement in the comments😂
It's not stab and requires multiple uses to make a difference
@@eljordinio7647 and Vivillon cant do anything back, so unless rollout misses, its a free kill. Even then your gonna use rollout against Surskit, so its likely on its 3rd or 4th roll already
@@eljordinio7647usually a 2 hit KO and even if you miss, infestation is not that strong. Even the residual damage.
@@TheGodIvy that's facts
Tip for Yellow: trade the yellow rat to yourself in either Red or Blue, evolve it, teach it Body Slam from TM 08, trade it back to Yellow. Big upgrade and the only downside is Raichu doesn't walk around with you
Granted, you may wanna hold off on the evolution until lv.26, because then it can learn Thunderbolt without needing the tm. Aside from that, and getting the gift Bulbasaur, there’re no reasons to NOT force it to evolve, unless you literally lack the means of trading it.
Edit: Also, the evolution will work even if you trade it to another copy of Yellow, so long as the trainer ID is different from the Pikachu’s OT ID.
Was going to say the same - Won't follow you after you evolve it though
@user-st7sl1xs4u but you can destroy everything with TM 08 so oh well if it doesn't follow 😉
that said I think this kills the joy and intent of playing Yellow
@@urieldaboamorte Intentionally hanidcapping yourself with a mon that refuses to evolve doesn't sound like a joyful experience. Personally, getting to obtain all three Kanto starters without trading is the joyful aspect of playing Yellow.
Another issue Charmander has in Red/Blue is that fire didn’t resist ice in gen 1, so Charizard is also weak to Lorelei’s ice moves in addition to her water moves.
Is this really true???? If so, thats just sad.
Actually, that’s an error. This one poketuber called SmithPlaysPokemon talked about it and said that it’s just a text error. Charizard does take neutral damage from ice, but the displayed text says super effective
@@thegamedanalyst2169 I knew about the text error, where only the type effectiveness against a Pokémon’s secondary type is displayed. But Bulbapedia has the gen 1 type chart with ice neutral against fire. Unless that is a mistake.
@@SweetBananaDigitalit’s not a mistake, in gen 1 the type chart was a little different. For example, the aforementioned fire not resisting ice as well as bug and poison both being super effective against each other. There only one that was a bug was psychic being immune to ghost.
@@biannualcube2704 That’s what I thought.
9:20, on paper Chespin’s Viola matchup seems like it’s bad. But given that chespin learns rollout. It makes the gym an absolute cakewalk. Froakie actually has the hardest time with that gym
That's true 🤔🤔
I was just about to say that :(
It still can miss it though
@@buusinhojr.9555 I mean yeah but it’s not going to die in 1 infestation. And Vivillion has a deadly allergy to geology
The AI could also be dumb & go for Harden instead, not clicking Infestation every time while facing Chespin.
So what I've learned is that I instinctively gravitate towards the underdogs.
Saying we all saw Chikorita coming, I'm more surprised it wasn't in the top slot. I do really hate how Chiko got so done over. I do love its line
Then postgame 2x 1x for kanto gyms
it's not surprising regardless since it's widely seen as the worst starter of all time due to how Chikorita is completely useless in it's home region having 0 winning match up's outside of Chuck's poliwrath and Bruno's onix.
honestly i wouldn't be surprised if someone picked chikorita in a Johto game...and ended up either restarting their save or boxed it because of how it doesn't get a single chance to shine
It sucks though because I love Chikorita
@@kittenoffire3325true, chikorita is my favorite pokemon and I'm really sad about how gamefreak has treated her over the years
Chikorita deserves a fairy typing.
It just deserves better after all these years. It deserves to be the cute little precious Princess it always should have been.
You forgot to mention something about Charizard. That steel type wasn't even there in the original games.
Not that it matters (much)
Did they give it metal claw early bc of the first gym in that gen
@@Sheenifier They gave that line metal claw in the remakes during gen 3 but in gen 1 steel type didn't even exist. It was introduced in gen 2 and Magnemite and Magneton were given the type retroactively.
@@Confron7a7ion7 I was talking about gen 3
@@Sheenifier IDK, probably. They never really tell us why they do things but that would make sense.
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."- Karen, Pokemon Gold/Silver.
Me with Snivy
Time to pick the weed cat.
(Note: Sprigatito (And By extension, Meowscarada) Broke SEVEN SCARLET / VIOLET SPEEDRUN RECORDS IN 1 DAY)
Jigglypuff ftw!
@@MoonlarkSpirits right i love snivy . i will always pick it in a unova game not matter what. its only beaten by spriggatito as fave grass type
You are clearly not on team Valor in Pokemon go. I'm guessing you are Mystic (Raven claw,) or team Instinct aka Hufflepuff.
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Don’t make Wolfeyvgc commit suicide
That's very balanced
Jesus😂😂😂
Sir this is a worst starters video
VGC players describing why they hate Gens 7 and 8
Not to also mention by selecting Squirtle in Kanto, you give your rival Bulbasaur which will end up knowing a move that can put your team to sleep
It won't out speed your Squirtle. Plus, you'll have other measures of dealing with it.
@@LittleAl016you can deal with it but it will be hard I played these games like 50 times and played with different starter each time and always venasur and makes my team go to sleep yeah I have fire types to counter it but it is annoying
@@Ruinousria It's not as hard as you think. Given that you'll likely be outspeeding Venusaur, and have enough coverage to get him in a few enough hits. In all honesty, Exeggutor is more annoying than Venusaur.
@@LittleAl016 you ain't killing that ivysaur in one hit
Victreebel and Exeggutor are better in gen 1. Victreebel has wrap spam and also has razor leaf and sleep spam and exeggutor is part psychic so obviously it’s broken
He forgets about water types access to ice beam which is a significant help for coverage
But Ice Beam is a late TM move in some of the games (particularly Gen V Black and White). I'm pretty sure Mikey emphasized on the early gyms for his judgment for picks in this video.
@@ryanprjgamingchannel9437 To be fair gen 5 is a whole different breed of game in terms of scaling😅
But anywho, just cuz it's late doesn't mean it doesn't remain useful. water type also has awesome type coverage as well.
@@XAaronymousX But... Water types are so replacable...
You could run Gyarados on any team for your water type. Except in the Unova games where it is locked to postgame, fo that one best water type is Seismitoad... who is part water and ground and is only weak to the uncommon grass coverage
@@ryanprjgamingchannel9437you could argue that literally ANY Pokemon is "so replaceable" because you could literally replace any Pokemon with one of the same type... Yeah, that's how the games work! So that point you tried to make is irrelevant tbh.
@@negligible_reality Yeah. You don't need to keep your Starter through all the way to endgame. Case in point as Unova region can attest, since I would rather have Darmanitan as my Fire-type, Lilligant (or Whimsicott) for filler Grass-type, and Seismitoad for Water-type.
I bet the thumbnail will change
It better (or else)
It already did
Yes
Facts
And to Chikorita probably
Chespin is actually not as bad of a starter for the first Kalos gym because it gets access to Rollout pretty early on, making it pretty easy to sweep Viola. I've done it before and it was awesome
Vivillon's Infestation is her only supereffective move against Chespin and it's not going to OHKO Chespin
@@fadhilmulyono9230 no but the damage will add up and if U miss a rollout or surskit gets a crit with quick attack beforehand, chespin will be in trouble
Thing is with kanto squirtle, you learn bite right around the time you fight Misty and her Starmie, you then learn dig and can easily clean the electric gym. it can also learn ice beam and solo the elite four. It is the starter for a solo playthrough of firered or leaf green imo;
Charmander struggles a lot more throught the game, only having one easy gym and two elite four members who either wall ( Lance) or threaten (Lorelei)
i sadly agree that it's the only starter that's easily replaceable ( early magikarp, other grass/fire options weaker than the starter)
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You're typically not using another Water Pokémon other than Blastoise if you have chose Squirtle, though.
To be fair to the pikachu in yellow.... there is a HECK of a lot of pokemon between the gyms that are sensitive to electric attacks.
Yeah Pikachu can practically solo Mount Moon.
Yeah, I have a feeling Michael based this on a theoretical on-paper assessment rather than playing through the games. I'm sure he's played through the games, but I don't think he heavily relied on his experiences to come up with the list.
For example: Squirtle does not belong on this list. On paper you say "weak to the 3rd and 4th gyms, that's too much of a struggle too early." Except:
1) The squirtle line has the best early coverage movepool once you account for TMs. It's the only one of the three that has a decent STAB move in bubblebeam and gets both body slam and dig.
2) Dig provides good coverage against Surge. Also, as long as you have ANY ground type on your team at all, Wartortle only needs to beat the Voltorb and the Pikachu. Surge's Raichu can't damage ground types, so even a Geodude from Mt. Moon auto-wins against it. More likely, you'll have a Diglett or Dugtrio from Diglett's Cave right there. We're assuming you're largely using your starter, but can use other Pokemon if it's little effort. You don't need to put any effort into training the Diglett or Geodude, just catch them and use them for that one battle.
3) Before facing Erika, you had to get through Rock Tunnel, and probably ventured into the Rocket hideout and/or Pokemon Tower. If you're not super-optimizing your run, Blastoise will likely be in the 40's by this point, so Erika's level 29 Victreebell and Vileplume will not be pertinent. If you are super-optimizing your run, you either know that Erika can be delayed or know to get/use Ice Beam.
4) The other starters have their own setbacks that are even worse. Venusaur gets ZERO coverage and can only learn grass or normal moves (well, and status moves). Also, around 70% of the non-gym trainer pokemon you face before leaving Vermillion are bug, flying, poison, or fire types, so your best damage-dealing move most of the time in the early game is....Tackle. Meanwhile, Charizard doesn't learn a STAB move better than Ember until either reaching level 46 or beating Blaine.
@@cathygrandstaff1957 But considering that Pikachu starts to fall off once you reach Koga, why would you want to use it at Mt. Moon? Like, the strongest foe Pikachu can handle by itself is Lorelei, and that's it.
@@LittleAl016 Hey I used Pikachu all through Pokémon Yellow and didn’t have a problem with it. Then again I used Iron to boost the heck out of its defense so it could take hits as well as boosting special. Besides, it’s worth having it along to talk to and interact with, you’re missing everything that makes Yellow special if you don’t keep Pikachu in your party.
@@cathygrandstaff1957 I didn't say anything about taking Pikachu out of your party, now did I?
Chikorita: "sighs" here we go again
Based battles 2 pfp
Maybe if you learn some moves, you wouldn't be in the box!
Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrr Stake
You forgot to bring up how Charmander in Fire Red and Leaf Green was specifically given Metal Claw just so it could have a way to deal with Brock.
But onix and geodude have high defenses making metal claw a 3-4 hit KO on each as its not stab. Charmander needs to survive rock tombs for that long.
Onix and Geodude didn't really have much Special (Defense) to withstand an Ember spam.
To everyone who replies, I made this comment to help further prove why Charmander is the worst starter in Kanto
@@ShadowKnight5204 And you're wrong. It's actually Bulbasaur.
@@LittleAl016bulbasuar is the best in kanto
Funny how you talk about Meganium getting bullied by your rival and didn't acknowledge Bulbasaur gets even worse treatment. Between Pidgeot, Alakazam, Eggsecutor, and Charizard being super effective against Bulbasaur and Gyarados resisting Bulbasaur, your rival exists to harass Bulbasaur.
If only Aurorus existed, Blue would be in trouble.
Bulbasaur is still useful. Meganium isn’t. :0
In gen 1 and remakes bulbasaur is useful. In gen 2 and remakes chikorita doesn’t have anything going for it because of both gym and rival battles.
@@DarkEclipse23 Meganium is pretty decent in gen 2 due to its bulk and eveyone using weak moves. It gets destroyed in the gen 4 remakes tough.
In both blue/red and fire red leaf green exeggutor doesn't have a psychic move and is weak to poison.
To add insult to injury, Meganium doesn’t even get the full extent of its revenge when you go to Kanto, as Giovanni, the Ground Type specialist, is replaced by Blue, who has a Type diverse team that overall does slightly better against Meganium than Typhlosion.
Turtwig fans: "WOOO!!! NOT US!!"
Truuuuuuue while I am a chimchar fan more than a turtwig fan the bulk on that turtle boy is friggen awesome and when it gets the best ground type stab move on evolution means if it can tank infernapes flare blitz (which as I stated that Effin bulk) it can actually hard counter said infernape with eq. Just don’t put it anywhere near Candice’s gym and you’re good to go
I love torterra but with 2 fire types and a gazillion water types. You'd be dumb not to take chimchar
@@La_Verge I mean, meh? Yea in diamond and pearl true but with platinum adding another few to the point where you could actually have flint have an almost full fire type team it’s a little easier to pick torterra. Not saying you’re wrong just saying it depends.
WHY MEEE WHYYYY ME
@@beyondawesomegaming3517Infernape gets Overheat.
Pokemon Yellow came out long before solo runs were popular. In order to beat Brock, they added Mankey to an early game route, and made Butterfree learn Confusion two levels sooner. They also gave Pikachu a lot more level up moves like Thunderbolt.
We were mostly excited about being able to play the anime. We got all three starters, fought Jessie and James, and we could get the coveted Surfing Pikachu in Pokemon Stadium. Then when Gen 2 came out, they added held items and we got a Light Ball if we transferred over the partner Pikachu.
They also gave Double Kick to the Nidos (which are early game along with Mankey)
Technically, "solo runs" were popular since the first time a kid who either couldn't read or didn't like reading skipped the tutorial text and didn't know how to catch more Pokémon so just ran with their starter 25+ levels ahead of anything else they managed to get ahold of.
Ash’s Pikachu has the stats of a Raichu so it won’t evolve into one
You underestimate Sprigatito. Yes, grass has a lot of weaknesses, but a 70 power move that always crits on a Pokémon with crazy high speed is *busted.* Who cares if you have low defenses and are weak to the opponent? You're just going to one-shot it, anyway.
I'd say that Quaxly is the worst of the Paldea starters. Physical water types are generally worse than special water types, and Aqua Step is only an okay move.
Also tera type exists in paldea so u can just change meowscarada's typing.
@@Svithi.N.98 Ehhhh, yes, but actually no. Your starter Sprigatito defaults to grass tera type, and you can't reasonably change it until late/post game.
@@Celestia282 true. But you can technically grind for tera shards if u want and change tera type in Larry's town once u beat the gym
@@Celestia282 but at least pure grass type is better than Grass-Dark
@@Celestia282 Larry gives you 50 Normal Tera Shards for beating his gym, Hassel gives you 50 Dragon, and Tyme gives you 50 Rock for completing their stories.
Normal Tera for Meowscarada is terrible, but you didn't day anything about good Tera type choices.
Hugs Squirtle "Don't listen to the bad man my precious wee guy"
"Chikorita has no usefulness outside of the first two gyms"
Whitney's Miltank says hi.
I used a Bayleef against her and won fairly easily.
Also something something Chespin learns Rollout.
Ok, so it's not just me. I played Silver when it first came out and picked Chikorita. And I don't remember having any problems with Whitney at all. (Granted, that was over 20 years ago now, but if it was as traumatic for me as it was for Mikey, I'd probably remember it. 😆)
@@AllenMS828Yeah Bayleef can definitely help against Whitney. Ideally Geodude and/or Muscle the Machop will help even more, but Bayleef can still contribute.
I actually did a Chikorita run a while back in Silver and beat Whitney on my first try, although that's probably because I had to overlevel to beat Bugsy. I leveled it up to level 29 to beat him by spamming Body Slam. Thank God for emulator speed up.
@@dawnsbunearyoh wow you suck
Yeah, the major issue with this video is that it only does a surface level inspection instead of a full deep dive. While it doesn’t actually matter which Pokémon you choose as your starter as each gym has a counter usually right next to it, picking Meganium is legitimately choosing to play on easy mode as it walls so many difficult fights. Especially Whitney and Claire.
Justice for Meganium, man. She really had it rough in Johto playthroughs as well as people hating on her because they think she "sucks". I am NOT one of those, but she should've gotten some love like a regional variant or something. She also deserved the Fairy type! Imagine, if that were a reality, people would hate on her less. 😥
man i agree, i love it but it just needs a regional to give it a better stat spread and the fairy type then it will finally stop getting flamed by people
I'd still not really like it because, FAIRY TYPING IS COMPLETELY DUM AND UNNECESSARY!!! My first Pokemon game was Yellow Version, and I still easily beat Lance without Fairy types.
Maybe it'll get into Legends Z-A and also get a Mega Evolution. Then we'll get to say Mega Meganium.
@@montyeggman3075 yeah i hope they do that for the gen 2 starters. and mega meganuim is fun to say
aRe YoU aSsUmEiNg ThEiR gEnDeR?!
Ok no but I’ve always loved meganiums design and I wish it was better.
In kanto,the best one is squirtle, he can learn ice beam and earthquake, compare to bulbasaur and charmander, the game is a lot lot easier if you choose squirtle
Maybe later on. But the idea of “best starters” is usually gauges by the first third of the game difficulty. But best starter doesn’t mean your methods are wrong. :3
@@DarkEclipse23 even if its the first third of the game, charmander is the hardest one to use, gym leader are rock,water,electric
@@MrPanaz It's actually Bulbasaur that's the hardest to use.
You have no reason to keep using Pikachu once you get the eevee in celadon. Jolteon is often debated as to whether it’s better than Zapdos in gen 1. And with Surge giving you thunderbolt, you have great stab right off the bat.
There's also no reason to keep using Pikachu once you get your Nido up to snuff, I.E. once it learns Double Kick. And/or catch a Clefairy, make sure it learns Sing on level up, and then evolve it to Clefable.
If having an Electric type is somehow a must, though, there's also Zapdos and Jolteon.
Speedruners are gonna be pissed as soon as soon as he says Squirtle for Kanto
And he's flat out wrong for doing that.
@@LittleAl016 indeed
@@LittleAl016 Squirtle is the best starter
@@Wesfiton No 💩, Sherlock.
“Chespin ain’t doing anything to Vivillion”
Rollout:
What's worse about Pikachu is that it doesn't have ability, meaning If you want to paralyze a speedy pokemon you just hope you survive a hit or outspeed it
I feel like y'all hating on Pikachu but this pokemon yellow so ability and the special and physical state just special so yeah
@demarrionberry3676 like I said, cough, he's a Pikachu hater, 😢😢 cough, LOL 😆 😂 🤣
@demarrionberry3676 op said pikachu doesn't have the ability, meaning you have to outspeed or survive a hit to use thunder wave. Pikachu doesn't have held items, so no light ball, and you don't have the same access to mankey, just nidoran. Even if you do, you still need to spend a ton of time lowering Onyx stats, because both are glass cannons. Onyx has bide exclusively as an attacking move, and you are pretty much locked into growl and tail whip because it also has harden. This means you have to depend on rng exclusively to beat Brock, because you don't get access to ANY water or grass types before this gym in yellow. Take the rose tinted glasses off, man. That game was sadistic to kids.😂😂😂
@@leohawk776”rng exclusive?” Get outta here. Just get nidoran to a decent level (I literally just get it high enough to learn double kick and that’s it) and 9 times out of 10 it 1 shots geodude and 2 shots onix also bide takes a random amount of turns in gen 1 instead of the solid 2 so he could literally bide first turn and never get the chance to unleash cause it’s dead before then. Plus (even though it may not apply here) ever heard of the badge boost glitch? Double team 6 times with pikachu and all stats are now at +6 till either pikachu levels up mid fight or the fight ends. I don’t care what Pokémon you’re using. At +6 everything you’re fine
@beyondawesomegaming3517 nidoran doesn't learn double kick until LATE in gen 1, my guy. Gen 2 is when it goes down to level 12. Take it down a notch, noob.
Ah ah ah!
Chespin wrecks the first gym as it learns Rollout, a ROCK move. In fact, Chespin breezes through the first two gyms that both Froakie and Fenniken struggle with.
Fennekin struggles in a Bug gym how?
He's probably referencing surskit being an issue for fennekin but to be honest any of the starters do good against the gym
@@zeusoi2854 Viola's first 'mon is Surskit, which has water STAB, and is hit by fire for neutral instead of super effective.
@@tamarjaeger It also has Water Sport
@@zeusoi2854 bcz of Water Sport but the wording was wrong as Fennekin doesn't struggle
Squirtle is used in fire red speedruns, idk how it’s on this list 😭
Fire red isn’t the only thing it’s talked about in for kanto
@@yoshihell4160 Nevertheless, Squirtle shouldn't be on this list.
@@yoshihell4160it’s used in red and blue speed runs too, and let’s go is literally a game made for 4 year olds so you can win easily with any of the 3 should you choose them so I’m pretty sure that’s all of kanto. Also blastoise either goes neutral or resists 6 out of the 8 gyms and blastoise has the best coverage out of all the starters being able to learn Ice beam mega punch bite (in gen 3) along with a plethora of tms and in gen 1 it gets friggen eq meaning except misty you can hit every gym supereffectifely. Like you gotta call this man the chadstoise bro. And that’s not just me saying that, that’s “smith plays Pokémon” who did a video on the best starter for every mainline game and used literally every statistic imaginable to prove that blastoise is actually the BEST for kanto. No matter the kanto game.
Yeah Game Freak was just thinking "kids love the anime, Pikachu sells, and thus Yellow was tossed out and nobody gave it a second glance until they realized they do NOT get Ash's exact Pikachu like the anime XD
Micheal's thumbnail's simplicity contributes a lot to the success of his videos. He is my Favourite poketuber and will always be. Thank you for everything
if only he put actual research in his videos as well, like saying Chespin is bad in the Bug gym when it literally learns Rollout at lvl 8
@@theamazingspooderman2697 this guy is an entertainer. He's a RUclipsr first. If his inaccuracies get him comments like yours, you're giving him one more comment he wouldn't have received otherwise. But you do you 🤷
@@theamazingspooderman2697 He also said "Wartortle isn't helping much in Misty's Gym" when HE LITERALLY KNOWS BITE BY THE TIME HE FACES MISTY. Also, did he just straight up forget that Blastoise can learn Ice Beam? And did he just straight up forget that Lapras requires grinding in order to be usable?
@@abrarkadabrar7829 he is just plain wrong, that's what I'm saying, also 1-2 comments won't boost him that much as I didn't used to comment until
I love how Squirtle, the best Kanto starter for speedrunning, made it into this list.
The best Kanto starter, period.
Squirttle is my favorite Kanto starter. I watched farther on and he is basically naming all my favorite starters 😢
I like squirtle too
you just like hard mode. And it's Pokemon so hard mode is still easy so....
Worst of all is that smith plays analyses the game and he pick squirtle as the best starter
I like squirtle bulbasuar and charmander.
@@doodle1488I’ve been doing the math myself for my own project and Squirtle is fundamentally the best Gen 1 starter by far
9:21 chespin learns rollout pretty early on so it can deal with Vivillon pretty well
True but it's not stab and it could just miss with 90 accuracy.
Mine OHKO’d vivillon with rollout
If you train Warrturtel to level 19 it learns bite and it can beat Misty easy.
Not in Gen 1, though. Bite didn't become Dark until Gen 2.
'the gym matchups barely matter at this point' was the best line
When sprigatito got on number 10 I was dying laughing because I did a poll tournament on a Pokemon fandom wiki and sprigatito won the whole thing against mudkip
it probably people who dont care about the pokemon being good in game cuz (maybe unpopular opinion)sprigatito looks cooler then mudkip
@@karthiksreeram1593 Doesnt matter meowscarada is too fast and hits too hard with flower trick. There is no world where it comes anywhere near this list. None of the gen 9 starters should.
@@jacksonmunro1925 yup
I’m pretty sure he was ranking the weakest choice per starter options. (Including B2W2, XY Kanto starters, Legends, etc)
That said, I’m not 100% on board that Sprigatito is the worst choice, but Fuecoco sweeps so weed cat is not the best either
@@jacksonmunro1925 average glass cannon enjoyer :
Grass Starters got the shaft among the starters it seems.
Including Bulbasaur, despite what this video would have you believe.
*When Michael realizes that Chespin is the best starter in Viola because it gets Rollout*
Fr like he doesn’t even mention the moves they’re able to learn and is just going off of types
@@adrianhandley9895 coverage is great but it's stab moves that get more damage in
@@eljordinio7647 if the move kills, it doesnt metter if they do not have stab
@@Joao.Ramiro sometimes it does
Sure, Chespin beats Viola, but does that make Chesnaught better than Delphox or Greninja?
Finally, Chikorita is 2nd. Work hard for dat 3rd place ma boy.
Kanto Squirtle did not deserve to be on this list, because it destroys Giovanni in every encounter with him. It also has the benefit that Surf is a very strong Special attack that every player will get in order to beat the game. Granted, that's probably part of the reason he was listed early, but I still think there's a huge gap between Squirtle and the other Pokemon here. (Maybe not Sprigatito, I picked one in Scarlet and have no idea how much better the other options are.)
Ah yes, those pesky steel types in gen1. Not as annoying as dark types, but sheesh! At least you can counter the fairy types with them.
Lmao
Meganium: "Oh boy, here we go again"
No, no Blastoise. Calm down. I’m sure the nice man on this video didn’t mean to put your evolutionary line on here twice. Let’s just put your cannons back in your shell, nice and easy. There isn’t that bett- oh no don’t use skull bash!
I11 saw it too
Another thing against Pikachu in Yellow Version is that the electric type is virtually useless in Kanto. I mean, the only time electric is useful is against water/flying types (of which there is ONE in all of the major plot battles in Kanto, Lance's Gyarados).
So you see
Chespin ks technically weak to the first gym, it gets rollout within the level cap, which is more often than not enough to kill a 4x weak Vivillon
Idc how bad snivy is in his games.. i will always love and protect my boy
A little saving grace for Chespin is that it can sweep Viola in 3 turns with rollout, which it gets a level 8
14:26 I always thought Meganium looks like it could be Fairy Type so I really hope it gets a regional variant where it becomes a Fairy Type.
Could have a Grass/Fairy mega evolution
Mega Meganium?!
6:21 surf with a confuse chance sounds pretty useful TBH
Meowscarada was my starter, and VERY helpful, I don't know how it is the worst. Meowscarada Supremacy!
Also I did a solo run of Fire Red using only the Charizard line, and tbh, it wasn't difficult except for the rival fights, where Charizard had to take a hit or two before killing Blue's Blastoise, but after Giovanni gave me Earthquake, my level 90 Charizard easily beat the league. Also I got a chansey in the Safari Zone first ball and it held a Lucky Egg. (I used three HM Pokémon and two meowth for items, but never fought with them)
It has way too many weaknesses
Skeledirge is 100% the best starter in S/V.
Michael, how dare you start with Sprigatito... I LOVE SPRIGATITO
At least he said sprigatito isn't bad it's just that he has few options
( I have sprigatito in Pokemon Violet )
The measure are relied on early fight since that is where starter mater the most
Meowscarada will still be pretty busted later anyways
Sprigatito is best stater for speedruning
Even Sada and Turo has a huge advantage against it.
I think it's worth noting that mutual resistance actually works in one's favor. For example, one reason Wartortle can be good against Misty is that you force Staryu and Starmie to rely on weaker Normal-type attacks that run off their less-good Attack stat, while Wartortle can use Tackle or Bite. Just because you can't hit them neutrally with your STAB doesn't mean you aren't able to force the opponent to use less-optimal moves.
I was stubborn with my first playthrough of Scarlet and decided "If I can do all the battles in any order, I'm going to do them clockwise, starting at the bottom of the map" Needless to say, after the first gym, I felt no drawbacks to picking Sprigatito
If miltank ever became a starter pokemon, our boy will have a breakdown
Grass/Normal calf pokemon based on the soy plant with the Protean ability
My guess before viewing would be Chikorita cause yeah…
7:47 zebstrika chilling with flame charge
I have NOT gotten a recommendation from you in a while holy
Oshawott over Errybody
Piplup over everybody 😅😂❤
my favorite starter is the car thing from pokemon snap
Wow
Y’know, people always say Meganium is the worst in-game starter (and it is), but Serperior is right there.
Especially without access to Contrary in Gen 5, it’s so underwhelming into everything.
Probably not as bad as Meganium, but it’s basically got the same horrible overly tanky stat spread and poor coverage.
Yeah, but scarf contrary leaf storm is one hell of a drug
@@ismael8391 Scarf Contrary Leaf Storm Serperior has scarred me on Pokémon Showdown
snivy/serperior can learn alot of useful tm's
tbh what michael didnt cover in this video is tm's and moves in general.. for example charmander learns metal claw at level 13 which can beat brocks geodude with ease and definetly is not a dead weight.
alot of pokemon here dont deserve what they got and if he actually checked movesets and tm's alot of these would not be here
@@sheenakr7616he's just going by type matchups because if you know strategy, you can pick any starter you want lol
serperior is better than meganium because it's more useful against the evil team, who don't usually carry pokemon that are strong against it. meanwhile team rocket's out here with houndour/houndoom and all the fucking koffing and zubat in the world.
I feel like Meganium should’ve 1: Been given petal horn things like Bayleef, and 2: could’ve been given the fairy type cuz friendliness and pink flowers and such.
if chikorita in here i will not be surprised but i will cry. that’s my green bean
Same❤
Same❤
Please world, give fairy type to Meganium
Agreed.
I clicked the video and said this hahaha
grass just really suffers in general as its got SO MANY weaknesses. and so much resist it
if it doesn't get a 2ndary typing, it struggles so much....
idk why they don't do something for it to address how many weaknesses it has vs all the other starters.
and seriously, in so many of the games, the first gyms always seem hostile to grass (not so much gen 1. but all others)
wish they'd admit grass is a support type, not a standalone, and give grass types 2ndary typings
(also special mention to Serperior. while its contrary ability gives it some life. its move pool is the definition of small, and monotype. it has the smallest movepool of any starter and the LEAST type diversity. it needs more non grass moves)
I wouldn't say 'so many' games. Only Johto and Kalos, all other games either have a Rock gym, something neutral, or are the Striaton gym. (I guess you could argue Paldea also has a bad matchup, but Paldea is a weird case)
hear me out, i’ve always thought grass should be good against fairy. while it would admittedly make more sense a resistance, one of fairy’s weaknesses (poison) and one of the types that resists it (fire) have something to do with harming plants, meaning they have some relation. so the literal plant type should reign over the other nature related type
Maybe that is why game freak originaly made so many grass poison types including the starter to help it's wealnesses
@@patar00 honestly. Psychic should be strong vs fairy. finish that triangle cause fairy kinda replaced psychic xD
as for grass...could be strong vs fairy, but i think they just need to reduce how many types resist it. cause it struggles so much offensively
@@patar00yeah.....fairies dont work that way. While its true some like Nymphs and Driads protect the forest, the rest like say Trolls, Gnomes, Dullahans (yes, dullahans), etc either are neutral or dont care
And the fairy typing is based on ALL fairied, not just Thinkerbell😅
Video title should be “How most grass type starters are the worst”
But that would imply that he has a semblance of knowing what he's talking about. Which, given that he has Squirtle and Oshawott on this list, he clearly doesn't.
Yellow was my first Pokemon game. It came with a GameBoy Colour with Pikachu on it. I remember I always had to catch a Caterpie in Viridian Forest and grind it so it evolved into Butterfree, which is actually quad weak to rock, but it out speeds all of the trainers and Brock's Pokemon and confusion hits for decent neutral damage.
You're selling Chespin SUPER short.
In terms of moveset-It has rollout for the first gym, giving you an easy sweep if you get a bit of luck. Tm coverage in hone claws, bulldoze and rock tomb, plus level up moves like bite and leech seed give it the most variety early on compared to the two special attackers.
From repeat playthroughs, i've found Quilladin's general bulk more reliable in the midgame than the other two frail 'mons. The aforementioned learnset makes it the best for Grant's tyrunt. It falls off a bit after the electric gym, yeah, but i think a notable claim to fame is it being one of the best counters >in the game< for that Mega Gyarados Lysandre has.
Id argue that Kalos has the best balance of usefulness of starters throughout the game, and id even say Chesnsught had more notable matchups than Greninja, who's only full team advantages are one late gym and one elite four member. It certainly deserves to be higher up than snivy, let alone some of the other options on this list.
100% agreed. Chespin’s high risk high reward but man that reward is so worth it
I'm pretty sure Chestnaught potentially gets super effective coverage against everything but Dragon. Throw an Expert Belt on him and you can absolutely steam roll a majority of the fights. I'd say it's biggest hurdles are Flying-types, because of that Quad-Weakness, Dragons, and other Fighting types ironically.
bulk doesn't matter either way as Kalos is so easy
Emphasis on luck
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Roll-Out is 95 Acc, not that much luck needed. I fought Viola with Chespin a lot. I think I had one or two instances where Chespin missed its roll-out and even then, I still won the battle after. It's really not that hard to beat Viola with Chespin
About chespin, it gets rollout before the first gym leader. Don’t know if this changes anything, but I wanted to point that out.
9:31 Chespin does learn Rollout at lvl 8 so its unironically the best starter against Viola, no way to nerf Rollout as Water Sport does nerf Fire type moves and Vivillion is 4 times weak to Rock
You still need at least 2 or 3 hits before rollout can do enough to win u the battle, and while vivillon does have a 4x rock weakness you can exploit, it's still faster and has a chance to either increase its defence with Harden, or weaken you with infestation before you can beat it
And if U miss even once, which is still possible, then u HAVE to build up power again. If Chespin could learn defense curl, then rollout is much easier to work with cos it's already double in power
@@eljordinio7647 Infestation doesn't hit that hard though, my starter is like lvl 15 before that fight or during that fight
There's one other downside to charmander in gen 1: In Red and Blue, Charizard can't learn any STAB flying moves.
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Oh come on now. Squirtle is the best squirrel pokemon ever.
idk man pachirisu won worlds
I was going into this vid thinking my boy squirtle wouldn't be on the list turns out he is on it twice
Don't listen to the doubters. Squirtle is the best. Ever.
I love Blastoise but to GameFreak it’s not their golden child of Charizard nor is it Venusaur so why would they care about it at all
Putting Squirtle here twice is stupid. Any starter that is capable of Mega Evolving is already better than the majority of starter Pokémon. Even if the ability Blastoise gets is situational, it’s stat boost more than makes up for it
All gen 1 speed runners take Squirtle, he is cracked
@@MadMalMan that is more due to hms, since obviously it can learn surf, but it can also learn cut as well
Squirtle have bite against Starmie
11:36 in Gen 1, fire didn't resist ice (for some illogical reason), so Charizard was legitimately weak to ice, ergo, bad against Lorelei in more ways than one.
Due to all the hate on Chikorita, I will be doing a Chikorita only run in every game. This is gonna take a while. Wish me luck. Maybe I'll make a YT video for it. Probably not, but I would like to.
@@coltonstewart8698 if you do i'd love to see it
When I play Pokémon Yellow, I always replace Pikachu with Jolteon as soon as I can, because Jolteon learns one of the few Bug moves in Gen 1 (Pin Missile) which you NEED against the overpowered Psychic types (since Gen 1 didn't have Ghost, Dark or Steel.) And it's just generally stronger than Pikachu (I also give it the Thunderbolt TM that I get from beating the Electric gym leader.)
"Number 10, Sprigatito"
Switches off video. "We're done here."
Wartortle learns Bite at level 19 in FRLG for Misty
While Sprigatito might be the worst on paper for S&V it never felt that way for my playthrough. He was a champ and it was hard to even let other pokemon have a turn to shine.
Not even. With that high speed, good coverage, and u turn, she will almost always go first! Not the worst.
Not even. With that high speed, good coverage, and u turn, she will almost always go first! Not the worst.
I don't think it's even the worst on paper. Flower Trick is way better than Quaquaval's aqua step. a 70 power grass type move that never misses and always crits is really strong. It's nowhere near as strong as the beast that is Skeledirge, but I prefer it to Quaquaval in battle.
It also has great speed and a fantastic movepool.
@@JamesTheCelestialAqua step is so good, especially with Moxie. It's my favorite one to use in battle (and overall)
@@noahberan6498 Valid. I like Quaquaval in comp, myself, but in terms of a normal playthrough like the video... I like the move, i just think that it's massively outclassed by torch song and flower trick.
I like Quaquaval, but there are better water types and fighting types in Paldea. I think Meowscarada is better in a casual playthrough as there are fewer good grass types or dark types in the main story that can compare to it (not counting legendaries)
...Then again, an argument could be made for either and Skeledirge is borderline broken, so I suppose it doesn't really matter lol
I've noticed water starters aren't the best in their respective games
They generally are. In fact, most of the only generations where you can say that they're not would be gens 4, 6, 8, and maybe 9.
@@LittleAl016squirtle isn't great in kanto,totodile is actually quite good but in gen 2 typlosion is superior(in the remakes it's subjective),and once again samurott is mid
@@LittleAl016Also what are you talking about?from what i know greeninja is the best xy starter
@@isidorodaviddoro1920 Excuse me? How in the world is Surf usage "not great"? How is strong performance against 5/8 Gyms, niche use in 1/8 Gyms, strong performance against the 1/2 of the E4, and neutral performance against 1/4 of the E4 "not great"? There's only a few bad matchups Squirtle actually faces, and all of them have other options the player can use to overcome said bad matchups.
Also, Typhlosion is mid in the original GSC while Feraligatr has pretty decent coverage. Also, "mid" describes Emboar, not Samurott, who BTW is the GOAT.
Also, Fennekin is the best XY starter, not Greninja.
Speedruners use squirtle. AGDQ showed why Squirtle is so good. Squirtle is considered one of the best starters over all 27.
You just hate water...
So you're telling me during my X playthrough just cause I wanted to use Talonflame and wanted Serena to have Delphox. I handicapped myself with the worst starter combo.
2:08 squirtle/wartortle learns bite
I was just thinking that too.
Bite is normal in gen 1 though and it doesn’t get it until level 22
Funny thing is, the anime agrees with Mikey in Kanto. Pikachu initially refuses to battle and then gets beat when Ash does get it to fight. Ash rematches almost every gym, typically loses again but is gifted half of the badges for... being a good kid
Squirtle does great against Misty since it resists water and has a neutral or supper effective attack in bite. It is also picked in speed runs which suggests that it is the best kanto starter in some way or another.
Whats your favorite starter? I like tortera
Infernape
Oshawott
CHARMANDER IS THE BEST!!!!!
Salamance
@@pipoledo Salamence isn't a Starter 😑
Bud even if charmander is bad in kanto you already know everybody’s picking it up
Not Speedrunners
I like how this video came a day out around two days after Wolfey’s video
Where will Team Sky go to next? Another fan game or one of the main games like Unova or Kalos? I genuinely would love a main game video with Team Sky but that’s just me. Love ur vids man!❤🙏🔥👌
I hope he goes to Orre next.
He will suffer in the grueling deserts of Pokemon Arizona!
Poor Pikachu in Yellow. I always knew it was garbage so I'd get a Jolteon immediately and then go wreck the millions of flyers and waters.
Me: “I don’t want peace. I want problems. Always”.
Me: chooses Charmander
Charmander is literally just as good as Bulbasaur if not better.
@@LittleAl016 facts! Especially if you’re playing Pokémon X and Fire Red, Charizard kicks ass!
@@247_______ In Pokémon X, Charizard is literally the best starter you can get. In Pokémon Fire Red, your best bet is Blastoise.
I actually unironically use Chespin and Squirtle in Kalos thst I was just fine, I use Oshawott in the Unova region regardless and it's my favourite out lf every starter, I only use thr Chicorita line in Orre where it's actually the best of its trio for once.
Indigo League Elite 4 member Karen actually encourages to use whatever Pokémon you want, my Alola team even has Persian and she evolved at level 21 'cause she liked me enough.
Oshawott is actually the best Unova starter. And Squirtle is the best Kanto starter when strictly talking about Kanto.
@@LittleAl016 Squirtle is only intermediate difficulty for Kanto and is only the second best starter behind Bulbasaur for Kanto with Charmander as second best for Kalos.
Which one of my two Unova teams are actually canon and definitive?
@@smb-c3po No. "Intermediate difficulty in Kanto" is Charmander, not Squirtle. Squirtle, on the other hand is "Easy Mode in Kanto".
@@LittleAl016 Char is hard mode, Squirt is medium, and Bulb is easy.
What are all the single stage Dark-type Pokémon that got official cards?
I need two copies of one of them for my Blastoise V Battle deck and also multiple copies of a two-stage Fighting-type line to help against Lightning decks.
@@smb-c3po Wrong. Squirtle is easy, Char is medium, Bulb is hard.
Teach Wartortle Dig and Ice Beam and it suddenly has no issues with Lt. Surge and Erica.
Charmander destroys Brock with Ember in RB, and Metal Claw in FRLG. Teach it Dig and/or wait until you get Slash in RB and it'll destroy Misty as well.