the reason why the bulls won so many games in the 94' season was because: 1) they added a lot of complementary pieces when jordan left 2) chicago actually ran a system. so when one of the main players doesnt play, the other players still know what to do, and thats the reason when lebron leaves the players are lost because the "lebron system" is gone(dont stand around the 3 and wait for the pass but actually do something with the ball and off the ball), its not that difficult to understand really
Los literally got bitched and got his own logic used against him, next time they need a moderator or have Kenny with Low and Specific with Los to debate with Chenzo as the moderator
Yeah los can’t hold his own in an argument and I think this argument was kind of unfair because los isn’t that experienced when it comes to basketball so a two on two debate would be better
@@reddithater8970 this comment makes no fucking sense when Los literally claims he has “high basketball iq” and says he’s watched basketball all his life
I was listening to this guy 2-3 years ago because and stopped mostly listening to the community in general but even then I knew he knew nothing about basketball
Man the reason Jordan is my goat without ever watching him play during his time is simple when Jordan was that man no one ate he dominated in every facet like these dudes was barely gettin rings mvps scoring titles all because of one person look how many all time greats he kept absolutely ringless
That’s the thing with me too he literally dominated the 90’s. If it wasn’t for his dad passing away and him retiring periodically, he probably would have 8 rings rn 💯.
@@zannen24 nah man jordan still the goat don’t get me wrong but the rockets were a nightmare matchup for the bulls and I might be wrong but I swear the bulls had like a 1-7 record vs the rockets over the previous few years, hakeem gets at least 1 ring regardless imo
@@XXEXETREMEHEROXX I agree, then jordan coming back the next year with revenge and getting that ring lol. Sad we didnt get to see Them two in the finals. Jordan would've had atleast 7 rings if he didnt retire
In words of baron Davis when he spoke about John Stockton . “ John Stockton bust my ass so bad he made me think I didn’t know how to play basketball “ . A lot of players back then didn’t have the look but they was nice as hell.
Totally agree. Gary Payton said something like that too about Stockton. I think a lot of people keep underestimating Basketball IQ, skill and metal toughness and overestimating talent.
@@bvidude8064 100% agree. He is underrated because he is white, fundamental, and not flashy. He is smart, durable, competitive, great passer, good shot, great defender, etc... Baron was happy as hell when Stockton retired lol
6"3 Steve Nash- 2x MVP ( 2005, 2006 ). If Steve Nash won the MVP in the 90s, Lebron fans would say that white non-sports players dominated the 90s. Lebron nfans are so $tupid. Lol.
It’s true. He the kind of person that make me critique Lebron. So much the past year . He’s best but los is the most emotional fanatic ever never holds Lebron accountable For failures or even the facts thats he avoids is ridiculous. I love Lebron but he makes it hard to love him in public with people who act like los
@@salvatoresultana4058 Them niggas ain’t come back from 3-1 against the team with best record. Oldheads are nostalgic and out of touch, I’m glad this generation dont take y’all opinions serious no more 😂
STATISTICALLY, they are actually pretty comparable in with Bron beating him in most categories. So I see where he could get the idea. Especially with the rise of the 3PT shooting because Bird wins in reg season percentage while Bron wins in Playoff Percentage. But we know Bron is more of a Drive & Finish type while Bird is more of a pull up. But Bron has a nasty post game. Soooo, I would really say Bron is a better shooter, BUT it can be aregued.
Bird has the better career 3pt %, but has like close to 4,000 LESS 3pt attempts than LeBron. Bird has the better career FT % but has less career FT attempts per game than LeBron. The stats are in favour of Bird but you can see how it’s a little misleading. At the end of the day, it’s comparing two players from different eras where trends and norms are different as well. I would say just a pure jump shot or 3 point shot, Bird is the better shooter but again, it’s hard to compare.
He actually is. Bird’s 3 point shots made isn’t even over 1 for his career. I swear y’all just think everything media says is true. Because he was a good shooter for his time y’all acting like he’s that good in the standards of today.
Didn't know LOW was such a casual when it comes to Wilt Chamberlain's era. Wilt had to go up against HOF centers Bill Russell, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy. In a 9 team leauge. Which means he had to face a HOF center every other game. Shame on LOW for spreading that myth.
Los would be perfect on espn. Doesn’t know what he’s saying and asks the same question back when he gets put in a tough situation and resorts to yelling and interrupting
He is. Higher FG%, Higher eFg% its not that higher. But considering Larry hasn't touched the amount of shots Lebron has hit. Larry Bird was 1st in the league twice with under 100 3pts made. Lebron does that almost every damn year LOL.
@@zetsutsuletsu2034 no just stop LeBron never had a 50/40/90 season, also Dwight Howard has a higher fg% than MJ, does that make him a better shooter? Ofc not. LeBron takes his shots closer to the basket than Larry Bird. Bird averaged a higher % from 3 than LeBron and ft%. Ur fucking dumb as hell if u think LeBron James is a better shooter than Larry Bird.
@@cactusstan8580 not only did phil leave, pippen, rodman and pretty much everyone leave, the “system” that “won” jordan those rings got dogged without jordan in 94-95 season, the bulls when jordan got drafted were just as bad if not worse than the cavs lebrond got drafted by, los himself said bron would have 1 ring if he never left the cavs but jordan made them one of the best franchises in the league, LOW just proved to most casuals that jordan is undoubtedly the goat
Los reminds me of a friend I have... they simply don't listen to you when you get them and just start screaming. They contradict themselves then say your changing the subject when the subject never changed.
The gap between 2011 heat and the Mavs is a lot bigger than the 2016 Cavs vs the Warriors. The Warriors were a even team talent wise. Also Jordan has the edge on Lebron stat wise not the other way around. Lebron might have more career totals but that is a longevity argument and not equate to how good they really were on the court.
This man just contradicted himself with the rings in the Shaq vs Hakeem comparasion lmao this is proof lebron fans actually do care about rings and just don’t want to admit Jordan is better than bron
I’m a Bron fan and I believe he’s better... He may not have a greater career than Jordan but I think he’s a greater player... Just my opinion... I think anything that Jordan did, LBJ can do but MJ can’t do everything that Bron can do... I also think if you drop a prime LBJ in the 80’s and 90’s he runs wild over all of those players... Magic averaged 20 and 10... LBJ is the same size but much faster, a lot stronger, and a much better shooter... My argument for LBJ is evolution... These kids these days are born to play basketball... Put in the best camps and have the best trainers since they’re able to walk... The league is a lot more skilled and athletic... It looks watered down because everyone is freakishly athletic... Not just a hand full of players like it was back then... You can argue “mamba mentality” or “clutch gene” all you want... I just think at LBJ’s best, there’s no player better... A lot of the arguments I always see for Jordan is his accomplishments and not actually what they can do on the floor... I go off of what I see... I think LBJ is the most talented player ever...
@@djgarrett1625 that’s the thing tho, to be the greatest player in a sport your achievements matter the most because that’s what you’ll be remembered for when it’s all said and done. Same thing with your impact on the game, Lebron is the most talented by not the greatest which is why Jordan is the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME not the most TALENTED, but MJ has an argument for being the most talented on top of all his accolades
@@djgarrett1625 what can lebron do that Jordan can’t? besides him being a better playmaker and Jordan averaging more offensive rebounds the sample size of statistics in the clutch favor Jordan along with steals, blocks, every advanced statistic. On the defensive side of the ball jordan is the better on ball or off ball defender his defensive iq is higher and versatility doesn’t equal better at all. The offensive side of the ball there’s no argument for lebron being better again besides playmaking.
@@devontaelafleur3841 Jordan doesn’t make that chase down block on Andre Iguodala in the finals...Jordan didn’t have the range that LBJ has from the 3... What play have you seen MJ make that you knew Bron just physically couldn’t do? There isn’t one... Jordan has the greatest career out of any player ever... Maybe Kareem has an argument... But as far as talent... I think LBJ is the most talented player ever... And do you really think Jordan can rebound and block shots better than LBJ? C’mon man... I don’t care what stats say... LBJ is bigger, stronger, and just as athletic... If the ball is in the air I got money on LBJ grabbing it over MJ all day... That’s only common sense...
@@anuthapasubedi665 and that’s exactly how I define talent. Shaq just had more raw ability with his speed and athleticism and size than Hakeem did. Hakeem is more skilled because of the footwork, IQ, multiple moves all things u work on. Not to say Hakeem wasn’t a freak in his own right. But that has a lot to do with it IMO.
@@brando8888888888 true I get your side but to me Hakeem was more Athletic in terms of balance and quickness and skilled Shaq was just bigger but he did use it 😂 its a toss up really but I always say Hakeem was the most talented centre in nba history
Los talking like players like Shawn Kemp didn’t exist. Los confused the 90s with like the 50s. Players were roughly the same size and only a little less athletic. Verticals, 40 yard dashes etc. haven’t changed that much
also as LOW said it's relative because sports science gets better. Not really fair to old players when you belittle their athleticism because they were born in an older society
Exactly. Los always uses lebron having to go up against the warriors as an excuse. Then at the same time bashes jordan for having to go up against the pistons and the celtics and losing. Complete bronsexual and not even a smart one... he is quite tubby though.
@Patrick Morgan And it's why lebron's been swept twice in the finals and had a 3-6 finals record. He was able to beat up on the weak teams in the east but once he faced a west team he struggled because of how big the gap was between conferences.
@@kingdinodragonite3470 What you call a slow ass era is actually called playing on both ends of the floor unlike someone who just gave up playing defense.
Is it luck or hard work? 🤔 They developed into a championship team, the didn’t buy a championship. And Phil Jackson had never been a head coach before joining the Bulls. If Lebron doesn’t win straight away, he gets people fired or traded
Who TF was Phil Jackson b 4 MJ A failed assistant coach , Champion in another country, and a Next in line Assistant coach with MJ the GOAT and Legendary Tex Winter & the Triangle Offense
He didn’t call dwade lebron cp3 bosh all signed rookie contracts so when they end they would be free agents the same year to play together that’s why he going Miami.
If 2016 with the warriors injured was not a winnable championship then the 98 Jazz with pippen with a broken back and Jordan literally playing against the best pick and roll of all time was not a winnablr championship either but he won...
Damm Dirk Nowitzki is the most disrespected PF of all time smh🤦🏽♂️💯. I’m a huge LeBron fan but dirks 2011 chip was most definitely deserved for him 💯💯
KG is the most disrespected bro. It’s not even close. 2004 MVP season KG and put his stats in this fast era, he’ll average 30ppg 17reb and 6ast 3blks and 2stls
@@DJSmith100 that's kind of contradict but I was also happy about Jason Kidd with same reason. And Now, Kidd helped LBJ to win 2020 champs as assistant coach!!!
@@sinful.fx_6065 He’s talking about how consistent los is with players . for example Los was saying that Shaquille O’Neal was better than Hakeem because of just points, When Hakeem Olajuwon is more well-rounded player So he should be better than Shaquille O’Neal. You have to be consistent with all the other players you make in your list Just like how you say LeBron James is more Well rounded than Jordan. That should be the argument for why players are better than other players because of how well rounded you are, (If that’s your argument)
I was building my dream home when sadly I ran out of bricks. I see LeMickey walking down the street! All I had to do was tell him the game was on the line and he threw up enough bricks for me to finish my home! Thanks LeMickey you finally came in clutch!!
How did Jordan get drafted into a better team? The bulls were in a downward spiral before he came and Jordan did not have an amazing coach, Phil jackson was an unproven coach with style Tht was regarded as shit.
Fax. I think I saw in the last dance that Jerry Krause was super close to fire Phil in 1990. Jordan had to convince Jerry that Phil should not be fired. Without MJ, Jackson wouldn’t have won 6 rings and without those rings, I doubt the Lakers would have signed him. Instead of having 11 rings and known as one of the greatest coaches of all time, he probably would have been barely known. Butterfly effect.
@@bigmike212689 1. Don't be stupid. The Bulls won 9 games with Jordan, and then won 21 without him whilst he was injured. He didn't will them to anything, it was literally impossible for him to. 2. Let's say he DID "will them" to the playoffs, that's still not impressive at all. The East was so pathetically weak that in his second year Jordan's Bulls made the playoffs with a 30 win season. LeBron in his second year MISSED the playoffs with a 42 win season. 3. The Last Dance was a propaganda piece. The fact that people often quote it like a citation for information is so sad lol, Jordan got exactly what he wanted. Bare in mind I think Jordan is the GOAT, but the lengths people go to to defend absolutely ANY shortcoming in his career piss me off. Him being the best player with arguably the best career doesn't mean he was a perfect player with the perfect career. He had his flaws.
@ Jordan made the playoffs because it was so fucking weak in his early years that he could get the 8th seed with a 30 win season. Forget below .500, man had a sub .400 season and still made it.
I fell sorry for LoW, that other dude doesn´t even know how to make a point without changing the narrative, the subtext, the context, the argument itself, the background, the stats, the players, the years, his family, the sport, every single thing he doesn´t like, he change to support his argument which also doesn't exist.
@@camgrabert7963 Struggled to win in the playoffs but put up numbers that hasn't been matched yet. For example he got swept by the 86 Celtics but Jordan avr 43 a game for the series. Also Pippen wasn't and allstar 3 or 4 years in the league. He avr 8ppg rookie season. Once Jordan knew how to win it was over. Only player who could beat him was Hakeem Olajuwon.
Kobe had multiple injuries in 2011 lol if Kobe wasn’t injured I don’t think the lakers would’ve gotten swept and I think they would’ve made it out of the series.
I'd really would love to know what kind of championship caliber system of success Jordan and Brady found themselves drafted in when they were both losing teams with 0 rings when they were drafted.
This guy Los talking about luck 😅 Luck is having Draymond Green suspended on a bullshit call, having Curry playing injured and ejected (Curry has NEVER been ejected in his career) on a bullshit call, and having Bogut (GSW Primary defender) injured also..THAT IS LUCK. That 2016 chip had external influences it wasn't just earned fair and square.
@@gordonburt4414 u think a 73-9 perennial champion powerhouse team like the Warriors will just simply "blow a 3-1" lead? No. U stop it. Nobody EVER came back from a 3-1 deficit for a reason.. it's EXTREMELY hard to do. U can't deny the Cavs got lucky all that injury and ejection shit happened to the Warriors
@@crosswiz6 luck? Boi the year before that the cavs didn’t have love and kyrie in the finals , they lost dray and curry which is fine but the reality is that they blew it it’s not that hard to understand I watched all those games in crazy detail I’m a cavs fan bruh stop it
Los doesn’t understand that by using his logic on why lebron is better than Jordan you have to use for every other player and it just doesn’t make sense.
imagine thinking a guy who has to sit out half the season every season and choke a 3-1 lead is better than a guy who won 3 straight MVPS with a bad back and can drop 60 on you only left handed
@Patrick Morgan it is utter nonsense. nikola jokic who relies on pure skill and has no athletic ability is dominating the league yet they think bird would struggle despite him being one of the best finishers with either hand, his elite mid range and outside shooting to go alongside his 6-9 frame and tremendous passing ability and an elite iq.
Cleveland was preseason favorites in 2016 and the Warriors surprised everyone when they won over 70 games .. because everyone thought it was a fluke that they won in 2015
Finally, I thought I was the only one to say this. 2016 cavs were the favorite coming into the seasons. That changed when they seen warriors gunning for 73 wins. The 2016 cavs is a better team than the 2016 warriors
The funniest is when Los says the skill level was shit in the Jordan era...Like you can name a good 1/3 of the league that just don't have that mental drive to wanna do better just take a paycheck and bounce, there were stone cold killers in jordans era on every team this dude is the definition of casual ass lebron fan. No disrespect to bron its fans like Los that LeBron gets so much hate its one thing to hear the media talk about bron but then los all day cmon bruh.
3 things certain in life:
1)Death
2)Taxes
3) Los losing every argument
3 things certain in life:
1)Death
2)Taxes
3) Los saying tom brady is not in the goat conversation
Yeah he got murdered. It’s not even close. And he made the Lebron is better look terrible.
its like hes been forced to do a debate he didnt want to do for school lmao
I didn’t even do taxes last year lol
Tribes in Latin America and tribes in Sub Saharan Africa don't have to worry about taxes lol
The amount of patience this man Low has is unprecedented.
42:42 is when i lost it this dude los literally said his list was about talent then mentioned shaqs rings 😭
@@diego-br8vg when he said that I just thought in my head, this dude doesn't even know what his top 10 is about
Prolly cause he doesn’t take it that serious like most these dudes
Honestly los is the biggest idiot when it comes to basketball im dying
This lebron defender is an idiot
LOW ia 10x more knowledgable than LOS about basketball.
a million
@@sjnavaid FAX LMAOOOOOO
Stop..... cuz los has 0 knowledge. Don’t do LOW like that. 10x0=0 lol
@@dannysanchez4383 lol
Have to pump those numbers up a bit. This was a slaughter
the reason why the bulls won so many games in the 94' season was because:
1) they added a lot of complementary pieces when jordan left
2) chicago actually ran a system. so when one of the main players doesnt play, the other players still know what to do, and thats the reason when lebron leaves the players are lost because the "lebron system" is gone(dont stand around the 3 and wait for the pass but actually do something with the ball and off the ball), its not that difficult to understand really
Finally someone who knows basketball.
You know ball
how successful are teams before lebron gets there?
@@xcbaby123 how successful were the bulls before michael got there?
@@petricaleksa answering a question with a question. I rest my case 🤣
He really said no one calls Brady the greatest because of his 6 rings when people were legit calling him that when he won his 5th lmaooo
That literally made it seem like my man is not a sports guy at all. At this point majority of people call Brady the GOAT 🤦🏽♂️
Actually after his 4th*
He’s actually a causal lmao the only thing he knows is lebron
i like lebron but this od for real i miss kobe for real though
were you actually taking him serious he just trolling and there isn't a goat because every player dominates in different ways.
@@von1626 yes Los was 100% serious about everything he said
@@FlashXli no cap I just finished the whole vid and yeah that nigga was acting crazy when he said Larry bird wasn’t top 10
@@von1626 dude didn’t even know how dominant Hakeem was ☠️
Los got baited and exposed so many times I almost started crying
Los literally got bitched and got his own logic used against him, next time they need a moderator or have Kenny with Low and Specific with Los to debate with Chenzo as the moderator
Yeah los can’t hold his own in an argument and I think this argument was kind of unfair because los isn’t that experienced when it comes to basketball so a two on two debate would be better
@@reddithater8970 this comment makes no fucking sense when Los literally claims he has “high basketball iq” and says he’s watched basketball all his life
@@Phatbootyslayr I was trolling you fucking genius
Nah agent with low
In a previous tweet Kenny said he has no interest in a G.O.A.T debate in any form
This is dumbest “debate” I’ve ever seen
Los, talking louder doesn’t make you right 🤦🏾♂️
The amount of times LOW uses Los’s own logic against him made my day
This stream basically proved that Los knows nothing about basketball.
Vaistinu ivane
I was listening to this guy 2-3 years ago because and stopped mostly listening to the community in general but even then I knew he knew nothing about basketball
Or football
Sports in general...
Yep
Los dodged every question he didn’t like
His defense mechanism is to answer questions with questions lol 🤡
😭😭
@@cruzpangelina9924 he doesn’t even know the answers to his questions 😂
@@ayourmum8521 Fr 😂😂
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Los would probably lose a debate against Skip Bayless......
95% of people would lose a debate against skip bayless whatttttt ?!? It’s literally his job 😂😂
OffWhiteTee issa joke...
@@antgonz0 skip doesn’t know shit about basketball lmao
If the debate doesn’t involve any of his biases you’re losing the debate Skip is a master
Skip basically worships lebron so
Man the reason Jordan is my goat without ever watching him play during his time is simple when Jordan was that man no one ate he dominated in every facet like these dudes was barely gettin rings mvps scoring titles all because of one person look how many all time greats he kept absolutely ringless
That’s the thing with me too he literally dominated the 90’s. If it wasn’t for his dad passing away and him retiring periodically, he probably would have 8 rings rn 💯.
Oh and don’t forget DPOY too he said all these awards are mine lol
@@zannen24 nah man jordan still the goat don’t get me wrong but the rockets were a nightmare matchup for the bulls and I might be wrong but I swear the bulls had like a 1-7 record vs the rockets over the previous few years, hakeem gets at least 1 ring regardless imo
@@XXEXETREMEHEROXX I agree, then jordan coming back the next year with revenge and getting that ring lol. Sad we didnt get to see Them two in the finals. Jordan would've had atleast 7 rings if he didnt retire
45 HOF players to be exact 💯
“So what is he, 16,17?”
“He’s 48.”
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
This was a murder on camera. Los is the typical NBA fan and was destroyed lmao
Los is the typical lebronsexual.
In words of baron Davis when he spoke about John Stockton . “ John Stockton bust my ass so bad he made me think I didn’t know how to play basketball “ . A lot of players back then didn’t have the look but they was nice as hell.
Totally agree. Gary Payton said something like that too about Stockton. I think a lot of people keep underestimating Basketball IQ, skill and metal toughness and overestimating talent.
@@bvidude8064
100% agree. He is underrated because he is white, fundamental, and not flashy. He is smart, durable, competitive, great passer, good shot, great defender, etc...
Baron was happy as hell when Stockton retired lol
And baron was nice too
6"3 Steve Nash- 2x MVP ( 2005, 2006 ).
If Steve Nash won the MVP in the 90s, Lebron fans would say that white non-sports players dominated the 90s.
Lebron nfans are so $tupid. Lol.
Bro Stockton was cold as FUCK
Los is the reason ppl dislike LeBron lol
Fr because he don't know wtf he talking about.
It’s true. He the kind of person that make me critique Lebron. So much the past year . He’s best but los is the most emotional fanatic ever never holds Lebron accountable For failures or even the facts thats he avoids is ridiculous. I love Lebron but he makes it hard to love him in public with people who act like los
Fax.
Los lost the debate Jordan was never lucky 6 and 0 stop it lebron has lost six finals
He sounds like Nick Wright making excuses for Lebron making up lies dude just stop it already
Jeff Hornacek top 25 games & main defender:
* 1994-11-23 (40 pts, Kendall Gill)
* 1992-11-13 (39 pts, Reggie Lewis)
* 1993-02-12 (37 pts, Reggie Williams)
* 1994-02-07 (36 pts, Hersey Hawkins)
* 1992-12-11 (36 pts, Ron Harper)
* 1990-05-31 (36 pts, Clyde Drexler)
* 1994-11-12 (35 pts, Bryant Stith)
* 1992-12-26 (35 pts, Rod Strickland)
* 1992-03-13 (35 pts, Hersey Hawkins)
* 1992-03-31 (34 pts, Clyde Drexler)
* 1993-01-23 (33 pts, Todd Day)
* 1991-12-06 (33 pts, Nick Anderson)
* 1993-01-1 (32 pts, Nick Anderson)
* 1992-11-20 (32 pts, Glen Rice)
* 1991-11-01 (32 pts, Ricky Pierce)
* 1989-02-21 (32 pts, Mitch Richmond)
* 1998-04-01 (31 pts, Stacey Augmon)
* 1995-03-28 (31 pts, Dan Majerle)
* 1994-01-10 (31 pts, Dee Brown)
* 1992-04-26 (31 pts, Paul Pressey)
* 1992-01-11 (31 pts, Chris Mullin)
* 1991-11-29 (31 pts, Kendall Gill)
* 1991-11-12 (31 pts, Chris Mullin)
* 1991-04-09 (31 pts, Mitch Richmond)
* 1996-11-21 (30 points, Latrell Sprewell)
- Jeff Hornacek was putting up these numbers on athletic and talented defenders. Hornacek would be BETTER in today's 3 Pt shooting soft leauge. This low IQ LosPollos guy knows jack sh*t about basketball history. He literally called him John Havlicek lmao.
And John havlichek was cold too lol
The 2011 loss is one of the greatest failures in sports history.
2016 Finals is the greatest Finals performances in NBA history
@@user-xb4fm5rx8h it isn’t better than Shaq in 2000 or MJ in 1993 and the stats say so.
@@salvatoresultana4058 Them niggas ain’t come back from 3-1 against the team with best record. Oldheads are nostalgic and out of touch, I’m glad this generation dont take y’all opinions serious no more 😂
the brady analogy was so stupid. football literally has two sides of the ball and they’re specific positions
everybody says tom is the best qb to touch the field I'm not sure wtf los talking about
Right , it’s way more of a system game than basketball
And in football it’s rare to move around to different teams. If your a qb in the nfl you have to be a system QB
@@iitsmano and you play the same position, you don’t switch
@@ZamireMke exactly, he cant compare those things
Even bronsexuals on Twitter are shaming him for the stuff he saying 🤣🤣💀.
“We dont claim him”💀
WaltWill3 low is the realest Lebron fan
@@easylife6348 FAX
@@easylife6348 Low isn't a lebron fan. He's a lakers fan.
He literally said Jordan was drafted into a better situation than LeBron. Travelling Cocaine Circus, anyone?
los just said lebron a better shooter than bird, I'm done...
I didn't catch that part and I'm glad I didn't
Just seen it. If that's not a troll then he should just not talk basketball ever again
STATISTICALLY, they are actually pretty comparable in with Bron beating him in most categories. So I see where he could get the idea. Especially with the rise of the 3PT shooting because Bird wins in reg season percentage while Bron wins in Playoff Percentage. But we know Bron is more of a Drive & Finish type while Bird is more of a pull up. But Bron has a nasty post game. Soooo, I would really say Bron is a better shooter, BUT it can be aregued.
Bird has the better career 3pt %, but has like close to 4,000 LESS 3pt attempts than LeBron. Bird has the better career FT % but has less career FT attempts per game than LeBron. The stats are in favour of Bird but you can see how it’s a little misleading. At the end of the day, it’s comparing two players from different eras where trends and norms are different as well. I would say just a pure jump shot or 3 point shot, Bird is the better shooter but again, it’s hard to compare.
He actually is. Bird’s 3 point shots made isn’t even over 1 for his career. I swear y’all just think everything media says is true. Because he was a good shooter for his time y’all acting like he’s that good in the standards of today.
@@nets4life377 do me a favor and stop talking basketball
How did jordan get drafted to a better situation? His team was full of crack heads wen he was drafted
Didn't know LOW was such a casual when it comes to Wilt Chamberlain's era. Wilt had to go up against HOF centers Bill Russell, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy. In a 9 team leauge. Which means he had to face a HOF center every other game. Shame on LOW for spreading that myth.
Yeah that was kind of disappointing. Oh well. At least we have evidence to disprove those ridiculous claims.
Low destroyed los
@@ashketchem7258 he did you mad
@@ashketchem7258 casual
@@ashketchem7258 my nigga I like LeBron and Jordan... but this debate wasn’t even fucking close
@@dagoat3595 ngl bruh I swear that said los destroyed low lmaoo
@@773d0n fax I read it the wrong way lmaoo
THIS TUBBY SAID KAWHI IS BETTER THAN LARRY BIRD ALL TIME
Los: "I'm not a casual, stop calling me that!!"
Also Los:
Larry bird is not even top 70 all time
@@bagheera5150 🤨
@@bagheera5150 imagine being on Los level of casualness lol
@@bagheera5150 delusional
Was los playing Dodgeball because he wasn’t trying to get hit by every question
L You should’ve said dodging every question
@@brybry3k yeah low key
Los would be perfect on espn. Doesn’t know what he’s saying and asks the same question back when he gets put in a tough situation and resorts to yelling and interrupting
“Nobody is saying that Tom Brady is the greatest football player to ever live” HUHHHHHH????
Mans said lebron is a better shooter than bird
🤣🤣🤣
He is. Higher FG%, Higher eFg% its not that higher. But considering Larry hasn't touched the amount of shots Lebron has hit. Larry Bird was 1st in the league twice with under 100 3pts made. Lebron does that almost every damn year LOL.
@@zetsutsuletsu2034 no just stop LeBron never had a 50/40/90 season, also Dwight Howard has a higher fg% than MJ, does that make him a better shooter? Ofc not. LeBron takes his shots closer to the basket than Larry Bird. Bird averaged a higher % from 3 than LeBron and ft%. Ur fucking dumb as hell if u think LeBron James is a better shooter than Larry Bird.
@@milp.2503 lebron shoots like 35 percent 3 ft and out from the cup
@@chadwatkins7611 still means he takes shots and scores from inside the paint a majority of the time.
los got swept LMAO
Lmao facts 💯💯😂
4-0 Los lost
los lost the debate soon as he called jordan a system player
Rodman averaged like 16 boards on the Bulls
you can’t prove that he’s not 😂 he never won shit without him. and that’s why he retired after 98 bcs he knows he can’t win without him
without Phil Jackson!
@@cactusstan8580 travis only makes good music cause of auto tune, shut up kid
@@cactusstan8580 not only did phil leave, pippen, rodman and pretty much everyone leave, the “system” that “won” jordan those rings got dogged without jordan in 94-95 season, the bulls when jordan got drafted were just as bad if not worse than the cavs lebrond got drafted by, los himself said bron would have 1 ring if he never left the cavs but jordan made them one of the best franchises in the league, LOW just proved to most casuals that jordan is undoubtedly the goat
Los reminds me of a friend I have... they simply don't listen to you when you get them and just start screaming. They contradict themselves then say your changing the subject when the subject never changed.
As soon as Los said “he’s stronger and bigger than jordan” I knew he lost 😂😂😂😂
It's hard to watch Los talk about basketball he literally doesn't know anything. LOW is actually what someone who knows about basketball looks like.
legit knows nothing
LOW KOT4Q BSOLZ some of the best at what they do. 2Hype, Troydan, Los don’t really know ball but act like they do
@@cavsfan5236 idk about bsolz & low
@@wipe919 what???
@@cavsfan5236
I agree they are wrong about a couple of things about nba history pre 2000s. They do have some knowledge though.
As soon as los gets cornered he strts yelling then changes the argument😂
😂😂
It’s like a sports analyst and a 4 year old debating sports
Low is far from an analyst
@@evanpoulsen9947 if he’s far from an analyst then los shouldn’t be allowed to ever talk about sports
The gap between 2011 heat and the Mavs is a lot bigger than the 2016 Cavs vs the Warriors. The Warriors were a even team talent wise. Also Jordan has the edge on Lebron stat wise not the other way around. Lebron might have more career totals but that is a longevity argument and not equate to how good they really were on the court.
The only argument LeBron has over Jordan is longevity. MJ has LeBron on every other category.
That’s why LeBron is striving so hard to be #1 in all these career stats cause he knows the only thing he has against Jordan is longevity.
“Team defense starting existing in some teams” I didn’t know the NBA back then were 1v1 tournaments 😂😂
This man just contradicted himself with the rings in the Shaq vs Hakeem comparasion lmao this is proof lebron fans actually do care about rings and just don’t want to admit Jordan is better than bron
Im a lebron fan and Los is an idiot when it comes to nba,dknt take his word for all of us
I’m a Bron fan and I believe he’s better... He may not have a greater career than Jordan but I think he’s a greater player... Just my opinion... I think anything that Jordan did, LBJ can do but MJ can’t do everything that Bron can do... I also think if you drop a prime LBJ in the 80’s and 90’s he runs wild over all of those players... Magic averaged 20 and 10... LBJ is the same size but much faster, a lot stronger, and a much better shooter... My argument for LBJ is evolution... These kids these days are born to play basketball... Put in the best camps and have the best trainers since they’re able to walk... The league is a lot more skilled and athletic... It looks watered down because everyone is freakishly athletic... Not just a hand full of players like it was back then... You can argue “mamba mentality” or “clutch gene” all you want... I just think at LBJ’s best, there’s no player better... A lot of the arguments I always see for Jordan is his accomplishments and not actually what they can do on the floor... I go off of what I see... I think LBJ is the most talented player ever...
@@djgarrett1625 that’s the thing tho, to be the greatest player in a sport your achievements matter the most because that’s what you’ll be remembered for when it’s all said and done. Same thing with your impact on the game, Lebron is the most talented by not the greatest which is why Jordan is the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME not the most TALENTED, but MJ has an argument for being the most talented on top of all his accolades
@@djgarrett1625 what can lebron do that Jordan can’t? besides him being a better playmaker and Jordan averaging more offensive rebounds the sample size of statistics in the clutch favor Jordan along with steals, blocks, every advanced statistic. On the defensive side of the ball jordan is the better on ball or off ball defender his defensive iq is higher and versatility doesn’t equal better at all. The offensive side of the ball there’s no argument for lebron being better again besides playmaking.
@@devontaelafleur3841 Jordan doesn’t make that chase down block on Andre Iguodala in the finals...Jordan didn’t have the range that LBJ has from the 3... What play have you seen MJ make that you knew Bron just physically couldn’t do? There isn’t one... Jordan has the greatest career out of any player ever... Maybe Kareem has an argument... But as far as talent... I think LBJ is the most talented player ever... And do you really think Jordan can rebound and block shots better than LBJ? C’mon man... I don’t care what stats say... LBJ is bigger, stronger, and just as athletic... If the ball is in the air I got money on LBJ grabbing it over MJ all day... That’s only common sense...
The fact he said Shaq is more talented then Hakeem shows he’s a total casual
Now there is a debate, but when it came to talent it was Hakeem. But when it came to raw pure domination and strength, shaq.
@@jininycricket7089 Hakeem was not more talented than Shaq. He’s definitely more skilled than Shaq was but Shaq is definitely more talented
@@brando8888888888 nah Shaq was bigger and more Athletic but Hakeem was more skilled and talented based on the fact that Hakeem started playing at 16.
@@anuthapasubedi665 and that’s exactly how I define talent. Shaq just had more raw ability with his speed and athleticism and size than Hakeem did. Hakeem is more skilled because of the footwork, IQ, multiple moves all things u work on. Not to say Hakeem wasn’t a freak in his own right. But that has a lot to do with it IMO.
@@brando8888888888 true I get your side but to me Hakeem was more Athletic in terms of balance and quickness and skilled Shaq was just bigger but he did use it 😂 its a toss up really but I always say Hakeem was the most talented centre in nba history
Los talking like players like Shawn Kemp didn’t exist. Los confused the 90s with like the 50s. Players were roughly the same size and only a little less athletic. Verticals, 40 yard dashes etc. haven’t changed that much
also as LOW said it's relative because sports science gets better. Not really fair to old players when you belittle their athleticism because they were born in an older society
Lol the athleticism wasn’t a lil less. It was roughly the same or you could argue that their was more athletic players back in the 90’s
@@samoso6979 The best players in the 90's are as athletic as today but the worst are way worse than today's worst.
When have basketball players ever been testing in a 40
Los is the worst kinda person to have a debate with…he doesn’t even remember what he says 2mins later 😂🤣. PURE COMEDY!!!
Los says MJ won because of a system like Brady. But Brady just left the system and won without the system. It’s a mindset not a system!
The difference is that jordan failed to get out the first round but still balled out ,while lebron made it to the finals and underperformed in 2011
Exactly. Los always uses lebron having to go up against the warriors as an excuse. Then at the same time bashes jordan for having to go up against the pistons and the celtics and losing. Complete bronsexual and not even a smart one... he is quite tubby though.
@Patrick Morgan And it's why lebron's been swept twice in the finals and had a 3-6 finals record. He was able to beat up on the weak teams in the east but once he faced a west team he struggled because of how big the gap was between conferences.
FACTS 🔥
Exactly.
Exactly but these bron sexuls be acting like mj choked
I wish Low brought up Mike having 5 40 points games in 2001 when he was 40 against the toughest defense and avg 20 ppg
He did that in a slow ass era where teams scoring 90 is considered high. Nowadays, 120pts for teams are common
@@kingdinodragonite3470 wouldn’t that mean he’d score more 🤷🏿♂️
@@kingdinodragonite3470 What you call a slow ass era is actually called playing on both ends of the floor unlike someone who just gave up playing defense.
@@blankcheck31209 fax. MJ averaging 45ppg easy
King Dino Dragonite the reason why you see teams scoring 120 pts is because of rules changing that force weaker defense
Los got pressed HEAVY. I knew there was no coming back when he started dodging the Kawhi question
Is it luck or hard work? 🤔 They developed into a championship team, the didn’t buy a championship. And Phil Jackson had never been a head coach before joining the Bulls. If Lebron doesn’t win straight away, he gets people fired or traded
the bias and inconsistency on Los's arguments is hilarious
Dude in the heat just KILLED him with the Hakeem and Jordan era
😂😂😂😂😂
Los can’t win a argument it’s embarrassing terrible points.
When he starts losing he starts yelling at him when he answers a dumb question
I revisit this every few months just to see how terrible Los is at debating.
Who TF was Phil Jackson b 4 MJ
A failed assistant coach , Champion in another country, and a Next in line Assistant coach with MJ the GOAT and Legendary Tex Winter & the Triangle Offense
Yup. Jordan & the rest had to build a Team that It's franchise had 0 winning culture
Hakeem is far more skilled than Shaq. On Offense and defense.
Fax the only reason I say shaq is better is because of his god given abilities. No doubt Hakeem is the most skilled post scorer ever.
@@B1RDM4N11 shaq aint better hakeem way better
@not hating Just speaking fax well obviously, I never said he wasnt. Shaq's game just relied more on physical gifts
Low: *mentions JJ Berea
Los: THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A CIVIL DISCUSSION!!!
Why does Los even try? I preciate the entertainment tho Lou😂
Bro 10 minutes in and this dude Los proved he knows nothing about the history after he just said he’s done his research 😂😂😂
“No one is saying Brady is the greatest ever” lololol okay
Your argument is that Jordan was lucky?😂😂😂 so Lebron should get credit for calling his friends up to come play with him?
“Jordan was lucky”
*decides to get two other all stars every time he wanted to contend*
He didn’t call dwade lebron cp3 bosh all signed rookie contracts so when they end they would be free agents the same year to play together that’s why he going Miami.
Bruh I died when he brought up JJ Barea guarding LeBron 😂😂😂
He was trolling Los at that point.
The way this guy treats his viewers and subscribers is unbelievable. Never thought a person could be so hostile in my life
If 2016 with the warriors injured was not a winnable championship then the 98 Jazz with pippen with a broken back and Jordan literally playing against the best pick and roll of all time was not a winnablr championship either but he won...
Damm Dirk Nowitzki is the most disrespected PF of all time smh🤦🏽♂️💯. I’m a huge LeBron fan but dirks 2011 chip was most definitely deserved for him 💯💯
I have him over KG, Karl Malone, and Charles Barkley
KG is the most disrespected bro. It’s not even close. 2004 MVP season KG and put his stats in this fast era, he’ll average 30ppg 17reb and 6ast 3blks and 2stls
agree
As a Lebron fan I'm actually glad Lebron lost because Dirk is well deserved of a ring
@@DJSmith100 that's kind of contradict but I was also happy about Jason Kidd with same reason. And Now, Kidd helped LBJ to win 2020 champs as assistant coach!!!
LOW literally hit the weakness of every LeBron stan's argument: the lack of consistency
tf? thats bron greatest strength
@@sinful.fx_6065 He’s talking about how consistent los is with players . for example Los was saying that Shaquille O’Neal was better than Hakeem because of just points, When Hakeem Olajuwon is more well-rounded player So he should be better than Shaquille O’Neal. You have to be consistent with all the other players you make in your list Just like how you say LeBron James is more Well rounded than Jordan. That should be the argument for why players are better than other players because of how well rounded you are, (If that’s your argument)
@@lamontwhite2414 yep dude switches from championships to skill sets when talking about his own list that excluded championships😂
Jordan made the best career in basketball in 11 years which is insane
This is one of the best debates I ever watched
I was building my dream home when sadly I ran out of bricks. I see LeMickey walking down the street! All I had to do was tell him the game was on the line and he threw up enough bricks for me to finish my home! Thanks LeMickey you finally came in clutch!!
Isn't lebron tied with the 4th most buzzer beaters of all time? Nice copypasta lmao.
How did Jordan get drafted into a better team? The bulls were in a downward spiral before he came and Jordan did not have an amazing coach, Phil jackson was an unproven coach with style Tht was regarded as shit.
Fax. I think I saw in the last dance that Jerry Krause was super close to fire Phil in 1990. Jordan had to convince Jerry that Phil should not be fired. Without MJ, Jackson wouldn’t have won 6 rings and without those rings, I doubt the Lakers would have signed him. Instead of having 11 rings and known as one of the greatest coaches of all time, he probably would have been barely known. Butterfly effect.
@ Jordan played 18 games in 86 and his team still made the playoffs.
@@MastaBlastaS99 Jordan came back and willed them to the playoffs lol state facts 1st they wanted to tank even said it in the Last Dance
@@bigmike212689 1. Don't be stupid. The Bulls won 9 games with Jordan, and then won 21 without him whilst he was injured. He didn't will them to anything, it was literally impossible for him to.
2. Let's say he DID "will them" to the playoffs, that's still not impressive at all. The East was so pathetically weak that in his second year Jordan's Bulls made the playoffs with a 30 win season. LeBron in his second year MISSED the playoffs with a 42 win season.
3. The Last Dance was a propaganda piece. The fact that people often quote it like a citation for information is so sad lol, Jordan got exactly what he wanted.
Bare in mind I think Jordan is the GOAT, but the lengths people go to to defend absolutely ANY shortcoming in his career piss me off. Him being the best player with arguably the best career doesn't mean he was a perfect player with the perfect career. He had his flaws.
@ Jordan made the playoffs because it was so fucking weak in his early years that he could get the 8th seed with a 30 win season. Forget below .500, man had a sub .400 season and still made it.
Title souldve been: when you have a 99 ovr demigod and you play against a 60 ovr
Jesus christ
12:03 did Louis really say Lebron is unlucky because he “created his own luck”??? Isn’t that his own fault??? Way to argue against yourself bubba.
Los: uses flawed argument against Jordan
Low: shows that the same flawed argument can be used against Lebron
Los: please don’t do this!
It was like watching every debate you have had with a LeBron fan being played out on video
I fell sorry for LoW, that other dude doesn´t even know how to make a point without changing the narrative, the subtext, the context, the argument itself, the background, the stats, the players, the years, his family, the sport, every single thing he doesn´t like, he change to support his argument which also doesn't exist.
Jordan just wasn’t lucky the reason why his teammates where good is because he made them good
They had to be good or they don't get to eat on the bus or plane ride back home.
so why was he struggling before pippen? why wasnt he making his teammates good before pippen got there? hows that work?
@@camgrabert7963 Struggled to win in the playoffs but put up numbers that hasn't been matched yet. For example he got swept by the 86 Celtics but Jordan avr 43 a game for the series. Also Pippen wasn't and allstar 3 or 4 years in the league. He avr 8ppg rookie season. Once Jordan knew how to win it was over. Only player who could beat him was Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@joaquinacardoso180 never beat a super team......
Why did they struggle when Pippen was holding out when he got injured?
This felt like watching the presidental debate where Los interrupted Low everytime he was spitting facts
Kobe had multiple injuries in 2011 lol if Kobe wasn’t injured I don’t think the lakers would’ve gotten swept and I think they would’ve made it out of the series.
Series*
Matt Barnes was injured too
@@Babydinomelll exactly casuals easily forget the circumstances of certain teams.
They were outplayed.
It would have went to six IMO
I'd really would love to know what kind of championship caliber system of success Jordan and Brady found themselves drafted in when they were both losing teams with 0 rings when they were drafted.
Thinking the same exact thing, Pats and Bulls were bad before they both arrived
We need this every month 😂
How is the mavs thing questionable. He didn’t show up for that series simple. 🤷🏾♂️
los need some manners
Los is hands down the biggest casual i’ve ever seen 😂 Lebron can be your second favorite player ever and he’ll call you a Hater.
Los might be one of the biggest most passionate casuals I’ve ever seen😭😭😭
THIS ACTUALLY HURTS TO WATCH 😂😂
If harden played in Jordan’s era, they’d actually call him for traveling
Nah refs back the. Use to throw games on purpose to make money
@@cataterat8 That was in the 2000s. And that was only 1 ref.
Achyut Badri do you honestly think it was just one ref
@@cataterat8 that's in the '00's
😂😂
This guy Los talking about luck 😅 Luck is having Draymond Green suspended on a bullshit call, having Curry playing injured and ejected (Curry has NEVER been ejected in his career) on a bullshit call, and having Bogut (GSW Primary defender) injured also..THAT IS LUCK. That 2016 chip had external influences it wasn't just earned fair and square.
Also Andre iguodala was injured. He probably would've dunked instead of going for a layup if he was healthy
ok so u acting like lebron didn’t lead every player in every major stat smh
Stop that, they blew a three one lead
@@gordonburt4414 u think a 73-9 perennial champion powerhouse team like the Warriors will just simply "blow a 3-1" lead? No. U stop it. Nobody EVER came back from a 3-1 deficit for a reason.. it's EXTREMELY hard to do. U can't deny the Cavs got lucky all that injury and ejection shit happened to the Warriors
@@crosswiz6 luck? Boi the year before that the cavs didn’t have love and kyrie in the finals , they lost dray and curry which is fine but the reality is that they blew it it’s not that hard to understand I watched all those games in crazy detail I’m a cavs fan bruh stop it
Los doesn’t understand that by using his logic on why lebron is better than Jordan you have to use for every other player and it just doesn’t make sense.
We need more of these
And this is how you debate without just knowing basketballreference.com 😂 LOW a GOAT 🐐💯
I was crying when juke entered the room and just stood there LMFAOOOOOOoo
imagine thinking a guy who has to sit out half the season every season and choke a 3-1 lead is better than a guy who won 3 straight MVPS with a bad back and can drop 60 on you only left handed
They claim that he wouldn't translate in this era despite his complete game.
@Patrick Morgan it is utter nonsense. nikola jokic who relies on pure skill and has no athletic ability is dominating the league yet they think bird would struggle despite him being one of the best finishers with either hand, his elite mid range and outside shooting to go alongside his 6-9 frame and tremendous passing ability and an elite iq.
Does los just not understand that Low is trying to prove that los’ logic is bad and not using it as Low’s own logic?
Cleveland was preseason favorites in 2016 and the Warriors surprised everyone when they won over 70 games .. because everyone thought it was a fluke that they won in 2015
how is winning 67 regular season games a fluke?
@@garywebb2432 you got me there
@@garywebb2432 Cleveland wins 66 and 61 games and LeBron bails.. WTF
@@jefferybarefield6372 true
Finally, I thought I was the only one to say this. 2016 cavs were the favorite coming into the seasons. That changed when they seen warriors gunning for 73 wins. The 2016 cavs is a better team than the 2016 warriors
Los forgot Larry Bird lmaooooo
This might have been the hardest 1hr vid I’ve watched in a very long time
Los doesn't understand anything haha, Low had thought out clear statements, and Los just yells and knows nothing about basketball
The funniest is when Los says the skill level was shit in the Jordan era...Like you can name a good 1/3 of the league that just don't have that mental drive to wanna do better just take a paycheck and bounce, there were stone cold killers in jordans era on every team this dude is the definition of casual ass lebron fan. No disrespect to bron its fans like Los that LeBron gets so much hate its one thing to hear the media talk about bron but then los all day cmon bruh.
Man, was tough listening to Los' arguments. Can sum it up to "come on,bro, I feel like this so this is an objective truth bro!"
I saw the title and was like damn RIP
los loses every argument he let snipe squad down
he didnt let anyone down, everyone's expectations are already at the ground
Los gets his logic used against him and then argues that it is wrong when it is HIS OWN LOGIC