My name is Antony Cummins. I feature in this video. I want to say a great big thank you to The Shogunate for his amazing ability with these videos. I hope that you have enjoyed the video and that it has taught you something about the shinobi. I look forward to working with the Shogunate on many ninja videos in the future. So please keep up to date and enjoy them all.
When shinobi start is the same question as when bushido started... It was always there, it just got more codified with time, and evolved certain aspects.
Wait a second.. there's an actual "Ninja Studies" Departament in Japanese Universities???? I never thought that been an historian was that fun. Im changing carreers now!!!!
There is a univeristy that offers the study. Avg. Student class size is 3. Requirments are very strict. Mimust be able to read , write, speak fluent japanese, as well as older forms of Japanese writing. Its not that people dont want to take the courses its just the prerequisite is a doozy. But still awesome they offer the course.
I’m currently reading the bansenshukai it’s very detailed Fujibayashi Yasutake was very detailed and how he explained that for this you have to have a right mind, body and spirit it’s an awesome read and I’m learning how commanders used them
As a Muslim, i really relate with the Shinobi believing in opportunity bestowed by the heaven in that Tenji parts. My elders used to say "you can plan anything perfectly, but it will only be fully succeed when God wills it" I used to hate that thinking, but now i truly realize what that means. It won't always go your way. You should always make the perfect plan, but know that sometimes it just won't work, so don't be so sad. Let it go. And try again, maybe the time wasn't right. It's always, giving your best + praying (having faith) is the best way to execute your plan. At least that was what i was teached since childhood. And if i'm not mistaken my Christian friends used to told me that they believe in that too but i'm not sure if it's exactly the same since i heard it a long time ago when i was a teenager. I guess every religion teach you that you won't always get what you want.
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Question. And I mean this with all sincerity. If ninja were never a separate entity, then why did Oda Nobukatsu and Oda Nobunaga subsequently attack Iga in the Tenshou Iga no Ran in 1581 specifically because Iga was ruled not by a clan, but rather the League of All Commons of Iga or Iga Soukoku Ikki 伊賀惣国一揆 ? I'm not saying that ninja had ALWAYS been a unique cluster of families and individuals. But in this brief war between Nobunaga and Iga's confederation, it has been historically documented that Iga's warriors used asymmetrical combat to push back Nobukatsu despite being completely outnumbered. Which, from what I could understand, wouldn't that be guerrilla style tactics from shinobi no mono? From what I can tell, 49 schools of espionage existed simply as a method to train individuals for shinobi no mono. But based on their own history, I question whether or not Iga and Koka specialized in the development of shinobi no mono to hire out to other people during 1485 and 1581. Granted, less than 100 years, but is it not feesable to make the argument that for that period of time (that we know of) there WAS an established group of people trained in organizations for shinobi no mono?
Gaijin Goombah Media he invaded basically all of Japan, or took control of it. It would be strange to single out Iga and Koka for special treatment. In fact, it may be that it was actually a lesser problem for Nobunaga. The people of Iga and Koka were samurai, they did band together and we even have the Iga Rules document, which says if someone does well, promote them to samurai. They were simpley not known as ninja seperate from main stream culture.
Iga and Koka were under the influence of the Rokkaku clan and of course a coalition of other aligned families under them. The Rokkaku desperately opposed Oda Nobunaga and his bid to take the capital and become a central figure and thus the two factions were at war for a time. After the Rokkaku fell, I have personally found it hard to figure out what the actual real status of Iga was. While I've seen sources claim that Iga fell to the Oda well before 1581, others claim that prolonged Resistance resulted in further conflict in the area. If that is the case, the resistance groups in Iga that would have been utilizing Shinobi like tactics would have most likely still been from the Samurai families that had previously served the Rokkaku. At the end of it all though we still have to ask ourselves what constitutes a shinobi? Is it someone engaging in a commando like role, guerrilla warfare, spying/espionage? This is the part that makes it all hard to determine because it would be the one thing to pinpoint regarding if Shinobi were only Samurai/Ashigaru or not.
@@TheShogunate I believe Shinobi were critical thinking individuals who were above all, understood how to use every resource available to them as well as understanding the human psychie better than any other. Using these tools, performed intel gathering, infiltration, and executed some of the best ambush tactics to come from the country. I've been studying and producing content about shinobi for the better part of three years. And though it's tricky to understand whether or not schools and/or clans were created specifically for those who practiced shinobi no mono, it would be logically folly to assume there weren't individuals and organizations who taught and practiced these methods. Whether they be ashigaru, samurai, or so on. I believe shinobi were not determined by social caste, but rather individual discipline to not only understand tactics of war (via Sun Tzu or otherwise), but also ingenuity from all resources present to them on top of psychological understanding of humans. These are things that are not simply understood. I can't imagine these would be things that people did not study, teach, and practice, but rather were just "naturally good". The CIA, MI6, all these organizations require such a vast deal of training, teaching, and practicing. How would shinobi be any different? Further still, if even HALF the techniques and disciplines found in the Bansenshukai, Shoninki, and Shinobi Hiden are even MILDLY true, who else but the Ashigaru or even regular people have the time to hone and perfect such abilities? How would the samurai, with all their responsibilities in court, combat, training, and to a lesser degree the arts, have time to learn and master such an extensive amount of additional skills required to execute Shinobi no mono? Could it be possible some samurai held their rank but focused training on espionage? I suppose that's possible, but considering we have no sourced fact of such things, what would logic dictate? That's where I'm at with shinobi and history.
@@GaijinGoombah I agree, it's all a grey zone because there doesn't appear to be texts that specifically give details on the class system of who were and who could be shinobi.
One of the ancient books that inspired the Bansenshukai is the book "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. Some of the writings includes "To know your enemies weakness" and use it against them. He was talking about espionage on that case.
I like that the real shinobi are not the masked, heavily-armed killers with superhuman powers we see on TV but more like the gardener you hired or the washerwoman in the castle but with trained, eidetic memories.
I would say the same thing but I found that through the stories of the other main characters in the game you start to see that others have their own Idea's of honor. Hell at one point Masako straight up tells you she is fine with your brutal actions against the Mongols haha
Ishikawa also heavily implied he agrees with your plan at Shimura castle but I just figured that Masako and Ishikawa would stick with you regardless. The way Jin was turned on after everything he accomplished just seemed nuts to me.
the lovely thing about the bansenshukai is that it throws in a lot of real life examples. for example here is a quite funny and brilliant one: "When Suyama and Komiyama infiltrated Kasagi castle, they chose a night of heavy wind and rain, climbed up the rocks stealthily with grappling hooks and penetrated the castle. They were questioned by enemy soldiers who were following a night patrol; at this, Suyama Yoshitsugu made an ad hoc reply, saying that they were from the Yamato division and on a night patrol for fear that there might be a night attack or that a shinobi might infiltrate as the rain and wind were heavy. Then he continued and said that they had not found anybody who had infiltrated the castle, but then told each group they encountered to watch out; they did this while they were marching calmly toward the main building. After finding out where in the building the Emperor was stationed and what its status was, they set a fire to the buildings. This is an example of using in-nin at first and yo-nin at the end." so they were themselves shinobi and their cover story was that they were looking for shinobi xD.
6:37 - " _was written just to allow the author to get a job_ " That applies also to "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli, but I don't hear anybody complaining.
"In the beginning of Bansenshūkai, the existence of the original text Kanrinseiyō was mentioned, but its existence had not been confirmed for a long time. However, in June 2022, a manuscript of the second volume of Kanrinseiyō copied in 1748 was found.[2][3]" lets gooooooo!!!!
History until the book was written. From Nihon Shoki. Around BC660, Ominomikoto, who served the emperor, is said to have carried out the operation by incorporating the code into songs and words. Ominomikoto is also said to be the ancestor of Shinobi. Shoutoku Taishi (574-627) hires Otomono Sabito, a descendant of Ominomikoto, as an intelligence agent and assassin. Shoutoku Taishi called him Sinobi志能便 (meaning a person who wants to get good information). Otomono was from the Iga region. The Hattori family also served Shoutoku Taishi. Sinobi and ninjutsu play an active part in Genpei War (1180-1185). At the end of the Kamakura period (1185 - 1333), jizamurai (a samurai from a farmer) invaded Iga, the manor of Todaiji Temple, and became an independent force. They are called akutou, and they will hone their own fighting skills and complete ninjutsu. This akutou is said to have the roots of the Iga-ryu Ninja. They become mercenaries in various parts of Japan. Until the Edo period, there was no unified name for them, and the names differ depending on the region. Sinobi was called turbulent wave (rappa), transparent wave (suppa), grass (kusa), etc. "Sinobi" is written in a literary work called Taiheiki (1368-1375). This is the first appearance in the literature. Tenshō Iga War (1578-1579) is a war between Nobunaga's army and the Iga clan. The samurai and the ninja face each other directly when Nobukatu builds a castle to invade Iga. Nobukatu loses the war. In the Edo period (1603 - 1868), the book Otogibouko (1666) introduced Super Sinobi as popular culture. A story featuring Sinobi such as Jiraiya monoigatari, Retsu senkoki, and ehontaikouki will be published. fujibayashi Samujiyasutake writes Bansenshukai (1676). Samujiyasutake is a ninja of the Sengoku period and is a descendant of Fujibayash Nagatonokami, the head of the Fujibayashi family, one of the three Iga ninja families (Hattori and Momochi).
there is one indication in the banshensukai that ninjas did not wear face coverings, but perhaps other ninjas did, or they started doing it later but here is the quote from the bansenshukai: `If you turn your face toward the enemy, it looks white. 26 If you cover your face by crouching with your face down, it does not look white, so it is hard for the enemy to detect you. As men are yo, turning your face up is conflicting while turning your face down is also yo and therefore complementary to your hiding. When you have your face up your breathing will be harder and the enemy will detect you, while when your face is down it will be shallower and faster, so they will not detect it. Third, if someone’s ‘breathing’ and your breathing correspond, 27 then this other person will not fail to realize you are there. Therefore, turning your face upward is disadvantageous while turning your face down is advantageous. Fourth, when you turn your face up the body will naturally tend to extend instead of contracting, while when your face is down it will always contract, thus making it harder to be detected and more advantageous.`
Found your channel about 2 to 3 months ago and your channel is the first channel i ever watch all the videos on it and now waiting for more By the way can you make video explaining japanese castle?
i think one thing that should be mentioned is that all of the ninja skills would require a lot of training to be performed efficiently. take just scaling a wall and doing it without detection while carrying weapons and equipment. anyone here tried doing that? even if youre a soldier thats not something most soldiers would be able to do without a lot of training. not to mention all the other spy skills they needed to master like disguising themselves as priests merchants and soldiers, blending into groups of unknown people and to gather intel. under constant threat of detection, arrest, torture and death. its not something you would learn over night by any means but rather many years. if you list all the skills, weapons and equipment that you need to master from the bansenshukai it would get into the hundreds. i find it very possible that they used specialised agents, that were really good at one or a few particular things. like the guy(or girl) who is really good at pretending to be someone else and get people to share important information is not necessarily the same person who is good at getting into a castle and setting fire to it. but thats just my personal speculation.
I'm curious where the illustrations come from. Are these from the texts themselves or elsewhere. Are they from times past or more modern? Overall beautiful and very informative. Thank you!
So to summarize, Shinobis were like commandos/Intelligence agents? I'm asking this because my english isn't very good yet and I wanna be sure if I understood both videos about them. And about the Shinobis, I'm a a little bit like disappointed you know, because I grow up with the idea of them that Tv, "Documentaries" and video games gave us, those silent and highly skilled assassins who fought against Samurais or were like hitmans killing someone for money. Anyways is always good to know what is really more like historically accurate. Thanks guys! Your videos are awesome! I'll expect more videos about the topic.
So basically the foot soldiers were army infantry, the Samurai were Army Rangers and the Ninja was 75th Ranger Regiment. All part of the same military, just with different jobs.
Plus, the blue from the paint probably just faded away, why wouldn’t the blue around them do so? Because perhaps they used a more volatile blue dye, an ultramarine dye to create indigo.
So Ninjas were the tier-one units of the Samurai - called on conduct high risk missions. Generally, tier one (Delta Force, SEAL Team 6, ISA, etc) mainly recruit from Special Operations units (Army Special Forces (Green Berets), SEALs, Rangers, PJs, etc). Would this be a correct correlation to modern military forces?
I guess to say vaguely, "shinobi (with a small 's') is what you do, not what you are?" Anyone of any role, status, or title can still practice shinobi and be hired as a spy?
Interesting because I used to play AD&D and the rule states that a ninja must have a cover up class like a bushi or a yakuza but it ia clear that a samurai can never be a ninja. I've followed that as truth all my life and so was bothered that Leonardo uses katana because their rule states only samurai can use that weapon lol. Now i know the samurai families were the ninja and it busted my bubble. Ill have to research more, Thanks
I remember hearing about this collection of of shinobi knowledge before, but never really understanding the significance of it until now. The Bansenshukai seems like it is more of a window into the mind of the japanese warrior than our modern understanding of bushido ever was. Question for you; do you think that Bushido is more of a summarization of the various codes of honor and samurai conduct of the time, or is it just a modern romanticized concept?
I think Bushido is a bit of both. It is definitely a collection of real concepts that all got mashed together into 'bushido' after the fall of the Samurai, but while it itself is made of real concepts, it still got extremely romanticized in modern times.
@@TheShogunate Awesome! Yeah I feel that maybe during the Meji/imperial era Japan, they wanted to have a call back to traditional values. This probably caused them to resuscitate samurai teachings and philosophy, and adding some of those romanticized elements that you talked about earlier. After watching some of your other videos where you eluded to that, it makes sense now.
Anthony Cummins may be a Historical Researcher, Author, and RUclipsr. But for the safety of yourself and everybody else, PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!, don't let him try to teach you how to use a sword!
no it means even the sweetest water always ends up in a pool of salt.... and it means that people add salt to everything to enhance the flavor since it's umami and that's when they invented MSG. /drops mic -emotional damage
true... bansinushu kai... true... ieyasu passed the shinobi tests of why ieyasu need their assistance... ieyasu kept the codes of shinobi righteousness in relation to nature and exited the secular world with a solid foundation of tokugawa shogunate for PEACE...
ORAL knowledge is the most comom tool of spreading information in all places of earth, written knowledge is not all, and much of it is destroyed either by time or by Shinobi who wish to remain in shadows!
I agree with your thesis that Ninja did not exist as depicted in the popular image, and I’d go on to say they didn’t exist at all. I think using the word Shinobi to describe a common, specific job that people trained in is a bit of stretch, there’s not a lot of historical documentation to back that up. Also, I feel it’s unfair to your audience to not bring up the fact that Antony Cummins cannot read Japanese, and thus has done no primary resource work, considering most of this stuff is only available in Japanese. His “translation” takes a lot of liberties, and he edits it a lot to suit his own narrative from the original Classical Japanese. Furthermore, I read Cummins’s book about Hattori Hanzo that not only has 0 sources cited, but directly quotes from Draeger who notoriously makes things up about ninja. Also, the book doesn’t even have page numbers. Look, I appreciate the work, but I think we need to be a bit more critical here. Stephen Turnbull has made a lot of mistakes in his past work, but his 2017 book is half decent and worth checking out. Also, If you read Japanese, look at some work by Yoshimaru Katsuya from Mie University. Yamada Yuji has also done some decent work at Mie. One last thing, there is a Japanese academic journal based on ninja studies called 忍者の研究, so If you read Japanese check that out; they have a great article that talks about the fact that Hattori Hanzo has nothing to do with shinobi/ninja until fictional works come out that make him part of the lore. I suppose I’d any original work was done here with actual Japanese sources you might’ve figured that out. I’m sorry to be a bit pompous, but you come across so authoritative without doing proper work, and taking the work of someone who is pretty deceitful about what he does (Cummins)
thank you the shogunate for touching the true facets of ninja and samurai... literature cant be corrected... simply show the deep truth of the existence of shinobi and the sharing of knowledge of warriors... japan and china... note: shinobi righteousness in relation to nature is japan genes as the sumo is japan... others may copy and expand as they like... the important thing, is that ninja-samurai is not simply about savagery barbarism so and so... it is the society of genuine warriors made up of codes and principles of righteousness in relation to nature for PEACE... in the past eras... warriors bow at each other before and after battles... they dont SHOUT WITH THEIR WEAPONS IN THEIR HANDS UP IN THE AIR as portrayed in films... of course, films are made simply to amuse viewers and stir fascination in their brains ... true portrayal is boring in the mentality of the general film viewers... only people who appreciate arts and music of nature appreciate true portrayal...
I want to be an agent because once I'm an agent that will also make me a doctor it will also make me an attorney and only has to make me a judge LOL make me the jury it'll also make me you name it that badge will make me anything and everything. Because I say so well because they say so
You said COMMANDO BOATS and yet you don't acknowledge the NINJA being a feudal commando type unit or military. I think your being very dishonourable in your narrative if your going to be serious be serious and not try to deceive viewers .....
This is sad. I came to this video expecting somebody debunking the myth about ninja and how they are a mythical figure created around the 17th century and how is clear for the academia that ninjas never existed but I found just another video made with help of Antony Cummins...
dude why didnt you talk about anything in the book? you just explained what each chapter was but didnt go into anything. that was a fuckin waste of time.
Hold on a second; I don't believe you guys understand the socio-economic systems at play in feudal japan, as well as basic archaeological concepts that sincerely screw the pooch on your argument. You also invalidate many of the points you make with several one-off, throwaway claims, a fact that made my head spin so much that all of us are here now. So with that in mind, let me educate you. First off it's important to note that ashigaru WERE NOT A SOCIAL CLASS!!! They were conscripts, peasants given weapons and told to stick the other guys with them. These were people that, for the most part, did not know war (I am not saying you actually believe this, but in the video, you certainly imply that they're a separate class rather than just peasants). To that end, it's important to know that warfare (including espionage) is a learned discipline, a TRADE. What a blacksmith learned about his craft, a samurai learned about his, and the way learning and education was handled in feudal societies was through apprenticeship. You would be taught a single skill by a master, most often a family member, and from there, you'd do the job you learned. Warfare and fighting were, without a doubt intense enough skills that they required serious training in order to achieve competence, and so too, for that matter, was espionage. The skills required to be a successful spy are far more demanding to learn than you seem to think. It's not just something you can pick up on the fly because your lord tells you to. It takes a long time to learn all the ins and outs--it's essentially a trade in its own right, which is why your comment in the previous video about the Iga and Koga men being particularly sought after for their skills in this field struck a nerve with me. While you say there is no such thing as a Shinobi "clan" or a Shinobi "order", or even a Shinobi "tradition", and YET the proof that any of these actually exist comes out of your own mouth. The fact that the men from Iga and Koga were sought after for their skills means that someone must've taught these men, or if we have an understanding of apprenticeships, a great many someones. These someones would usually be family members that knew the trade--hence ninja FAMILIES--and those family members had to be taught by an older master who in turn had to be taught by an even older master, and so on--hence, a TRADITION. Since these guys were clearly good at what they did, we can move on to another subject; NOT EVERYTHING SURVIVES IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL RECORDS. This is a pretty obvious rule, one that you DON'T seem to understand. By your logic, I would have to say that most people in the medieval world walked around naked, since we have so few specimens of actual recovered garments. This is blatantly untrue because we know that cloth doesn't survive for a thousand years in damp soil--it disintegrates. Just because we don't have the evidence in these situations doesn't categorically make it completely false--it just makes it unknown, and it should be extraordinarily obvious that espionage is always going to be in one of these positions. For something that isn't meant to be known, it makes so very little sense to assume that there would be heaps of evidence left for us to see four HUNDRED years later, ESPECIALLY if they were good at their jobs. Of course we don't know much about the ninja, they were SPIES. They weren't SUPPOSED to be understood, and to that end you can't CAN'T go around making assumptions based on a lack of evidence. The only truthful thing you can say in this situation is WE DON'T KNOW, because we don't. We really don't know how they work, and we're never GOING to know how they work. There isn't enough evidence.
I think you are commenting on the wrong video, This is my other video and a far more fitting one for this comment ruclips.net/video/MU3FOUiguQs/видео.html
@@TheShogunate Does that matter? The whole series in general contains these exact flaws; there's doubletalk that could rival even a politician, a severe lack of understanding of how certain social systems play out in a feudal world, and a lot of this video categorically contradicts the previous one. The reason I put the comment on THIS video is that MAYBE just MAYBE you'd see it and not blow it off. But of course that's what your doing. You make a snide little comment just so you don't have to fight back. I usually find using ad hominem attacks to be distasteful and dirty, but goddamn it, this is lazy, cowardly, and quite frankly insulting. Either argue my points back, or admit defeat. Don't just dismiss it like common trash you don't have the time to deal with.
@@graysonbaker1744Sorry, I don't argue with viewers.There will be no fight nor victory. It's not meant to be insulting or dismissive, it's just something I try not to do with anyone.
The point of this video is to see what the Banseshukai can teach us, there is a link in the description if you would like to actually read the book for yourself!
My name is Antony Cummins. I feature in this video. I want to say a great big thank you to The Shogunate for his amazing ability with these videos. I hope that you have enjoyed the video and that it has taught you something about the shinobi. I look forward to working with the Shogunate on many ninja videos in the future. So please keep up to date and enjoy them all.
i always watch your video antony (proud subcriber) and have most of your books
Thank you both I for one learned alot more from your work.
Thank you guys💕
No mate Thank you for translating this, your book is epic!!
Awesome work mate! Really appreciate the time you all put into educating about the amazing history! Will def subscribe! :)
To the quality of the images to the edition, to your voice and the way you present the information, your videos as a whole are fantastic!
Thank you!
When shinobi start is the same question as when bushido started... It was always there, it just got more codified with time, and evolved certain aspects.
Wait a second.. there's an actual "Ninja Studies" Departament in Japanese Universities???? I never thought that been an historian was that fun. Im changing carreers now!!!!
Let's go. I'll pick you up
There is a univeristy that offers the study. Avg. Student class size is 3. Requirments are very strict. Mimust be able to read , write, speak fluent japanese, as well as older forms of Japanese writing. Its not that people dont want to take the courses its just the prerequisite is a doozy. But still awesome they offer the course.
I’m currently reading the bansenshukai it’s very detailed Fujibayashi Yasutake was very detailed and how he explained that for this you have to have a right mind, body and spirit it’s an awesome read and I’m learning how commanders used them
Awesome video as usual, cant wait for the main sengoku jidai series of the dae clan!
That is next!
@@TheShogunate yas
As a Muslim, i really relate with the Shinobi believing in opportunity bestowed by the heaven in that Tenji parts.
My elders used to say "you can plan anything perfectly, but it will only be fully succeed when God wills it"
I used to hate that thinking, but now i truly realize what that means. It won't always go your way.
You should always make the perfect plan, but know that sometimes it just won't work, so don't be so sad. Let it go. And try again, maybe the time wasn't right.
It's always, giving your best + praying (having faith) is
the best way to execute your plan. At least that was what i was teached since childhood.
And if i'm not mistaken my Christian friends used to told me that they believe in that too but i'm not sure if it's exactly the same since i heard it a long time ago when i was a teenager. I guess every religion teach you that you won't always get what you want.
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Great video, as always! Can't wait for the next one!
Question. And I mean this with all sincerity. If ninja were never a separate entity, then why did Oda Nobukatsu and Oda Nobunaga subsequently attack Iga in the Tenshou Iga no Ran in 1581 specifically because Iga was ruled not by a clan, but rather the League of All Commons of Iga or Iga Soukoku Ikki 伊賀惣国一揆 ? I'm not saying that ninja had ALWAYS been a unique cluster of families and individuals. But in this brief war between Nobunaga and Iga's confederation, it has been historically documented that Iga's warriors used asymmetrical combat to push back Nobukatsu despite being completely outnumbered. Which, from what I could understand, wouldn't that be guerrilla style tactics from shinobi no mono?
From what I can tell, 49 schools of espionage existed simply as a method to train individuals for shinobi no mono. But based on their own history, I question whether or not Iga and Koka specialized in the development of shinobi no mono to hire out to other people during 1485 and 1581. Granted, less than 100 years, but is it not feesable to make the argument that for that period of time (that we know of) there WAS an established group of people trained in organizations for shinobi no mono?
Gaijin Goombah Media he invaded basically all of Japan, or took control of it. It would be strange to single out Iga and Koka for special treatment. In fact, it may be that it was actually a lesser problem for Nobunaga. The people of Iga and Koka were samurai, they did band together and we even have the Iga Rules document, which says if someone does well, promote them to samurai. They were simpley not known as ninja seperate from main stream culture.
Iga and Koka were under the influence of the Rokkaku clan and of course a coalition of other aligned families under them. The Rokkaku desperately opposed Oda Nobunaga and his bid to take the capital and become a central figure and thus the two factions were at war for a time. After the Rokkaku fell, I have personally found it hard to figure out what the actual real status of Iga was. While I've seen sources claim that Iga fell to the Oda well before 1581, others claim that prolonged Resistance resulted in further conflict in the area. If that is the case, the resistance groups in Iga that would have been utilizing Shinobi like tactics would have most likely still been from the Samurai families that had previously served the Rokkaku.
At the end of it all though we still have to ask ourselves what constitutes a shinobi? Is it someone engaging in a commando like role, guerrilla warfare, spying/espionage? This is the part that makes it all hard to determine because it would be the one thing to pinpoint regarding if Shinobi were only Samurai/Ashigaru or not.
@@TheShogunate Super interesting! I'll have to look more into this.
@@TheShogunate I believe Shinobi were critical thinking individuals who were above all, understood how to use every resource available to them as well as understanding the human psychie better than any other. Using these tools, performed intel gathering, infiltration, and executed some of the best ambush tactics to come from the country. I've been studying and producing content about shinobi for the better part of three years. And though it's tricky to understand whether or not schools and/or clans were created specifically for those who practiced shinobi no mono, it would be logically folly to assume there weren't individuals and organizations who taught and practiced these methods.
Whether they be ashigaru, samurai, or so on. I believe shinobi were not determined by social caste, but rather individual discipline to not only understand tactics of war (via Sun Tzu or otherwise), but also ingenuity from all resources present to them on top of psychological understanding of humans. These are things that are not simply understood. I can't imagine these would be things that people did not study, teach, and practice, but rather were just "naturally good". The CIA, MI6, all these organizations require such a vast deal of training, teaching, and practicing. How would shinobi be any different?
Further still, if even HALF the techniques and disciplines found in the Bansenshukai, Shoninki, and Shinobi Hiden are even MILDLY true, who else but the Ashigaru or even regular people have the time to hone and perfect such abilities? How would the samurai, with all their responsibilities in court, combat, training, and to a lesser degree the arts, have time to learn and master such an extensive amount of additional skills required to execute Shinobi no mono? Could it be possible some samurai held their rank but focused training on espionage? I suppose that's possible, but considering we have no sourced fact of such things, what would logic dictate? That's where I'm at with shinobi and history.
@@GaijinGoombah I agree, it's all a grey zone because there doesn't appear to be texts that specifically give details on the class system of who were and who could be shinobi.
One of the ancient books that inspired the Bansenshukai is the book "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. Some of the writings includes "To know your enemies weakness" and use it against them. He was talking about espionage on that case.
You are an absolute legend, keep making more videos.
“Department of Ninja Studies”?!?!?! Why don’t WE have that 😭
"What's your major?" "Espionage. I'm minoring in sabotage"
Well there is always MI6 lol
Very interesting stuff here! I was waiting for this vid.
Most informative indeed, thanks Mate.
I like that the real shinobi are not the masked, heavily-armed killers with superhuman powers we see on TV but more like the gardener you hired or the washerwoman in the castle but with trained, eidetic memories.
The fact that samurai generally accepted the actions and tactics of shinobi blows a giant hole in the plot of Ghost of Tsushima
I would say the same thing but I found that through the stories of the other main characters in the game you start to see that others have their own Idea's of honor. Hell at one point Masako straight up tells you she is fine with your brutal actions against the Mongols haha
Ishikawa also heavily implied he agrees with your plan at Shimura castle but I just figured that Masako and Ishikawa would stick with you regardless.
The way Jin was turned on after everything he accomplished just seemed nuts to me.
Also Masako has been pushed to the edge of sanity and is a tad on the brutal side herself
To use an analogy, Ashoka Maurya never banned the Artashastra.
Was really looking forward to this next part of your ninja series, but then I could say the same of any of your videos.
the lovely thing about the bansenshukai is that it throws in a lot of real life examples. for example here is a quite funny and brilliant one:
"When Suyama and Komiyama infiltrated Kasagi castle, they chose a night of heavy
wind and rain, climbed up the rocks stealthily with grappling hooks and penetrated the
castle. They were questioned by enemy soldiers who were following a night patrol; at this,
Suyama Yoshitsugu made an ad hoc reply, saying that they were from the Yamato division
and on a night patrol for fear that there might be a night attack or that a shinobi might
infiltrate as the rain and wind were heavy. Then he continued and said that they had not
found anybody who had infiltrated the castle, but then told each group they encountered to
watch out; they did this while they were marching calmly toward the main building. After
finding out where in the building the Emperor was stationed and what its status was, they
set a fire to the buildings. This is an example of using in-nin at first and yo-nin at the end."
so they were themselves shinobi and their cover story was that they were looking for shinobi xD.
I was the sixth viewer lol. That goes to show how much I love this channel.
I didn’t have the RUclips App out for some reason so I couldn’t comment immediately.
I’m the dude that pushes the send button on the videos
Excellent video!
You sound a bit like the voice from Star Wars Theory. In my head canon, this channel covers Jedi in our timeline.
6:37 - " _was written just to allow the author to get a job_ "
That applies also to "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli, but I don't hear anybody complaining.
"In the beginning of Bansenshūkai, the existence of the original text Kanrinseiyō was mentioned, but its existence had not been confirmed for a long time. However, in June 2022, a manuscript of the second volume of Kanrinseiyō copied in 1748 was found.[2][3]"
lets gooooooo!!!!
perfectly defined... the eenin the yonin... two facets of shinobi... thank you the shogunate...
History until the book was written.
From Nihon Shoki. Around BC660, Ominomikoto, who served the emperor, is said to have carried out the operation by incorporating the code into songs and words. Ominomikoto is also said to be the ancestor of Shinobi.
Shoutoku Taishi (574-627) hires Otomono Sabito, a descendant of Ominomikoto, as an intelligence agent and assassin.
Shoutoku Taishi called him Sinobi志能便 (meaning a person who wants to get good information). Otomono was from the Iga region. The Hattori family also served Shoutoku Taishi.
Sinobi and ninjutsu play an active part in Genpei War (1180-1185).
At the end of the Kamakura period (1185 - 1333), jizamurai (a samurai from a farmer) invaded Iga, the manor of Todaiji Temple, and became an independent force. They are called akutou, and they will hone their own fighting skills and complete ninjutsu. This akutou is said to have the roots of the Iga-ryu Ninja. They become mercenaries in various parts of Japan.
Until the Edo period, there was no unified name for them, and the names differ depending on the region.
Sinobi was called turbulent wave (rappa), transparent wave (suppa), grass (kusa), etc.
"Sinobi" is written in a literary work called Taiheiki (1368-1375). This is the first appearance in the literature.
Tenshō Iga War (1578-1579) is a war between Nobunaga's army and the Iga clan. The samurai and the ninja face each other directly when Nobukatu builds a castle to invade Iga. Nobukatu loses the war.
In the Edo period (1603 - 1868), the book Otogibouko (1666) introduced Super Sinobi as popular culture. A story featuring Sinobi such as Jiraiya monoigatari, Retsu senkoki, and ehontaikouki will be published.
fujibayashi Samujiyasutake writes Bansenshukai (1676).
Samujiyasutake is a ninja of the Sengoku period and is a descendant of Fujibayash Nagatonokami, the head of the Fujibayashi family, one of the three Iga ninja families (Hattori and Momochi).
there is one indication in the banshensukai that ninjas did not wear face coverings, but perhaps other ninjas did, or they started doing it later but here is the quote from the bansenshukai:
`If you turn your face toward the enemy, it looks white.
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If you cover your face by
crouching with your face down, it does not look white, so it is hard for the enemy to detect
you.
As men are yo, turning your face up is conflicting while turning your face down is also
yo and therefore complementary to your hiding. When you have your face up your
breathing will be harder and the enemy will detect you, while when your face is down it
will be shallower and faster, so they will not detect it.
Third, if someone’s ‘breathing’ and your breathing correspond,
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then this other person
will not fail to realize you are there. Therefore, turning your face upward is
disadvantageous while turning your face down is advantageous.
Fourth, when you turn your face up the body will naturally tend to extend instead of
contracting, while when your face is down it will always contract, thus making it harder to
be detected and more advantageous.`
Damn I stumbled on this video 2 mins after it uploaded
good stuff! Your videos are very good
Found your channel about 2 to 3 months ago and your channel is the first channel i ever watch all the videos on it and now waiting for more
By the way can you make video explaining japanese castle?
That is actually something I have planned very soon, in the next couple weeks!
@@TheShogunate look foward to it
i think one thing that should be mentioned is that all of the ninja skills would require a lot of training to be performed efficiently. take just scaling a wall and doing it without detection while carrying weapons and equipment. anyone here tried doing that? even if youre a soldier thats not something most soldiers would be able to do without a lot of training. not to mention all the other spy skills they needed to master like disguising themselves as priests merchants and soldiers, blending into groups of unknown people and to gather intel. under constant threat of detection, arrest, torture and death. its not something you would learn over night by any means but rather many years. if you list all the skills, weapons and equipment that you need to master from the bansenshukai it would get into the hundreds.
i find it very possible that they used specialised agents, that were really good at one or a few particular things. like the guy(or girl) who is really good at pretending to be someone else and get people to share important information is not necessarily the same person who is good at getting into a castle and setting fire to it. but thats just my personal speculation.
I'm curious where the illustrations come from. Are these from the texts themselves or elsewhere. Are they from times past or more modern? Overall beautiful and very informative. Thank you!
They are from the text if it is the tools. The Edo block prints are from various art found in Japan.
So to summarize, Shinobis were like commandos/Intelligence agents? I'm asking this because my english isn't very good yet and I wanna be sure if I understood both videos about them.
And about the Shinobis, I'm a a little bit like disappointed you know, because I grow up with the idea of them that Tv, "Documentaries" and video games gave us, those silent and highly skilled assassins who fought against Samurais or were like hitmans killing someone for money. Anyways is always good to know what is really more like historically accurate. Thanks guys! Your videos are awesome! I'll expect more videos about the topic.
Great video as always! Did somebody have the ninja video of the pinkman? I would like to watch it again but its impossible to find.
Modern day Shinobi here, thanks for the video
So basically the foot soldiers were army infantry, the Samurai were Army Rangers and the Ninja was 75th Ranger Regiment. All part of the same military, just with different jobs.
Not really. Most 'ninja' were samurai, just with the job of irregular warfare.
Can you make a video on the top 10 shinobi in Japanese history ????
What page is for “Shadow clone” jutsu?
Plus, the blue from the paint probably just faded away, why wouldn’t the blue around them do so?
Because perhaps they used a more volatile blue dye, an ultramarine dye to create indigo.
Your voice reminds me of Jet from Cowboy Bebop, great video as usual 👌
What I learned in my studies is there are more information poping up from diffrent Ryu-ha we can learn from eachother not one has it all.
So Ninjas were the tier-one units of the Samurai - called on conduct high risk missions. Generally, tier one (Delta Force, SEAL Team 6, ISA, etc) mainly recruit from Special Operations units (Army Special Forces (Green Berets), SEALs, Rangers, PJs, etc). Would this be a correct correlation to modern military forces?
I just got an ad that claimed 'everyone hates writing.' I don't hate writing. That's all i got!
I guess to say vaguely, "shinobi (with a small 's') is what you do, not what you are?" Anyone of any role, status, or title can still practice shinobi and be hired as a spy?
Did you finished Ghost of tsushima?
ruclips.net/video/HNrOs2ic6fM/видео.html
Does anyone know the name of the garment the ninja has on in the thumbnail?
Interesting because I used to play AD&D and the rule states that a ninja must have a cover up class like a bushi or a yakuza but it ia clear that a samurai can never be a ninja. I've followed that as truth all my life and so was bothered that Leonardo uses katana because their rule states only samurai can use that weapon lol. Now i know the samurai families were the ninja and it busted my bubble. Ill have to research more, Thanks
I remember hearing about this collection of of shinobi knowledge before, but never really understanding the significance of it until now. The Bansenshukai seems like it is more of a window into the mind of the japanese warrior than our modern understanding of bushido ever was. Question for you; do you think that Bushido is more of a summarization of the various codes of honor and samurai conduct of the time, or is it just a modern romanticized concept?
I think Bushido is a bit of both. It is definitely a collection of real concepts that all got mashed together into 'bushido' after the fall of the Samurai, but while it itself is made of real concepts, it still got extremely romanticized in modern times.
@@TheShogunate Awesome! Yeah I feel that maybe during the Meji/imperial era Japan, they wanted to have a call back to traditional values. This probably caused them to resuscitate samurai teachings and philosophy, and adding some of those romanticized elements that you talked about earlier. After watching some of your other videos where you eluded to that, it makes sense now.
I LOVE NINJAS!!!!!
5:51 Did the shinobi just DRM the future?
Interesting
Anthony Cummins may be a Historical Researcher, Author, and RUclipsr. But for the safety of yourself and everybody else, PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!, don't let him try to teach you how to use a sword!
🇵🇷🇵🇷 🤞🏻 very nice content
The Kuden was basically the shinobi DLC
It all helps in studdie in ninjutsu how use in this time...
Benshinuki is big book on shinobi i have get the book i have 4 books thumb up....
no it means even the sweetest water always ends up in a pool of salt.... and it means that people add salt to everything to enhance the flavor since it's umami and that's when they invented MSG. /drops mic -emotional damage
true... bansinushu kai... true... ieyasu passed the shinobi tests of why ieyasu need their assistance... ieyasu kept the codes of shinobi righteousness in relation to nature and exited the secular world with a solid foundation of tokugawa shogunate for PEACE...
ORAL knowledge is the most comom tool of spreading information in all places of earth, written knowledge is not all, and much of it is destroyed either by time or by Shinobi who wish to remain in shadows!
Just so people understand, the ninja manual is now several hundred years obsolete. So don’t buy thinking you’d be a master ninja assassin.
Exactly! It's more an interesting insight into how they may have functioned.
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My bad, when I pasted it some of it was cut out, It should work fine now!
Hmm, again and again the Ninja continuously spark the controversy surrounding themselves. They truly live up to their name as the master of secrecy.
1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.
wut
@@TM-rh7zs Three Ninja Manuals^
Real ultimate power
GOEMON......
Ninjas are cool
I agree with your thesis that Ninja did not exist as depicted in the popular image, and I’d go on to say they didn’t exist at all. I think using the word Shinobi to describe a common, specific job that people trained in is a bit of stretch, there’s not a lot of historical documentation to back that up.
Also, I feel it’s unfair to your audience to not bring up the fact that Antony Cummins cannot read Japanese, and thus has done no primary resource work, considering most of this stuff is only available in Japanese. His “translation” takes a lot of liberties, and he edits it a lot to suit his own narrative from the original Classical Japanese.
Furthermore, I read Cummins’s book about Hattori Hanzo that not only has 0 sources cited, but directly quotes from Draeger who notoriously makes things up about ninja. Also, the book doesn’t even have page numbers.
Look, I appreciate the work, but I think we need to be a bit more critical here. Stephen Turnbull has made a lot of mistakes in his past work, but his 2017 book is half decent and worth checking out. Also, If you read Japanese, look at some work by Yoshimaru Katsuya from Mie University. Yamada Yuji has also done some decent work at Mie.
One last thing, there is a Japanese academic journal based on ninja studies called 忍者の研究, so If you read Japanese check that out; they have a great article that talks about the fact that Hattori Hanzo has nothing to do with shinobi/ninja until fictional works come out that make him part of the lore. I suppose I’d any original work was done here with actual Japanese sources you might’ve figured that out.
I’m sorry to be a bit pompous, but you come across so authoritative without doing proper work, and taking the work of someone who is pretty deceitful about what he does (Cummins)
For everyone asking for evidence or proof of the true circumstances of the shinobi STOP SNITCHING.
Why are they all cross eyed in the prints?
Yeah you don't be hiding back there I see you
links don't work
I fixed them, they should work now! Sorry about that!
14:21 why was that funny
thank you the shogunate for touching the true facets of ninja and samurai... literature cant be corrected... simply show the deep truth of the existence of shinobi and the sharing of knowledge of warriors... japan and china... note: shinobi righteousness in relation to nature is japan genes as the sumo is japan... others may copy and expand as they like... the important thing, is that ninja-samurai is not simply about savagery barbarism so and so... it is the society of genuine warriors made up of codes and principles of righteousness in relation to nature for PEACE... in the past eras... warriors bow at each other before and after battles... they dont SHOUT WITH THEIR WEAPONS IN THEIR HANDS UP IN THE AIR as portrayed in films... of course, films are made simply to amuse viewers and stir fascination in their brains ... true portrayal is boring in the mentality of the general film viewers... only people who appreciate arts and music of nature appreciate true portrayal...
万川集海？
I like azumi...
And I won't be able to kick people out because I say because I say so
Come here you little cheerleader
I want to be an agent because once I'm an agent that will also make me a doctor it will also make me an attorney and only has to make me a judge LOL make me the jury it'll also make me you name it that badge will make me anything and everything. Because I say so well because they say so
And the cheerleaders will be cheering them on Yelling or saying stupid stupid
You seem to have forgotten that we live in the United States we all have the same rights we are all equal
where's the jutsu teaching?
no chitchat needed, gimme likes.
He was starting to sweat lol
So, watched this and learned .. nothing.. GJ
It is basically an index of a book..
Hey you you looked at me wrong you're out
Out
If it was up to these agents they wouldn't be any people in the United States. They would kick everybody out
I didn't hear you but you're out anyway
And if you touch that innocent man that you guys will keep blaming I will personally make sure you end up in prison
more explains more confuse!!!
You said COMMANDO BOATS and yet you don't acknowledge the NINJA being a feudal commando type unit or military. I think your being very dishonourable in your narrative if your going to be serious be serious and not try to deceive viewers .....
This is sad. I came to this video expecting somebody debunking the myth about ninja and how they are a mythical figure created around the 17th century and how is clear for the academia that ninjas never existed but I found just another video made with help of Antony Cummins...
dude why didnt you talk about anything in the book? you just explained what each chapter was but didnt go into anything. that was a fuckin waste of time.
I'll let you say stupid all you want
Hold on a second; I don't believe you guys understand the socio-economic systems at play in feudal japan, as well as basic archaeological concepts that sincerely screw the pooch on your argument. You also invalidate many of the points you make with several one-off, throwaway claims, a fact that made my head spin so much that all of us are here now. So with that in mind, let me educate you.
First off it's important to note that ashigaru WERE NOT A SOCIAL CLASS!!! They were conscripts, peasants given weapons and told to stick the other guys with them. These were people that, for the most part, did not know war (I am not saying you actually believe this, but in the video, you certainly imply that they're a separate class rather than just peasants).
To that end, it's important to know that warfare (including espionage) is a learned discipline, a TRADE. What a blacksmith learned about his craft, a samurai learned about his, and the way learning and education was handled in feudal societies was through apprenticeship. You would be taught a single skill by a master, most often a family member, and from there, you'd do the job you learned. Warfare and fighting were, without a doubt intense enough skills that they required serious training in order to achieve competence, and so too, for that matter, was espionage.
The skills required to be a successful spy are far more demanding to learn than you seem to think. It's not just something you can pick up on the fly because your lord tells you to. It takes a long time to learn all the ins and outs--it's essentially a trade in its own right, which is why your comment in the previous video about the Iga and Koga men being particularly sought after for their skills in this field struck a nerve with me.
While you say there is no such thing as a Shinobi "clan" or a Shinobi "order", or even a Shinobi "tradition", and YET the proof that any of these actually exist comes out of your own mouth. The fact that the men from Iga and Koga were sought after for their skills means that someone must've taught these men, or if we have an understanding of apprenticeships, a great many someones. These someones would usually be family members that knew the trade--hence ninja FAMILIES--and those family members had to be taught by an older master who in turn had to be taught by an even older master, and so on--hence, a TRADITION.
Since these guys were clearly good at what they did, we can move on to another subject;
NOT EVERYTHING SURVIVES IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL RECORDS. This is a pretty obvious rule, one that you DON'T seem to understand. By your logic, I would have to say that most people in the medieval world walked around naked, since we have so few specimens of actual recovered garments. This is blatantly untrue because we know that cloth doesn't survive for a thousand years in damp soil--it disintegrates. Just because we don't have the evidence in these situations doesn't categorically make it completely false--it just makes it unknown, and it should be extraordinarily obvious that espionage is always going to be in one of these positions. For something that isn't meant to be known, it makes so very little sense to assume that there would be heaps of evidence left for us to see four HUNDRED years later, ESPECIALLY if they were good at their jobs. Of course we don't know much about the ninja, they were SPIES. They weren't SUPPOSED to be understood, and to that end you can't CAN'T go around making assumptions based on a lack of evidence. The only truthful thing you can say in this situation is WE DON'T KNOW, because we don't. We really don't know how they work, and we're never GOING to know how they work. There isn't enough evidence.
I think you are commenting on the wrong video, This is my other video and a far more fitting one for this comment ruclips.net/video/MU3FOUiguQs/видео.html
@@TheShogunate Does that matter? The whole series in general contains these exact flaws; there's doubletalk that could rival even a politician, a severe lack of understanding of how certain social systems play out in a feudal world, and a lot of this video categorically contradicts the previous one. The reason I put the comment on THIS video is that MAYBE just MAYBE you'd see it and not blow it off.
But of course that's what your doing. You make a snide little comment just so you don't have to fight back. I usually find using ad hominem attacks to be distasteful and dirty, but goddamn it, this is lazy, cowardly, and quite frankly insulting. Either argue my points back, or admit defeat. Don't just dismiss it like common trash you don't have the time to deal with.
@@graysonbaker1744Sorry, I don't argue with viewers.There will be no fight nor victory. It's not meant to be insulting or dismissive, it's just something I try not to do with anyone.
Next time you see that man you will drop what you're doing walk over to him and apologize do you understand
Ther is no ninja ther is Shinobi.
What do you call a bunch of hypocrite Cowboys that don't want to take responsibility for their mistakes.
Hypocrite cowards doesn't want to take responsibility for their mistakes
These guys in Donald Trump make a good team Donald Trump will put a big wall and these guys will kick everyone out
How about you talk about what is says not talk about it?!!!!
The point of this video is to see what the Banseshukai can teach us, there is a link in the description if you would like to actually read the book for yourself!