I have supported Spurs for 62 years. The Arsenal rivalry should be no more than light hearted banter. The moment it takes over your life and is more important than anything else you need mental help.
@TooDarnSoulful When you cheer for opponents and the failings of rivals at the detriment of your own club's success, I think you've taken a quantum leap over the 'banter line'. You've got 3 managers telling you that the small mindset at Spurs is unparalleled to anything they've seen in their careers, yet you don't think the club is a disgrace? Fans happy to throw away a chance at UCL football if it means a rival doesn't succeed. Misery loves company and this club is miserable indeed.
As Spurs fan myself, I want Arsenal to be challenging for the title and going toe to toe with them. To use the rivalry to drag each other to the top. Our fans want the rivalry to be based on who's the bigger loser, fact is we're 23 points behind them, they're title challengers and we're also-rans, that does not make me happy.
@@joefurlong5252 dude so true, where was the passion in the previous games maybe if we had got at least a couple points outta them but we didn’t and now he spits his dummy out fuck that shit.
A WINNER? Impostercoglu's form for 3/4 of the season has been 10th place with a good group of players for most of those games, and he got knocked out of both cups in the 1st and second games. He's a good little league manager who is coming up massively short at this level. In the top FIFTEEN of the league table only chelsea, bournemouth, west ham and wolves have conceded more goals to ange and even then, Ange dropped 6 points to chelsea, 5 points to west ham and 6 points to wolves from those 4. Ange is a pound shop pochettino...
From Aussie: I like your comments & you are right,.... Spurs cannot see it,.... singing inside the Stadium supporting another Team is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!..... Ange walked away from the Australian Manager's Job (he went to Japan) when he got them qualified for the WP, the Aust Football Administration didn't have the vision Ange had, they were happy to 'just to qualify', Ange had aims beyond that,.... Spurs should be careful, he will leave!
@@TooDarnSoulfulimagine putting your body on the line as a player just to see your supporters sing and cheer when the opposition scores. It may well be banter but that's destructive to the core of the team.
Don’t sit in your room in america, and slag the Spurs fans off they have supported the team through thick and thin this season whilst watching some c**p games . So dumb down your comments on the Spurs supporters.
This is honestly really really disheartening. Seems we hate our rivals more than we love our club. We had a slim chance at winning 4th, I want my team to fight, claw, and bleed out on the pitch to win that spot, and if we don’t succeed and Arsenal wins because of us, so be it. At least we played with all our strength to win 4th.
Luke I agree with you, We had a lot of Spurs fans calling the radio stations that they are happy because the loss stopped Arsenal to win the league. Like you Luke I am one of minority of fans that thought it was embarssing that we are more concered at stopping Arsenal than what our own team does to win trophies. I just dont like my team losing full stop, Happy happy for what, , I am relieved Arsenal wont win the title because they are annoying you can hear them in the street.
I have been following Ange for over 20 years now and enjoy the journey with him as he hops from Club to Club bringing success wherever he goes. Strictly speaking Ange would have preferred to start in the Premier League at a lesser Club than Spurs to give him more time and experience to acclimatise at this level. When the Offer came from Spurs he couldn't pass it up so he entered in at the deep end from the word GO . I think under the circumstances he has held up really well in his 1st year. However under Ange,s own standard he has under achieved this year. Ange is a Fighter and a Spartan. Spartans only know Victory or Death. It's a shame Kane didn't stay at Spurs, he may have made a big difference to the outcome this year. Look at the Fiasco he ended up in at Bayern this year. They have grossly under performed after hastily sacking Oliver Khan who was still acclimatising in his new position there. Regardless of what has transpired so far Ange,s second year at any new club is his BIG ONE ! You can be sure he will pull out all stops imaginable at Spurs with an Iron Will. Winning the Title will be his goal. Anything less than that will be unacceptable. It's going to be an exciting year for Spurs next season.Ange will be relentless to achieve for Spurs.
That's how you can tell a small club from a big one. I don't really care about Spurs but I really like Ange and I hope things work out for him. This reminds me of Comte's rant back in the day.
As Chelsea fan, I am super happy with the result, buttt if chelsea playing in the spurs condition, absolutely I will support Chelsea to win the game, just because I grew up with Chelsea team that have winning mentality, want to win every match as possible
As an Aussie who has loved and supported Spurs for many years, here on the other side of the world, I have never understood the unhealthy obsession and hyper focus on our rivalry with Arsenal. It is an absolute distraction and unproductive practice. I 100% agree with Big Ange, he gets it, he understands the ideas and behaviour of players and fans that win things. He is trying to better a culture at Spurs and show these toxic ideas are killing them from within. Some people are just not open minded enough to see how silly it is. It hurts me to see our team lose, but I keep getting up at all hours of the morning to watch the games because I love Spurs.
Boys i guarantee you, Ange had all his players picked out 6 months ago. He know exactly who he wants by now, only thing stopping you from success now is Levy and Levy alone.
anges heart must be ripping. you can tell he is truley disgusted with the spurs fans. to come from celtic, the best fans in the world. to this? entitled, deluded and non loyal fans like spurs fans? id be done with this by now. spurs never deserved you big ange. let the club rot seriously. how many mangers and good managers have tried and failed. its clear ange is onto something here.
Im not a fan of any of those club but what i can tell you is that these kind of "rivalry" is not exactly on a sporting perspective. The derbys are teams located in the same city so the fan bases live with each other and constantly meet their neighbours who support a team you dont like and will on a daily basis poison your atmosphere when your team is performing poorly or will boast about how good of a team they got. And seeing how bad arsenal fanbase look like in terms of delusion and pettiness no wonder this rivalry grew so much . Imaging those spurs fan having to live with the fact that arsenal have won the league for the next decades or so you will hear about it!
Delusions of what? Arsenal have 13 titles and Spurs have 2. They should focus on winning instead of what Arsenal is doing. Wanting to lose just so your rivals dont get an advantage is pathetic behaviour no matter the rivalry.
As an Arsenal fan I can tell you I couldn't care less about Spurs. My rivals are United, Liverpool. Those are the games we look for. And as of recent we just needed to deal with City and Chelsea but there isn't rivalry there.
Please, keep telling yourself that. Yes, there is a rivalry indeed, especially with United, but those two teams don't consider you their main rivals. You guys even have a celebration on the day that you are finish above Tottenham in the league. Saint Totteringham's day. It pained you much when for seven seasons Tottenham finished above you straight. No CL football during that time while Spurs were regularly going and Liverpool always went. And you come here and say they are not your arch rivals. Get real...
As an arsenal fan i would say the exact same thing if spurs was about to win the league. And its not because i hate them more than i like us. But winning the premier league these days is unbelievable,and the amount of banter arsenal fans have endured over the past 20 years have been unbearable, so everyone in london is trying so hard for arsenal not to win the league, because they know their summer is ruined no matter how good their own team plays. Top 4 can be easily achieved next season with some more players
In 2019 arsenal fans said they would lose the Europa league final if it means spurs losing the champions League final it goes both ways he doesn't understand the rivalry. Kieron
I 99.99999% agree with you Luke; the only thing I will pull you up on is at 10.33...No! You COULDN'T care less. If you could care less then there is less caring you could do. That aside, some of our fanbase are a joke and should have an asterisks by the term Spurs fan
This is just an Americanism. If you react to everything that Americans say that isn't accurate to standard English (current English as spoken by the English) then that would be your full time job. Regardless of their phrasing, we in the UK almost always understand the Americans, the reverse is not always true. I agree with both of you re Spurs, not that my opinion matters to you guys - I'm an LFC fan. PS Careful with that asterisk talk! Some people put one next to our only PL title. 😂😜🤣
If Spurs helped Arsenal win the league their fans would never hear the end of it, it will haunt them for eternity. I'm sorry but Spurs losing was the best result for their fans, its not like they are going to win the champions league whilst they do have a decent chance at europa
I'm not sure you understand what a monumental achievement it is to win the Premier League these days against the unstoppable behemoth that is Pep Guardiola's Manchester City. Since he joined in 2016, only 2 teams have managed to beat them. Antonio Conte's Chelsea in 16/17, when Pep had just arrived and was still rebuilding, and Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool in 19/20, when City were riddled with injuries and the entire world was disrupted by covid and lockdowns. If Arsenal were to beat them after 20 years without a Premier League title, the celebrations would be historic. And if that had happened thanks to a Spurs victory over City, it would be instantly immortalized as an iconic moment in the rivalry. Spurs getting top 4 would be good for them for 1 season and then quickly forgotten. Arsenal winning the league thanks to Spurs would be incredible always and remembered forever.
Absolutely well said brother! I’m so over this ‘rivalry’ thing. As Ange said, we just want to win and we don’t care about anything else! I just subscribed to your channel all the way from Melbourne Australia! Keep up the great content mate!
From a spurs fan who wanted the loss, celebrating it was too far imo. I wasn't celebrating when we lost, but I was relieved. What I think a lot of other fans need to understand it we have it hard as spurs fans. Always in our rival's shadow, constantly hated on by several other clubs. If we had got top 4, relying on villa to not lose to palace which is very unlikely (they need a mere draw), we would most likely get grouped or knocked out in the RO16. In 10 years time, ppl wont remember us getting top 4 when we bomb out the next season, they'll remember their biggest [and still] trophyless rivals aiding their rivals in winning it.
I'm a fairly recent fan too, maybe we don't understand the history and the rivalry like the fans who have been there since they were born, but who cares. Ange is trying to build a team with a winning mentality. Their style of football this year pulled me in, but week in week out we see negative fans saying we're going to lose before we even kick a ball. We may lose, we may get thrashed by one of the big teams, but there has to be belief otherwise whats the point? COYS!
Jamie o'Hara, a former Spurs player and commentator at talksport, wore a man city shirt for his after game show. What a symbol of the disgraceful section of the spurs fanbase. Actually disgusting.
As an Arsenal fan, yes we're rivals, but we should all just focus on what we're doing, to be fair to Spurs, they did try, but like you said Luke, it's Man City, we all know what Man City are, Spurs fans hoping they lose so Arsenal don't win the league is an extremely small club mentality
100% correct - as a Spurs fan I want Spurs to win every game. Focusing on a rival (Arsenal) losing is ridiculous - people that think like this will never achieve anything.
@elastotec173 I agree, focusing on what others are doing is a stupid mentality to have, you focus on your club, and try and win as much as possible, like I said fair play to Ange and the players, they gave it an honest try
Y'all gotta stop with this bs lmao. You KNOW FOR A FACT if it was the opposite you would not want to help Spurs win the league. You would happily take a year of europa.
As an Aussie I have followed Ange everywhere he has been. He is a serial winner when given time to get his players and implement his style.. He will not keep players who wont buy in completely no matter what the reputation. I fee from past experience there is a clean out about to take place. Ange will not tolerate fools and people who wont work hard consistently. I may be wrong but I think a couple of boys from Celtic will be on his radar. Kyogo, Alastair Johnston and Reo Hatate. Reo is also mates with Mitoma from Brighton.
Ange said himself “top 4 isn’t a prize”. So if he wants to downplay the importance of it, then he can’t complain if the fans aren’t bothered by it either! And I don’t even support Spurs…but he’s being hypocritical
You have to understand, this spurs team would have forever been known (and ridiculed) as the team who gifted their biggest rivals a first league title in 20 years if they’d taken points off city. Some spurs fans would have never forgiven Postecoglou for it. That’s how deep this goes.
The league is won over 38 games so think about what you are saying it makes no sense.Teams should not be throwing games and fans should not be wanting their team to lose
Ange should walk, his mentality will NEVER be translated into the Spurs. Losing is ingrained into the spurs mentality and will never be fixed because thats just who Spurs are. He needs to go somewhere with ambition because clearly, Spurs fans don't give a shit about success, they only care about banter.
Listening to your podcast- Ange needs to install vindication on the scoring opportunities- Peps team and the gunners currently have it - as a Liverpool man we still have it - it will will come !!
LMAO, lay down the red carpet for another team to win the league and being happy your team pretty much sacrificed guaranteed champions league football is an awful mentality to have. And this is exactly why spurs will never be a serious club and progress, tinpot team.
It's people like you who are part of the problem. "The defeat today is no big deal". Of course it is!! Every time those players put on OUR shirt and OUR badge, they should be putting their lives on the line. I'm past caring about Woolwich do when we can't get over the line ourselves for or own bragging rights. We used to celebrate trophies, in the last decade and a half, what have we celebrated? Oh yeah, no St. Tottrings day(or whatever they call it) and now losing to City. Joke
@@CheriTheBeryNot really, almost every fan shares this opinion, if we are not doing well we don't want our rival doing well either, it is petty but this is how football is and always was
What makes Lukes' stream and others like his, is that, we are not the Main Stream Media, who are evil shit stirrers. I love Lukes' take on Football. Good Job Luke.❤
I'm Arsenal through and through but I'd never want my team to lose in order for Spurs to win, ìf they got there like we are over the course of the season then they are rightfully the better team.
Here is the thing. Im an Arsenal supporter, been that for over 25 years or so. I do get the rivalry between our teams and I would also not want Sp*rs to win anything and if that made us not get CL one year, sure, we have to lose so you guys dont see any trophies, BUT the issue is that the supporters were to much that day. Screaming at Ange and telling him to lose the game and all that was in my opinion over the line from a supporter stand of point. Ange do not understand this rivalry., this has been there long before Ange was even born. This rivalry are bigger that managers, players, owners and so on, but the behavior from the Sp*rs supporters were the issue.
As an American fan we don't expect you to understand the rivalry. You won't have friends and family who are Arsenal fans - you wouldn't understand how us handing the title to Arsenal would affect Spurs fans living over here. I don't respect the Spurs fans who cheered the City goals or did the Posnan in the stadium. But it's completely understandable that fans would be in 2 minds about the game the other night. Most rival fans would do the same if it was their city rival in the same situation. Jamie Carragher is the one pundit who was honest about the situation and said Spurs fans are completely understandable with their reactions and thoughts about the game. He's right to be angry with the fans who cheered the goals in the stadium, but it was an absolute minority of fans.
On point mate. Too true. Lets just try and win our games and thats it...... I won't be surprised if he resigns and if the fans wanted us to lose it is their fault. Why go to the match and want us to lose?🤷🏻♂️
You need to make an important distinction between the team and the fans. The team (most of them) did not grow up as spurs fans and do not have the same hatred of Arsenal as the fans. This is the same with Ange.
Welcome to the dark, toxic side of football fan and supporter culture. You've only seen the beauty of the beautiful game, with diehard supporters that will stick by their teams no matter what. While that is positive, there is always a negative and you've just been introduced to it especially the deep seated almost like its in your DNA type of rivalries.
I agree, .maybe it's being far away from what's happening but I realistically understand his frustration. That 25% wanting a loss, players shouting at the bench, Look at Jedinak and his face turning around in disgust
Not a spurs fan or an arsenal fan or a fan of any prem team tbh but i understand the history. This loss while embarrassing was definitely better than the alternative. Spurs are enough of a joke, imagine if they won arsenal the league. Imo you need to look into the history more, theres a reason these fans feel this way. Just my 2 cents
It was embarrassing to see Spurs fans celebrating after City score, huge club with a small club mentality. They have to give Ange what he wants in the summer to boost the depth of the squad. 5th in the league, just a couple of results off CL football in his first season playing arguably the most expansive football in the whole league. A lot of Spurs fans were moaning about the dull football under Conte and Mourinho, what do they want?! If they next couple of years go well for Spurs I can see him as a potential replacement for Pep at City. He fits the mould tactically.
@@marpop99exactly. Where was ange when we got battered by Newcastle Fulham and Villa? Why did he let arsenal go 3 up with a whimper. Why was he resting the whole team in a cup game when all he apparently wants to do is win trophies? He and his team killed the season for me by losing Newcastle. Then I was desperate for us to beat arsenal and they did that and now he wants to blame the fans? The cheek of it.
Luke, you need to see that a few years ago when Arsenal won the FA Cup, the players had a parade and when given a mic to address the crowd, the words were "What are Tottenham?" (the fans all chant "sh*t"). "What is sh*t?" (fans chant Tottenham). Rivalries are deeply personal and part of every day life. It is not like US sports. It is like bad neighbours, school bullies, etc. They hate you and you hate them. Real, genuine hate.
I can understand spurs fans secretly wanting to lose this singular game given the unique circumstances surrounding it but some of their behavior has been absolutely shocking lmao
Agree with pretty much everything you and Ange have said here except for one thing, Ange isn’t the first manager to identify this weak culture/mentally issue at Spurs. Mourinho hinted at it and Conte went absolutely in on it. If you think this interview was bad you need to see Conte’s from last season dude went on a legendary rant
For Me as a fan I have to say whilst I wasn’t cheering us on to lose but have to be honest I did approach it as a Win-win type game . We Win great ! We lose well…. it’s a big blow to Arsenal deep in the guts and that’s a win of sorts . If people don’t get that well … then they don’t know . At every opportunity Arsenal fans call us Sh-t , win nothing , spursy and so on . Mind you all this from a team that hasn’t won the league in 20years like there some sort of perennial winners 🙄
You maybe a new supporter to the club, but your views were I feel spot on. As someone who has supported Spurs for over 65 years, it’s about our club winning, not Arsenal!
I am ENGLISH, despite this name but tell this to any Scottish person who has had to endure, us English, continually, mentioning our World Cup win, especially in the Late 1960s/1970s/1980's and you live in the same area and attend the same places as hans of your rivals. Spurs fans might prefer an easier ride in The Europa Cup with THIS team who would be eliminated early in The Champions League .. Then if Spurs won,their fans would,endlessly,be "thanked" for handing the title to their rivals.
You are right but it's sad because when The Europa was The Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup, fans did not just care about the supreme trophy. Newcastle winning The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (b4 YEFA Cup) went crazy when 60,000 saw them win it 3/0 at St James's Park.
You’re obviously a new fan but this is certainly not the first manager to point this out, José spelled it out pretty clear. I think you’re a little optimistic over Ange transforming the mentality of the club, this happens time and time again where the manager at Spurs realised there’s a ceiling and later that the board will not support their ambitions, the disruption spills into the performances on the pitch and shortly after they leave. Seen it with Mourinho, Conte, Poch and now it’s starting to follow the pattern with Ange
Sorry I find it hard to believe if Jose Mourinho can't do it, Mauricio Pochettino can't do it, Conte can't do it, Ange can't do it. He is just realizing he has his work cut out for him.
It's a small club mindset. The last three managers have spoken on the fan and club mentaility, I don't believe Spurs win anything until they get it sorted and change the culture around the club.
Ange and the players need to concentrate on beating Wolves at home or not being total no-shows at Fulham just after grabbing control of 4th by beating Villa away. Those same fans gave him and players an ovation after losing badly to Chelsea earlier this season.
I’ve been a fan for 15 years,hate the scum,but to dance and cheer when the opposition score at your ground.Completely embarrassed,and disappointed with segments of our fan base.TTID
Spurs had top 4 well within their own hands then lost 4/5 games leading up to this game against Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle conceding 13 goals in them 4 games and ange has to take a bit of responsibility for that aswell. Can’t be relying on a win against city and villa to lose to palace to get a top 4 spot after that
Wonder how the Spurs fans will feel missing out on quality players due to Tottenham missing out on Champions League football…. The incentive of playing in Europe is a big draw during the transfer window. Watch these players sign for Villa instead
Bro arsenal being out of the champions league didnt stop partey and white and gabriel and saliba and aubameyang from joining. Same for spurs and van de ven and maddison and porro
This is the biggest myth going. Arsenal finished 8th 2 seasons in a row and were able to build a title challenging squad. Good recruitment > Obvious players that will cost a lot
We’ll see how it all goes down in the summer. At this point Spurs might not only lose UCL but also drop into as low as 7th place. Wonder how good that might feel as a fan after wanting their team to throw a game this late in the season.
@MilesMalcom If in the unlikely event they do drop to 7th I wouldn't put last nights result as the reason. What about the 4 games they lost in a row recently or the random home defeats vs the likes of Wolves? If anything they actually played well against the best team in the league last night so you can't say they threw this game
@@esayem7734 I didn’t say they threw the game a large portion of the Tottenham fanbase wanted them to lose. This is prevalent across all media as well as footage from the game itself. Regardless of the previous losses during the Spurs campaign, they needed this result to stay competitive for 4th place. Spurs did play well in the first half against City, imagine if the fans in the stadium had their back during the second half, they could have pulled away with something but no fans were quiet and complacent. What a bizarre and embarrassing thing to do, this will be remembered for a while Spurs fans.
I agree with you that its good Spurs didn't qualify for the champions league. They aren't good enough for it yet anyway and would have had an early exit. Better for Ange to clear out the players he doesn't need in the summer and see how you do in Europe.
the problem is they have not done things properly and Ange is not to blame for that the ownership are though and do they really care about winning trophies not just making money and the players some of them not playing up to their strengths and skills we see the talent making use of it effectively they already have potential or they would not be playing football
Especially when it’s a petty rivalry, it’s not even an honest rivalry, Spurs fans will never admit that Arsenal is a bigger club and a better side than them😂
This shows the difference between spurs and arsenal, spurs are run as a business whereas arsenal are run well but they put a team together to complete for trophies.
When Americans say: "I could care less!" I always reply (if I agree with the sentiment but not the statement): "Really? You could? ...I couldn't." *Cue confused look only missing a visible buffering symbol*
Hey look as an Aussie I am using Holden (GM) verses Ford at the Bathurst 1000. I never want Ford to win but I never want a Holden driver to take out the Ford drivers. And yes, Ford fans are bragging insufferably for a year as well. Aussies like American's uses that pain and turns it into the fire in the belly, I totally agree with you. I find the part he said about "misreading the conversation" as ominous for the weak within the team. I have been thinking for a few weeks now, Ange is going to get the big sword out this Summer. If he does there will be metaphoric blood in the hallways. And Yes Ange is extremely pissed!
@@daveweller9550 Well I was always a Lowndes fan, so I personally crossed the Rubicon on that one. It was him and the formula that caused me to not see the badges anymore. But back in the 1970's and 80's when they were actually abased upon a motor cars and not a race chassis' I was Holden all the way.
Well mate, I have been Spurs since the 1950s & one should take no heed of the alleged fans or the media at any time as regards soccer, we leave that with the people who actually know something about it. Guess the pair of them can joint the like of politicians & fight it out for lowest of the low.
You need to see it from this view point though - I'm 30 and not seen us won anything of major importance my whole life. I'll take the small victories where possible as it's sometimes all we can get and I won't feel guilty about it
I’m an Arsenal fan & would never ever want my team to lose. If Tottenham was in our position & won it fair & square they would deserve it. It’s pathetic , you needed to win that game to still be in contention for a champions league place. You would rather be less successful than Arsenal win the league.
People wanted us to lose as they can’t handle banter and bragging. It’s like we each sabotage ourselves so that our neighbour doesn’t get a career promotion. Wtf
Luke that´s a very sane fan approach... BUT the thing is that most fans are not mental sane when there is a traditional rivalry against an other club in place. And I also understand that you want see the Spurs in the CL next year BUT to be honest there is nothing to win for the Spurs BUT on the other hand in the Euro League they have chances to win the trophy. And an European trophy is always "a big trophy" for any club And by the way the Euro League Champion then plays against the CL Champion for the UEFA Super Cup in just 1 deciding match = basically "the final of the finals in the current European Cup season". And that Super Cup winner/champion is then actually the "UEFA´s official Best of the current European Cup season" AC Milan + Real Madrid + Barcelona have here the lead = all of those managed to win the UEFA Super Cup 5 times..which is not that often for a over 50 year old Trophy (since 1973). Especially for Real Madrid who won the CL 8 times and 2 times the Euro League = 10 Super Cup participations since the existence of the Super Cup. AC Milan had 6 (as CL champion) and Barcelona 5 (as CL Champion).
It’s not that I want CL that badly to be honest. I just wanted to fight for it. I wanted to end the season in the best possible form and the fan response was jarring to me. I’m not a fan of celebrating losses even if a win could have made next season more challenging
@@lukessportsacademy All I wanted to say that it is no "loss" when at the end of the season Spurs are not under the top 4. "The loss" actually starts being not under the top 6 = no participation at the European Cup season. And of course a team should always give their best in every game. I´m against any form of competitive distortion as well.
I understand Ange's frustration with fans who wanted Spurs to lose to Man City, but he needs to understand that we have been starved of trophies since ENIC took over Spurs. We have only won one League Cup since 2001. Every year, Levy has been making promises to build a strong team that can compete for the league title. Our best player, Harry Kane, left the club because Levy didn't sign quality players to play alongside him. We, the fans, remain loyal to our beloved club. Managers may come and go; there's no loyalty, that's the norm. Who knows, one day Ange may manage our fiercest rival, Arsenal. Stop making unnecessary comments about us, the loyal fans, Ange. Do your job, we will give you the time you need, and we hope you do well and give us the success we've been craving for. The truth of the matter is that we are not winning any trophies under the management of ENIC & Levy. We will always be good at managing our finances, but the footballing side will be unsuccessful. We will continue hiring great managers, and they will come and they will go. The fans will always remain loyal no matter what happens. We love our club a lot.
Ange is absolutely right but also the media has poisoned the whole thing by their leading questions. It's frankly disrespectful how they've been acting. Here's hoping he'll stay because I'm not sure I would and I'am a spurs-fan.
Agree with your sentiments. As an Australian EPL follower, I find the TOT-ARS rivalry topic to be tiresome at best; and toxic at worse. Nevertheless, the rantings of rivalry-obsessed fans can and should be ignored. Players or club employees with the same problem, if indeed there are any (and I have seen no evidence of it) would be more of a problem. Regardless, Ange getting so angry and agitated in public, although justified, is likely not going to be helpful. The situation is handled more effectively using humour (as Ange did with the "zero bragging rights trophies in the cabinet" comment in the presser).
I think the issue here Tottenham fans are content to be an also-ran which I think was understandable before they move stadium. The problem is they are stuck, and have become synonymous with grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. The fans need to look around and realise their infrastructure is built to Win all competitions they should not be merely content with denying their rivals. I understand Postecoglou's frustration he was so close to 3 pts but fans were more focused on breaking Gooner hearts, In his position my target would be 114 pts every year and my work would be on closing the margins to that goal. I'd be so frustrated working out how to improve the margins so the ball gets past Ortega next time, that to hear my alleged supporters celebrating that by losing we'd blocked our rivals would make my blood boil.
im conflicted, im a spurs fan, I dont want arsenal to win, I also want our players to succeed. I think none of the spurs fans would be upset with win against man city. They only started singing about arsenal really after the 2nd goal went in. It was clear we weren't going to win at that point. Ange put mikey moore in, he knew the game was out of reach to. You dont put a 16 year old on when you think you still have a chance to win. If put in the EXACT SAME POSITION, arsenal fans would think/do the same. So whatever they say means nothing. This game should have been played months ago and if it had we wouldn't even be talking about this.
As a fan of some sixty years. I do have a preference on what teams I like, what managers I like etc. Spurs has always been my team and my overriding wish has always been that they play well and not be involved in these gutless performances that they are very prone too. Win lose or draw, put in an entertaining effort at least which I think that they did against City last night unlike the dog shit performance they produced against Chelsea. With regards to Arsenal competing for top spot, good luck to them as they fully deserve to be there with the performances and the infrastructure they’ve put in place. You can’t have bragging rights and rivalries when there is such a mismatch in quality and why anyway put so much effort into hating something that means nothing anyway. I’m with Ange and give “Zero” shits on anything else other than Spurs. Good luck Cobber on breaking down the fragility within my club.
I would say City winning is the last thing the world needs but I guess some people really prefer watching the same team win the league over and over again 🤷🏼
@@benjaminbronnimann3966 i'm guessing you never grew up around arsenal fans. city are irrelevant. if they win it makes the news for 1 day and everyone forgets about it.
I have supported Spurs for 62 years. The Arsenal rivalry should be no more than light hearted banter. The moment it takes over your life and is more important than anything else you need mental help.
Yet again another comment way way over the top, who draws the banter line ? you ? who scrapes the barrell saying they need mental help ! wtf ????😆🤣
@TooDarnSoulful When you cheer for opponents and the failings of rivals at the detriment of your own club's success, I think you've taken a quantum leap over the 'banter line'. You've got 3 managers telling you that the small mindset at Spurs is unparalleled to anything they've seen in their careers, yet you don't think the club is a disgrace? Fans happy to throw away a chance at UCL football if it means a rival doesn't succeed. Misery loves company and this club is miserable indeed.
I-I don’t think anyone thinks like that but ok
I have been a fan also for 62 years I think exactly the same
Spurs and fans ( some ) are a fucking disgrace, that's why you'll never attract world class players or win the league !!! Disgusting
As Spurs fan myself, I want Arsenal to be challenging for the title and going toe to toe with them. To use the rivalry to drag each other to the top. Our fans want the rivalry to be based on who's the bigger loser, fact is we're 23 points behind them, they're title challengers and we're also-rans, that does not make me happy.
Big salute to you for speaking with sense. As a Madrid fan, Ange has the correct mentality and the fans need to change theirs
Tottenham don’t deserve a WINNER like BIG ANGE.. He’s earned my respect big up
ok mayte he just lost 5 in 6 fucking about with high lines
lol
@@joefurlong5252 dude so true, where was the passion in the previous games maybe if we had got at least a couple points outta them but we didn’t and now he spits his dummy out fuck that shit.
A WINNER? Impostercoglu's form for 3/4 of the season has been 10th place with a good group of players for most of those games, and he got knocked out of both cups in the 1st and second games. He's a good little league manager who is coming up massively short at this level.
In the top FIFTEEN of the league table only chelsea, bournemouth, west ham and wolves have conceded more goals to ange and even then, Ange dropped 6 points to chelsea, 5 points to west ham and 6 points to wolves from those 4.
Ange is a pound shop pochettino...
From Aussie: I like your comments & you are right,.... Spurs cannot see it,.... singing inside the Stadium supporting another Team is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!..... Ange walked away from the Australian Manager's Job (he went to Japan) when he got them qualified for the WP, the Aust Football Administration didn't have the vision Ange had, they were happy to 'just to qualify', Ange had aims beyond that,.... Spurs should be careful, he will leave!
Lighten up MOST football chants are tongue in cheek !!
Who gives a fuck if you are from China , Australia or anywhere else?
@@TooDarnSoulfulimagine putting your body on the line as a player just to see your supporters sing and cheer when the opposition scores. It may well be banter but that's destructive to the core of the team.
@@jpdprophotography6693 It was banter and this reaction from Ange was way over the top !
Don’t sit in your room in america, and slag the Spurs fans off they have supported the team through thick and thin this season whilst watching some c**p games . So dumb down your comments on the Spurs supporters.
Ange has been a part of one of the biggest rivalry’s in the world with Celtic and didn’t have to put up with this sorta stuff.
This is honestly really really disheartening. Seems we hate our rivals more than we love our club. We had a slim chance at winning 4th, I want my team to fight, claw, and bleed out on the pitch to win that spot, and if we don’t succeed and Arsenal wins because of us, so be it. At least we played with all our strength to win 4th.
yeah, but they won everything so there wasn't really a chance for it
Because they won, it doesn't take a genius.
Yeah behave. I asked celtic fans about this they said they would do the same as us
@@bkkrxx Yes, Celtic sensibly have a rivalry with a team that's on their level, unlike Tottenham
Luke I agree with you, We had a lot of Spurs fans calling the radio stations that they are happy because the loss stopped Arsenal to win the league. Like you Luke I am one of minority of fans that thought it was embarssing that we are more concered at stopping Arsenal than what our own team does to win trophies. I just dont like my team losing full stop, Happy happy for what, , I am relieved Arsenal wont win the title because they are annoying you can hear them in the street.
The journalists needling him with different versions of the same question is even more annoying.
the guy is a winner. Respect.
I have been following Ange for over 20 years now and enjoy the journey with him as he hops from Club to Club bringing success wherever he goes. Strictly speaking Ange would have preferred to start in the Premier League at a lesser Club than Spurs to give him more time and experience to acclimatise at this level. When the Offer came from Spurs he couldn't pass it up so he entered in at the deep end from the word GO .
I think under the circumstances he has held up really well in his 1st year. However under Ange,s own standard he has
under achieved this year. Ange is a Fighter and a Spartan. Spartans only know Victory or Death. It's a shame Kane
didn't stay at Spurs, he may have made a big difference to the outcome this year. Look at the Fiasco he ended up in at Bayern this year. They have grossly under performed after hastily sacking Oliver Khan who was still acclimatising
in his new position there.
Regardless of what has transpired so far Ange,s second year at any new club is his BIG ONE ! You can be sure he will
pull out all stops imaginable at Spurs with an Iron Will. Winning the Title will be his goal. Anything less than that will be
unacceptable. It's going to be an exciting year for Spurs next season.Ange will be relentless to achieve for Spurs.
That's how you can tell a small club from a big one. I don't really care about Spurs but I really like Ange and I hope things work out for him. This reminds me of Comte's rant back in the day.
Its not though , youre just mad cause youd do the same if it were the other way around and thats facts. Its easier said than done
@@aryan-yi7nc ahaha facts hahahaha you don't even knownme or what team i suport, the internet is full of crazy people
@@jonnyso1you don’t support anyone. You don’t understand the simplest of concepts when it comes to English football.
@@N17Stu ahaha you don't have a clue mate, wathever you're projecting in your head it aint it.
@@jonnyso1 where are you from and who do you support
We tried to warn you about Spurs Luke. Ah well.
WE?
@@Bertie22222 yes, we. It means "myself and others".
@@101RadioheadCovers How many people do you speak for these days?
Loooove these videos!!!! Im a lifetime neutral becoming a Spurs fan since Ange. Really cool to see you share the same perspective
As Chelsea fan, I am super happy with the result, buttt if chelsea playing in the spurs condition, absolutely I will support Chelsea to win the game, just because I grew up with Chelsea team that have winning mentality, want to win every match as possible
To be fair, Ange tactic vs Man City worked really well, if only Spurs had better frontline, maybe Spurs wont lose. Big respect for Ange
As an Aussie who has loved and supported Spurs for many years, here on the other side of the world, I have never understood the unhealthy obsession and hyper focus on our rivalry with Arsenal. It is an absolute distraction and unproductive practice. I 100% agree with Big Ange, he gets it, he understands the ideas and behaviour of players and fans that win things. He is trying to better a culture at Spurs and show these toxic ideas are killing them from within. Some people are just not open minded enough to see how silly it is.
It hurts me to see our team lose, but I keep getting up at all hours of the morning to watch the games because I love Spurs.
Boys i guarantee you, Ange had all his players picked out 6 months ago. He know exactly who he wants by now, only thing stopping you from success now is Levy and Levy alone.
anges heart must be ripping. you can tell he is truley disgusted with the spurs fans. to come from celtic, the best fans in the world. to this? entitled, deluded and non loyal fans like spurs fans? id be done with this by now. spurs never deserved you big ange. let the club rot seriously. how many mangers and good managers have tried and failed. its clear ange is onto something here.
Im not a fan of any of those club but what i can tell you is that these kind of "rivalry" is not exactly on a sporting perspective. The derbys are teams located in the same city so the fan bases live with each other and constantly meet their neighbours who support a team you dont like and will on a daily basis poison your atmosphere when your team is performing poorly or will boast about how good of a team they got.
And seeing how bad arsenal fanbase look like in terms of delusion and pettiness no wonder this rivalry grew so much . Imaging those spurs fan having to live with the fact that arsenal have won the league for the next decades or so you will hear about it!
Delusions of what? Arsenal have 13 titles and Spurs have 2. They should focus on winning instead of what Arsenal is doing. Wanting to lose just so your rivals dont get an advantage is pathetic behaviour no matter the rivalry.
@@JMalikZ not taking away anything from arsenal as a club
I like the club and the history just not the fan base lol mainly due to aftv
As an Arsenal fan I can tell you I couldn't care less about Spurs. My rivals are United, Liverpool. Those are the games we look for. And as of recent we just needed to deal with City and Chelsea but there isn't rivalry there.
Keep telling ur self that
Please, keep telling yourself that. Yes, there is a rivalry indeed, especially with United, but those two teams don't consider you their main rivals. You guys even have a celebration on the day that you are finish above Tottenham in the league. Saint Totteringham's day. It pained you much when for seven seasons Tottenham finished above you straight. No CL football during that time while Spurs were regularly going and Liverpool always went. And you come here and say they are not your arch rivals. Get real...
You're a Gooner and couldn't care less about Spurs ? Laughable.
And yet here you are replying to a random vid about Spurs
@@Lillywhite What ?
As an arsenal fan i would say the exact same thing if spurs was about to win the league. And its not because i hate them more than i like us. But winning the premier league these days is unbelievable,and the amount of banter arsenal fans have endured over the past 20 years have been unbearable, so everyone in london is trying so hard for arsenal not to win the league, because they know their summer is ruined no matter how good their own team plays. Top 4 can be easily achieved next season with some more players
Grow up.
In 2019 arsenal fans said they would lose the Europa league final if it means spurs losing the champions League final it goes both ways he doesn't understand the rivalry. Kieron
I 99.99999% agree with you Luke; the only thing I will pull you up on is at 10.33...No! You COULDN'T care less. If you could care less then there is less caring you could do. That aside, some of our fanbase are a joke and should have an asterisks by the term Spurs fan
*😅 appreciate you 👍🏼
This is just an Americanism. If you react to everything that Americans say that isn't accurate to standard English (current English as spoken by the English) then that would be your full time job. Regardless of their phrasing, we in the UK almost always understand the Americans, the reverse is not always true. I agree with both of you re Spurs, not that my opinion matters to you guys - I'm an LFC fan. PS Careful with that asterisk talk! Some people put one next to our only PL title. 😂😜🤣
If Spurs helped Arsenal win the league their fans would never hear the end of it, it will haunt them for eternity. I'm sorry but Spurs losing was the best result for their fans, its not like they are going to win the champions league whilst they do have a decent chance at europa
I'm not sure you understand what a monumental achievement it is to win the Premier League these days against the unstoppable behemoth that is Pep Guardiola's Manchester City. Since he joined in 2016, only 2 teams have managed to beat them. Antonio Conte's Chelsea in 16/17, when Pep had just arrived and was still rebuilding, and Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool in 19/20, when City were riddled with injuries and the entire world was disrupted by covid and lockdowns. If Arsenal were to beat them after 20 years without a Premier League title, the celebrations would be historic. And if that had happened thanks to a Spurs victory over City, it would be instantly immortalized as an iconic moment in the rivalry. Spurs getting top 4 would be good for them for 1 season and then quickly forgotten. Arsenal winning the league thanks to Spurs would be incredible always and remembered forever.
Absolutely well said brother! I’m so over this ‘rivalry’ thing. As Ange said, we just want to win and we don’t care about anything else! I just subscribed to your channel all the way from Melbourne Australia! Keep up the great content mate!
From a spurs fan who wanted the loss, celebrating it was too far imo. I wasn't celebrating when we lost, but I was relieved. What I think a lot of other fans need to understand it we have it hard as spurs fans. Always in our rival's shadow, constantly hated on by several other clubs. If we had got top 4, relying on villa to not lose to palace which is very unlikely (they need a mere draw), we would most likely get grouped or knocked out in the RO16. In 10 years time, ppl wont remember us getting top 4 when we bomb out the next season, they'll remember their biggest [and still] trophyless rivals aiding their rivals in winning it.
I'm a fairly recent fan too, maybe we don't understand the history and the rivalry like the fans who have been there since they were born, but who cares. Ange is trying to build a team with a winning mentality. Their style of football this year pulled me in, but week in week out we see negative fans saying we're going to lose before we even kick a ball. We may lose, we may get thrashed by one of the big teams, but there has to be belief otherwise whats the point? COYS!
Ange just wants to win. He clearly wants success above all else.
Jamie o'Hara, a former Spurs player and commentator at talksport, wore a man city shirt for his after game show. What a symbol of the disgraceful section of the spurs fanbase. Actually disgusting.
As an Arsenal fan, yes we're rivals, but we should all just focus on what we're doing, to be fair to Spurs, they did try, but like you said Luke, it's Man City, we all know what Man City are, Spurs fans hoping they lose so Arsenal don't win the league is an extremely small club mentality
The real issue isn't so much the players or ange but the fans. When you cheer louder cause you're happy you're losing that's a problem
@JNics23 I agree, like I said, in fairness to the players and Ange, they can't be accused of not giving it a go
100% correct - as a Spurs fan I want Spurs to win every game. Focusing on a rival (Arsenal) losing is ridiculous - people that think like this will never achieve anything.
@elastotec173 I agree, focusing on what others are doing is a stupid mentality to have, you focus on your club, and try and win as much as possible, like I said fair play to Ange and the players, they gave it an honest try
Y'all gotta stop with this bs lmao. You KNOW FOR A FACT if it was the opposite you would not want to help Spurs win the league. You would happily take a year of europa.
As an Aussie I have followed Ange everywhere he has been. He is a serial winner when given time to get his players and implement his style.. He will not keep players who wont buy in completely no matter what the reputation. I fee from past experience there is a clean out about to take place. Ange will not tolerate fools and people who wont work hard consistently. I may be wrong but I think a couple of boys from Celtic will be on his radar. Kyogo, Alastair Johnston and Reo Hatate. Reo is also mates with Mitoma from Brighton.
Ange said himself “top 4 isn’t a prize”. So if he wants to downplay the importance of it, then he can’t complain if the fans aren’t bothered by it either! And I don’t even support Spurs…but he’s being hypocritical
You have to understand, this spurs team would have forever been known (and ridiculed) as the team who gifted their biggest rivals a first league title in 20 years if they’d taken points off city. Some spurs fans would have never forgiven Postecoglou for it. That’s how deep this goes.
The league is won over 38 games so think about what you are saying it makes no sense.Teams should not be throwing games and fans should not be wanting their team to lose
@@tommckenna4633and postecoglu gave arsenal 4 of those points.
Ange should walk, his mentality will NEVER be translated into the Spurs. Losing is ingrained into the spurs mentality and will never be fixed because thats just who Spurs are. He needs to go somewhere with ambition because clearly, Spurs fans don't give a shit about success, they only care about banter.
This is the club you chose to support. Small club mentality, it’s a shame but it wont change for a long long time.
Listening to your podcast- Ange needs to install vindication on the scoring opportunities- Peps team and the gunners currently have it - as a Liverpool man we still have it - it will will come !!
The malaise at the club runs too deep. Ange won't change anything..
football rivalry is what makes football so big, NO SPUR FAN WANTS ARSENAL WINNING THE LEAGUE, its that simple, so the defeat today is no big deal
Sad mindset. Celebrating others' downfall shouldn't be a part of any sport. Get good and celebrate your own wins instead.
LMAO, lay down the red carpet for another team to win the league and being happy your team pretty much sacrificed guaranteed champions league football is an awful mentality to have.
And this is exactly why spurs will never be a serious club and progress, tinpot team.
Shit take.
I’ve been a Spurs fan since the late 90s and I know damn well that there ain’t no trophy for losing to City.
It's people like you who are part of the problem. "The defeat today is no big deal". Of course it is!! Every time those players put on OUR shirt and OUR badge, they should be putting their lives on the line. I'm past caring about Woolwich do when we can't get over the line ourselves for or own bragging rights. We used to celebrate trophies, in the last decade and a half, what have we celebrated? Oh yeah, no St. Tottrings day(or whatever they call it) and now losing to City. Joke
@@CheriTheBeryNot really, almost every fan shares this opinion, if we are not doing well we don't want our rival doing well either, it is petty but this is how football is and always was
What makes Lukes' stream and others like his, is that, we are not the Main Stream Media, who are evil shit stirrers. I love Lukes' take on Football. Good Job Luke.❤
I'm Arsenal through and through but I'd never want my team to lose in order for Spurs to win, ìf they got there like we are over the course of the season then they are rightfully the better team.
Here is the thing. Im an Arsenal supporter, been that for over 25 years or so. I do get the rivalry between our teams and I would also not want Sp*rs to win anything and if that made us not get CL one year, sure, we have to lose so you guys dont see any trophies, BUT the issue is that the supporters were to much that day. Screaming at Ange and telling him to lose the game and all that was in my opinion over the line from a supporter stand of point. Ange do not understand this rivalry., this has been there long before Ange was even born. This rivalry are bigger that managers, players, owners and so on, but the behavior from the Sp*rs supporters were the issue.
As an American fan we don't expect you to understand the rivalry.
You won't have friends and family who are Arsenal fans - you wouldn't understand how us handing the title to Arsenal would affect Spurs fans living over here.
I don't respect the Spurs fans who cheered the City goals or did the Posnan in the stadium.
But it's completely understandable that fans would be in 2 minds about the game the other night.
Most rival fans would do the same if it was their city rival in the same situation.
Jamie Carragher is the one pundit who was honest about the situation and said Spurs fans are completely understandable with their reactions and thoughts about the game.
He's right to be angry with the fans who cheered the goals in the stadium, but it was an absolute minority of fans.
On point mate.
Too true.
Lets just try and win our games and thats it......
I won't be surprised if he resigns and if the fans wanted us to lose it is their fault.
Why go to the match and want us to lose?🤷🏻♂️
You need to make an important distinction between the team and the fans. The team (most of them) did not grow up as spurs fans and do not have the same hatred of Arsenal as the fans. This is the same with Ange.
Welcome to the dark, toxic side of football fan and supporter culture. You've only seen the beauty of the beautiful game, with diehard supporters that will stick by their teams no matter what. While that is positive, there is always a negative and you've just been introduced to it especially the deep seated almost like its in your DNA type of rivalries.
He’s been part of Celtic-Rangers rivalry so dont tell me he doesn’t know what rivalry means but hoping your team loses? That is just pathetic.
I agree, .maybe it's being far away from what's happening but I realistically understand his frustration. That 25% wanting a loss, players shouting at the bench, Look at Jedinak and his face turning around in disgust
Not a spurs fan or an arsenal fan or a fan of any prem team tbh but i understand the history. This loss while embarrassing was definitely better than the alternative. Spurs are enough of a joke, imagine if they won arsenal the league. Imo you need to look into the history more, theres a reason these fans feel this way. Just my 2 cents
If Villa had lost on Monday I maybe could of dealt with us beating City
It was embarrassing to see Spurs fans celebrating after City score, huge club with a small club mentality.
They have to give Ange what he wants in the summer to boost the depth of the squad.
5th in the league, just a couple of results off CL football in his first season playing arguably the most expansive football in the whole league.
A lot of Spurs fans were moaning about the dull football under Conte and Mourinho, what do they want?!
If they next couple of years go well for Spurs I can see him as a potential replacement for Pep at City. He fits the mould tactically.
Could not agree with you more, Luke. The fans have let the team and Ange down
Losing 12 games let the fans down. That's what cost us Champions League.
@@marpop99exactly. Where was ange when we got battered by Newcastle Fulham and Villa? Why did he let arsenal go 3 up with a whimper. Why was he resting the whole team in a cup game when all he apparently wants to do is win trophies? He and his team killed the season for me by losing Newcastle. Then I was desperate for us to beat arsenal and they did that and now he wants to blame the fans? The cheek of it.
Luke, you need to see that a few years ago when Arsenal won the FA Cup, the players had a parade and when given a mic to address the crowd, the words were "What are Tottenham?" (the fans all chant "sh*t"). "What is sh*t?" (fans chant Tottenham). Rivalries are deeply personal and part of every day life. It is not like US sports. It is like bad neighbours, school bullies, etc. They hate you and you hate them. Real, genuine hate.
That does not matter So because of that stupid thing we have to be childish! GIVE ME A BREAK
@@chrishalious8194 Obviously not from Europe.
I can understand spurs fans secretly wanting to lose this singular game given the unique circumstances surrounding it but some of their behavior has been absolutely shocking lmao
Slow you role, the last TWO coaches for Tot… suggested and said simular things before they were gotten rid of.
Agree with pretty much everything you and Ange have said here except for one thing, Ange isn’t the first manager to identify this weak culture/mentally issue at Spurs. Mourinho hinted at it and Conte went absolutely in on it. If you think this interview was bad you need to see Conte’s from last season dude went on a legendary rant
He is a good coach
For Me as a fan I have to say whilst I wasn’t cheering us on to lose but have to be honest I did approach it as a
Win-win type game .
We Win great !
We lose well…. it’s a big blow to Arsenal deep in the guts and that’s a win of sorts .
If people don’t get that well … then they don’t know .
At every opportunity Arsenal fans call us Sh-t , win nothing , spursy and so on .
Mind you all this from a team that hasn’t won the league in 20years like there some sort of perennial winners 🙄
Relieved that you haven't got champions league football? Wow you really have become a real spurs fan lmao
To quote Hot Fuzz "For the greater good"
Maybe if we hadn’t lost 4 in a row we’d still have something to play for.
You maybe a new supporter to the club, but your views were I feel spot on. As someone who has supported Spurs for over 65 years, it’s about our club winning, not Arsenal!
I am ENGLISH, despite this name but tell this to any Scottish person who has had to endure, us English, continually, mentioning our World Cup win, especially in the Late 1960s/1970s/1980's and you live in the same area and attend the same places as hans of your rivals. Spurs fans might prefer an easier ride in The Europa Cup with THIS team who would be eliminated early in The Champions League ..
Then if Spurs won,their fans would,endlessly,be "thanked" for handing the title to their rivals.
Exactly, and the thing is that these people get it but they are too salty that they arent going to win the title to admit it
Not having CL is worse because now you have a Thursday night distraction.. Europe League is worse to be in than CL at least people care about the CL
You are right but it's sad because when The Europa was The Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup, fans did not just care about the supreme trophy.
Newcastle winning The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (b4 YEFA Cup) went crazy when 60,000 saw them win it 3/0 at St James's Park.
You’re obviously a new fan but this is certainly not the first manager to point this out, José spelled it out pretty clear.
I think you’re a little optimistic over Ange transforming the mentality of the club, this happens time and time again where the manager at Spurs realised there’s a ceiling and later that the board will not support their ambitions, the disruption spills into the performances on the pitch and shortly after they leave.
Seen it with Mourinho, Conte, Poch and now it’s starting to follow the pattern with Ange
Sorry I find it hard to believe if Jose Mourinho can't do it, Mauricio Pochettino can't do it, Conte can't do it, Ange can't do it. He is just realizing he has his work cut out for him.
It's a small club mindset. The last three managers have spoken on the fan and club mentaility, I don't believe Spurs win anything until they get it sorted and change the culture around the club.
Ange and the players need to concentrate on beating Wolves at home or not being total no-shows at Fulham just after grabbing control of 4th by beating Villa away.
Those same fans gave him and players an ovation after losing badly to Chelsea earlier this season.
I love that sound effect. Brilliant! Good work.
I’ve been a fan for 15 years,hate the scum,but to dance and cheer when the opposition score at your ground.Completely embarrassed,and disappointed with segments of our fan base.TTID
Spurs had top 4 well within their own hands then lost 4/5 games leading up to this game against Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle conceding 13 goals in them 4 games and ange has to take a bit of responsibility for that aswell. Can’t be relying on a win against city and villa to lose to palace to get a top 4 spot after that
Wonder how the Spurs fans will feel missing out on quality players due to Tottenham missing out on Champions League football…. The incentive of playing in Europe is a big draw during the transfer window. Watch these players sign for Villa instead
Bro arsenal being out of the champions league didnt stop partey and white and gabriel and saliba and aubameyang from joining. Same for spurs and van de ven and maddison and porro
This is the biggest myth going. Arsenal finished 8th 2 seasons in a row and were able to build a title challenging squad. Good recruitment > Obvious players that will cost a lot
We’ll see how it all goes down in the summer. At this point Spurs might not only lose UCL but also drop into as low as 7th place. Wonder how good that might feel as a fan after wanting their team to throw a game this late in the season.
@MilesMalcom If in the unlikely event they do drop to 7th I wouldn't put last nights result as the reason. What about the 4 games they lost in a row recently or the random home defeats vs the likes of Wolves? If anything they actually played well against the best team in the league last night so you can't say they threw this game
@@esayem7734 I didn’t say they threw the game a large portion of the Tottenham fanbase wanted them to lose. This is prevalent across all media as well as footage from the game itself. Regardless of the previous losses during the Spurs campaign, they needed this result to stay competitive for 4th place.
Spurs did play well in the first half against City, imagine if the fans in the stadium had their back during the second half, they could have pulled away with something but no fans were quiet and complacent. What a bizarre and embarrassing thing to do, this will be remembered for a while Spurs fans.
I agree with you that its good Spurs didn't qualify for the champions league. They aren't good enough for it yet anyway and would have had an early exit. Better for Ange to clear out the players he doesn't need in the summer and see how you do in Europe.
the problem is they have not done things properly and Ange is not to blame for that the ownership are though and do they really care about winning trophies not just making money and the players some of them not playing up to their strengths and skills we see the talent making use of it effectively they already have potential or they would not be playing football
And Arsenal - Tottenham is not even a really hardcore rivalry compared to the ones in most other countries 😂
Especially when it’s a petty rivalry, it’s not even an honest rivalry, Spurs fans will never admit that Arsenal is a bigger club and a better side than them😂
Spurs fans do admit that Arsenal is the bigger and more successful club. It pains Arsenal greatly when Tottenham finish above them.
This shows the difference between spurs and arsenal, spurs are run as a business whereas arsenal are run well but they put a team together to complete for trophies.
Gives me flashbacks of the responses Klopp would have when rebuilding the Liverpool culture during his early tenure.
When Americans say: "I could care less!"
I always reply (if I agree with the sentiment but not the statement): "Really? You could? ...I couldn't."
*Cue confused look only missing a visible buffering symbol*
Hey look as an Aussie I am using Holden (GM) verses Ford at the Bathurst 1000. I never want Ford to win but I never want a Holden driver to take out the Ford drivers. And yes, Ford fans are bragging insufferably for a year as well. Aussies like American's uses that pain and turns it into the fire in the belly, I totally agree with you. I find the part he said about "misreading the conversation" as ominous for the weak within the team. I have been thinking for a few weeks now, Ange is going to get the big sword out this Summer. If he does there will be metaphoric blood in the hallways. And Yes Ange is extremely pissed!
Like Rick Kelly did to Lowndes at the last round in Philip island
@@daveweller9550 Well I was always a Lowndes fan, so I personally crossed the Rubicon on that one. It was him and the formula that caused me to not see the badges anymore. But back in the 1970's and 80's when they were actually abased upon a motor cars and not a race chassis' I was Holden all the way.
Ange leave this so called football club before it destroys you. Such a successful Club !!! 😂😅😂😂😂
Spurs sacrifice will be wasted when Bowen scores a hat trick😂😂😂
Well mate, I have been Spurs since the 1950s & one should take no heed of the alleged fans or the media at any time as regards soccer, we leave that with the people who actually know something about it. Guess the pair of them can joint the like of politicians & fight it out for lowest of the low.
You need to see it from this view point though - I'm 30 and not seen us won anything of major importance my whole life. I'll take the small victories where possible as it's sometimes all we can get and I won't feel guilty about it
I’m an Arsenal fan & would never ever want my team to lose. If Tottenham was in our position & won it fair & square they would deserve it. It’s pathetic , you needed to win that game to still be in contention for a champions league place. You would rather be less successful than Arsenal win the league.
Surely it is Angs judgement not your judgement we should be supporting . Without question this team is good enough for the Champions League.
Mourinho tried, Conte tried, let's see if Ange finally succeeds
I think Ange has finally realised how big the task is, the club is rotten I tell ya!
People wanted us to lose as they can’t handle banter and bragging. It’s like we each sabotage ourselves so that our neighbour doesn’t get a career promotion. Wtf
Luke
that´s a very sane fan approach...
BUT the thing is that most fans are not mental sane when there is a traditional rivalry against an other club in place.
And I also understand that you want see the Spurs in the CL next year BUT to be honest there is nothing to win for the Spurs BUT on the other hand in the Euro League they have chances to win the trophy.
And an European trophy is always "a big trophy" for any club
And by the way the Euro League Champion then plays against the CL Champion for the UEFA Super Cup in just 1 deciding match = basically "the final of the finals in the current European Cup season".
And that Super Cup winner/champion is then actually the "UEFA´s official Best of the current European Cup season"
AC Milan + Real Madrid + Barcelona have here the lead = all of those managed to win the UEFA Super Cup 5 times..which is not that often for a over 50 year old Trophy (since 1973).
Especially for Real Madrid who won the CL 8 times and 2 times the Euro League = 10 Super Cup participations since the existence of the Super Cup. AC Milan had 6 (as CL champion) and Barcelona 5 (as CL Champion).
It’s not that I want CL that badly to be honest. I just wanted to fight for it. I wanted to end the season in the best possible form and the fan response was jarring to me. I’m not a fan of celebrating losses even if a win could have made next season more challenging
@@lukessportsacademy All I wanted to say that it is no "loss" when at the end of the season Spurs are not under the top 4.
"The loss" actually starts being not under the top 6 = no participation at the European Cup season.
And of course a team should always give their best in every game. I´m against any form of competitive distortion as well.
I understand Ange's frustration with fans who wanted Spurs to lose to Man City, but he needs to understand that we have been starved of trophies since ENIC took over Spurs. We have only won one League Cup since 2001. Every year, Levy has been making promises to build a strong team that can compete for the league title. Our best player, Harry Kane, left the club because Levy didn't sign quality players to play alongside him. We, the fans, remain loyal to our beloved club. Managers may come and go; there's no loyalty, that's the norm. Who knows, one day Ange may manage our fiercest rival, Arsenal. Stop making unnecessary comments about us, the loyal fans, Ange. Do your job, we will give you the time you need, and we hope you do well and give us the success we've been craving for.
The truth of the matter is that we are not winning any trophies under the management of ENIC & Levy. We will always be good at managing our finances, but the footballing side will be unsuccessful. We will continue hiring great managers, and they will come and they will go. The fans will always remain loyal no matter what happens. We love our club a lot.
I really don’t think it was just Spurs fans. Any money the guy that got kicked out was a gooner. Just to stir up the situation.
As a neutral I have no opinion on this, but I love seeing Luke fully invested and having strong views on football. Banger content.
All in for that summer overhaul!! And I believe we can win the Europa league more than the champions league, so a win is a win in some way
Ange is absolutely right but also the media has poisoned the whole thing by their leading questions. It's frankly disrespectful how they've been acting. Here's hoping he'll stay because I'm not sure I would and I'am a spurs-fan.
If they win that they probably get 4th. Crazy that the fans would rather lose than win.
Agree with your sentiments. As an Australian EPL follower, I find the TOT-ARS rivalry topic to be tiresome at best; and toxic at worse. Nevertheless, the rantings of rivalry-obsessed fans can and should be ignored. Players or club employees with the same problem, if indeed there are any (and I have seen no evidence of it) would be more of a problem. Regardless, Ange getting so angry and agitated in public, although justified, is likely not going to be helpful. The situation is handled more effectively using humour (as Ange did with the "zero bragging rights trophies in the cabinet" comment in the presser).
Well, we didn't just emerge this way. This club has fucked with us for years.
I think the issue here Tottenham fans are content to be an also-ran which I think was understandable before they move stadium. The problem is they are stuck, and have become synonymous with grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. The fans need to look around and realise their infrastructure is built to Win all competitions they should not be merely content with denying their rivals. I understand Postecoglou's frustration he was so close to 3 pts but fans were more focused on breaking Gooner hearts, In his position my target would be 114 pts every year and my work would be on closing the margins to that goal. I'd be so frustrated working out how to improve the margins so the ball gets past Ortega next time, that to hear my alleged supporters celebrating that by losing we'd blocked our rivals would make my blood boil.
im conflicted, im a spurs fan, I dont want arsenal to win, I also want our players to succeed. I think none of the spurs fans would be upset with win against man city. They only started singing about arsenal really after the 2nd goal went in. It was clear we weren't going to win at that point. Ange put mikey moore in, he knew the game was out of reach to. You dont put a 16 year old on when you think you still have a chance to win. If put in the EXACT SAME POSITION, arsenal fans would think/do the same. So whatever they say means nothing. This game should have been played months ago and if it had we wouldn't even be talking about this.
As a fan of some sixty years. I do have a preference on what teams I like, what managers I like etc. Spurs has always been my team and my overriding wish has always been that they play well and not be involved in these gutless performances that they are very prone too. Win lose or draw, put in an entertaining effort at least which I think that they did against City last night unlike the dog shit performance they produced against Chelsea.
With regards to Arsenal competing for top spot, good luck to them as they fully deserve to be there with the performances and the infrastructure they’ve put in place. You can’t have bragging rights and rivalries when there is such a mismatch in quality and why anyway put so much effort into hating something that means nothing anyway. I’m with Ange and give “Zero” shits on anything else other than Spurs. Good luck Cobber on breaking down the fragility within my club.
Lol, Ange should have gone to Brighton when he had the chance
not an arsenal or spurs fan but believe me arsenal winning the league is the last thing the world needs. we're dealing with enough problems as it is
I would say City winning is the last thing the world needs but I guess some people really prefer watching the same team win the league over and over again 🤷🏼
@@benjaminbronnimann3966 i'm guessing you never grew up around arsenal fans. city are irrelevant. if they win it makes the news for 1 day and everyone forgets about it.